★ BQT & IOU - Bounty reward distribution issue has been solved ★

[Lucius]

EDIT:

The CEO Edward Mandel has responded back to me and discussed the situation. At this stage I don't have much to report back other than they are looking at resolving it.

Interestingly they will try to resolve the situation after you contact them, what they have done so far, hoped that no one will ask where is our hard earned money? I am particularly interested in this case because I promoted them in signature campaign, so some of people who are not get pay for bounty are probably participate via my signature.

Any new information is welcome.

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[xtraelv]

Interestingly they will try to resolve the situation after you contact them, what they have done so far, hoped that no one will ask where is our hard earned money? I am particularly interested in this case because I promoted them in signature campaign, so some of people who are not get pay for bounty are probably participate via my signature.

Any new information is welcome.

I'm currently not home much so a bit slow with the responses. I sent a message to Edward for some clarification but it saved as a draft rather than get sent. (I didn't notice earlier) I re-sent it yesterday so he has not yet had much time to respond.

I know from my previous dealings with them that they are not much on bitcointalk and entrusted their dealing on bitcointalk to a community manager. I found them to be transparent and easy to deal with when I dealt with them when the initial accusations were made towards BQT and IOU

The community manager has not been online since May.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2015835

EDIT:

I haven't paid much attention to BQT or IOU since the last issues so I am still getting familiar with the issues surrounding the signature bounty campaign.

I notice that Zapos second to last post was in October. (Last post about BQT)


http://archive.fo/DH7x2

[Lucius]

I am not sure that bounty manager should be blamed because bounty participants are not paid 11 months after they were promised to get they rewards. There is only a possibility that team BQT&IOU give zapo this task (to pay users), and he is take tokens and disappeared, although it is unlikely option. Signature campaign is paid in full and on time, though it was abruptly interrupted before end.

I can only say that professionals do not behave this way, and if this thread is not started they would never provided any explanation. Maybe you can make a suggestion to their CEO to come to this forum and explain some things?


Does anyone have at least an approximate amount of money they need to pay to bounty participants?

[TalkStar]

I am not sure that bounty manager should be blamed because bounty participants are not paid 11 months after they were promised to get they rewards.

All our doubt will be clear after getting proper explanation from team. As you have seen that xtraelv have already sent an email to team and we should wait until we get their reply.

I can only say that professionals do not behave this way, and if this thread is not started they would never provided any explanation. Maybe you can make a suggestion to their CEO to come to this forum and explain some things?

No way to deny with your thinking about their unprofessional behavior. My only intention was to let others know what actually happens with this two projects campaign participants and i think its visible to everyone now. Hope to find a proper solution for this issue through this thread.

[morvillz7z]

Does anyone have at least an approximate amount of money they need to pay to bounty participants?

I don't know how much exactly are the bounty hunters owed but their bumping service has been paid/renewed as of 27th this month after having a three-week pause. Both announcement threads (BQT and IOU) have around and over 100 pages x20, that's 2000 give or take fake comments each (more than 95%).

That's the first reply after the short break:

BQT is doing so well at the moment. Team has been giving its best to make the platform best in the business. So we need to keep our support stronger towards the project.

From $1.26 on 29th July to $0.09 (as of today). 

[Lucius]

I don't know how much exactly are the bounty hunters owed but their bumping service has been paid/renewed as of 27th this month after having a three-week pause. Both announcement threads (BQT and IOU) have around and over 100 pages x20, that's 2000 give or take fake comments each (more than 95%).

I visit BQT thread, and post about how participants of their bounty did not get pay for they work, but no reply on that post. They just continue to post nonsense posts which just proves that these are paid accounts. Maybe teams reacted on this thread, and that is only show they use suspicious methods for the purpose of promotion.

[The Cryptovator]

aTriz replied today to me, but I don't think he is serious about that matter.

Hello,
Good day,
Please respond on this thread, about BQT & IOU bounty scam

Regards,
Coolcryptovator.

what should I say there?

When you read you will get what you should reply there. By the way when you are going to distribute BQT and IOU bounty stake ?

project owners working on that I believe.

I don't think this is appropriate answers and I am not feeling happy with that answer.

[Bttzed03]

aTriz replied today to me, but I don't think he is serious about that matter.

-snip-

I don't think this is appropriate answers and I am not feeling happy with that answer.

Inappropriate answer or not, aTriz job is done and it is up to the BQT and IOU team to do theirs.
tvplus006, who is a participant in that bounty, also agrees.

[....] The manager does not distribute the token. The manager did his job - counted the tables. This should be done by the project team.

[xtraelv]

aTriz replied today to me, but I don't think he is serious about that matter.

-snip-

I don't think this is appropriate answers and I am not feeling happy with that answer.

Inappropriate answer or not, aTriz job is done and it is up to the BQT and IOU team to do theirs.
tvplus006, who is a participant in that bounty, also agrees.

[....] The manager does not distribute the token. The manager did his job - counted the tables. This should be done by the project team.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2482937.msg51197190#msg51197190
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2482937.msg52306449#msg52306449

It appears other atriz / zapo bounties are late paying out too.


EDIT: atriz / zapo has since contacted BQT and is trying to help them sort out the bounty audit.

It appears he has lost access to some of his accounts related to the bounty.

I've been communicating with Edward who is the BQT CEO and who is working hard with a BQT team member tasked with resolving the issue.

[Lucius]

Inappropriate answer or not, aTriz job is done and it is up to the BQT and IOU team to do theirs.
tvplus006, who is a participant in that bounty, also agrees.

EDIT: atriz / zapo has since contacted BQT and is trying to help them sort out the bounty audit.

It appears he has lost access to some of his accounts related to the bounty.

I've been communicating with Edward who is the BQT CEO and who is working hard with a BQT team member tasked with resolving the issue.

It seems that campaign manager is guilty in this case, he lost some accounts related to the bounty, so it is possible that he did not even send any data to BQT & IOU, and they just ignore bounty participants part of the story.

From atriz / zapo "what should I say there?", to helping BQT team to sort out the bounty audit.

They both reacted just because this thread is open, otherwise no one would ever get 1 cent from this bounty.

[xtraelv]

They both reacted just because this thread is open, otherwise no one would ever get 1 cent from this bounty.

I brought it to their attention when I saw this thread so - yes - the thread has been a positive influence in getting some action. I'm unsure what was done about it prior to this but there certainly has been action on it since. BQT have been quite forthcoming with information to me so I am confident that it will soon be resolved. None of the BQT team that I spoke to is familiar with bitcointalk so they left that task to a professional bounty manager that had been recommended to them.

From reading the Gunbot thread it appears the Gunbot bounty was payable in May 2018 ? which was run by atriz and is only just getting sorted now.(September 2018)

It appears their issues were very similar.

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[The Cryptovator]

I brought it to their attention when I saw this thread so - yes - the thread has been a positive influence in getting some action. I'm unsure what was done about it prior to this but there certainly has been action on it since. BQT have been quite forthcoming with information to me so I am confident that it will soon be resolved. None of the BQT team that I spoke to is familiar with bitcointalk so they left that task to a professional bounty manager that had been recommended to them.

So based on your statement BQT/IOU is positive with bounty stake, falt goes to bounty manager who is acting like irresponsible manager lately. And obviously I trust you personally and your judgment as well. However, I have talked with aTriz and I don't think he have contact with team lately. Since spreadsheet is open for everyone team could distribute themselves or they might hire someone (even you) to distribute bounty stake. So let's wait and see what response come out from manager ?

[xtraelv]

So based on your statement BQT/IOU is positive with bounty stake, falt goes to bounty manager who is acting like irresponsible manager lately. And obviously I trust you personally and your judgment as well.

I've had extensive conversations with the BTQ team. Their focus is on resolving the issue rather than finger pointing and laying blame.

Personally I like that approach - as it is focused on what everyone ultimately wants (getting paid) rather than on something that has already happened.

They have been updating me regularly - which parts of which I post on here.

However, I have talked with aTriz and I don't think he have contact with team lately. ?

I have seen screenshots of the recent conversation with atriz.

Since spreadsheet is open for everyone team could distribute themselves or they might hire someone (even you) to distribute bounty stake. So let's wait and see what response come out from manager ?

They have someone that was tasked with the bounty audit and I have seen the spreadsheet. I have offered to post communication on their behalf on this thread (I'm waiting for their official response to post on here).

[aTriz]

I brought it to their attention when I saw this thread so - yes - the thread has been a positive influence in getting some action. I'm unsure what was done about it prior to this but there certainly has been action on it since. BQT have been quite forthcoming with information to me so I am confident that it will soon be resolved. None of the BQT team that I spoke to is familiar with bitcointalk so they left that task to a professional bounty manager that had been recommended to them.

So based on your statement BQT/IOU is positive with bounty stake, falt goes to bounty manager who is acting like irresponsible manager lately. And obviously I trust you personally and your judgment as well. However, I have talked with aTriz and I don't think he have contact with team lately. Since spreadsheet is open for everyone team could distribute themselves or they might hire someone (even you) to distribute bounty stake. So let's wait and see what response come out from manager ?

I did discussed with Eddie M (the Edward) regarding the payments. they are working on it. and soon they'll pay bounties.

[Theb]

I did discussed with Eddie M (the Edward) regarding the payments. they are working on it. and soon they'll pay bounties.

Can you give an exact date or a projected date on how “soon” it will be so that the bountry participants may have a time table on when they can expect to receive their payments? I think when the 11 months have lapsed after the ICO listing you should at least give the unpaid bounty participants some kind of assurance on the promised payment and not only tell them that they will receive it “soon”, because saying it vaguely like that won't really give them a peace of mind.

[Lucius]

Can you give an exact date or a projected date on how “soon” it will be so that the bountry participants may have a time table on when they can expect to receive their payments?

OP is linked both (BQT&IOU) bounty threads and post notice in them, but since it's been 11 months that participants should be paid, it is obvious that most have completely forgotten on this. I don't think it's realistic to ask for an exact date for payment, it is essential that the whole thing started to move in the right direction.

[TalkStar]

I did discussed with Eddie M (the Edward) regarding the payments. they are working on it. and soon they'll pay bounties.

Can you give an exact date or a projected date on how “soon” it will be so that the bountry participants may have a time table on when they can expect to receive their payments? I think when the 11 months have lapsed after the ICO listing you should at least give the unpaid bounty participants some kind of assurance on the promised payment and not only tell them that they will receive it “soon”, because saying it vaguely like that won't really give them a peace of mind.

I would request every participants to keep patience about their bounty payment. I am trying my best to find a proper solution as soon as possible. Getting delay payments is much better than getting nothing IMO.

[Theb]

I did discussed with Eddie M (the Edward) regarding the payments. they are working on it. and soon they'll pay bounties.

Can you give an exact date or a projected date on how “soon” it will be so that the bountry participants may have a time table on when they can expect to receive their payments? I think when the 11 months have lapsed after the ICO listing you should at least give the unpaid bounty participants some kind of assurance on the promised payment and not only tell them that they will receive it “soon”, because saying it vaguely like that won't really give them a peace of mind.

I would request every participants to keep patience about their bounty payment. I am trying my best to find a proper solution as soon as possible. Getting delay payments is much better than getting nothing IMO.

Patience is really the key for the participants when it comes to delayed payments but we are talking about almost a year of promise that a payment will happen "soon" and I don't think it's good enough to see that after 11 months of waiting you will only receive an update that they are "working on it" without really going into detail whatsoever. I'll give a thumbs up that aTriz have updated the current situation but if that "soon" didn't happen at all then it is really all for nothing.

[xtraelv]

Patience is really the key for the participants when it comes to delayed payments but we are talking about almost a year of promise that a payment will happen "soon" and I don't think it's good enough to see that after 11 months of waiting you will only receive an update that they are "working on it" without really going into detail whatsoever. I'll give a thumbs up that aTriz have updated the current situation but if that "soon" didn't happen at all then it is really all for nothing.

That is not true about BQT. Bounty payment was due 40 days after the ICO finished according to the bounty. This was a promise made by Zapo but left for others to sort out.  ICO finished earlier this year.

Atriz /Zapo is no longer involved in the current process.  Someone else has already been tasked with completing the audit which hadn't been done but is part of a bounty managers task. Other projects have voiced the difficulties of such task when it is not completed by the bounty manager.

I think this project is unfairly targeted for a payment that is overdue at the most for 3 or so months while other projects in the same situation but overdue for more than a year have not been complained about in the same way.

Such inconsistencies tend to happen regularly. I think people tend to get overzealous in calling others "scammers". Especially if they do not have active representation on bitcointalk.

I believe that Theymos has a symilar opinion when he said:

Forgiveness and de-escalation are key to getting Trust working smoothly:
 - Forgiveness: Often people make fairly small mistakes, but then they seemingly get red-trusted for life. This isn't really fair, and it discourages participation due to paranoia: if you think that you have a 1% chance of running afoul of some unwritten rule and getting red-trusted for life, you might just avoid the marketplace altogether. Red trust should mostly be based on an evaluation of what the person is likely to do in the future moreso than a punishment/mark-of-shame.
 - De-escalation: If some people end up locked in a feud where they're only really giving negative trust to each other in retaliation for negative trust, then one of them should propose burying the hatchet and removing the negative trust. Otherwise it never gets resolved, and everyone is worse-off for it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139179.msg50888622#msg50888622

Both myself and Talkstar have been in contact with BQT. With a previous allegation against them they provided all the information and did exactly what they said they would - leaving the previous allegation without foundation. They ran a successful ICO raising millions. Spent millions on building their project and paid their signature campaign participants. I see no reason why they would "scam" their bounty participants for a few  dollars worth of tokens which they set aside for the bounty at the start of the project.

[Lucius]

I think this project is unfairly targeted for a payment that is overdue at the most for 3 or so months while other projects in the same situation but overdue for more than a year have not been complained about in the same way.

Such inconsistencies tend to happen regularly. I think people tend to get overzealous in calling others "scammers". Especially if they do not have active representation on bitcointalk.

So you think Talkstar is open this thread with no real grounds, and that he is "unfairly targeting" BQT&IOU for not paying bounty participants x or xx months after the promised deadline? I think it's wrong to set things up in a way "They all do same things", so why BQT should be different.

Both myself and Talkstar have been in contact with BQT. With a previous allegation against them they provided all the information and did exactly what they said they would - leaving the previous allegation without foundation. They ran a successful ICO raising millions. Spent millions on building their project and paid their signature campaign participants. I see no reason why they would "scam" their bounty participants for a few  dollars worth of tokens which they set aside for the bounty at the start of the project.

You say few $, but only one user is calculated they own him $444 at posting time (August 8.)

The table shows the amount of 2536.8 BQTX and 420 IOUX for the bounty on Twitter and Facebook. Which I have not received.  According to coinmarketcap on August 8, this amount is $ 315 per BQTX campaign and $129 per IOUX. The total amount is $ 444.

Total amount of tokens in both bounty is 1 million tokens, so we are not talking about few $, but depending of tokens price much more money then that. Price of both token is go down, and BQT is from ATH $1.74 (May 20, 2019) now at only $0.08. So by "forgeting" to pay participants in time, they will maybe give them tokens that are much less valuable.

For example tvplus006 tokens BQTX 2536.8 x $0.08 = $202 / IOUX 420 x $0.23 = $96 - in total $298