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August 21, 2019, 08:23:31 AM
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Whats the point of supporting Vod's lies? theymos himself has distrust this idiot,isnt that enough ?you wanna join the distrusted list of the forum owner? you're not helping fag let them fight if they want ! its none of your business freak.

I try to keep away from the petty forum bitching, and I have no knowledge of any alleged mendacious behaviour by Vod.

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August 21, 2019, 08:39:05 AM
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I didn't realise the 3 day activity requirement, that kills my point in another post - I'd better editit.

I still think it would be handy to have a trading trust ranking, rather than a forum policeman ranking.

There was never supposed to be a forum policeman ranking...  Especially when people like Vod who are straight up liars are included in DT1.  I hope this forum can find it's way back to being more than a trollbox at some point.  It won't happen without strong leadership from honest people.

What's the point of bringing up your opinion about Vod in every topic related to DT1? Your own topic is a perfect place to ventilate your frustration towards him. Derailing other topics is kinda getting old at this point.
Whats the point of supporting Vod's lies? theymos himself has distrust this idiot,isnt that enough ?you wanna join the distrusted list of the forum owner? you're not helping fag let them fight if they want ! its none of your business freak.

This topic is a discussion about people in DT1 with zero or neutral trust. This topic isn't about Vod or Vod's behaviour. They can fight all they want but there is no need to derail multiple topics with their childish arguements. Derailing topics, while there is an open topic about the subject, is actually considered as off-topic posting.


2. No off-topic posts.


I have no idea how my post makes you think that I am supporting 'Vod's lies'. Understanding basic English is obviously hard for you so it might be too difficult for you to follow.

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August 21, 2019, 08:47:37 AM
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I've only just noticed that there seems to be a move against Vod. He is the first entry in my trust list, and I made the entry because I think he is an interesting character ( not sure about the avatar though Smiley ), and I felt that he had the interests of the forum at heart. It seems that others disagree with me, but my entry is based on my ( limited ) interaction with him. There seems to be a similar problem with TMAN

I'd like to give the system more support, but I'm still having difficulty in deciding how I should evaluate people.

Heh, I have the same problem. It's a surprise for me (but not too big) to see them distrusted by theymos. Vod and TMAN are on my trust list because I've seen them clearly spotting and tagging accounts that deserved to be tagged.

Vod is controversial because of his way of handling the problems and because many of the tagged people are now holding a grudge.
I've got from him a neutral tag which is only partly correct. I guess that some got negative tags which were only partly correct. But I think that is intentions are good and a tag can be appealed in PM (even though with too small chance of success).

I think that one way to evaluate people is to see their tags. If those seem to be made incorrectly, for example for some interest, then they should clearly not be on your list.
Then you can see their posts. If their views contradict yours, there's a good chance that you may not agree with all their tags. This doesn't mean you should necessarily distrust them, but at least not trust them.
Of course, the theory looks better than what's to be actually done.

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August 21, 2019, 08:05:32 PM
Last edit: August 21, 2019, 08:20:12 PM by CryptopreneurBrainboss
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So how do you evaluate the positive morality of members? Posting behaviour isn't really relevant, although post content can be an indication of low moral fibre.

How about their activities on the forum especially their policing activities, have you considered that aspect?. Having spent majority of my time for the past few weeks on the scam accusation board, i recently updated my trust list and those would made the list were mostly those showing some policing contributions to the forum.

For my criteria, I combined, post quality, merit earned plus policing contributions. Dropped few old forum members, (no offense) then added new members who have proven themselves worthy, those I feel have hunger to search for scam like project to expose. Was kind of self-centered with my selections though since I'm an altcoin enthusiast and i need protection to some extent via the scam relate projects. Speaking of plagiarized whitepaper, fake teams etc. I don't have the right tools to spot this red flags so it's fair to have the guys who do on my CTL to alert me when I encounter such projects.

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August 22, 2019, 03:45:47 AM
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and I have no knowledge of any alleged mendacious behaviour by Vod.

Vod has never misbehaved.  Scammers try and call me a liar to reduce my trust impact, but time shows I am usually correct.

Vod is controversial because of his way of handling the problems and because many of the tagged people are now holding a grudge.
I've got from him a neutral tag which is only partly correct. I guess that some got negative tags which were only partly correct. But I think that is intentions are good and a tag can be appealed in PM (even though with too small chance of success).

I have been removing a lot of old negative trust recently.   For example, yours was purchasing a hacked Microsoft key three years ago.  Such things can be forgiven if the actors do not do it again.  Someone also PMed me to remove a negative rating for leaving trust for payment.  Such acts show a foundational opposite of what I stand for and I won't remove those.

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August 22, 2019, 06:13:10 AM
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For example, yours was purchasing a hacked Microsoft key three years ago.  Such things can be forgiven if the actors do not do it again.

Actually I didn't purchase it (I've got it for free) and I didn't use it (it didn't work at first attempt and your feedback made me stop).
But I agree, the intention was there.
That's why I considered it only partly correct.

However, thanks for removing it. (I clearly didn't do that again.)

Someone also PMed me to remove a negative rating for leaving trust for payment.  Such acts show a foundational opposite of what I stand for and I won't remove those.

That would be the opposite of what you've done until now.
(And if you would start removing such ratings in such cases, sooner or later you'd clearly end up distrusted by everybody.)

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I've not been keeping up with the latest changes to the trust system, but I'm having difficulty in understanding the justification for including a member without a positive trust entry in the DT1 rankings.


Without a shadow of doubt, user Hostfat (shows as Staff Legendary) has a questionable objective when it comes to supporting forum users (and known scammers) eliale and paci  - and anything related to protecting the Rock Trading scam exchange

Forum moderator Hostfat shows DT1 with strike through (as can be seen here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5176458.msg52211678#msg52211678) yet somehow he is still 'Staff Legendary'. What is all that about? Can anybody shed light on it please as I do not understand?

This link explains the issues that triggered the concerns surrounding Hostfat behaving in an aggressive manner to a victim of a scam and instead he protected those that provide his affiliate related source of income via Rock Trading scam exchange thus he has lost the opportunity to be called unbiased and neutral: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5126027.0

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August 22, 2019, 07:27:44 PM
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and I have no knowledge of any alleged mendacious behaviour by Vod.

Vod has never misbehaved.  Scammers try and call me a liar to reduce my trust impact, but time shows I am usually correct.

Vod, even the admin admitted your behavior is disgusting. Then you leave me a trust rating trying to make it seem like the comment was about me. I’ll happily discuss this in person with you if you’d like it to remain off the forum.

Vod is a lying piece of shit that belongs nowhere near DT1. Anyone that supports him either has their head buried in the sand, or they aren’t motivated by an honest accurate trust network. There is no excuse that could justify trusting someone who acts like he does.

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and I have no knowledge of any alleged mendacious behaviour by Vod.

Vod has never misbehaved.  Scammers try and call me a liar to reduce my trust impact, but time shows I am usually correct.

Vod, even the admin admitted your behavior is disgusting. Then you leave me a trust rating trying to make it seem like the comment was about me. I’ll happily discuss this in person with you if you’d like it to remain off the forum.

Vod is a lying piece of shit that belongs nowhere near DT1. Anyone that supports him either has their head buried in the sand, or they aren’t motivated by an honest accurate trust network. There is no excuse that could justify trusting someone who acts like he does.
Agreed Vod is LIAR,everyone who supports this idiot is either part of lauda's gang or just stupid.I believe on theymo's decision.
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Forum moderator Hostfat shows DT1 with strike through (as can be seen here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5176458.msg52211678#msg52211678) yet somehow he is still 'Staff Legendary'. What is all that about? Can anybody shed light on it please as I do not understand?
Theymos picks Staff members, and theymos trusts HostFat:
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Trust list for: HostFat (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (DT1 (-4) 91 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-08-17_Sat_05.04h)
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HostFat is Trusted by:
1. theymos (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (61) 5035 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

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Forum moderator Hostfat shows DT1 with strike through (as can be seen here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5176458.msg52211678#msg52211678) yet somehow he is still 'Staff Legendary'. What is all that about? Can anybody shed light on it please as I do not understand?
Theymos picks Staff members, and theymos trusts HostFat:

Thank you Loyce but what does the strike-through DT1 mean?

Is it something that can be like having a yo-yo effect where you can be DT1 one week and DT1 the next or is simply that was once DT1 but will never be DT1 again?

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Thank you Loyce but what does the strike-through DT1 mean?
You forgot the "-4": HostFat is trusted by 4 and distrusted by 8 DT1 members. So his "DT1 strength" is -4. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

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Is it something that can be like having a yo-yo effect where you can be DT1 one week and DT1 the next or is simply that was once DT1 but will never be DT1 again?
Some users have been on and off DT1.

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Thank you Loyce but what does the strike-through DT1 mean?
You forgot the "-4": HostFat is trusted by 4 and distrusted by 8 DT1 members. So his "DT1 strength" is -4. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

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Is it something that can be like having a yo-yo effect where you can be DT1 one week and DT1 the next or is simply that was once DT1 but will never be DT1 again?
Some users have been on and off DT1.


As always thank you for the explanation. I understand now.

Yes that link shows the 4 DT1 users that trust and 8 DT1 users that distrust him. A very handy tool to have just as is your Loyce Club.


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Vod is a lying piece of shit that belongs nowhere near DT1. Anyone that supports him either has their head buried in the sand, or they aren’t motivated by an honest accurate trust network. There is no excuse that could justify trusting someone who acts like he does.

Yes, yes, most scammers I expose feel this way.  You are no different.

I'm sure we'd all appreciate if you could chose a street corner to droll your opinions - maybe even get a loudspeaker.  Interjecting your repeated grievances everywhere you feel like is just annoying everyone - if you even care.  :/

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DefaultTrust membership should mean your Trust ratings are accurate, that's it. Someone can be a trustworthy person but their judgement may still be subpar. Or they might not trade much with other forum members but they may be good at spotting scammers.


This is an excellent way of summing up the paradox.

My words are not directed at any individuals in particular but are a general statement.

I have seen some very informative posts from highly intelligent individuals that are articulate, polite and come across as valued members of this community but they are not DT1.

On the other side, I have seen far more users that have been around for years and are DT1 but they bring literally nothing of substance to the community.

With regards to the heading title of this thread: "DT1 with zero or neutral trust", I think a better solution is needed to ensure some degree of accountability on part of those that are DT1 and also a different mechanism in place for others to be able to achieve DT1 level.

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August 23, 2019, 12:08:44 PM
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Vod is a lying piece of shit that belongs nowhere near DT1.


OG Nasty is a proven liar who does not pay his loans in full. He also changes multiple posts in his scamclub thread to deceive people.

Vod on the otherhand has seen through OG's lies and narcissistic behavior and that has lead to this feud.

Trust VOD - invite everyone else to a gangbang at OG's

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I have seen some very informative posts from highly intelligent individuals that are articulate, polite and come across as valued members of this community but they are not DT1.

On the other side, I have seen far more users that have been around for years and are DT1 but they bring literally nothing of substance to the community.

With regards to the heading title of this thread: "DT1 with zero or neutral trust", I think a better solution is needed to ensure some degree of accountability on part of those that are DT1 and also a different mechanism in place for others to be able to achieve DT1 level.

Posts really have very little to do with DT status. If someone is eligible for DT then it becomes dependent on how many DT1 trust them and how many distrust them.

Some of it will be forum politics, perception or opinion that determines whether someone is trusted or distrusted. This is why the voting system is good. If a member has more trust than distrust then they still are a valid DT.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Some former DT1 and 2 have deliberately removed themselves from being eligible for DT selection because they disagree with the current system or are just sick of the bickering and negativity that tends to happen when you are on DT.

It is very hard to determining someones "value" to the community. For instance there are a lot of members that post very little but help out with investigations, report spammers and report rule breakers or post on sections of the forum that you might not visit.  When the merit system was introduced I noticed some people were merited a lot that I had never heard of before. They tended to post in sections of the forum that I never visit.

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August 23, 2019, 12:30:33 PM
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DefaultTrust membership should mean your Trust ratings are accurate, that's it. Someone can be a trustworthy person but their judgement may still be subpar. Or they might not trade much with other forum members but they may be good at spotting scammers.

Indeed Trust should be accurate, though its difficult off-course.... But for me many of the Collectible members and there trust ratings are very accurate and I will trust them more easily as I do many others, I do respect a lot of them have met some IRL and this have build some some good trust in my books, as I did met with a few other forum members as LFC and planned with a few others.... Of the once I met with i'm confident they are legit and to be trusted with some kind of stuff and I know they take there businesses on and out the forum very serious .....

Also many of the collectible members have a good kind of work relation going on and I don't think any of them would wanna see those networking going to waste.... Trust is very difficult to gain in this online world and everybody should be careful at any time, but those that earned some good trust are a + point in the value of DT imo .... and the members with very positive trust should be respected a bit more cause they are doing only good.

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August 23, 2019, 03:26:58 PM
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DefaultTrust membership should mean your Trust ratings are accurate, that's it. Someone can be a trustworthy person but their judgement may still be subpar. Or they might not trade much with other forum members but they may be good at spotting scammers.

Vod’s trust ratings on me are 100% provable lies, yet he sits in DT1 even after theymos told him he would be removed for posting such lying trust ratings about me. How is this justified? Why is this allowed?

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August 23, 2019, 03:32:33 PM
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Vod’s trust ratings on me are 100% provable lies, yet he sits in DT1 even after theymos told him he would be removed for posting such lying trust ratings about me. How is this justified? Why is this allowed?

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