Is ...<name>... still/on DT/yet? - Requests welcome.

[Timelord2067]

Perhaps as a suggestion - when the change of DT occurrs once a month, that date is shown in a different colour (white?) to signify it's not a change in views, just the monthly soft shoe shuffle.

I'm not adding more features. It's obvious for users who went from DT2 to DT1, see http://isognastystillondt.tk/ for instance.

All good - in case I haven't said it recently, I appreciate your work here on the forum and I appreciate you taking the time to create these extra little tools.

[LoyceV]

It turns out connection problems lead to "0 exclusions on DT2" in the Changelog. It's a bug, but I won't fix it. Let's say it can be used as a log of connection problems.

[LoyceV]

DidTMANsayAbadWord.tk

I think this is a record:

[ChiBitCTy]

DidTMANsayAbadWord.tk

I think this is a record:

That’s just on bitcointalk, imagine if you had the slack /telegram etc numbers. 
 

[LoyceV]

That’s just on bitcointalk

It's even been higher, I kinda want to make a Changelog of records for TMAN

[examplens]

That’s just on bitcointalk, imagine if you had the slack /telegram etc numbers. 
 

just think, what he is saying as he writes.
I guess, LoyceV is already inside of his computer, so maybe we can expect some stats from there. If TMAN has not destroyed cam and microphone. 

[LoyceMobile]

DT1 got updated, which means many changes to DT2 too.

[LoyceV]

It turns out connection problems lead to "0 exclusions on DT2" in the Changelog. It's a bug, but I won't fix it. Let's say it can be used as a log of connection problems.

Update: I noticed someone took a screenshot of http://islaudastillondt.tk/, so I've now manually removed the log-entries caused by forum downtime.

[~DefaultTrust]

2020-03-12_Thu_17.29h: Lauda has 3 exclusions on DT2.

Perhaps cult followers pray poorly?

[Timelord2067]

2020-03-12_Thu_17.29h: Lauda has 3 exclusions on DT2.

Perhaps cult followers pray poorly?

Cut the alts of from their source of protein (Signature Campaigns) and the main alt/alts will start to squeal and wail and, as you suggest, the cu/a/lts will wither and die off.  It may have been easier a while ago to manufacture copious amounts of alts and gift them merits like mana from heaven, but there are more eyes looking out for such merit fonts and the trickle down effects.

*edit*

Am just wondering - why is it this http://istimelord2067ondtyet.tk/ didn't change when foxpup lost their DT1 status recently sinking to DT1 (-1)? (twice) (there is no conspiracy)

Trust list for: Foxpup (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-1) 871 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-03-14_Sat_05.07h)
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OT

Given Lauda sunk below DT2 on Thursday your time http://islaudastillondt.tk/ , how come this still shows negative in yellow in the trust feedback  ?? (there is no conspiracy)

Trust list for: Timelord2067 (Trust: +8 / =4 / -1) (DT1 (-12) 363 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-03-14_Sat_05.07h)
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Not this:

Thanks for creating this tool:
   Timelord2067    u=131361

[dragonvslinux]

Am just wondering - why is it this http://istimelord2067ondtyet.tk/ didn't change when foxpup lost their DT1 status recently sinking to DT1 (-1)? (twice) (there is no conspiracy)

Trust list for: Foxpup (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-1) 871 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-03-14_Sat_05.07h)
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Probably not due to the following:

Foxpup's Merit Cycling Conspiracy

Given Lauda sunk below DT2 on Thursday your time http://islaudastillondt.tk/ , how come this still shows negative in yellow in the trust feedback  ?? (there is no conspiracy)

Trust list for: Timelord2067 (Trust: +8 / =4 / -1) (DT1 (-12) 363 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-03-14_Sat_05.07h)
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Not this:

Thanks for creating this tool:
   Timelord2067    u=131361

You're not the only one, I noticed I have also been targeted by this conspiracy affected by this glitch or error.

[Foxpup]

Am just wondering - why is it this http://istimelord2067ondtyet.tk/ didn't change when foxpup lost their DT1 status recently sinking to DT1 (-1)? (twice) (there is no conspiracy)

Why would you expect it to change? Me being on DT1 or not has no effect on whether you are. I don't even particularly care about being on DT1, having far more important things to worry about, hence why my site is IsFoxpupStillAVixen.tk instead of IsFoxupStillOnDT.tk.

[dragonvslinux]

More glitches in the matrix I assume 



You can tell as 0 exclusions (with DT1 inclusions) would mean Lauda would be on DT2, as opposed to excluded, as you can tell from the log:

2020-03-11_Wed_16.29h: Lauda is on DT2 with 0 inclusions.
2020-03-05_Thu_10.49h: Lauda is on DT2 with 0 inclusions.
2020-03-04_Wed_10.49h: Lauda is on DT2 with 0 inclusions.

There has been no DT changes, as well as a quick DT trust view confirming this thesis of an error.

Am just wondering - why is it this http://istimelord2067ondtyet.tk/ didn't change when foxpup lost their DT1 status recently sinking to DT1 (-1)? (twice) (there is no conspiracy)

Why would you expect it to change? Me being on DT1 or not has no effect on whether you are. I don't even particularly care about being on DT1, having far more important things to worry about, hence why my site is IsFoxpupStillAVixen.tk instead of IsFoxupStillOnDT.tk.

Actually, by being (temporarily) excluded from DT1, then Timelord2067's exclusions should go from -12 to -11 on that basis, and therefore does affect whether they are on DT1 or not (even if a change from -12 to -11 ain't gonna change much). Re: confirmation of glitches in said matrix.

Apparently both me and Timelord2067 were wrong about this.


Edit: Glitch passed, but logged

2020-03-15_Sun_07.49h: Lauda has 0 exclusions on DT2.

[Foxpup]

Actually, by being (temporarily) excluded from DT1, then Timelord2067's exclusions should go from -12 to -11 on that basis, and therefore does affect whether they are on DT1 or not (even if a change from -12 to -11 ain't gonna change much).

Not true. Being excluded from DT1 doesn't prevent you from excluding others. Otherwise this demonstration of Timelord2067's maturity wouldn't be possible:

To prove a point, I removed my distrust to bring him back to DT1 (0) then slap him down to DT1 (-1) once again.

[dragonvslinux]

Actually, by being (temporarily) excluded from DT1, then Timelord2067's exclusions should go from -12 to -11 on that basis, and therefore does affect whether they are on DT1 or not (even if a change from -12 to -11 ain't gonna change much).

Not true. Being excluded from DT1 doesn't prevent you from excluding others. Otherwise this demonstration of Timelord2067's maturity wouldn't be possible:

To prove a point, I removed my distrust to bring him back to DT1 (0) then slap him down to DT1 (-1) once again.

My bad, I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't realize you could still exclude, given that your inclusions don't count (right?), interesting. Kind of makes sense, kind of not. You're right though, real mature stuff referenced there  

[Foxpup]

I didn't realize you could still exclude, given that your inclusions don't count (right?),

Wrong. They do, at least for determining who's in DT1. Being excluded from DT1 means your trust ratings aren't visible by default and your trust list doesn't determine who's in DT2, but your trust list does determine who is/isn't in DT1 as normal.

[LoyceV]

Am just wondering - why is it this http://istimelord2067ondtyet.tk/ didn't change when foxpup lost their DT1 status recently sinking to DT1 (-1)? (twice)

If you'd be on DT2, the difference could be changed because I use https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview for DT1 inclusions/exclusions and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust for DT2. The former is updated real-time, while I think the latter has a delay (although I'm not sure, some Trust changes  are real-time, others are cached for a while by the forum).

However:

Why would you expect it to change? Me being on DT1 or not has no effect on whether you are.

Foxpup is correct! If you'd be on DT2, Foxpup's exclusion would matter depending on Foxpup being on DT1 or not. But you're on DT1, and inclusions or exclusions from users with net-exclusions on DT1 still count.

This leads to the following (probably unintentional) possibility:

Lauda had (2) net-inclusions on DT1.
Lauda now has 6 net-inclusions on DT2.
Lauda got blacklisted from DT1.

I have 2 scenarios
1: suppose Lauda wasn't blacklisted, but got 3 more exclusions from other DT1 members. That would mean Lauda was removed from DefaultTrust entirely.

2: the current state (Lauda blacklisted from DT1). Now suppose Lauda gets the same 3 exclusions from DT1. That would mean Lauda still has 3 net-inclusions on DT2 and remains on DefaultTrust.

This means it is possible that a DT1-exclusion leads to a member being on DT which wouldn't happen without blacklisting. This is probably caused by the fact that excluded DT1-members can vote against other DT1-members, but they can't vote against DT2-members.
Is that the intended behaviour of the DefaultTrust system?

Given Lauda sunk below DT2 on Thursday your time http://islaudastillondt.tk/ , how come this still shows negative in yellow in the trust feedback  ??

I can't scrape all data at the same time, I usually update the Trust scores (currently 13,755 entries) on Wednesday.

(there is no conspiracy)
~
(there is no conspiracy)

Correct. I don't do conspiracies. Only bugs

2020-03-11_Wed_16.29h: Lauda is on DT2 with 0 inclusions.
2020-03-05_Thu_10.49h: Lauda is on DT2 with 0 inclusions.
2020-03-04_Wed_10.49h: Lauda is on DT2 with 0 inclusions.

This is caused by a scraping failure. I didn't account for it, so it gives unexpected behaviour.
I've manually removed the 2 incorrect entries for the 4 affected users.

[dragonvslinux]

Why would you expect it to change? Me being on DT1 or not has no effect on whether you are.

Foxpup is correct! If you'd be on DT2, Foxpup's exclusion would matter depending on Foxpup being on DT1 or not. But you're on DT1, and inclusions or exclusions from users with net-exclusions on DT1 still count.

This leads to the following (probably unintentional) possibility:

Lauda had (2) net-inclusions on DT1.
Lauda now has 6 net-inclusions on DT2.
Lauda got blacklisted from DT1.

I have 2 scenarios
1: suppose Lauda wasn't blacklisted, but got 3 more exclusions from other DT1 members. That would mean Lauda was removed from DefaultTrust entirely.

2: the current state (Lauda blacklisted from DT1). Now suppose Lauda gets the same 3 exclusions from DT1. That would mean Lauda still has 3 net-inclusions on DT2 and remains on DefaultTrust.

This means it is possible that a DT1-exclusion leads to a member being on DT2 which wouldn't happen without blacklisting. This is probably caused by the fact that excluded DT1-members can vote against other DT1-members, but they can't vote against DT2-members.
Is that the intended behaviour of the DefaultTrust system?

This blew my mind  

Given Lauda sunk below DT2 on Thursday your time http://islaudastillondt.tk/ , how come this still shows negative in yellow in the trust feedback  ??

I can't scrape all data at the same time, I usually update the Trust scores (currently 13,755 entries) on Wednesday.

(there is no conspiracy)
~
(there is no conspiracy)

Correct. I don't do conspiracies. Only bugs

2020-03-11_Wed_16.29h: Lauda is on DT2 with 0 inclusions.
2020-03-05_Thu_10.49h: Lauda is on DT2 with 0 inclusions.
2020-03-04_Wed_10.49h: Lauda is on DT2 with 0 inclusions.

This is caused by a scraping failure. I didn't account for it, so it gives unexpected behaviour.
I've manually removed the 2 incorrect entries for the 4 affected users.

Yup, I knew it was a conspiracy against certain users
Joking, obviously

[Foxpup]

IsFoxpupStillAVixen.tk

I was just seeing if LoyceV would do anything with it, though if not I suppose I might put something up if there's sufficient interest.

Bumping in confirmation of sufficient interest.

IsFoxpupStillANSFWVixen.today (Link not safe for work, in case there's any confusion on that point.)

Discussion thread (very likely also NSFW): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233789.0

[peloso]

More glitches in the matrix I assume 

there is same error again
Lauda has now 2 exclusions but is show 0