Taxless society idea

[Brunus]

As annoying as it may be to admit it, the idea of a society without taxes is a contradiction in terms: a society has by definition common parts, which interest everyone, and which must be maintained with the cooperation of all citizens.
With or without bitcoins.

[STT]

Governments are always a tax on society, they arent productive enterprise like companies and people have to be.   The main question is how justified is their expenditure, in the worst countries and economies we see governments which operate without any control or feedback from the population on their spending and in the end their existence becomes self beneficial to a ruling elite.
   The reason we dont want a inflationary method of funding government is because the idea is centralized and without control or resistance from a population, the idea might start off with 1% or some inflation idea in the low percentage but when the going gets tough the government supported by the military and armed police have no reason not to increase inflation as far as they require money.    Every other part of an economy must provide a service, utility or goods in exchange for their profits and in competition to others.   Inflation is especially deceptive method as it causes all prices to inflate and the use of that national is enforced not justified so even as a starting idea it will tend towards failure and ruin of a country.

[Kaller]

Governments are always a tax on society, they arent productive enterprise like companies and people have to be.   The main question is how justified is their expenditure, in the worst countries and economies we see governments which operate without any control or feedback from the population on their spending and in the end their existence becomes self beneficial to a ruling elite.
   The reason we dont want a inflationary method of funding government is because the idea is centralized and without control or resistance from a population, the idea might start off with 1% or some inflation idea in the low percentage but when the going gets tough the government supported by the military and armed police have no reason not to increase inflation as far as they require money.    Every other part of an economy must provide a service, utility or goods in exchange for their profits and in competition to others.   Inflation is especially deceptive method as it causes all prices to inflate and the use of that national is enforced not justified so even as a starting idea it will tend towards failure and ruin of a country.

the government serves the purpose but the question is, where does our tax money go? many countries are corrupt, and instead of tax money going to public infrastructure, it goes to government workers who steal from the taxpayers. It's a shame, because these countries native element, and instead they live in poverty because of corruption.

[eaLiTy]

I don't think that taxation itself is something that needs to be rid of, but rather unfair, and double taxation, especially in the treatment of cryptos.

There is no way that anyone could get rid of taxation but each and every tax payer should know what the government is doing with the money they are collecting and with the help of blockchain we can come up with solutions that will make things transparent and we need to have transparency on the money we pay as tax. I am from a democratic country but i do not think that the government will make anything transparent because there wont be any corruption if everything is transparent.

many countries are corrupt, and instead of tax money going to public infrastructure, it goes to government workers who steal from the taxpayers.

This will be the main reason why some countries will oppose the introduction of blockchain  .

[Heimer]

I don't think that taxation itself is something that needs to be rid of, but rather unfair, and double taxation, especially in the treatment of cryptos.

There is no way that anyone could get rid of taxation but each and every tax payer should know what the government is doing with the money they are collecting and with the help of blockchain we can come up with solutions that will make things transparent and we need to have transparency on the money we pay as tax. I am from a democratic country but i do not think that the government will make anything transparent because there wont be any corruption if everything is transparent.

many countries are corrupt, and instead of tax money going to public infrastructure, it goes to government workers who steal from the taxpayers.

This will be the main reason why some countries will oppose the introduction of blockchain  .

Yeah, exactly... Blockchain is able to eliminate fraud and corruption and this is the sole reason why there are so many rich people and government agencies against cryptocurrencies.

[samcrypto]

One way or another, I believe that taxation in the state should be, because all state structures exist at the expense of taxes.  But at the same time, most of the taxes that fall into the state budget must be paid by entrepreneurs and enterprises, and not by a simple citizen.  In any case, all taxes should remain in local budgets.

Normal people should not pay any taxes or even lower the rate of taxes, i have to agree on this that businesses should be the one to pay higher taxes because they make more money. If we all use cryptocurrency to evade the taxes then I am sure that the government will make regulations that you have to declare your income on cryptomarmet so they can ask you to pay the tax.

[meliodas]

I don't think that a taxless society will work because the tax is the like the heart of any country since that is where they get their fund in order to make new projects and continuously progress their economy. It will be a dumb idea for any country to just turn into a taxless society since they will no longer get any money and their economy will just collapse.

[chirannew22]

my idea is the taxless society is not good. because a goverment cant run the without tax. most of the country largly depend on the tax.

[tenakha]

I don't think that taxation itself is something that needs to be rid of, but rather unfair, and double taxation, especially in the treatment of cryptos.

There is no way that anyone could get rid of taxation but each and every tax payer should know what the government is doing with the money they are collecting and with the help of blockchain we can come up with solutions that will make things transparent and we need to have transparency on the money we pay as tax. I am from a democratic country but i do not think that the government will make anything transparent because there wont be any corruption if everything is transparent.

many countries are corrupt, and instead of tax money going to public infrastructure, it goes to government workers who steal from the taxpayers.

This will be the main reason why some countries will oppose the introduction of blockchain  .

Yeah, exactly... Blockchain is able to eliminate fraud and corruption and this is the sole reason why there are so many rich people and government agencies against cryptocurrencies.

Blockchain and cryptocurrency are different things. I did not hear about the any government against Blockchain (Maybe North Korea?). This system is the best unless better will be created and it is possible to implement it in the future. Nowadays there are governments that test it but suddenly it is not as easy as you think to apply it to the whole world.

[Heimer]

my idea is the taxless society is not good. because a goverment cant run the without tax. most of the country largly depend on the tax.

Why on earth would you need government that can't even run without taxpayers money. Most countries have some sort of businesses in which they own shares and this should be enough for them

[$Andreyka$]

I have idea for discussion.

How it could work Taxless society:

Independent world deflationary money for storing value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in combination with inflationary digital money from central banks valid only limited time to directly spend (buying goods and services) or you can change to deflationary money (store of value).

With transparent view of circulating supply on blockchain for each country (inflation based on growing population, number of new pensions... in last year or some other time period).

Community interests (healthcare, roads, pensions...) can be financed directly from the part of that emission with limited valid time inflationary money on annual base.

The salary received in inflationary digital money from the moment of receipt must be spent or exchanged for some store of value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in 1 year or will be automaticly exchanged for some independent world "store of value" (bitcoin, litecoin...) upon expiration of time (just example).

After expiration inflatory money would not be worth (will be "burned").

What do you think is this can be done to work?

I think this is utopia. See how hard cryptocurrencies are conquering the world. Now imagine how many agreements you need to reach in order to launch what you are talking about.
Most rulers in the world are not honest. The principle of transparency is not beneficial for them. Perhaps when something like this is possible in the future, but only when humanity faces the threat of extinction.

[Magkirap]

I have idea for discussion.

How it could work Taxless society:

Independent world deflationary money for storing value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in combination with inflationary digital money from central banks valid only limited time to directly spend (buying goods and services) or you can change to deflationary money (store of value).

With transparent view of circulating supply on blockchain for each country (inflation based on growing population, number of new pensions... in last year or some other time period).

Community interests (healthcare, roads, pensions...) can be financed directly from the part of that emission with limited valid time inflationary money on annual base.

The salary received in inflationary digital money from the moment of receipt must be spent or exchanged for some store of value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in 1 year or will be automaticly exchanged for some independent world "store of value" (bitcoin, litecoin...) upon expiration of time (just example).

After expiration inflatory money would not be worth (will be "burned").

What do you think is this can be done to work?

This was hard actually. Tax has benefits to the people and to the whole country. Maybe it will not be worth it if there is corruption in the government but all in all tax are made for a purpose. To sustain the country's expenses and serve as an allowance for healthcare, education, transportation etc. Also, I dont think there are countries that are living without taxpayer's money. Can you state some countries?

[beej]

It would be like the ancient times, but would also be a bit chaotic. No government
to protect or impose laws. Tax money is the lifeblood of the government, like it
or not we need the government and what it provides.

Though problems tends to surface and arise when it comes to taxes, but on the positive
side of things, if tax money is well spent on projects and services that benefits the people
and nation there should be no problem at all. People have a right to know the whereabouts
and how tax money is spent by the government annually.

[Oilacris]

This was hard actually. Tax has benefits to the people and to the whole country. Maybe it will not be worth it if there is corruption in the government but all in all tax are made for a purpose. To sustain the country's expenses and serve as an allowance for healthcare, education, transportation etc. Also, I dont think there are countries that are living without taxpayer's money. Can you state some countries?

You are right and its hard to think up for a country which doesn't depend on tax or does produce their own money for development and other sectors.

Most people do hate up those tax deductions but as said this is needed for a countries economy to grow and improve and its hard to believe that theres a taxless society.
Even I don't have the idea or knowledge if these countries do exist.

[Heimer]

I have idea for discussion.

How it could work Taxless society:

Independent world deflationary money for storing value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in combination with inflationary digital money from central banks valid only limited time to directly spend (buying goods and services) or you can change to deflationary money (store of value).

With transparent view of circulating supply on blockchain for each country (inflation based on growing population, number of new pensions... in last year or some other time period).

Community interests (healthcare, roads, pensions...) can be financed directly from the part of that emission with limited valid time inflationary money on annual base.

The salary received in inflationary digital money from the moment of receipt must be spent or exchanged for some store of value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in 1 year or will be automaticly exchanged for some independent world "store of value" (bitcoin, litecoin...) upon expiration of time (just example).

After expiration inflatory money would not be worth (will be "burned").

What do you think is this can be done to work?

This was hard actually. Tax has benefits to the people and to the whole country. Maybe it will not be worth it if there is corruption in the government but all in all tax are made for a purpose. To sustain the country's expenses and serve as an allowance for healthcare, education, transportation etc. Also, I dont think there are countries that are living without taxpayer's money. Can you state some countries?

From what I've experienced I can absolutely say that public are worse than private. Public healthcare - you have to wait very long time to see your doctor and when you finally see him it could be too late to help you. Public education - poor teaching ethic and bullying young people. Public transportation - delays and unpleasant buses, etc...

[Pinkris128]

I have idea for discussion.

How it could work Taxless society:

Independent world deflationary money for storing value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in combination with inflationary digital money from central banks valid only limited time to directly spend (buying goods and services) or you can change to deflationary money (store of value).

With transparent view of circulating supply on blockchain for each country (inflation based on growing population, number of new pensions... in last year or some other time period).

Community interests (healthcare, roads, pensions...) can be financed directly from the part of that emission with limited valid time inflationary money on annual base.

The salary received in inflationary digital money from the moment of receipt must be spent or exchanged for some store of value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in 1 year or will be automaticly exchanged for some independent world "store of value" (bitcoin, litecoin...) upon expiration of time (just example).

After expiration inflatory money would not be worth (will be "burned").

What do you think is this can be done to work?

From our country which is Philippines, there are some good and very well services at the public establishment and government but there are also a lot has a poor and low quality services like hospitals, healthcare, transportation and many more. If we do the taxless society, how about the maintenance of the public? How about now will maintain the good of education in public schools? if all of them runs with the taxes.

[DaftAjax]

For normal citizens, this probably portrays, angel's singing in the background just because they've heard "taxless society". But what about those people who are knowledgeable about how tax really works. And how it saved/developed/enriched mankind from ever-growing. If you compare it to a human being, tax is like "oxygen/food/water", it's the catalysts that lets you live. Imagine tax hasn't been implemented since then? What do you think our society would be like? or does even a society will ever exist.

I'm sure you're having thoughts on the negative part of taxes, but hey, the good part about it is essential to mankind now and removing/replacing it will lead to crisis, not only an economic crisis but as a whole.

[akirasendo17]

taxless society , I think its a bit unfair in crypto world there is no such thing as tax, if you can see every transactions you made in crypto there is a fee, as you can see if there is no fee's being paid
there will be no miners , same with bank and other institutions they need this to run the network without it there will be no existence of crypto,

[timerland]

I believe this is known as a market economy (a economy where the government doesn't exist, so there are no regulations, taxs, etc).

It would never work. The government is still very important to us, helps with education, public transport, and even though they do over-regulate sometimes, and are sometimes corrupt, they are usually great for us.

[Plecet Bank]

A community without taxes and applied in the country I can not. Taxes are revenue for the government so that taxes cannot be removed. Earnings from Bitcoin indeed in my country have not been exposed to government taxes. But if later the government can legalize Bitcoin, I think the income from Bitcoin will be taxable.

Life if there is no tax like dreaming and living without tax it can only be done in a rich country. Because everybody has a life assurance from the government.