Taxless society idea

[Shimmiry]

In the history of mankind there have been many cases when people tried to create, as it seemed to them, a more just society without taxes. All of them were defeated, because financing of common needs is necessary in any society. Another thing is how to effectively use taxes, but this is another matter.

I think taxless society can happen because today of the way how does the country earn is by the tax they collected to the people and use those tax to build a lot of things that the people needed to live well. Today we have a different job and a different salary, the fee depends on our status in life and our salary, the more salary we have, the more taxes we pay. Like in cryptocurrency if we hold a lot of coins, it has a huge payment too because those transactions fee is a payment for using their website or platform to transfer or get your funds. If the country becomes rich, I think this is a possibility that can be taxless now.

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[go1lo2va3]

In the history of mankind there have been many cases when people tried to create, as it seemed to them, a more just society without taxes. All of them were defeated, because financing of common needs is necessary in any society. Another thing is how to effectively use taxes, but this is another matter.

I think taxless society can happen because today of the way how does the country earn is by the tax they collected to the people and use those tax to build a lot of things that the people needed to live well. Today we have a different job and a different salary, the fee depends on our status in life and our salary, the more salary we have, the more taxes we pay. Like in cryptocurrency if we hold a lot of coins, it has a huge payment too because those transactions fee is a payment for using their website or platform to transfer or get your funds. If the country becomes rich, I think this is a possibility that can be taxless now.

Imo taxless country (how you described it) is possible, but it won't last long.
I mean imagine rich country pay for everything society needs. And where do the govs get money from anyway?
They will spend any savings they've had and taxes would be back soon.

[huige007]

In the history of mankind there have been many cases when people tried to create, as it seemed to them, a more just society without taxes. All of them were defeated, because financing of common needs is necessary in any society. Another thing is how to effectively use taxes, but this is another matter.

Most of the people are in favor of taxes but the issue is they don’t trust governments most of the times with their money as corrupt politicians use them for their own purposes and needs. This is important for running a society that rich people pay some money or give it to poor to help them meeting their basic human needs and this is what taxes are supposed to do. Everybody would like to pays taxes if they know where they are being used.

[DaftAjax]

Taxless society is utopia. Governments and local communities need to financed by citizens and if you ask me citizens need to contribute to wellfare of community they live.
Honestly, I don't see how development of technologies can contribute for taxation not to be implemented. Maybe through blockchain it can help to become more transparent

If we are really planning on having a taxless society, we have to eliminate the root of it all--money. But you could imagine what would happen by then. Basically, the tax is a form of "combined" effort, so the government could do something for the country and its people. You may not realize this but people are driven by personal gains. Whatever their goals may be, mostly it's for their own good. So when people gain power, they tend to do things that is beyond, or should I say, it's not in their position anymore to execute such actions.

Transparency has its own disadvantages, and trust me its not a good thing. Even if the government implements blockchain technology, it still does not assure the people if the government doesn't commit any illegal actions.

[aiguy]

it is good idea to be a taxless society, through this, society will be rich, there will be lot if job, poverty will be eresed, but one thing will be weak, that the government

[Mauser]

it is good idea to be a taxless society, through this, society will be rich, there will be lot if job, poverty will be eresed, but one thing will be weak, that the government

Not sure if poverty will be erased when there is are no taxes. In times of crisis like we have at the moment a lot of people rely on government support. If you receive the minimum wage you are getting benefits from the government. Without taxes the government has no income to support families. Who will help out if you lose your job? Without the government in place we would need other forms of support. Saying that everything will be better without taxes seems a bit unrealistic to me. Also what about police or firefighters? They are all being paid by taxes through the government. I think we would be worse off without taxes completely.

[FlightyPouch]

In the history of mankind there have been many cases when people tried to create, as it seemed to them, a more just society without taxes. All of them were defeated, because financing of common needs is necessary in any society. Another thing is how to effectively use taxes, but this is another matter.

Most of the people are in favor of taxes but the issue is they don’t trust governments most of the times with their money as corrupt politicians use them for their own purposes and needs. This is important for running a society that rich people pay some money or give it to poor to help them meeting their basic human needs and this is what taxes are supposed to do. Everybody would like to pays taxes if they know where they are being used.

Well, it is not that we don't trust the government but the thing is that they are giving us something as proof that they are corrupt government officials. Instead of using that for the country, they are putting it in their pockets for their personal needs. As far as I know, they also show where they spend the money of the people but sometimes there are trivial things being paid there. well not actually the item but the paid money is just hilarious.

[Ozero]

Throughout its historical development, mankind has repeatedly tried to establish a more just model of building social governance.  Many rebellious masses of people and their organizers tried to establish a more just society without taxes and means of coercion.  All of them were able to exist for a very short time.  The current structure of society is the result of thousands of years of accumulated experience.  To finance public needs, able-bodied citizens must contribute in taxes.  There is no other way yet.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Throughout its historical development, mankind has repeatedly tried to establish a more just model of building social governance.  Many rebellious masses of people and their organizers tried to establish a more just society without taxes and means of coercion.  All of them were able to exist for a very short time.  The current structure of society is the result of thousands of years of accumulated experience.  To finance public needs, able-bodied citizens must contribute in taxes.  There is no other way yet.

The government can't function without taxes. If direct taxes are not there, then indirect taxes are required. Only a very few countries have managed to phase out taxes completely. Examples are oil rich countries such as United Arab Emirates, and island nations such as Bermuda and Bahamas. But these countries have other sources of income, and therefore tax revenue is not necessary.

[Mauser]

Throughout its historical development, mankind has repeatedly tried to establish a more just model of building social governance.  Many rebellious masses of people and their organizers tried to establish a more just society without taxes and means of coercion.  All of them were able to exist for a very short time.  The current structure of society is the result of thousands of years of accumulated experience.  To finance public needs, able-bodied citizens must contribute in taxes.  There is no other way yet.

Taxes have been a part of western culture for thousands of years. The weren't called taxes but had different names with the same meaning. You had to give away a part of your production to the lord or king of your area, and in return he offers you protection. In todays world security and protection comes more in a financial form that with soldiers, but police is still an important part of society. Without taxes all these services couldn't be afforded.

[Vaskiy]

Tax-less Society idea won't get implemented in the near future or after long years. Each and every country government function with the tax revenue through different sectors. To the paid tax, there is no proper return or development support from the government. This is where people refuse to pay taxes and prefer the possible ways to overcome the taxation.

[Ucy]

Throughout its historical development, mankind has repeatedly tried to establish a more just model of building social governance.  Many rebellious masses of people and their organizers tried to establish a more just society without taxes and means of coercion.  All of them were able to exist for a very short time.  The current structure of society is the result of thousands of years of accumulated experience.  To finance public needs, able-bodied citizens must contribute in taxes.  There is no other way yet.

I normally see tax as a form of contributions (especially financially) by people for the well-being of their society. It's Just if done and used right. It gives you a sense of belonging knowing that your contributions is used to develop your society and that the society is not owned by people or companies that do all the contributions. 
Tax should be fair though and shouldn't be imposed on people who don't deserve to be taxed.

[Xinarae*]

Since historical times the govt has been imposing taxes on the people. the govt cannot function without taxes. The people are motivated by the budget on the idea of adequate taxes. The damage done to the country by the govt alone can never be recovered. government revenue has decreased, expenditure has increased for this reason, the govt is taking the foremost loans from the banking industry. the govt will spend money on loans by increasing the quantity of interest and VAT.

[Smartprofit]

I have idea for discussion.

How it could work Taxless society:

Independent world deflationary money for storing value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in combination with inflationary digital money from central banks valid only limited time to directly spend (buying goods and services) or you can change to deflationary money (store of value).

With transparent view of circulating supply on blockchain for each country (inflation based on growing population, number of new pensions... in last year or some other time period).

Community interests (healthcare, roads, pensions...) can be financed directly from the part of that emission with limited valid time inflationary money on annual base.

The salary received in inflationary digital money from the moment of receipt must be spent or exchanged for some store of value (bitcoin, litecoin...) in 1 year or will be automaticly exchanged for some independent world "store of value" (bitcoin, litecoin...) upon expiration of time (just example).

After expiration inflatory money would not be worth (will be "burned").

What do you think is this can be done to work?

Can a social society function without taxes?  Probably yes.  

However, for this it is necessary to change the mechanism of distribution of public goods.  Now in most countries the social system is capitalism.  The basis of capitalism is surplus value and credit.  Capitalism needs inflationary money.  

Under capitalism, it is necessary to redistribute public goods from more successful participants in social relations to less successful ones.  This requires a developed tax collection system.

However, capitalism is not the only possible social order.  There is socialism, feudalism, slave society, communism, etc. Some of them allow deflationary assets to be used as the main legal tender.  

It could be Bitcoin, Litecoin, or (for example) gold.

[Josefjix]

Since historical times the govt has been imposing taxes on the people. the govt cannot function without taxes. The people are motivated by the budget on the idea of adequate taxes. The damage done to the country by the govt alone can never be recovered. government revenue has decreased, expenditure has increased for this reason, the govt is taking the foremost loans from the banking industry. the govt will spend money on loans by increasing the quantity of interest and VAT.

This is what I was going to say. The government creates wealth for themselves through the loan and increase VAT for the national populace to pay for deregulation and the OP is hellbent on how taxes should be eliminated from the society? It is actually very impossible. Without the taxes the government can't function by maintaining the expensive lifestyles of a particular place that generates revenue either by tourism or by direct taxations. We'd still be thrilled when cryptocurrencies someday eliminates taxes.

[raidarksword]

Government runs on taxes on people and business entities that also provide contributions that serves as a collective funds for the development of the road and highways, building public schools, hospitals and any government facilities that will give free services to people and it's also needed for calamity funds if any disasters happened in the country. So, I don't think we can have a taxless society because it is necessities and really important on how government can govern the people's needs.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

Government runs on taxes on people and business entities that also provide contributions that serves as a collective funds for the development of the road and highways, building public schools, hospitals and any government facilities that will give free services to people and it's also needed for calamity funds if any disasters happened in the country. So, I don't think we can have a taxless society because it is necessities and really important on how government can govern the people's needs.

Indeed. There is no way for the government to approve or let a taxless society be implemented because without taxes, there will be no free education, free medication in public establishments, and to provide goods and services for the citizens' benefit in a country. Even there are issues about governments stealing from taxes; taxes are still important for every person's daily needs that it is impossible for everyone to live without it.

[iamsheikhadil]

The idea is nice but I don't think it's feasible. Because with inflation, even if the extra amount is used as tax, it will just not be worth as one would not find their output equaling to the input they are giving, as in the economy will go downwards at an individual level. Hence I think the present system of taxation is quite good even if the tax isn't really used in an efficient way which if it was done would have been great.

[STT]

If left up to central banks, they'll just do as they please.

In theory a FIAT standard can hold good for decades but invariably times change and the easiest path is to devalue currency in order to pay bills.    The best bet when in this situation is to rate those most able to pay, a country with a good trade balance and natural assets is more likely to order debts and currency value.   Also its natural for a country that exports alot to have good currency value as there is high demand for that currency in order to take part in trade.    Its very often the case that a country unable to export in equal measure to their imports suffers greatly in the currency and holding that currency or debt denominated in that currency is a bad bet.
   Bitcoin has no backing in this way and its why many doubt and rate it to fail long term but it hasnt happened yet due to excessive failure elsewhere.   If we had harsh competition it would drastically alter the pricing for Bitcoin I think, as the world is in transition now and probably for decades I imagine BTC will be required and do well but its still a fair criticism to say it has no direct link to trade from any particular country but online business is still expanding so Im not as concerned for now.

[BuNga_cute]

It sounds good if we live in a country without taxes, but the reality is that it is difficult to carry out the idea. Because surely the country
must be prosperous and have a large income. So the price of food and goods can be very expensive, so the government can exempt taxes
on its residents. Very rarely countries that do not impose taxes, because indeed tax is an important instrument in advancing the country.
So in my opinion it is appropriate for the country to impose taxes, but its use must be improved, because most countries do not use taxes
efficiently and correctly.