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[joker_josue]

Unfortunately in all editions of the Olympic games, there are always situations that seem a little dubious in the judges' decisions. It's always very complicated, in competitions where the winner is based on the score of a set of people. Due to human nature, it can sometimes be difficult to achieve impartiality.

Solutions? I think that in these types of competitions, it will always be very difficult to find ways to prevent these types of situations from happening.

[Jackl87]

The judging in this edition of the Olympics was below average. And as you pointed out, Linoy Ashram's performance in rhythmic gymnastics was not up to the mark, and yet she ended up with the gold. But at the same time, the performance from the Russian gymnasts (Dina Averina/Arina Averina) were also not that great. Linoy Ashram  was awarded a very high score of 107.800 despite the drop. And in ribbon, she received 23.300 (second highest). How can the judges give such a high score, despite the mistake?

As long as there are human judges involved there will always be mistakes or decisions and ratings that feel to good, to bad, unjustified or just completely wrong. In sports like gymnastics, diving or dressage riding the personal preferences of a single judge can decide if a athlete wins a competition or not. That has always been the case and i guess the athletes just have to live with that.
What i have to say though is that in certain sports the referees where really bad in this olympics for example in boxing and in football (soccer), which is also quite logic because in football the top european referees where not participating in the olympic games and the whole boxing competition was organized by the olympic comitee themself instead of the international boxing association this time.

[KTChampions]

I think the chess issue is really the lack of spectators. It is rare for there to be a significant number of spectators at chess tournaments.
It is very common to have chess tournaments in high school. But usually only this one notices the players or the most direct friends/family of the players.

Check the number of viewers on the chess-themed YouTube channels. By the way, even on Twitch, chess broadcasts are always close to the top and overtake many legendary games in terms of the number of viewers.

Yes it can even have a good number of viewers online. And at the viewers of events? Have?

Sure. Each tournament gathers a huge audience. And I mean not only big competitions but also regular ones like Title Tuesday and others.

(I'm just trying to understand your point of view).

First of all, I want to say that I'm not against the idea of Chess being part of the Olympic games.

In Greece, ancient origin of the Olympic games, they served for the players to surpass others in physical competitions. They at an intellectual level did not need to resort to that type of games. It was on this basis that the modern Olympic games modern.

And it is on this basis that the new modalities have been approved, the physical overcoming of humans in the face of certain tests.

Not questioning the physical aspect of Chess, it is a modality where the intellectual aspect is what counts and not the physical.

This is an old fight of the international chess federation. But they still haven't managed to convince any organizing country to include them in the games. This is because the inclusion or not of new modalities depends on the organizing country. All sports recognized by the IOC can apply to participate in the games, it is then up to the organization to assess this together and approve or not the sport. That's why there are modalities that some years participate and other years don't.

I understand the historical background of this question, but it seems absurd to me. For example, playing sports can hardly be attributed to a sport where physical condition is of decisive importance (for example, table tennis and especially volleyball). In my opinion, it is stupid to remain on the basis of ideas that were relevant a couple of thousand years ago. Humanity is developing and, in my opinion, sports where only physics matters will die away (like javelin throwing, etc.) and those sports where there is an element of intelligence and team play will develop.

[joker_josue]

Humanity is developing and, in my opinion, sports where only physics matters will die away (like javelin throwing, etc.) and those sports where there is an element of intelligence and team play will develop.

It is true. Therefore, it is necessary to gradually adapt to new competitions.

On the other hand, taking into account that there are records, there will always be someone who will try to surpass. So it won't be tests that will end, they may have fewer players, but I don't think they will end.

[Sithara007]

As long as there are human judges involved there will always be mistakes or decisions and ratings that feel to good, to bad, unjustified or just completely wrong. In sports like gymnastics, diving or dressage riding the personal preferences of a single judge can decide if a athlete wins a competition or not. That has always been the case and i guess the athletes just have to live with that.
What i have to say though is that in certain sports the referees where really bad in this olympics for example in boxing and in football (soccer), which is also quite logic because in football the top european referees where not participating in the olympic games and the whole boxing competition was organized by the olympic comitee themself instead of the international boxing association this time.

Artificial intelligence is not that developed to measure performance of athletes in boxing and gymnastics. So for the near future, we need to rely on human judges. And that means that every now and then, we will hear about biased scorecards. There is no short term fix for this problem. It has existed ever since the first edition of the Olympic Games. The main aim of Olympics is to display a sense of sportsmanship. But that will be impacted as a result of these controversies. We will hear about similar controversies during 2024 Paris as well.

[KTChampions]

Humanity is developing and, in my opinion, sports where only physics matters will die away (like javelin throwing, etc.) and those sports where there is an element of intelligence and team play will develop.

It is true. Therefore, it is necessary to gradually adapt to new competitions.

On the other hand, taking into account that there are records, there will always be someone who will try to surpass. So it won't be tests that will end, they may have fewer players, but I don't think they will end.

Yes, there will always be people who will test the limits of the physical capabilities of people, but the number of people who will be willing to pay for this (even with just their attention) will keep decreasing. This evolution is very clearly visible in computer games - now only team games are popular, and games where one player shows super skills are of interest to a much smaller audience.

[South Park]

There is a decent chance that a great deal of the athletes that performed well during the Olympic Games will also do so during the next ones, and the reason is very simple unlike the regular wait of four years for the next games they will only have to wait for three, while this doesn't seem to make a lot of difference it makes all the difference in the world as most of those athletes are still going to be in top physical shape and will have an easier time defending their medals.

In most sports, reaching peak shape takes no more than 6 months, so this timing shift is unlikely to have any meaning for athletes. The postponement was only important for the destruction of the athletes who were preparing for the games and they were canceled, now that everything is more or less predictable (I hope the Winter Olympic Games will not be suddenly canceled) everything is going according to plan.

That is not really my point, my point is that for this Olympic Games athletes had to wait for five years in order to compete once again during the games, I'm pretty sure that the additional wait of one year was more than enough to change the results of many disciplines simply because many athletes where one year older, after all we know that no matter the training that you receive eventually your body begins to break down, this is why it is going to be easier for the current winners to win again during the next Olympics as they you will only have to wait for three years and not four.

[KTChampions]

In most sports, reaching peak shape takes no more than 6 months, so this timing shift is unlikely to have any meaning for athletes. The postponement was only important for the destruction of the athletes who were preparing for the games and they were canceled, now that everything is more or less predictable (I hope the Winter Olympic Games will not be suddenly canceled) everything is going according to plan.

That is not really my point, my point is that for this Olympic Games athletes had to wait for five years in order to compete once again during the games, I'm pretty sure that the additional wait of one year was more than enough to change the results of many disciplines simply because many athletes where one year older, after all we know that no matter the training that you receive eventually your body begins to break down, this is why it is going to be easier for the current winners to win again during the next Olympics as they you will only have to wait for three years and not four.

Now I understand you, for those athletes who are now in their prime it will be really easier at the next Olympics. But there are many young athletes who are only now revealing their potential, so perhaps they would be glad if the next Olympics were delayed for a year. In general, on average, someone has gained from this and someone has lost, this is normal.

[joker_josue]

That is not really my point, my point is that for this Olympic Games athletes had to wait for five years in order to compete once again during the games, I'm pretty sure that the additional wait of one year was more than enough to change the results of many disciplines simply because many athletes where one year older, after all we know that no matter the training that you receive eventually your body begins to break down, this is why it is going to be easier for the current winners to win again during the next Olympics as they you will only have to wait for three years and not four.

In reality this may not have had a big effect, as practically all the athletes who were in the games qualified before 2020. Because during 2020 there were very few races that allow athletes to do the minimum to qualify. Therefore, all participants planned for 2020 were practically the same in 2021. In other words, they all became 1 year older.

Now, of course, this postponement turned out to be good for some and bad for others. Some were able to prepare better or recover from injuries, others were unable to overcome such a long period without competition.

[delfastTions]

I do not know if it is correct to write anything about the Paralympic Games in this topic, but I did not find a separate topic about these games and I think you can continue to post information and reasoning about Paralympic athletes here. 
In the Paralympic Games, there are traditionally many awards and categories of athletes.  For example, in swimming alone, there are 15 different categories, depending on what kind of disability the athlete has.  Yesterday, 30 sets of awards were played and today, too, about the same. 
Traditionally, the first places are occupied by American and Chinese teams.  And Australia looks good too

[joker_josue]

I do not know if it is correct to write anything about the Paralympic Games in this topic, but I did not find a separate topic about these games and I think you can continue to post information and reasoning about Paralympic athletes here. 
In the Paralympic Games, there are traditionally many awards and categories of athletes.  For example, in swimming alone, there are 15 different categories, depending on what kind of disability the athlete has.  Yesterday, 30 sets of awards were played and today, too, about the same. 
Traditionally, the first places are occupied by American and Chinese teams.  And Australia looks good too

Despite being an event that is not given much attention, it is always interesting to follow up.

The medal table is as follows:

[Juggy777]

I do not know if it is correct to write anything about the Paralympic Games in this topic, but I did not find a separate topic about these games and I think you can continue to post information and reasoning about Paralympic athletes here.  
In the Paralympic Games, there are traditionally many awards and categories of athletes.  For example, in swimming alone, there are 15 different categories, depending on what kind of disability the athlete has.  Yesterday, 30 sets of awards were played and today, too, about the same.  
Traditionally, the first places are occupied by American and Chinese teams.  And Australia looks good too

Despite being an event that is not given much attention, it is always interesting to follow up.

The medal table is as follows:

I agree I barely saw any promos for this on sports channel, and after seeing this post I realised that their event was on. Also I wonder how many of you’ll follow them, because I don’t have much knowledge of the participants in these Paralympic Games, so if you’ll follow them do post some insights for all.

[delfastTions]

Traditionally, the first places are occupied by American and Chinese teams.  And Australia looks good too

I am sorry for the inaccuracy.  And the truth is, yesterday in second place was the English team, which won 16 medals on the first day of the Paralympic Games, and not the Americans.  The American team had only 4 medals.  Russia has also shown itself well, which in the table is indicated not under the national flag, but under the flag of the Olympics. 
In general, Paralympic athletes cause the deepest respect in me!  Almost all of them say in interviews that they trained continuously for years without days off and only with rare holidays.  I admire the willpower of these people!

[joker_josue]

I agree I barely saw any promos for this on sports channel, and after seeing this post I realised that their event was on. Also I wonder how many of you’ll follow them, because I don’t have much knowledge of the participants in these Paralympic Games, so if you’ll follow them do post some insights for all.

I don't know many details either, but I find the Boccia category interesting.
https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/en/paralympics/sports/boccia/

It's played by athletes in wheelchairs, and it has some similarities with the curling game (but it's different).

[LUCKMCFLY]

Traditionally, the first places are occupied by American and Chinese teams.  And Australia looks good too

I am sorry for the inaccuracy.  And the truth is, yesterday in second place was the English team, which won 16 medals on the first day of the Paralympic Games, and not the Americans.  The American team had only 4 medals.  Russia has also shown itself well, which in the table is indicated not under the national flag, but under the flag of the Olympics. 
In general, Paralympic athletes cause the deepest respect in me!  Almost all of them say in interviews that they trained continuously for years without days off and only with rare holidays.  I admire the willpower of these people!

You are right, but there is one sport in particular that I like to highlight, and it is "Swimming" because most athletes are so impressive, when in a sport it is used up to the fingertips, these athletes make superhuman efforts to swim hard. speed, I believe that the limitations are not physical, I am already thinking that every limitation that grows in human beings is the mental one.

Even the training mode of these athletes is usually helped by other people as some cannot sustain themselves, and this for them is not a limitation. I think that if these people try so hard in a sport, their mental level, both self-esteem and morals, are strengthened, and sport gives bonds of friendship and respect.

[joker_josue]

Below is the current ranking of medals won by country in the Paralympic Games:



Chinese athletes are performing well in the games. As well as the English, who usually have good performances too.
Brazil, also in 6th place with the most medals, shows that it has done an excellent job in this area.

[LTU_btc]

Did you saw this athlete from Egypt who have no hands and playing table tennis:
https://twitter.com/omid9/status/1430561404445134849
He uses mouth to keep bat and smash ball and legs to serve ball. It looks so difficult - what an unbeleavable skills!

I'm also happy that my country got first medal in Tokyo. Our swimmer got bronze medal today. I hope it's not last our medal .

[Sithara007]

China seems to be far ahead in the medals table, with 21 golds (almost double when compared to the second ranking Great Britain). I noticed that Japan is not in the top-10. I hope that this is due to the fact that number of handicapped people are less there. And BTW, India has the largest handicapped population in the world and they are yet to win a medal in this edition so far. I am not surprised, because there is not much support from the government towards these athletes. In India there is hardly any media coverage of the Paralympics.

[South Park]

Below is the current ranking of medals won by country in the Paralympic Games:



Chinese athletes are performing well in the games. As well as the English, who usually have good performances too.
Brazil, also in 6th place with the most medals, shows that it has done an excellent job in this area.

The difference between first and second place is incredible, it seems China is really working hard with all of their athletes and not just a few ones, if anything I must say the results of the US are surprising as I could expect them to be up there with China trying to fight for the first place as it happened during the Olympic games, but now the distance is so big that I doubt there is any chance for the US to make a comeback as the one they did on the final days of the Olympics, which begs the question why is there such a pronounced difference on the performance of their athletes?

[joker_josue]

The difference between first and second place is incredible, it seems China is really working hard with all of their athletes and not just a few ones, if anything I must say the results of the US are surprising as I could expect them to be up there with China trying to fight for the first place as it happened during the Olympic games, but now the distance is so big that I doubt there is any chance for the US to make a comeback as the one they did on the final days of the Olympics, which begs the question why is there such a pronounced difference on the performance of their athletes?

The USA are not usually very medal winners in this category, despite always being well placed. Either way, their forte is athletics, and athletics competitions haven't started yet. Even so, China already has an advantage, it will be difficult to be surpassed.