Hey Roger, you do realize that you are in agreement with the No1 nominated troll bitcointalk has ever seen, right?
Not that it would matter to your - already - self destroyed reputation, just saying.
When BCH ATL? When zero satoshi?
Nominated by the same crew that are trying to defame and give one of bitcoins earliest proponents misleading and over stated red trust in branding him a scammer.
Nominated by the same people that when challenged CAN NOT present 1 post where I have presented a central point that they can debunk nor demonstrate is incorrect. That is their trolling.Nominated by the same crew of people that are guilty themselves of scamming and willing to facilitate scamming for a price.
Nominated by the same crew of people that have manipulated and gamed theymos's broken systems of control to try and create and echo chamber here, that they use for their own personal gain.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.0How can memory dealers be agreeing with a set of questions?? he is giving his opinion. We are merely suggesting reasons some may use to validate the need for leaving him a warning on his account.
It is apparent that Roger Ver has a STRONG POINT in that any person that seeks to have a fair debate on "CERTAIN TOPICS" even if they bring observable instances and hard evidence to support their claims, are at times, censored and shouted down by a bunch of rabble. If the rabble can not defeat your arguments or look to have had their own arguments debunked they will then seek to:
1/ give you red trust
2/ seek to have you banned
3/ claim you are a troll
4/ get their moderator pals to delete your posts
5/ enlist hoards of mornic noobs (like you) to scream support for their debunked arguments
If pushed and pushed on a point until the above tactics fail they will
1/ claim the opinions they spout in opposition to your views require no reasoning or to be substantiated in anyway
2/ claim they are no longer interested
3/ claim the truth does not interest them
4/ claim it is good when the innocent are punished
5/ change the very definition of words to their opposite meanings
In light of the above points. We are saying that Roger Ver aka memory dealers may have some VALID POINTS that can not be dismissed out of hand just because you happen to believe BTC is the real bitcoin ( that could or could not be true and does not impinge on the validity of his other points).
The people currently leaving him red trust are PROVEN scammers and have displayed multiple instances of financially dangerous behaviors.
You are siding with PROVEN SCAMMERS - this is an accurate statement but still does not null you other points (although you are obviously unable to process information at a level we could even think of being able to rely on)
I think his comments have demonstrated he is following his beliefs based on principles he truly believes in. That to us in this instance does NOT warrant him having a message screaming he is a scammer. If NON SCAMMING members here believe he needs a warning on his account it should be accurate.
I don't think a person with a huge amount of bitcoin or crypto wealth would be deliberately trying to scam people. The returns on such behaviors would be net negative.
We also think calling every alt a shitcoin is quite foolish. Some projects have developers that have created some very interesting designs. We tend to stick to developers that are also trustworthy and honest. That is one area for improvement for roger in the future. Although again investing in projects without doing your DD can not perhaps be reason for a scam tag.
Let him present his views and then analyse them by objective standards and through fair debate. No more branding people with some bullshit term like TROLL or SCAMMER and trying to invalidate their statements and points without objective analysis. That is bogus and sub optimal for the entire movement.
Try learning what a debate is.
This board operates more like an uneducated mob than a community of individuals looking to collaborate and contribute to building an end to end decentralized trustless arena.
Every argument and point should be analysed and debated on its own merits. Not dismissed out of hand on the basis of some title that "some" members feel appropriate.
We have been as fair as possible. Better not to have war between the 2 projects. He should stop perhaps being so negative about theymos and we should stop screaming scammer at him and rather engage in sensible debate. To those claiming we are negative about theymos himself, you are wrong.
Would be better if theymos and roger have a sensible open discussion on the amicable route forwards for both projects. No point having further debate on the designs since that has been thrashed out and there seems no agreement. Just better to discuss how both projects can move forward without causing friction that hampers both sides. A treaty if you want to call it that.
bch says we appreciate btc believes they can make some changes to improve in certain areas we wish them well
btc says we appreciate that bch believes they should stick more to the original design we wish them well
more highlighting the positives of your own approach rather than focusing on the negatives of the other approach.
People will likely end up holding a bit of both and using them RATHER than fiat eventually (along with a few of their fav alts)- what's the problem? Let's co-operate. We hold several alts and never feel the need to drum up fighting over the different design ideas. It is counter productive for the entire sphere.
I don't think being so hostile to roger on this board is productive when looking at the bigger picture for BTC. People tend to become negative about you when you attack them as visa versa.
We still trust in theymos to a large degree, even if he is in our opinion fucking up this board with merit and other experimental designs. Still we look at his individual assessment of other issues and topics here and find we are often in strong agreement with him, and especially his political views. He seems on a personal level a "fair person" so roger needs to keep in mind theymos is doing what he feels is correct also. People simply will disagree at times.
Less hostility from both sides = better chance of success for each.
