Is this concerning? This could be a conspiracy too.

[hilariousandco]

A conspiracy is all this is. You're not going to be banned for having a handful of posts deleted and it's likely nobody has it in for you and is just reporting random old bumps or unsubstantial posts of yours. You have a few in the queue reported as unsubstantial so that's probably why.

Good to have your voice here bud and learning about the unhandled reports. May I know the reasons given for the posts, obviously if it's possible by the moderation rule. It's just a curiosity.

And what is your view about handling reported posts back from long ago except it has malware or harmful contents and risky for the users?

They were essentially reported as unsubstantial. As for older reports on unsubstantial posts etc I tend to leave them alone but obviously not every mod will. I think it's not really necessary to report them either but people are free to report whatever they wish.

I gave you 5 merits for trying to introduce some humour into the forum.

Please note - this award is not part of a conspiracy.

It would be if you had a chipmixer signature.

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[AB de Royse777]

Yeah, I deleted a few of your replies because I agreed that they were unsubstantial.

You did your job and I am not complaining about it at all. I had two reasons to create this topic:

1. I was curious to know the reasons given when reported.
2. Should a (some) very old post (posts) worth reporting unless it contains harmful contents like malware to download or phishing link etc (obviously both offense are ban worthy)

And while we discuss about these two points the other stuffs comes as side dish like possibility of ban for too many deleted posts by mods etc.

The answer for my question #1 is very straight forward which you and hilariousandco (^ post) confirmed and it's reasonable, and I am not complaining for any of it.

For the send one, obviously we will find mods will have different views and glad to know hilariousandco's (again ^) view about it. I agree with them here (bold emphasized):

I think it's not really necessary to report them either but people are free to report whatever they wish.

It would be if you had a chipmixer signature.

Or we both (Jet cash and me):-P

Please note - this award is not part of a conspiracy.

Conspirator will always find a topic for them to stay busy :-D

[Welsh]

Yeah, I deleted a few of your replies because I agreed that they were unsubstantial.

You did your job and I am not complaining about it at all. I had two reasons to create this topic:

1. I was curious to know the reasons given when reported.
2. Should a (some) very old post (posts) worth reporting unless it contains harmful contents like malware to download or phishing link etc (obviously both offense are ban worthy)

And while we discuss about these two points the other stuffs comes as side dish like possibility of ban for too many deleted posts by mods etc.

The answer for my question #1 is very straight forward which you and hilariousandco (^ post) confirmed and it's reasonable, and I am not complaining for any of it.

For the send one, obviously we will find mods will have different views and glad to know hilariousandco's (again ^) view about it. I agree with them here (bold emphasized):

I think it's not really necessary to report them either but people are free to report whatever they wish.

Concerning the second issue then I would tend to somewhat agree, although I don't feel like someone should have a bad report because they've reported a post older than x amount. There's not any rules that say you shouldn't report posts which were posting x amount of days, months or years ago. So, its kind of a conflicting opinion in my eyes. Possibly, what I might do in the future is remove replies which have been reported on active topics only. In other scenarios where the thread has been dead for a long time, possibly mark the report as good, and message the user who reported it saying its not necessary, but I've marked it as good this time. However, if the user keeps on reporting that post, and another moderator deals with it they could game the system to get a report badge, and I'm not sure if that's even an issue to worry about.

I honestly don't know the best way of going about this, and I imagine there's a few moderators that do it differently. However, it certainly hasn't gone against you, and you can look back at my replies, and I'll have some insubstantial posts especially when I was new to the forum. I've had posts deleted before, and have even deleted some myself because I thought they were low quality on second look. Don't worry, us moderators don't have a section where we note down all the reports we've handled, and put a red mark against users

[DaveF]

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2. Should a (some) very old post (posts) worth reporting unless it contains harmful contents like malware to download or phishing link etc (obviously both offense are ban worthy)
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There should be some kind of rule / limit to this.
The problem is that I can post a link today that is 100% legitimate. Be it for a miner firmware / altcoin wallet / pdf of useful phone numbers / whatever.
And over the years the domain it is linked to falls into the hands of a bad actor.
Case in point I now own roulettecoin.cc     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=592251.0
and tenebrix.org      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45667.0

and a few others. These were legit projects with some following that more or less died.

If I go nuts and turn them into bitcoin stealing malware sites and then start reporting everyone in every thread that linked back to them for spreading malware it's going to cause a lot of people a lot of grief.

There needs to be a limit on how far back in time it goes. OR a better ban appeal process for it.

Hell I'm 90% sure I have github access to tenebrix as back in the day it was linked to a tenebrix.org email address so I should be able to do a reset / recovery.

So outside of the fact that I just outed myself, how hard would it be for me to start playing games like that. Find old dead projects that people have linked to, get some domains and go to work screwing with people.

-Dave

[Welsh]

There needs to be a limit on how far back in time it goes. OR a better ban appeal process for it.

Hell I'm 90% sure I have github access to tenebrix as back in the day it was linked to a tenebrix.org email address so I should be able to do a reset / recovery.

So outside of the fact that I just outed myself, how hard would it be for me to start playing games like that. Find old dead projects that people have linked to, get some domains and go to work screwing with people.

-Dave

This would likely be a well documented case if something used to be legit, and then turned into a malicious site. Bans aren't just handed out without doing research so there's definitely going to be some discussion on this point. Lets say that the staff member who issued a ban didn't see any evidence of this being legit back in the day, then I'm sure including this information within the ban appeal will solve the issue.

For example, if you owned a domain, and sold it off at some point, but still have links to it in your posts from when you owned it, and its suddenly turned into a malware site. You should be able to prove that the domain was moved on afterwards via domain records, and that might possibly help the situation. Being able to prove that you used to own a domain, and no longer do would probably result in the ban being removed in most instances.

At the moment there's been a lot of users getting banned for plagiarism that was posted a few years ago now that users have the tools to find this on a massive scale which is a good thing in my eyes. It has already been quoted in this thread, but theymos approves of banning anyone that has plagiarized in their post history no matter how far back.

[DaveF]

There needs to be a limit on how far back in time it goes. OR a better ban appeal process for it.

Hell I'm 90% sure I have github access to tenebrix as back in the day it was linked to a tenebrix.org email address so I should be able to do a reset / recovery.

So outside of the fact that I just outed myself, how hard would it be for me to start playing games like that. Find old dead projects that people have linked to, get some domains and go to work screwing with people.

-Dave

This would likely be a well documented case if something used to be legit, and then turned into a malicious site. Bans aren't just handed out without doing research so there's definitely going to be some discussion on this point. Lets say that the staff member who issued a ban didn't see any evidence of this being legit back in the day, then I'm sure including this information within the ban appeal will solve the issue.

For example, if you owned a domain, and sold it off at some point, but still have links to it in your posts from when you owned it, and its suddenly turned into a malware site. You should be able to prove that the domain was moved on afterwards via domain records, and that might possibly help the situation. Being able to prove that you used to own a domain, and no longer do would probably result in the ban being removed in most instances.

At the moment there's been a lot of users getting banned for plagiarism that was posted a few years ago now that users have the tools to find this on a massive scale which is a good thing in my eyes. It has already been quoted in this thread, but theymos approves of banning anyone that has plagiarized in their post history no matter how far back.

Welsh,

I understand what you are saying, I really do get it. But using your own words above it's still only possibly / probably.
So yeah, odds are said user will get their account back after jumping through hoops. But, it's still going to be a process.


It's a bit of a sensitive topic for me because when the massive plagiarism bans came in the spring / early summer. Someone I know got a ban for plagiarizing their own work.
From back in May just replace spam / plagiarize with bad links:

They can appeal to mods or admins in private if they feel like they can't make their claim publicly.

Discussed that with him. Not interested in anyone knowing who he is IRL.
Not you, not theymos, not anyone. Only reason I know is because I have known him for 30+ 40+ (crap I'm old) years. And he is not real happy with the fact that I know his forum use or the fact that I am talking about it here. But, I think this discussion needs to exist.

The other issue would be that since he has almost no merit and a lower post count it's going to be tough to make a good defense.

Yes, it's a very rare 1 off case, but it's still there. And if I know 1 person who had it happen, I will bet you just about any amount there is at least one more.
Possibly they have had an issue with another forum member and this was a push they needed to leave.
Does their SO think they spend too much time on here and it's an internal excuse to leave?
Did they cash out 18 months ago when BTC was at $20k and just don't care as much?

Could they appeal? yes.
Do they want to? possibly.
Will they because of external factors? perhaps not, or at least not now.

As I said, spamming & plagiarizing now. You're out of here. Once it's over 1500 days old and has not been done since? Temp ban with stern warning or something.

Just my view, take it as you will.

-Dave

So yeah, many people have been banned, many people have gotten their accounts back. Some have been banned, and just walked away.

-Dave

[Welsh]

Welsh,

I understand what you are saying, I really do get it. But using your own words above it's still only possibly / probably.
So yeah, odds are said user will get their account back after jumping through hoops. But, it's still going to be a process.


It's a bit of a sensitive topic for me because when the massive plagiarism bans came in the spring / early summer. Someone I know got a ban for plagiarizing their own work.
From back in May just replace spam / plagiarize with bad links:

There's a reason why I used those words, and I was careful the way I worded it. Basically, I don't have anything to do with the ban appeal process, and only know a little about the whole process from previous threads. I don't know how strict the unban process is, and I don't know what evidence is accepted. However, from my point of view the way I would handle it. I would certainly accept domain transfers as evidence that the user is no longer owning the website, and consider the context which the link was posted. However, this might also be down to the user. Any website you have publicly advertised might be worth checking in on every so often, and removing any links to ones which have turned malicious. This might sound absolutely crazy, but I believe that would be the moral thing to do. For example, any domains I've parted ways with I've made clear that its now been sold as far as I'm aware. I understand users forget to do this, and might even be too busy. However, I consider morals a priority when it comes to these sort of things. I'd also document this to the public, and message staff members about the change. Being transparent in these things, and going that extra mile that a "normal" user wouldn't do says a lot about morals, and the credibility of the person behind the account.

Yeah, I understand the issues you have with it, but I believe plagiarism should always be dealt with, and my viewpoint aligns with the forum. I haven't always agreed with the guidelines of the forum, and have voiced my opinion about that in the past, however the more I matured, and the more I used the forum I saw that the guidelines here are actually pretty decent. I think I was dead against not moderating scams because I just didn't get it. However, I actually understand why that's a rule these days, and lets just say I no longer have the opinion that I did years ago.

[RitE]

While reading this post, I came across the word plagiarism several times. I was recently plagiarized several times by several people in the same thread.

It bothered me. So I quoted the post with a screenshot of where their post was my original thought. I never thought that mods actually checked and banned people for this.

My reason for bringing this up now in this thread is because my theory is that there are several people trying to build up bitcointalk accounts in order to sell them to "would be coin devs" because I have heard of bought accounts so that the person looks more experienced than they are.

Please do take a look because the last thing this world needs is more possible scamming.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5177723.msg52473973#msg52473973

I know that what they are copying is not profound or ground breaking stuff, but that's not the point. The point is why are they plagiarizing someone else just to post?

[eddie13]

While reading this post, I came across the word plagiarism several times. I was recently plagiarized several times by several people in the same thread.

It bothered me. So I quoted the post with a screenshot of where their post was my original thought. I never thought that mods actually checked and banned people for this.

My reason for bringing this up now in this thread is because my theory is that there are several people trying to build up bitcointalk accounts in order to sell them to "would be coin devs" because I have heard of bought accounts so that the person looks more experienced than they are.

Please do take a look because the last thing this world needs is more possible scamming.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5177723.msg52473973#msg52473973

I know that what they are copying is not profound or ground breaking stuff, but that's not the point. The point is why are they plagiarizing someone else just to post?

Maybe you are onto something about where they are getting their copied posts from..
Plagiarism is pretty serious business here..  Report it as that and they will be permabanned along with any alt accounts linkable to them..

[Welsh]

Please do take a look because the last thing this world needs is more possible scamming.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5177723.msg52473973#msg52473973

I know that what they are copying is not profound or ground breaking stuff, but that's not the point. The point is why are they plagiarizing someone else just to post?

This has been a common practice of account farmers for a number of years. Basically, they copy posts made earlier in the thread, because I assume they want it to appear on topic, and less likely to be reported. However, whenever you see this sort of stuff just report it, and it will be dealt with accordingly.

[RitE]

Please do take a look because the last thing this world needs is more possible scamming.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5177723.msg52473973#msg52473973

I know that what they are copying is not profound or ground breaking stuff, but that's not the point. The point is why are they plagiarizing someone else just to post?

This has been a common practice of account farmers for a number of years. Basically, they copy posts made earlier in the thread, because I assume they want it to appear on topic, and less likely to be reported. However, whenever you see this sort of stuff just report it, and it will be dealt with accordingly.

I did report it and the outcome was that my posts showing that the culprit/farmers copied my post from Discord was deleted. Their posts still remain. Is that what you are referring to by "dealt with accordingly?"

I am still very new to bitcointalk even though my account is over a year old. I recently found out what a useful resource this forum can be. I now understand the rules, how the rankings and merit work. Still a little fuzzy on the trust thing, but rule 33 on unofficial rules I found here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

Says no plagiarism and the only detectable outcome of my report was the deletion of my post showing the proof and calling out the culprit!

I completely understand not wanting to give a false sense of security of banning the sale of farmed accounts because it is impossible to enforce, but rule 33 is enforceable.

Perhaps the moderator took too quick a glance at it. I don't know but what to do now?

[Harlot]

It's similar on some successfully appealed permaban users get their appeals approved since the plagiarized post they made was posted when they were just newbies.

I don't think any appeal has been approved if the plagiarism has been already proven. Moderators are very strict on plagiarism. Even if a user has plagiarized some years ago, the ban will be permanent and the appeal won't be accepted.

• Plagiarism: If you copy some text from somewhere, then you should have a good reason for it, and you must link to the source. Doing otherwise is plagiarism. Changing a few words around doesn't matter. If we find that you plagiarized, then you absolutely will be permanently banned, even if we find it years after you did it.

Where are you getting your facts at and are you even aware of what is happening in the forum? Here is a good example of how a member who had plagiarized was given a second chance to post in the forum again. I am talking about ChiBitCTy and he was one of the first ones to be lifted unbanned due to plagiarism, now he can post in the forum but still is signature banned for about a year since his ban got lifted meaning that he can still post but without wearing any signatures. Banned accounts now here in the forum can be unbanned by having an appeal for the account and you should convince theymos that the account has contributed positively in the forum because it is a case by case basis according to him.

[Carlton Banks]

I heard this conspiracy (or may be true) that if a user has issue with other user or if a user wants another user to be penalized then they target the user and reports their posts as many as they can.

that's not against the law, therefore it's not possible that it's a conspiracy

A conspiracy is all this is.

it's not illegal, it cannot therefore be a conspiracy

As far as the conspiracy theory goes, it's certainly possible that someone could be reporting a lot of your posts out of spite.

a theory that people are targeting users with malicious post reports is not a conspiracy, because abusing internet forums like that is not illegal, and therefore not possible to conspire about

I gave you 5 merits for trying to introduce some humour into the forum.

Please note - this award is not part of a conspiracy.

giving people merits to manipulate an internet message board (or making a joke about doing that) is not illegal, and therefore cannot be part of a conspiracy

furthermore, if you commit a crime on your own, without planning it with others, it is also not a conspiracy, that is referred to instead as pre-meditated merit-milking (which is still not yet illegal)

Conspirator will always find a topic for them to stay busy :-D

a conspirator is the perpetrator of the planning of a crime not someone who accuses others of engaging in a conspiracy.

 


I am literally begging you all, please learn what the word "conspiracy" really means

[TECSHARE]

I heard this conspiracy (or may be true) that if a user has issue with other user or if a user wants another user to be penalized then they target the user and reports their posts as many as they can.

that's not against the law, therefore it's not possible that it's a conspiracy

A conspiracy is all this is.

it's not illegal, it cannot therefore be a conspiracy

As far as the conspiracy theory goes, it's certainly possible that someone could be reporting a lot of your posts out of spite.

a theory that people are targeting users with malicious post reports is not a conspiracy, because abusing internet forums like that is not illegal, and therefore not possible to conspire about

I gave you 5 merits for trying to introduce some humour into the forum.

Please note - this award is not part of a conspiracy.

giving people merits to manipulate an internet message board (or making a joke about doing that) is not illegal, and therefore cannot be part of a conspiracy

furthermore, if you commit a crime on your own, without planning it with others, it is also not a conspiracy, that is referred to instead as pre-meditated merit-milking (which is still not yet illegal)

Conspirator will always find a topic for them to stay busy :-D

a conspirator is the perpetrator of the planning of a crime not someone who accuses others of engaging in a conspiracy.

 


I am literally begging you all, please learn what the word "conspiracy" really means

While I absolutely share your disgust with the total disregard for the meaning of the word conspiracy, and in a legal context you are 100% correct, but the word does in fact have meanings outside of the strictly legal terminology.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conspiracy

[erikalui]

I have been noticing this since few months that old posts are getting deleted. I don't even remember where I posted it but seems like I posted it years back and it was a post where I asked the OP to include me in their telegram group. No clue why that post got reported and deleted. Some other reported posts were from threads that were trashed so I can understand why they got deleted.

[TIDOVEE]

Hmm, it is possible dude, I got to understand this few months ago, but I suggest you first try to improve your posts, and if it is conspiracy, leave it to God, to avoid prejudice, make sure you are diligent enough to be at a safe side, avoid copy and paste post, speak on different topics of the forum and make reasonable contributions. Asides, they don't just ban immediately, but after one or two warning suspension. One can be banned.

[BCTinLOO]

Hmm, it is possible dude, I got to understand this few months ago, but I suggest you first try to improve your posts, and if it is conspiracy, leave it to God, to avoid prejudice, make sure you are diligent enough to be at a safe side, avoid copy and paste post, speak on different topics of the forum and make reasonable contributions. Asides, they don't just ban immediately, but after one or two warning suspension. One can be banned.

Guess what? You just made a shit post lol
Did you even bother to look at op's post history or the responses left so far here from other users?

I bet the answer is, no.

[tmfp]

I heard this conspiracy (or may be true) that if a user* has issue with other user or if a user* wants another user to be penalized then they target the user and reports their posts as many as they can.

that's not against the law, therefore it's not possible that it's a conspiracy

*my bold

It's not possible that it's a conspiracy, not because it's not against the law (not a prerequisite for use of the term), but because one person can't conspire with themselves.

[CryptoSparks]

zip

Welcme in the club, i got attacked by this too. I heard there are some badges coming so this is why they might be doing it.

quite pathetic.  

[Welsh]

I did report it and the outcome was that my posts showing that the culprit/farmers copied my post from Discord was deleted. Their posts still remain. Is that what you are referring to by "dealt with accordingly?"

I am still very new to bitcointalk even though my account is over a year old. I recently found out what a useful resource this forum can be. I now understand the rules, how the rankings and merit work. Still a little fuzzy on the trust thing, but rule 33 on unofficial rules I found here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

Says no plagiarism and the only detectable outcome of my report was the deletion of my post showing the proof and calling out the culprit!

I completely understand not wanting to give a false sense of security of banning the sale of farmed accounts because it is impossible to enforce, but rule 33 is enforceable.

Perhaps the moderator took too quick a glance at it. I don't know but what to do now?

Your report might have been correct, but it depends on what you included in the report field. If you have simply stated "copied from discord" then that's unlikely to get removed unless the moderator has time to join your discord, and check it. It's much better to provide a source, and as much evidence within the report field as much as possible. Even, if its including where the message exists exactly (what channel etc), and/or screenshots.