DT everyone? cryptoji.net agency cheating translators from the forum

[starkovblue]

I did not think that I would have to write to the forum as a victim.

For the first time, agency don’t pay me and other users for my work.

Scam accusation against this user.

User - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2525232
Topic - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5172577.0
UPD- Flag created https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=761

This user contacted me on the forum to translate white paper.



After we talked in a telegram and agreed to work. The work was done and the white paper that translated was posted on the project website.

https://epic.tech/whitepaper/
https://epic.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Epic-Cash-v7.1b-Hebrew.pdf

I also received a green light that the work was done well and there will be a payout soon.
















After that, he just disappeared and did not respond, although he came to the forum.

From the members of the epic team, realized that they paid him everything, but he decided not to pay those who did the translation for him.

I consider it necessary to WARN those who want to work with them and save them time and money.

Think there should be a review and punishment for any fraud, especially if many people from the forum were left without payment.

Thanks for your attention friends.

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[yahoo62278]

Tagged for now, update everyone if they end up paying. I may or may not revise my tag. Should't take a reg tag for companies to pay as agreed.

[Vispilio]

looks like a clear case of theft of services.

If there is still no payment after the negative feedback, you can also turn this into a flag based on the evidence presented on this thread alone
(so this thread can suffice as the reference for the "high risk" flag).

[Little Mouse]

No one other than me got paid. I had asked for escrow and they follow it. I don't understand why they didn't pay other people.
I was contacted by some other people, they didn't get paid either.
You didn't add the main account behind this agency. Main account link- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1176794
Thread link attached in the image- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105258.0





This two are the same person, they were just trying to act as different person which I caught. In fact, they were trying to act as three person.
I have tagged both as well. OP please create a flag, he didn't follow a written contract.

[TECSHARE]

Looks like theft of services to me. Furthermore they had no right to demand corrections after the fact in order to get paid. That alone is not legal unless it was agreed upon before work started. I would likely support a flag if you created one.

[erikalui]

ChiNgad0r and cryptoji are the same? I spoke with ChiNgad0r yesterday and he said that they had promised to pay in December for Epic cash and even he has written this:

Reward will be paid by a 3rd trusted part company (contract signed with them to force the execution of payment on time..in the worst case we pay them from our money and get money easily by lawyers) on december 2019.

I don't know what to trust now. I did not get paid and now these scam accusations are making me more nervous.

[starkovblue]

Tagged for now, update everyone if they end up paying. I may or may not revise my tag. Should't take a reg tag for companies to pay as agreed.

Thank you so much.
For me, assessing the situation of a user like you is very important, wish everyone led the company how do you do it  

looks like a clear case of theft of services.

If there is still no payment after the negative feedback, you can also turn this into a flag based on the evidence presented on this thread alone
(so this thread can suffice as the reference for the "high risk" flag).

Flag created.
See that not only I was not paid, but also to other users who previously worked with them.
Urge others who have not been paid for the work to write here too to understand the scale  

Looks like theft of services to me. Furthermore they had no right to demand corrections after the fact in order to get paid. That alone is not legal unless it was agreed upon before work started. I would likely support a flag if you created one.

Flag created by your advice thanks for the support mate
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=761

[starkovblue]

ChiNgad0r and cryptoji are the same? I spoke with ChiNgad0r yesterday and he said that they had promised to pay in December for Epic cash and even he has written this:

Reward will be paid by a 3rd trusted part company (contract signed with them to force the execution of payment on time..in the worst case we pay them from our money and get money easily by lawyers) on december 2019.

I don't know what to trust now. I did not get paid and now these scam accusations are making me more nervous.

It also seems to me that this is the same person think so far these are empty promises.
If they are really willing to pay, then let them take an escrow from the forum and transfer money to him. So that later he paid us. Otherwise, these are EMPTY promises that cannot be trusted.

[erikalui]

It also seems to me that this is the same person think so far these are empty promises.
If they are really willing to pay, then let them take an escrow from the forum and transfer money to him. So that later he paid us. Otherwise, these are EMPTY promises that cannot be trusted.

I too am in dilemma as I was clearly told I will be paid in December and I agreed to it as most projects take time to pay and I spoke to ChiNgad0r and not cryptoji so the terms you and I agreed to were different but the project is the same. He said he'll pay me via a third party in Nov-December so I have no option but to wait. Little Mouse was lucky to be paid via escrow. I should also do that for future translation works.

[starkovblue]

It also seems to me that this is the same person think so far these are empty promises.
If they are really willing to pay, then let them take an escrow from the forum and transfer money to him. So that later he paid us. Otherwise, these are EMPTY promises that cannot be trusted.

I too am in dilemma as I was clearly told I will be paid in December and I agreed to it as most projects take time to pay and I spoke to ChiNgad0r and not cryptoji so the terms you and I agreed to were different but the project is the same. He said he'll pay me via a third party in Nov-December so I have no option but to wait. Little Mouse was lucky to be paid via escrow. I should also do that for future translation works.

I’m used to when there is an agreement for it to be implemented.
We agreed that the payment will be in 1-2 weeks max after the successful completion of the work. More than a month has passed and received nothing

Everything was done and I was used to working honestly with people from the forum without escrow and everything was always in order.

They just disappeared and do not respond.
And when it turned out that there were not only payments to me, considered it right to open this topic in order to understand the scale of the problem. Wrote to them and I hope they will appear here and clarify the situation why there were no payments to me and other translators.

[ChiNgadOr]

Looks like theft of services to me. Furthermore they had no right to demand corrections after the fact in order to get paid. That alone is not legal unless it was agreed upon before work started. I would likely support a flag if you created one.

What do you try to support? That a bad done job should be paid? Of course not.  Too many times that projects reject a translation work as a whole (harming honest translators) because of few dishonest users that fuc**ed up.

ChiNgad0r and cryptoji are the same?

I don't know what to trust now. I did not get paid and now these scam accusations are making me more nervous.

Come on mate, you have seen me here for years, so I really don't understand how you think something like this. Of course not, Cryptoji is a company created by the boss somewhere in Asia, while I am from Spain and you can check this in all the Spanish telegram groups I manage.

They just disappeared and do not respond.
And when it turned out that there were not only payments to me, considered it right to open this topic in order to understand the scale of the problem. Wrote to them and I hope they will appear here and clarify the situation why there were no payments to me and other translators.

If you talk about me, I can be delayed sometimes because I get a ton of PMs regarding:
- marketing proposals as I work for some projects
- also listing requests as i also work for CoinMarketCap
- scams/spam

By the way , your last message is from 19th sep, and the last i sent you, weren't answered.

Tagged for now, update everyone if they end up paying. I may or may not revise my tag. Should't take a reg tag for companies to pay as agreed.

Dear Sir, don't forget that being a DT member means not just having rights, but also duties. Leaving a NEGATIVE feedback means you assume a responsibility. You shouldn't say just that you "may" or "may not" revise your tag, as you are harming a reputable user like me without having any conversation with me in advance, so hope you reconsider it. On the other side, the telegram pics could have been faked (which luckily is not the case) and you can be leaving an unfair rating. This is not far far west where cowboys can shot first and ask later, so I would ask you please to be more responsible. What I am telling you this? I was UNFAIRLY banned from the forum on June, and just because of a behaviour like yours (where global moderators don't consider they could have just made a mistake) it took 2 months until I was fully released from the ban. Don't forget that all of us make mistakes, you, me and all.

About me...
I have been translating to Spanish documents for around +210 ICOs last years, wrote 12575 posts, got 182 merits (i think hard earned and well deserved) and got "Full Member" rank.

I am also a reputable cheater/scammer hunter which helped really a lot in the forum with threads like this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105258.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125186.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110956.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122389.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117944.0

I also think helped a lot with my "positive vibes" in the past, when market was really bearish and people panicked.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2886374.msg29662257#msg29662257 (don’t panic)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5069440.0   (sold my girlfriends car to buy crypto)

I have been spreading about crypto to hundreds if not thousands of persons among the Spanish speaking community, commenting from time to time in my local boards, giving good advices and reporting every spam to make life easier to our moderator,  helped many many people asking about advices to start in the translation cryptoworld, with tools, software, suggesting how to look for reliable projects - with the only request, to help anyone else in the future, "like in the film Pay It Forward"-,...

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Regarding me in a COO position in Cryptoji as appears in website, was a misunderstanding and asked Cryptoji months ago to delete this. I don't take any decision; I just do the Spanish translations, send the message from Cryptoji to translators, and work from translators to Cryptoji. That is all.  So summarizing, I am in crypto since 2011, in Bitcointalk for few years already, and do you think I will harm my reputation? Who the hell would be so stupid to do something like that?
I hope all that of US that did the work get paid. YES, I also worked too providing the Spanish translation.. So don't be wrong, I AM A TRANSLATOR LIKE THE REST OF YOU, not an executive chief officer from Cryptoji

SO regarding what happened here. Cryptoji asked me for translators for Epic cash, he prepared the message to be sent and was clearly stated payment in dec through third party with escrow. Then, i don’t know why epic cash or Cryptoji asked for some exotic languages (bengali, tamil, telugu..) in a rush, where it was stated that payment will be paid after work's verification. This was supposedly to be paid by boss from his own pocket. I really don’t know what deal he made with others, but i remember something about a escrow which must be that bengali. I really don't know if he really paid him or not, but supposedly Cryptoji shouldn't be paid from a third party from December.

There was a problem and this is why TECSHARE's statement about no correction after work, is absolutely wrong! Many translators provided shit google translations, document format completely corrupted. So epic cash was very disappointed, I tried to do my best to look for people to fix translations as much as possible to avoid the whole of translators being harmed for the bad "work" done by a few unscrupulous souls not worth their weight in shit. Cryptoji seemed to reach an agreement and good translations will still be paid.

So, my opinion, I don't like how the things were done, this about 2 payment types, and I warned this would lead to problems. Right now, I am trying to contact Cryptoji since 7th September and don't receive any answer at all. Them who made a deal about an instant payment after work verification should be have been paid already, and the rest of us should wait until December, as supposedly there was a escrow signed with third party and Cryptoji.. Then all honest translators should be paid. If not, I myself will also ask every DT member I know to tag Cryptoji services.

[starkovblue]

No need to tell tales.

I'm honest translator and not the first day here.
The links that you brought have no relation to this case.

You accepted the job. WP was great.
The work is posted on the project website and the project managers are satisfied.
https://epic.tech/whitepaper/
https://epic.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Epic-Cash-v7.1b-Hebrew.pdf

I contacted epicteam and they wrote me this.



They themselves are not happy with your work with you and how you work with your translators.

So you agency deserve a 100% flag.
When you have agreed on something with people, this must be done. And do not disappear and hope that no one will know about it.

ps- I submitted a request only to cryptoji and its agency, haven't complaints about you since I do not know what you have to do with them.
But if you are not part of their team then ask to remove yourself from their site.

[ChiNgadOr]

No need to tell tales.

You should be more respectfull and at leats read before posting a new answer

I'm honest translator and not the first day here.

I am also a honest translator, +210 ICOS translated so far https://docs.google.com/document/d/1It3mGiOqowJXM0kplsH4SZacqNypR4c3AHwSDBB6cA0/edit

The links that you brought have no relation to this case.

It is a prrof that I'm very commited in this regard, I hate scammers, and will also ask about tagging Cryptoji or anyone if translators are not paid.

You accepted the job. WP was great.

I just  send info from Cryptoji to translator and work form translator to Cryptoji. In your specific case, your claim is fake, as you had a deal in advance with cryptoji, then contacted me, and at the end, sent DIRECTLY the work to Cryptoji, not to me.

I didn't accepted any job.

The work is posted on the project website and the project managers are satisfied.
https://epic.tech/whitepaper/
https://epic.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Epic-Cash-v7.1b-Hebrew.pdf

I contacted epicteam and they wrote me this.
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I don't know who the hell is that Max Freeman. I never contacted anyone from Epic cash, i challenge you to prove this is not true.

They themselves are not happy with your work with you and how you work with your translators.

This is fake. They were very happy with my work, the spanish translation. But If you read previous post before just talking, you will find there were some scam translations, and obviously no one will be happy with a shitty google translation.

So you deserve a 100% flag.

Not me, the flag would be deserved by Cryptoji. And you should have waited until DECEMBER as this is the time when supposedly a scrow with third party shoudl release the payment to cryptoji, and then all of us will be paid for our translations. We got also other works pending payment as IEOs have been extended, so hope this problem doesn't affect the rest.

When you have agreed on something with people, this must be done. If you read the previous post you will find there were 2 different payment agreements, and yes this should be done as stated. This is the ONLY thing I agree with you from all you wrote here.And do not disappear and hope that no one will know about it.


Once again, I am a translator, not take any decision; I just do the Spanish translations, and don't get any access to tokens, money or whatever. On top of that, I didn't dissapeared, I am around 16hours daily in telegram managing many other things and you will be able to contact me at anytime if you write me with @ChiNGad0r (as i get a ton of PMs and can be missed if you don't include @..)  or just posting in any of the telegram groups I manage as spanish ambassador

[hacker1001101001]

I support this flag.

As per the telegram conversation in the OP, the translation work was submitted and the payment was not given even after the promised date which is breaching of a written contract.

I have already dealt with cryptoji.net in the past, and they were good at there work as per my dealing with them. Them not being active with this is a bit weird to me. I am open to removing my support to the flag if the payments are made soon.

[Veleor]

<...> As per the telegram conversation in the OP, the translation work was submitted and the payment was not given even after the promised date which is breaching of written contract. <...>

I could be wrong, but judging by the story in the OP, the flag should be not the 3rd type ("violation of the written contract"), but the 2nd ("violation of a casual or implied agreement").

<...> About me...
I have been translating to Spanish documents for around +210 ICOs last years, wrote 12575 posts, got 182 merits (i think hard earned and well deserved) and got "Full Member" rank. <...>

On this moment you've earned actually not 182, but 86 merit. This can be seen on Vod’s website: https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ChiNgadOr

[Virtualface]

Same here. Did the Farsi translation and it's on the Epic cash website, which means it's been approved by the epic cash team. Still not paid.
I talked to both Cryptoji and ChiNgad0r, sent the translation to Cryptoji and he said they will send the money after closing the deal. But before that I asked ChiNgad0r how can I trust them and this is his answer:

https://i.imgur.com/pvwGX6B.jpg

So, why did ChiNgad0r tried to assure me about payments and talked about his reputation if he was just to "send the message" as he said in his post.

[Little Mouse]

@Chingad0r
You are not a translator, cryptoji has asked me to talk with you. Why? If you are nothing of the agency, why do I need to get confirmation from you? Because you are the owner of the agency, aka telegram cryptoji aka all of your boss cyramji. At some point, you tried to make me understand that you have a 3rd people on your team, but cryptoji admit that it's his alt account.

At some point when cryptoji asked me to contact with you and you again asked me to contact Ramzi, I was bored and denied the deal that I am bored with you.



And what did cryptoji said? Ramzi and cryptoji both are controlled by him.



I don't believe you. There's no cryptoji, cyramji or any other. It's you only.

[erikalui]

ChiNgad0r and cryptoji are the same?

I don't know what to trust now. I did not get paid and now these scam accusations are making me more nervous.

Come on mate, you have seen me here for years, so I really don't understand how you think something like this. Of course not, Cryptoji is a company created by the boss somewhere in Asia, while I am from Spain and you can check this in all the Spanish telegram groups I manage.

I can understand that I was promised to be paid in December and please note that I trusted you when I accepted the translation and not cryptoji. I got to know about cryptoji being the translation agency responsible for Epic cash recently so if due to any reason I don't get paid for the work, I would be disappointed with you and your reputation too would be at stake, Sorry to say that. I don't know any Cryptoji or anyone but only you. I don't know who's right and who's wrong but here all the translators except one have been paid and if they don't, it clearly means we have been scammed. I hope you understand what I'm try to say.

[starkovblue]

<...> As per the telegram conversation in the OP, the translation work was submitted and the payment was not given even after the promised date which is breaching of written contract. <...>

I could be wrong, but judging by the story in the OP, the flag should be not the 3rd type ("violation of the written contract"), but the 2nd ("violation of a casual or implied agreement").

<...> About me...
I have been translating to Spanish documents for around +210 ICOs last years, wrote 12575 posts, got 182 merits (i think hard earned and well deserved) and got "Full Member" rank. <...>

On this moment you've earned actually not 182, but 86 merit. This can be seen on Vod’s website: https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ChiNgadOr

Actually, in writing, there was a work order, and an estimate of the cost. I am not a lawyer, but what we see is a violation that falls under both paragraphs  In any case, the fact of violation not only in front of me but also in front of others is present. Three victims have already written in this thread alone.

[Kalemder]

I'm sorry for your damage.
I gave support.