DT everyone? cryptoji.net agency cheating translators from the forum

[starkovblue]

I did not think that I would have to write to the forum as a victim.

For the first time, agency don’t pay me and other users for my work.

Scam accusation against this user.

User - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2525232
Topic - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5172577.0
UPD- Flag created https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=761

This user contacted me on the forum to translate white paper.



After we talked in a telegram and agreed to work. The work was done and the white paper that translated was posted on the project website.

https://epic.tech/whitepaper/
https://epic.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Epic-Cash-v7.1b-Hebrew.pdf

I also received a green light that the work was done well and there will be a payout soon.
















After that, he just disappeared and did not respond, although he came to the forum.

From the members of the epic team, realized that they paid him everything, but he decided not to pay those who did the translation for him.

I consider it necessary to WARN those who want to work with them and save them time and money.

Think there should be a review and punishment for any fraud, especially if many people from the forum were left without payment.

Thanks for your attention friends.

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[yahoo62278]

Tagged for now, update everyone if they end up paying. I may or may not revise my tag. Should't take a reg tag for companies to pay as agreed.

[Vispilio]

looks like a clear case of theft of services.

If there is still no payment after the negative feedback, you can also turn this into a flag based on the evidence presented on this thread alone
(so this thread can suffice as the reference for the "high risk" flag).

[Little Mouse]

No one other than me got paid. I had asked for escrow and they follow it. I don't understand why they didn't pay other people.
I was contacted by some other people, they didn't get paid either.
You didn't add the main account behind this agency. Main account link- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1176794
Thread link attached in the image- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105258.0





This two are the same person, they were just trying to act as different person which I caught. In fact, they were trying to act as three person.
I have tagged both as well. OP please create a flag, he didn't follow a written contract.

[TECSHARE]

Looks like theft of services to me. Furthermore they had no right to demand corrections after the fact in order to get paid. That alone is not legal unless it was agreed upon before work started. I would likely support a flag if you created one.

[erikalui]

ChiNgad0r and cryptoji are the same? I spoke with ChiNgad0r yesterday and he said that they had promised to pay in December for Epic cash and even he has written this:

Reward will be paid by a 3rd trusted part company (contract signed with them to force the execution of payment on time..in the worst case we pay them from our money and get money easily by lawyers) on december 2019.

I don't know what to trust now. I did not get paid and now these scam accusations are making me more nervous.

[starkovblue]

Tagged for now, update everyone if they end up paying. I may or may not revise my tag. Should't take a reg tag for companies to pay as agreed.

Thank you so much.
For me, assessing the situation of a user like you is very important, wish everyone led the company how do you do it  

looks like a clear case of theft of services.

If there is still no payment after the negative feedback, you can also turn this into a flag based on the evidence presented on this thread alone
(so this thread can suffice as the reference for the "high risk" flag).

Flag created.
See that not only I was not paid, but also to other users who previously worked with them.
Urge others who have not been paid for the work to write here too to understand the scale  

Looks like theft of services to me. Furthermore they had no right to demand corrections after the fact in order to get paid. That alone is not legal unless it was agreed upon before work started. I would likely support a flag if you created one.

Flag created by your advice thanks for the support mate
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=761

[starkovblue]

ChiNgad0r and cryptoji are the same? I spoke with ChiNgad0r yesterday and he said that they had promised to pay in December for Epic cash and even he has written this:

Reward will be paid by a 3rd trusted part company (contract signed with them to force the execution of payment on time..in the worst case we pay them from our money and get money easily by lawyers) on december 2019.

I don't know what to trust now. I did not get paid and now these scam accusations are making me more nervous.

It also seems to me that this is the same person think so far these are empty promises.
If they are really willing to pay, then let them take an escrow from the forum and transfer money to him. So that later he paid us. Otherwise, these are EMPTY promises that cannot be trusted.

[erikalui]

It also seems to me that this is the same person think so far these are empty promises.
If they are really willing to pay, then let them take an escrow from the forum and transfer money to him. So that later he paid us. Otherwise, these are EMPTY promises that cannot be trusted.

I too am in dilemma as I was clearly told I will be paid in December and I agreed to it as most projects take time to pay and I spoke to ChiNgad0r and not cryptoji so the terms you and I agreed to were different but the project is the same. He said he'll pay me via a third party in Nov-December so I have no option but to wait. Little Mouse was lucky to be paid via escrow. I should also do that for future translation works.

[starkovblue]

It also seems to me that this is the same person think so far these are empty promises.
If they are really willing to pay, then let them take an escrow from the forum and transfer money to him. So that later he paid us. Otherwise, these are EMPTY promises that cannot be trusted.

I too am in dilemma as I was clearly told I will be paid in December and I agreed to it as most projects take time to pay and I spoke to ChiNgad0r and not cryptoji so the terms you and I agreed to were different but the project is the same. He said he'll pay me via a third party in Nov-December so I have no option but to wait. Little Mouse was lucky to be paid via escrow. I should also do that for future translation works.

I’m used to when there is an agreement for it to be implemented.
We agreed that the payment will be in 1-2 weeks max after the successful completion of the work. More than a month has passed and received nothing

Everything was done and I was used to working honestly with people from the forum without escrow and everything was always in order.

They just disappeared and do not respond.
And when it turned out that there were not only payments to me, considered it right to open this topic in order to understand the scale of the problem. Wrote to them and I hope they will appear here and clarify the situation why there were no payments to me and other translators.

[ChiNgadOr]

Looks like theft of services to me. Furthermore they had no right to demand corrections after the fact in order to get paid. That alone is not legal unless it was agreed upon before work started. I would likely support a flag if you created one.

What do you try to support? That a bad done job should be paid? Of course not.  Too many times that projects reject a translation work as a whole (harming honest translators) because of few dishonest users that fuc**ed up.

ChiNgad0r and cryptoji are the same?

I don't know what to trust now. I did not get paid and now these scam accusations are making me more nervous.

Come on mate, you have seen me here for years, so I really don't understand how you think something like this. Of course not, Cryptoji is a company created by the boss somewhere in Asia, while I am from Spain and you can check this in all the Spanish telegram groups I manage.

They just disappeared and do not respond.
And when it turned out that there were not only payments to me, considered it right to open this topic in order to understand the scale of the problem. Wrote to them and I hope they will appear here and clarify the situation why there were no payments to me and other translators.

If you talk about me, I can be delayed sometimes because I get a ton of PMs regarding:
- marketing proposals as I work for some projects
- also listing requests as i also work for CoinMarketCap
- scams/spam

By the way , your last message is from 19th sep, and the last i sent you, weren't answered.

Tagged for now, update everyone if they end up paying. I may or may not revise my tag. Should't take a reg tag for companies to pay as agreed.

Dear Sir, don't forget that being a DT member means not just having rights, but also duties. Leaving a NEGATIVE feedback means you assume a responsibility. You shouldn't say just that you "may" or "may not" revise your tag, as you are harming a reputable user like me without having any conversation with me in advance, so hope you reconsider it. On the other side, the telegram pics could have been faked (which luckily is not the case) and you can be leaving an unfair rating. This is not far far west where cowboys can shot first and ask later, so I would ask you please to be more responsible. What I am telling you this? I was UNFAIRLY banned from the forum on June, and just because of a behaviour like yours (where global moderators don't consider they could have just made a mistake) it took 2 months until I was fully released from the ban. Don't forget that all of us make mistakes, you, me and all.

About me...
I have been translating to Spanish documents for around +210 ICOs last years, wrote 12575 posts, got 182 merits (i think hard earned and well deserved) and got "Full Member" rank.

I am also a reputable cheater/scammer hunter which helped really a lot in the forum with threads like this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105258.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125186.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110956.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122389.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117944.0

I also think helped a lot with my "positive vibes" in the past, when market was really bearish and people panicked.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2886374.msg29662257#msg29662257 (don’t panic)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5069440.0   (sold my girlfriends car to buy crypto)

I have been spreading about crypto to hundreds if not thousands of persons among the Spanish speaking community, commenting from time to time in my local boards, giving good advices and reporting every spam to make life easier to our moderator,  helped many many people asking about advices to start in the translation cryptoworld, with tools, software, suggesting how to look for reliable projects - with the only request, to help anyone else in the future, "like in the film Pay It Forward"-,...

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Regarding me in a COO position in Cryptoji as appears in website, was a misunderstanding and asked Cryptoji months ago to delete this. I don't take any decision; I just do the Spanish translations, send the message from Cryptoji to translators, and work from translators to Cryptoji. That is all.  So summarizing, I am in crypto since 2011, in Bitcointalk for few years already, and do you think I will harm my reputation? Who the hell would be so stupid to do something like that?
I hope all that of US that did the work get paid. YES, I also worked too providing the Spanish translation.. So don't be wrong, I AM A TRANSLATOR LIKE THE REST OF YOU, not an executive chief officer from Cryptoji

SO regarding what happened here. Cryptoji asked me for translators for Epic cash, he prepared the message to be sent and was clearly stated payment in dec through third party with escrow. Then, i don’t know why epic cash or Cryptoji asked for some exotic languages (bengali, tamil, telugu..) in a rush, where it was stated that payment will be paid after work's verification. This was supposedly to be paid by boss from his own pocket. I really don’t know what deal he made with others, but i remember something about a escrow which must be that bengali. I really don't know if he really paid him or not, but supposedly Cryptoji shouldn't be paid from a third party from December.

There was a problem and this is why TECSHARE's statement about no correction after work, is absolutely wrong! Many translators provided shit google translations, document format completely corrupted. So epic cash was very disappointed, I tried to do my best to look for people to fix translations as much as possible to avoid the whole of translators being harmed for the bad "work" done by a few unscrupulous souls not worth their weight in shit. Cryptoji seemed to reach an agreement and good translations will still be paid.

So, my opinion, I don't like how the things were done, this about 2 payment types, and I warned this would lead to problems. Right now, I am trying to contact Cryptoji since 7th September and don't receive any answer at all. Them who made a deal about an instant payment after work verification should be have been paid already, and the rest of us should wait until December, as supposedly there was a escrow signed with third party and Cryptoji.. Then all honest translators should be paid. If not, I myself will also ask every DT member I know to tag Cryptoji services.

[starkovblue]

No need to tell tales.

I'm honest translator and not the first day here.
The links that you brought have no relation to this case.

You accepted the job. WP was great.
The work is posted on the project website and the project managers are satisfied.
https://epic.tech/whitepaper/
https://epic.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Epic-Cash-v7.1b-Hebrew.pdf

I contacted epicteam and they wrote me this.



They themselves are not happy with your work with you and how you work with your translators.

So you agency deserve a 100% flag.
When you have agreed on something with people, this must be done. And do not disappear and hope that no one will know about it.

ps- I submitted a request only to cryptoji and its agency, haven't complaints about you since I do not know what you have to do with them.
But if you are not part of their team then ask to remove yourself from their site.

[ChiNgadOr]

No need to tell tales.

You should be more respectfull and at leats read before posting a new answer

I'm honest translator and not the first day here.

I am also a honest translator, +210 ICOS translated so far https://docs.google.com/document/d/1It3mGiOqowJXM0kplsH4SZacqNypR4c3AHwSDBB6cA0/edit

The links that you brought have no relation to this case.

It is a prrof that I'm very commited in this regard, I hate scammers, and will also ask about tagging Cryptoji or anyone if translators are not paid.

You accepted the job. WP was great.

I just  send info from Cryptoji to translator and work form translator to Cryptoji. In your specific case, your claim is fake, as you had a deal in advance with cryptoji, then contacted me, and at the end, sent DIRECTLY the work to Cryptoji, not to me.

I didn't accepted any job.

The work is posted on the project website and the project managers are satisfied.
https://epic.tech/whitepaper/
https://epic.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Epic-Cash-v7.1b-Hebrew.pdf

I contacted epicteam and they wrote me this.
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I don't know who the hell is that Max Freeman. I never contacted anyone from Epic cash, i challenge you to prove this is not true.

They themselves are not happy with your work with you and how you work with your translators.

This is fake. They were very happy with my work, the spanish translation. But If you read previous post before just talking, you will find there were some scam translations, and obviously no one will be happy with a shitty google translation.

So you deserve a 100% flag.

Not me, the flag would be deserved by Cryptoji. And you should have waited until DECEMBER as this is the time when supposedly a scrow with third party shoudl release the payment to cryptoji, and then all of us will be paid for our translations. We got also other works pending payment as IEOs have been extended, so hope this problem doesn't affect the rest.

When you have agreed on something with people, this must be done. If you read the previous post you will find there were 2 different payment agreements, and yes this should be done as stated. This is the ONLY thing I agree with you from all you wrote here.And do not disappear and hope that no one will know about it.


Once again, I am a translator, not take any decision; I just do the Spanish translations, and don't get any access to tokens, money or whatever. On top of that, I didn't dissapeared, I am around 16hours daily in telegram managing many other things and you will be able to contact me at anytime if you write me with @ChiNGad0r (as i get a ton of PMs and can be missed if you don't include @..)  or just posting in any of the telegram groups I manage as spanish ambassador

[hacker1001101001]

I support this flag.

As per the telegram conversation in the OP, the translation work was submitted and the payment was not given even after the promised date which is breaching of a written contract.

I have already dealt with cryptoji.net in the past, and they were good at there work as per my dealing with them. Them not being active with this is a bit weird to me. I am open to removing my support to the flag if the payments are made soon.

[Veleor]

<...> As per the telegram conversation in the OP, the translation work was submitted and the payment was not given even after the promised date which is breaching of written contract. <...>

I could be wrong, but judging by the story in the OP, the flag should be not the 3rd type ("violation of the written contract"), but the 2nd ("violation of a casual or implied agreement").

<...> About me...
I have been translating to Spanish documents for around +210 ICOs last years, wrote 12575 posts, got 182 merits (i think hard earned and well deserved) and got "Full Member" rank. <...>

On this moment you've earned actually not 182, but 86 merit. This can be seen on Vod’s website: https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ChiNgadOr

[Virtualface]

Same here. Did the Farsi translation and it's on the Epic cash website, which means it's been approved by the epic cash team. Still not paid.
I talked to both Cryptoji and ChiNgad0r, sent the translation to Cryptoji and he said they will send the money after closing the deal. But before that I asked ChiNgad0r how can I trust them and this is his answer:

https://i.imgur.com/pvwGX6B.jpg

So, why did ChiNgad0r tried to assure me about payments and talked about his reputation if he was just to "send the message" as he said in his post.

[Little Mouse]

@Chingad0r
You are not a translator, cryptoji has asked me to talk with you. Why? If you are nothing of the agency, why do I need to get confirmation from you? Because you are the owner of the agency, aka telegram cryptoji aka all of your boss cyramji. At some point, you tried to make me understand that you have a 3rd people on your team, but cryptoji admit that it's his alt account.

At some point when cryptoji asked me to contact with you and you again asked me to contact Ramzi, I was bored and denied the deal that I am bored with you.



And what did cryptoji said? Ramzi and cryptoji both are controlled by him.



I don't believe you. There's no cryptoji, cyramji or any other. It's you only.

[erikalui]

ChiNgad0r and cryptoji are the same?

I don't know what to trust now. I did not get paid and now these scam accusations are making me more nervous.

Come on mate, you have seen me here for years, so I really don't understand how you think something like this. Of course not, Cryptoji is a company created by the boss somewhere in Asia, while I am from Spain and you can check this in all the Spanish telegram groups I manage.

I can understand that I was promised to be paid in December and please note that I trusted you when I accepted the translation and not cryptoji. I got to know about cryptoji being the translation agency responsible for Epic cash recently so if due to any reason I don't get paid for the work, I would be disappointed with you and your reputation too would be at stake, Sorry to say that. I don't know any Cryptoji or anyone but only you. I don't know who's right and who's wrong but here all the translators except one have been paid and if they don't, it clearly means we have been scammed. I hope you understand what I'm try to say.

[starkovblue]

<...> As per the telegram conversation in the OP, the translation work was submitted and the payment was not given even after the promised date which is breaching of written contract. <...>

I could be wrong, but judging by the story in the OP, the flag should be not the 3rd type ("violation of the written contract"), but the 2nd ("violation of a casual or implied agreement").

<...> About me...
I have been translating to Spanish documents for around +210 ICOs last years, wrote 12575 posts, got 182 merits (i think hard earned and well deserved) and got "Full Member" rank. <...>

On this moment you've earned actually not 182, but 86 merit. This can be seen on Vod’s website: https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ChiNgadOr

Actually, in writing, there was a work order, and an estimate of the cost. I am not a lawyer, but what we see is a violation that falls under both paragraphs  In any case, the fact of violation not only in front of me but also in front of others is present. Three victims have already written in this thread alone.

[Kalemder]

I'm sorry for your damage.
I gave support.

[Harold Finch]

I will support you with the redflag.
They are fools, we wanted to work with them.
Bottom line, they lost us as customers after this.

150-200$ are worth in order to crap your reputation cryptoji team?

[hacker1001101001]

<...> As per the telegram conversation in the OP, the translation work was submitted and the payment was not given even after the promised date which is breaching of written contract. <...>

I could be wrong, but judging by the story in the OP, the flag should be not the 3rd type ("violation of the written contract"), but the 2nd ("violation of a casual or implied agreement").

The contract was created at the same time when cryptoji agreed with OP about the payment here.

So, I think type 3 flag fits here.

[yahoo62278]

Torn on this ChiNgadOr role in this fiasco. Will keep the original tag on the OPs claim and wait for more evidence vs the COO. If it comes out later that he is in fact the COO, tag will be readded and never removed.

Can anyone else confirm ChiNgadOr is a part of the team and not just another translator?

[TECSHARE]

Looks like theft of services to me. Furthermore they had no right to demand corrections after the fact in order to get paid. That alone is not legal unless it was agreed upon before work started. I would likely support a flag if you created one.

What do you try to support? That a bad done job should be paid? Of course not.  Too many times that projects reject a translation work as a whole (harming honest translators) because of few dishonest users that fuc**ed up.

Sorry, your story just isn't adding up. Best case this is extremely poor management. I would advise the following course of action, innocent or guilty.

1. Pay everyone here who has a claim.
2. Get this flag dropped (which I will support if you pay)
3. Write up a clear contract for future use that protects you from shitty translation, gives you options for corrections, and clearly details all payment terms, responsibilities, and time frames.

Even if you are being truthful, these issues are result of poor management on your part. Chock up the loss as a learning experience, salvage your reputation, and move forward using a solid contract agreement that protects you in the future.

[Virtualface]

Torn on this ChiNgadOr role in this fiasco. Will keep the original tag on the OPs claim and wait for more evidence vs the COO. If it comes out later that he is in fact the COO, tag will be readded and never removed.

Can anyone else confirm ChiNgadOr is a part of the team and not just another translator?

From my chat with ChiNgadOr:

https://i.imgur.com/OBGN7YM.jpg

My chat with Cryptoji:

https://i.imgur.com/F0JCSHs.jpg

[akhjob]

Considering that I was also planning to open scam accusation against Cryptoji, sorry for being late. I'll be short with my case.

I contacted @cryptoji based on this thread in Indian Marketplace (archived). While I contacted him I was directed to contact @ChiNgad0r for the translation details. @ChiNgad0r is the one who gave me the work details. I was told that payment will be after my work gets approved. I completed the Tamil translation of the EpicCash Whitepaper and submitted the work on 19th Aug 2019. Once I saw that my work was uploaded in the EpicCash official website, I contacted both @cryptoji and @ChiNgad0r regarding payments. But both were dodging the payments, thats when I came to know the Little Mouse was paid for his work. When I pressed the issue, Cryptoji agreed to pay me by Sunday (15 Sep 2019) and got my ETH address. Original agreement was that the payment will be in ETH, but he informed that he'll pay me in USDC considering the market volatility which I agreed to. But after that, there has been no reply from Cryptoji. Meanwhile, ChiNgad0r claimed that he is not aware of anything regarding the advance payments and only on 17 Sep 2019, he told me that the payment is scheduled in December. ChiNgad0r didn't care to tell me that the payment will be on Dec for every translator until then.

Important parts of chats:
Cryptoji


ChiNgad0r


BTW, I also tried to contact few other translators mentioned on cryptoji.net as their Chief translators, but none replied except erikalui. I wish they reply to this thread atleast.

To conclude, I believe that Cryptoji broke an agreement with the translators and ChiNgad0r(COO) also had a role in this scam accusation. If ChiNgad0r claims that he is also an innocent translator like us, let him prove by sharing the chats with his boss.

[ChiNgadOr]

You can just take a look and check that I did in the past many more translations that all of you together. (except Erikalui, hats off.. he is a champion!). I know how it feels to be left unpaid for a work, so I understand all of you, but you are shooting the messenger! I did the spanish translation and helped Cryptoji organizing translators to do the job. That is all. Don't try to be paranoid (like L. MOuse's conspiration theories about multiple accounts)or look for connections. If there is some expert in computers, I am sure he will find a way to check there are different persons here: ME and Cryptoji, and a third guy which I have never talked directly to, and I really don't know what which role  he played at all. The decision, about the money, the date, everything, is always decided by the company, not me. Do you know what that means? If you still don't understand, I will explain again, I am not the company but a worker like the rest.
Here you got the end of my conversation with Cryptoji, , where it is pretty clear that  last answer received from him, is dated on 7th september. Won't share his telegram of any personal info, and the rest of conversation will be only posted after dec 2019, when payment is supposed to be done. I still hope this is all about some missunderstanding, or Cryptoji is on holiday,  or busy with something else, and this gets finally fixed.

ps: if you think you wasted your time, you don't have any fu**ng idea how much time I lost (trasnaltion+organizing translators) and still keep loosing because of this. So you can bet there is NO ONE more interested than me in solving this shit. by the way, also upset of repeating that I am not CCO or have any other chief executive role in Cryptoji.

[starkovblue]

Looks like theft of services to me. Furthermore they had no right to demand corrections after the fact in order to get paid. That alone is not legal unless it was agreed upon before work started. I would likely support a flag if you created one.

What do you try to support? That a bad done job should be paid? Of course not.  Too many times that projects reject a translation work as a whole (harming honest translators) because of few dishonest users that fuc**ed up.

Sorry, your story just isn't adding up. Best case this is extremely poor management. I would advise the following course of action, innocent or guilty.

1. Pay everyone here who has a claim.
2. Get this flag dropped (which I will support if you pay)
3. Write up a clear contract for future use that protects you from shitty translation, gives you options for corrections, and clearly details all payment terms, responsibilities, and time frames.

Even if you are being truthful, these issues are result of poor management on your part. Chock up the loss as a learning experience, salvage your reputation, and move forward using a solid contract agreement that protects you in the future.

We will wait for payments to ALL translators. Only after that the flag will be removed.
It is fair to everyone. As we all see here, there are already more than 6 people who have NOT been paid, and many have not written here yet.

[erikalui]

cyramji was online yesterday and still chose not to respond. I sent him a message today so if he doesn't respond still, I'll support the flag. Still it feels bad that he chose to pay one translator and not the others. What's wrong now?

[Little Mouse]

Still it feels bad that he chose to pay one translator and not the others.

My case is different, I have used escrow, Darkstar before the deal.
@ChingadOr
You have neg tagged me, it's not fair. I had misunderstood because cryptoji said you are the COO, retaliatory isn't a good one.
However, since there's no proof, I have removed my tag on your profile.

[erikalui]

My case is different, I have used escrow, Darkstar before the deal.

The point is that if they wanted to scam from the start, they wouldn't even accept escrow but they did and fulfilled their commitment with one translator. They chose not to pay others with/without escrow.

[akhjob]

My case is different, I have used escrow, Darkstar before the deal.

The point is that if they wanted to scam from the start, they wouldn't even accept escrow but they did and fulfilled their commitment with one translator. They chose not to pay others with/without escrow.

Cyramji was online today and I bet he ignored your messages. He was clearly planning for an exit scam.

I believe that Epic Cash team were looking for several Asian languages for their whitepaper, so in order to close the deal he agreed to use escrow in the case of little mouse. He just invested 150$ to look credible, only to claim a larger sum from the Epic Cash team and leave other translators hanging.

[erikalui]

My case is different, I have used escrow, Darkstar before the deal.

The point is that if they wanted to scam from the start, they wouldn't even accept escrow but they did and fulfilled their commitment with one translator. They chose not to pay others with/without escrow.

Cyramji was online today and I bet he ignored your messages. He was clearly planning for an exit scam.

I believe that Epic Cash team were looking for several Asian languages for their whitepaper, so in order to close the deal he agreed to use escrow in the case of little mouse. He just invested 150$ to look credible, only to claim a larger sum from the Epic Cash team and leave other translators hanging.

He ignored it. I sent him this thread link also so now he can't claim to being unaware. He has been working since long but now finally has turned to scamming. Wasted my 2.5 days on translating those 6000+ words. Will now never work with people whom I know even if they are reputed. Money first or escrow.

[yahoo62278]

Money first or escrow.

This is obviously your choice, but most translation jobs pay in tokens don't they? Very few offer Eth payments or some other payment choice other then tokens. Most token projects pay after ICO ends, so I think you'll lose out on a lot of work.

Not a big deal in most cases because tokens are mostly worthless, but some projects pan out.

[erikalui]

^Yeah, that's why I stopped working on altcoin projects as most projects of mine have failed or turned scam and the ones which paid gave tokens which never got listed on exchanges like projects of bountyhive. ETH payment was the reason I worked on this project but this again turned scam.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Gave the accused some number of days to defend himself but i guess he isn't interested, already left a negative feedback before now but just supported the flag and made it active. The accuse isn't showing any concerns towards resolving the issue, he has been active but has intentionally refused to respond to the thread irrespective of the PMs sent by others as indicated above and negative feedbacks already visible on the account.

To OP and other affected users, I'm sorry for your lost of time invested into translating for this user (project). You just have to move on now. You have done the best you could do, that's bringing this to the attention of the forum.

[starkovblue]

Update.

Cryptoji wrote to me, and instead of clarifying the situation, he said that if I didn’t remove my flag, he would go to court and put me in jail 
He also threatened to sue all translators and all who criticize the company since we do not have the right to do so 
He will not pay (maybe in December to those who behave well), although the deadlines were this month.

I believe that threats are a violation of everything that I'm used to in the crypto world.
I am ready to discuss only here on the forum and if he reads, let him write here.
Otherwise, it’s like an ostrich that bury its head in the sand.

Once again, the flag will not be canceled until all will not receive payments for the work that they did.

Given that he is already losing customers who do not want to work with him because of his problems with translators.

[TECSHARE]

Cryptoji, I can assure you that the fact that you refuse to respond to these accusations publicly alone is enough to make your reputation completely worthless. You can make backroom threats all you like, but unless you present your argument and address these accusations you and your project are done here and are going to have to start over under a new identity. Or you could pay your debts and salvage what remains of your reputation that is dwindling by the second.

[erikalui]

Update.

Cryptoji wrote to me, and instead of clarifying the situation, he said that if I didn’t remove my flag, he would go to court and put me in jail 
He also threatened to sue all translators and all who criticize the company since we do not have the right to do so 
He will not pay (maybe in December to those who behave well), although the deadlines were this month.

I believe that threats are a violation of everything that I'm used to in the crypto world.
I am ready to discuss only here on the forum and if he reads, let him write here.
Otherwise, it’s like an ostrich that bury its head in the sand.

Once again, the flag will not be canceled until all will not receive payments for the work that they did.

Given that he is already losing customers who do not want to work with him because of his problems with translators.

Behave well? We have done work and we should be paid for it so why threats and all? If he is honest, he has to respond here rather than sending threats via pms.

[Harold Finch]

This is how deceivers act. At the beginning everyone smiles and then when the moment of payment comes, they disappear. And as soon as they see that the reputation is falling and someone is not too lazy to do an investigation, they begin to threaten.

Want to assure everyone here as a lawyer, even if they go to court, he will tell them to go home.
There is no case here.
But if the deceived translators go to court they may well sue the assets of this company.

This agency has ended its journey on the forum.

The head of this company turned out to be a very big coward and is even afraid to come here to the forum and talk like a man.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You shouldn't say just that you "may" or "may not" revise your tag, as you are harming a reputable user like me without having any conversation with me in advance, so hope you reconsider it.

That's standard for DT members to say that.  It means they're being reasonable with their feedback and are willing to change it if circumstances change.  As far as having a conversation with someone prior to leaving feedback, forget about it.  You can't count on anything coming from it, and a lot of times the only thing that will get scammers to do the right thing is if they have red trust--and that's never a guarantee.  You have to value your membership here to be affected by having negative trust.

This is not far far west where cowboys can shot first and ask later

You mean the wild west, I'm sure.  And the crypto community is very much like the wild west, since payments are irreversible and so many scammers are running around stealing money, work, and everything that isn't nailed to the floor.  Nobody goes to the authorities unless the scam is huge.  And being on DT is indeed a responsibility if you tag scammers.  In this case the evidence looked pretty good.

Want to assure everyone here as a lawyer, even if they go to court, he will tell them to go home.
There is no case here.

There's a case, but I'd agree it's not one for the courtroom.  Sucks that a project scammed translators like this, and the amounts don't seem to even be that large.  Idiots.

[Harold Finch]

You shouldn't say just that you "may" or "may not" revise your tag, as you are harming a reputable user like me without having any conversation with me in advance, so hope you reconsider it.

That's standard for DT members to say that.  It means they're being reasonable with their feedback and are willing to change it if circumstances change.  As far as having a conversation with someone prior to leaving feedback, forget about it.  You can't count on anything coming from it, and a lot of times the only thing that will get scammers to do the right thing is if they have red trust--and that's never a guarantee.  You have to value your membership here to be affected by having negative trust.

This is not far far west where cowboys can shot first and ask later

You mean the wild west, I'm sure.  And the crypto community is very much like the wild west, since payments are irreversible and so many scammers are running around stealing money, work, and everything that isn't nailed to the floor.  Nobody goes to the authorities unless the scam is huge.  And being on DT is indeed a responsibility if you tag scammers.  In this case the evidence looked pretty good.

Want to assure everyone here as a lawyer, even if they go to court, he will tell them to go home.
There is no case here.

There's a case, but I'd agree it's not one for the courtroom.  Sucks that a project scammed translators like this, and the amounts don't seem to even be that large.  Idiots.

Cryptojiteam are really idiots, instead of paying everyone money (maximum 1,000$), they deceived everyone because they thought that no one would write anything about them.
But they were mistaken and the translators did not remain silent.
As a result of fraud, they lost many potential customers who were ready to work with them.
Now anyone who google their name to check will receive the data that they are cheating.
The presence of a red flag with support says that their business is over here.

[starkovblue]

Update:

Yesterday cryptoji contacted me, promised to make payments to all translators and close this topic and flag.
Let's see how the process goes, if all my debts are returned to me and other translators, then I will be ready to close this topic and the flag.

If there are translators who had problems, then write here or to his personal mail. Let's hope they solve this problem.

[erikalui]

Update:

Yesterday cryptoji contacted me, promised to make payments to all translators and close this topic and flag.
Let's see how the process goes, if all my debts are returned to me and other translators, then I will be ready to close this topic and the flag.

If there are translators who had problems, then write here or to his personal mail. Let's hope they solve this problem.

Great news! Hope we receive the promised payments without making things ugly. Will remove my support for the flag once payment is received.

[akhjob]

Good to see that he has decided to pay all the translators. And yeah, if he pays everyone, the flag can be dropped. I'll also drop him a PM.

@starkovblue Did he give you a date regarding when the payments will be made?

[starkovblue]

Good to see that he has decided to pay all the translators. And yeah, if he pays everyone, the flag can be dropped. I'll also drop him a PM.

@starkovblue Did he give you a date regarding when the payments will be made?

He did not give me exact dates, he just wrote that he was going to solve the problem so that we would close the flag. I will wait for details, communication is as in the days of writing with pigeons 

We will wait until EVERYONE receive pays for work, and not to someone alone, and then we will remove the claim.

It’s still strange for me that the team doesn’t write here, this is a bad tone of communication, it would be faster if everything was here.

[erikalui]

I spoke to @ChiNgad0r and cryptoji hasn't replied to him since over a month. Him replying to one translator and not posting on this thread and talking to ChiNgad0r doesn't seem right. If he is honest and wants to pay everyone, he needs to reply here and since he has already received the money from the project, why this delay then? He has to clear dues of some other projects too and till he doesn't fulfill his commitment, I can't trust him.

[TECSHARE]

I spoke to @ChiNgad0r and cryptoji hasn't replied to him since over a month. Him replying to one translator and not posting on this thread and talking to ChiNgad0r doesn't seem right. If he is honest and wants to pay everyone, he needs to reply here and since he has already received the money from the project, why this delay then? He has to clear dues of some other projects too and till he doesn't fulfill his commitment, I can't trust him.

I would like to remind cryptoji that dropping of a flag requires not only full restitution to all harmed parties, but ALSO forgiveness from EVERY harmed party. This whole game where you don't address the community and do quiet backroom deals is not convincing anyone you deserve forgiveness. You aren't going to be allowed to just quietly slink away from this. Your silence speaks volumes.

[starkovblue]

I spoke to @ChiNgad0r and cryptoji hasn't replied to him since over a month. Him replying to one translator and not posting on this thread and talking to ChiNgad0r doesn't seem right. If he is honest and wants to pay everyone, he needs to reply here and since he has already received the money from the project, why this delay then? He has to clear dues of some other projects too and till he doesn't fulfill his commitment, I can't trust him.

I would like to remind cryptoji that dropping of a flag requires not only full restitution to all harmed parties, but ALSO forgiveness from EVERY harmed party. This whole game where you don't address the community and do quiet backroom deals is not convincing anyone you deserve forgiveness. You aren't going to be allowed to just quietly slink away from this. Your silence speaks volumes.

Given that there was no response from him, the comments are unnecessary.

[TECSHARE]

I spoke to @ChiNgad0r and cryptoji hasn't replied to him since over a month. Him replying to one translator and not posting on this thread and talking to ChiNgad0r doesn't seem right. If he is honest and wants to pay everyone, he needs to reply here and since he has already received the money from the project, why this delay then? He has to clear dues of some other projects too and till he doesn't fulfill his commitment, I can't trust him.

I would like to remind cryptoji that dropping of a flag requires not only full restitution to all harmed parties, but ALSO forgiveness from EVERY harmed party. This whole game where you don't address the community and do quiet backroom deals is not convincing anyone you deserve forgiveness. You aren't going to be allowed to just quietly slink away from this. Your silence speaks volumes.

Given that there was no response from him, the comments are unnecessary.

That is the whole point of making the comment, because he is not making any public statements.

[ChiNgadOr]

I spoke to @ChiNgad0r and cryptoji hasn't replied to him since over a month. Him replying to one translator and not posting on this thread and talking to ChiNgad0r doesn't seem right. If he is honest and wants to pay everyone, he needs to reply here and since he has already received the money from the project, why this delay then? He has to clear dues of some other projects too and till he doesn't fulfill his commitment, I can't trust him.

Regarding this.. i tried many times, and still the last message received from Cryptoji is from 7th sep, so 44 days ago.

[cyramji]

all the year with no signle problem , they are all members here in the forum and the can confirm that one by one .

 

The arabic translator who is also an EPIC moderator attended everything and he knows what happened with details , you can all reach him out for confirmations.



Now , we are ready to solve this problem even though the damage we got from this thread is higher than what it costs to solve it .We had limited resources since we work for unlisted tokens , we tried to reach all the project members we work with personally and they are ready to pay our translators  now in the condition of solving this problem and proving the opposite of this claim.



We  will do half of the payment for all the new hired translators as a proof of our good seek in condition of denying every single scam claim against us , rest payment will be completed just after clearing things up ,

The rest translators will get their payment in december as the contract said. I am not sure is this is allowed in the forum regulations but I can't see other way to solve this (propositions are welcome)



Sorry again, this is our first fault since more than a year .We learned a lot from it , We believe it wont repeat again . Sorry for everyone he put efforts and time trying to help or trying to analyse here in the comments , apologies

[Little Mouse]

Sorry again, this is our first fault since more than a year .We learned a lot from it , We believe it wont repeat again . Sorry for everyone he put efforts and time trying to help or trying to analyse here in the comments , apologies

Not paying translator is mere mistake than not engaging with them or avoiding them. You could have responded here long ago, it wouldn't cost much, I mean your reputation. Having conversation with the translator and promising them to pay soon isn't a good deal.

[akhjob]

all the year with no signle problem , they are all members here in the forum and the can confirm that one by one .

The arabic translator who is also an EPIC moderator attended everything and he knows what happened with details , you can all reach him out for confirmations.

As you are the CEO of the translation, it would be better to hear it from you the real reason for the lack of communication with the translators once the work is completed rather than from another translator.

Now , we are ready to solve this problem even though the damage we got from this thread is higher than what it costs to solve it .We had limited resources since we work for unlisted tokens , we tried to reach all the project members we work with personally and they are ready to pay our translators  now in the condition of solving this problem and proving the opposite of this claim.

There wouldn't be a reputation thread, if you had just honestly answered  the private messages of the translators. The thread is result of ignoring and threatening the translators. Anyways, it's a good start that you have decided to pay the translators.

We  will do half of the payment for all the new hired translators as a proof of our good seek in condition of denying every single scam claim against us , rest payment will be completed just after clearing things up ,

The rest translators will get their payment in december as the contract said. I am not sure is this is allowed in the forum regulations but I can't see other way to solve this (propositions are welcome)

Sorry again, this is our first fault since more than a year .We learned a lot from it , We believe it wont repeat again . Sorry for everyone he put efforts and time trying to help or trying to analyse here in the comments , apologies

This was not the original agreement. Initially, I was told that the payment will be done on work approval in ETH by ChiNgad0r. So when I contacted you regarding the payments on finding my translation uploaded on the Epic Cash Website , you said that you'll be paying me and other translators in USDC on Sunday (15th September 2019). After which there has been no response from you until now. How long are you planning to feed fall hopes to your translators? Why don't you give an exact date by which we can receive the payment.

I can't speak on behalf of other translators but yeah I'm ok with receiving half of the payment before 31st October 2019 and the other half before 31st December 2019.

[starkovblue]

all the year with no signle problem , they are all members here in the forum and the can confirm that one by one .

 

The arabic translator who is also an EPIC moderator attended everything and he knows what happened with details , you can all reach him out for confirmations.



Now , we are ready to solve this problem even though the damage we got from this thread is higher than what it costs to solve it .We had limited resources since we work for unlisted tokens , we tried to reach all the project members we work with personally and they are ready to pay our translators  now in the condition of solving this problem and proving the opposite of this claim.



We  will do half of the payment for all the new hired translators as a proof of our good seek in condition of denying every single scam claim against us , rest payment will be completed just after clearing things up ,

The rest translators will get their payment in december as the contract said. I am not sure is this is allowed in the forum regulations but I can't see other way to solve this (propositions are welcome)



Sorry again, this is our first fault since more than a year .We learned a lot from it , We believe it wont repeat again . Sorry for everyone he put efforts and time trying to help or trying to analyse here in the comments , apologies

I already thought you won’t write. Why did you wait so long to give your answer, although I wrote to you to give an answer here?  

Once again, we had a payment agreement IMMEDIATELY after the translation completed.

And as soon as I completed it, you disappeared and did not answer.
And if I had not created this topic, then probably you would not have answered?

The fact that you agreed with SOMEONE about paying in December is your agreement with THEM.

With ME, the contract was for payment immediately after the work done(and this can be seen in the screenshots in the first message), and you did not fulfill it  

You have my eth address for translation, as well as the addresses of all those who completed the work but never received payment for it  

You didn’t pay anyone, and that’s why the administration made the flags.

[cyramji]

Once again waiting for confirmations to start distributing the payment , the contract was (when work approved ) , you work has not been approved neither b our side nor by the project team side. and till now no single proofreader approve it . It was an emergency to publish it on the website because of main net early launch date , read the contract again ' after work approved".We did not break any contract with you . As I said all professional translators from this forum are working with us for more than a year , check the reputation thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123354.0.
You dont have the right to claim a scam without a proof , if you cant unedrstand what "after work approved" , that is your problem . 20 translators are fine to get their payment on december , 11 translators  are assumed to get paid after work approved , after the project team said ok someone reviewed it and the work is good ,this is the contract . we were about to pay you without work approved as I contacted you on sunday  , the scam accusation comes and everything is damaged ,

We can hire a lawyer to check the telegram msg to see if the contract has been broken or not , there is no single specific date . The damage your thread caused to us is more than you can afford to pay ,

Again we offer a middle solution to solve the problem and close everything , we are not relying on this forum to get the neither clients and we never got a client from this forum , the work is going fine but the translators from this forum they worked with us will lose a lot since the projects we worked on for tokens refused to pay them untill everythig is cleared. This red flag wont affect us as much as it will affect the translators.

[Virtualface]

Once again waiting for confirmations to start distributing the payment , the contract was (when work approved ) , you work has not been approved neither b our side nor by the project team side. and till now no single proofreader approve it . It was an emergency to publish it on the website because of main net early launch date , read the contract again ' after work approved".We did not break any contract with you . As I said all professional translators from this forum are working with us for more than a year , check the reputation thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123354.0.
You dont have the right to claim a scam without a proof , if you cant unedrstand what "after work approved" , that is your problem . 20 translators are fine to get their payment on december , 11 translators  are assumed to get paid after work approved , after the project team said ok someone reviewed it and the work is good ,this is the contract . we were about to pay you without work approved as I contacted you on sunday  , the scam accusation comes and everything is damaged ,

We can hire a lawyer to check the telegram msg to see if the contract has been broken or not , there is no single specific date . The damage your thread caused to us is more than you can afford to pay ,

Again we offer a middle solution to solve the problem and close everything , we are not relying on this forum to get the neither clients and we never got a client from this forum , the work is going fine but the translators from this forum they worked with us will lose a lot since the projects we worked on for tokens refused to pay them untill everythig is cleared. This red flag wont affect us as much as it will affect the translators.

I think choosing not to answer to translators is the reason of this thread. You could have answered to prevent such a thing from happening.
One month of silence, few posts on the main thread and then finally this thread. It's not like he suddenly decided to post it here.

Even right now, I asked you on telegram when can I expect to receive the first half of the money, and you didn't answer that too. I don't know why it's so hard to answer simple questions.

[cyramji]

Another time , waiting for the solution to aproved by moderators ,,,

[starkovblue]

Once again waiting for confirmations to start distributing the payment , the contract was (when work approved ) , you work has not been approved neither b our side nor by the project team side. and till now no single proofreader approve it . It was an emergency to publish it on the website because of main net early launch date , read the contract again ' after work approved".We did not break any contract with you . As I said all professional translators from this forum are working with us for more than a year , check the reputation thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123354.0.
You dont have the right to claim a scam without a proof , if you cant unedrstand what "after work approved" , that is your problem . 20 translators are fine to get their payment on december , 11 translators  are assumed to get paid after work approved , after the project team said ok someone reviewed it and the work is good ,this is the contract . we were about to pay you without work approved as I contacted you on sunday  , the scam accusation comes and everything is damaged ,

We can hire a lawyer to check the telegram msg to see if the contract has been broken or not , there is no single specific date . The damage your thread caused to us is more than you can afford to pay ,

Again we offer a middle solution to solve the problem and close everything , we are not relying on this forum to get the neither clients and we never got a client from this forum , the work is going fine but the translators from this forum they worked with us will lose a lot since the projects we worked on for tokens refused to pay them untill everythig is cleared. This red flag wont affect us as much as it will affect the translators.

I think choosing not to answer to translators is the reason of this thread. You could have answered to prevent such a thing from happening.
One month of silence, few posts on the main thread and then finally this thread. It's not like he suddenly decided to post it here.

Even right now, I asked you on telegram when can I expect to receive the first half of the money, and you didn't answer that too. I don't know why it's so hard to answer simple questions.

In our agreement with him were the payment dates, immediately after the completion of work.
The work was done perfectly, which means that payment was already due.
But almost two months passed and nothing happened.

I am ready to divide his payment into two parts, just like you, but only if escrow from this forum will be involved.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439910.0

Too many agreements were not fulfilled that only escrow from the forum can guarantee the honest execution of all translations.
Let's wait for what the other translators will say who also paid nothing for doing work.

P.S- The fact that he finally came to open conversation on the forum is already pleasing.

[cyramji]

There is a differnet between "after work approved" and 'after completion" , I think it is obivious for everyone , you did not asked for more details and we were very cautions in choosing our words , we have received more than 10 scam translations only for the same whitepaper you worked on , how can you expect us to pay for something not approved by a native speaker , ? (I am not accusing your work quality here)

You can search for the legal meaning of word "approved",

Another time , for everyone who claim a scam , for the moderators they gave us Red flag , we are here to solve the problem,,,

[Harold Finch]

There is a differnet between "after work approved" and 'after completion" , I think it is obivious for everyone , you did not asked for more details and we were very cautions in choosing our words , we have received more than 10 scam translations only for the same whitepaper you worked on , how can you expect us to pay for something not approved by a native speaker , ? (I am not accusing your work quality here)

You can search for the legal meaning of word "approved",

Another time , for everyone who claim a scam , for the moderators they gave us Red flag , we are here to solve the problem,,,

Stop trying to justify yourself and your worthless translation shitty agency.

You deceived the translators and when you were caught in the ass, you disappeared like a coward who crap in his pants  
Haven’t seen such a shameful obedience in this forum for a long time, sure that after such a deception no one will work with you.

You have earned several negative reviews at once.

[starkovblue]

There is a differnet between "after work approved" and 'after completion" , I think it is obivious for everyone , you did not asked for more details and we were very cautions in choosing our words , we have received more than 10 scam translations only for the same whitepaper you worked on , how can you expect us to pay for something not approved by a native speaker , ? (I am not accusing your work quality here)

You can search for the legal meaning of word "approved",

Another time , for everyone who claim a scam , for the moderators they gave us Red flag , we are here to solve the problem,,,

You are lying and I’m have evidence from the correspondence in telegram.
Here is a screenshot of your message.
    MAYBE SUNDAY WOULD BE A MAX DATE FOR PAYMENT   



My words are confirmed by another translator who works for you.

This was not the original agreement. Initially, I was told that the payment will be done on work approval in ETH by ChiNgad0r. So when I contacted you regarding the payments on finding my translation uploaded on the Epic Cash Website , you said that you'll be paying me and other translators in USDC on Sunday (15th September 2019). After which there has been no response from you until now. How long are you planning to feed fall hopes to your translators? Why don't you give an exact date by which we can receive the payment.

By our agreement, you were supposed to pay on Sunday, 15 September.

But instead, you disappeared and stopped responding to messages that the words of other translators prove here. Or do they also lie or didn’t understand something?

The work was perfectly done, and in correspondence with those who ordered translate from you(epiccash team), there was confirmation of this great work.

You should have paid, but you did not. Stop deceiving everyone here that you are innocent. The flag will be removed only if you pay all translators and not a minute earlier.
If moderators read here, check out the reviews, as well as screenshots.

[akhjob]

There is a differnet between "after work approved" and 'after completion" , I think it is obivious for everyone , you did not asked for more details and we were very cautions in choosing our words,
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Yeah, you are cautious, for that, I give you credit.

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We  will do half of the payment for all the new hired translators as a proof of our good seek in condition of denying every single scam claim against us , rest payment will be completed just after clearing things up ,

The rest translators will get their payment in december as the contract said. I am not sure is this is allowed in the forum regulations but I can't see other way to solve this (propositions are welcome)
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Since you are very cautious in choosing words, let's get more clarity on what you have proposed

We will do half of the payment for all the new hired translators

When is this exactly, this year? next year? or are you even planning to pay?

rest payment will be completed just after clearing things up

Clearing what? you mean clearing the mess in your room or the mess you had done to the translators by using cautious word selection.

The rest translators will get their payment in december as the contract said

So by December, you mean December 2019 or December 2100?


Why don't you cut your shitty excuses and start paying the translators to get the flag dropped. Btw, it was funny to see that Jatawneh has left you a positive feedback a few days back. I have pmed him to share his story here with payment details.

[Little Mouse]

Btw, it was funny to see that Jatawneh has left you a positive feedback a few days back. I have pmed him to share his story here with payment details.

That's IRONY.
cyramji is paying selectively who didn't stand against them? Or it's a fake feedback?
It's really stupid that cyramji still didn't pay and trying to defend his mistakes. In my early contract which I didn't accept though, he said me to pay December. But it seems the contract was different for different users.
Jatawneh is arabic translator, I had talked with him regarding Epic Cash and at some point he said me cyramji hasn't paid yet. It was September 25 probably and the feedback is from October. If he can get paid, what's wrong with others?

[erikalui]

I am OK with receiving half payment this month and half payment by December 2019. My ETH address is with ChiNgadOr already.

[Jatawneh]

Btw, it was funny to see that Jatawneh has left you a positive feedback a few days back. I have pmed him to share his story here with payment details.

Hello yes I receive my payment and I hope he pay for all the translators if he did not pay i will remove the positive feedback .
why I am paid is Coz he still has some fund with Epic cash team , i do not know how much but I am a community manager in EPIC Cash and he was instructed by the team to pay me for the translation.
 

TXID = B20ED549EEBBB4831C5FFFF9200E9EC329BAFD5EF8E07166015248D2BEC1FF8D
Address= bnb136ns6lfw4zs5hg4n85vdthaad7hq5m4gtkgf23   
Memo = 107448883
Amount = 11.46

[cyramji]

Btw, it was funny to see that Jatawneh has left you a positive feedback a few days back. I have pmed him to share his story here with payment details.

Hello yes I receive my payment and I hope he pay for all the translators if he did not pay i will remove the positive feedback .
why I am paid is Coz he still has some fund with Epic cash team , i do not know how much but I am a community manager in EPIC Cash and he was instructed by the team to pay me for the translation.
 

TXID = B20ED549EEBBB4831C5FFFF9200E9EC329BAFD5EF8E07166015248D2BEC1FF8D
Address= bnb136ns6lfw4zs5hg4n85vdthaad7hq5m4gtkgf23   
Memo = 107448883
Amount = 11.46

Maybe you can explain what happened more in details ?

[TECSHARE]

all the year with no signle problem , they are all members here in the forum and the can confirm that one by one .

 

The arabic translator who is also an EPIC moderator attended everything and he knows what happened with details , you can all reach him out for confirmations.



Now , we are ready to solve this problem even though the damage we got from this thread is higher than what it costs to solve it .We had limited resources since we work for unlisted tokens , we tried to reach all the project members we work with personally and they are ready to pay our translators  now in the condition of solving this problem and proving the opposite of this claim.



We  will do half of the payment for all the new hired translators as a proof of our good seek in condition of denying every single scam claim against us , rest payment will be completed just after clearing things up ,

The rest translators will get their payment in december as the contract said. I am not sure is this is allowed in the forum regulations but I can't see other way to solve this (propositions are welcome)



Sorry again, this is our first fault since more than a year .We learned a lot from it , We believe it wont repeat again . Sorry for everyone he put efforts and time trying to help or trying to analyse here in the comments , apologies

That's not how this works. You don't get to leverage payments you already agreed to to force people to remove ratings for you. YOU are in breech of contract first, thus you hold all the liabilities. In fact everyone who made translations at this point doesn't even owe you corrections because you owe them payment for the violated contract but they are released form all of its obligations under the law. You had plenty of time to make your case to the community but you instead opted to threaten users behind the scenes and try to bully them into favorable resolutions for yourself. You are only digging your hole deeper. Pay EVERYONE 100%. Once that is done I will be happy to personally advocate for people removing your ratings. You aren't in charge any more. You failed to manage your project properly then ignored the communities demands you explain yourself. Now once you realized there was a price to be paid for doing this now you want to pretend to cooperate, but still actually just continue to dictate terms. No. You make it right or your reputation here will forever carry those marks. You let this get so far out of hand the community had to get involved, you aren't in charge any more, now you get to take orders or live with the consequences of your actions. Choose which you prefer.

[Little Mouse]

Maybe you can explain what happened more in details ?

Why don't you share what happened in detail? You said this topic has cost you a lot, but if you shared what's going around, if you would respond here with logical arguments, I doubt all this things would happen. Rather you choose the more complex way to solve it.

[Jatawneh]

Maybe you can explain what happened more in details ?

I translated epic cash wp i was contacted by your CEO Ramzi to do the translation,
after that i start DM Ramzi for payment but he did not replay me back, I talk to Epic Cash team as I am doing community work for them and I told them I need the agency translation to pay for my work, so the team when they send you 2400$ they ask you to pay me.
in my DM to you I ask you to pay other translators but I am not sure how many translator you pay.
Pls Pay people for the work they do.

you say you will solve this and pay but I cant see any progress.  

I give positive feed at Trust summary base in the fact that you pay me and base in the what you told me, that you will pay other people ,
I will delete this and not give any feed until you pay all.

Facts I know:
  


1.  Each wp you charge 400usd

2.before work you receive deposit half pay.  (23*200= approximate 4600 usd)

3. after mainnet you receive 2400 usd.  and that when team ask you to pay me.

so You receive 75% pay of the translation work you did for Epic.  

pls. pay the translators.





 

[cyramji]

https://imgur.com/a/57U5qmU

Look if I wanted to scam you all , why I am talking to you  now ? I did not get your point , I dont know what you wanna reach from all this endless discussion , You wanna get paid ? you want to approve you are right ? I said sorry was wrong , I did not treat things as It should be , I said sorry multiple time , I am over all this now . I proposed a solution , waiting for confirmation , Half payment will be sent first , this thread deleted. all the accusations should be removed , second half payment received , cut this out. I understand you anger and your point , but what happened happened , I am sorry and am over it , This is my last msg here.

[RapTarX]

https://imgur.com/a/57U5qmU

Look if I wanted to scam you all , why I am talking to you  now ? I did not get your point , I dont know what you wanna reach from all this endless discussion , You wanna get paid ? you want to approve you are right ? I said sorry was wrong , I did not treat things as It should be , I said sorry multiple time , I am over all this now . I proposed a solution , waiting for confirmation , Half payment will be sent first , this thread deleted. all the accusations should be removed , second half payment received , cut this out. I understand you anger and your point , but what happened happened , I am sorry and am over it , This is my last msg here.

If you pay all the translators accordingly, this thread is nothing subjective to harm your reputation. As per the previous post, you already have received 75% of the payment. Then what has restricted you not paying the translators? Why this thread must be deleted after half payment, if you settle down the problem, the topic will contain zero value.

[TECSHARE]

https://imgur.com/a/57U5qmU

Look if I wanted to scam you all , why I am talking to you  now ? I did not get your point , I dont know what you wanna reach from all this endless discussion , You wanna get paid ? you want to approve you are right ? I said sorry was wrong , I did not treat things as It should be , I said sorry multiple time , I am over all this now . I proposed a solution , waiting for confirmation , Half payment will be sent first , this thread deleted. all the accusations should be removed , second half payment received , cut this out. I understand you anger and your point , but what happened happened , I am sorry and am over it , This is my last msg here.

Save the indignation. You fucked up, now you are suffering the consequences. You don't get to dictate or make any demands, you lost that right the moment you violated the contracts and more so when you ignored the community request for your side of the story. You forced community involvement and resolution of this issue, now we are here commanding YOU.

Pay ALL translators, NOW, an IN FULL. You don't get to make any demands. At this point you will be lucky to salvage your reputation after this is over. You had plenty of opportunity to make your case and you decided to blow the whole community who you depend on off. You fucked up, now deal with the consequences, or shut down your project and leave because those are your options.

[endlasuresh]

https://imgur.com/a/57U5qmU

Look if I wanted to scam you all , why I am talking to you  now ? I did not get your point , I dont know what you wanna reach from all this endless discussion , You wanna get paid ? you want to approve you are right ? I said sorry was wrong , I did not treat things as It should be , I said sorry multiple time , I am over all this now . I proposed a solution , waiting for confirmation , Half payment will be sent first , this thread deleted. all the accusations should be removed , second half payment received , cut this out. I understand you anger and your point , but what happened happened , I am sorry and am over it , This is my last msg here.

You said no private message on messenger, so when you are going to pay? we have nothing to do with moderators or anyone.
Please pay the amount as per agreement what you told. Why are you wasting our precious time.

[starkovblue]

https://imgur.com/a/57U5qmU

Look if I wanted to scam you all , why I am talking to you  now ? I did not get your point , I dont know what you wanna reach from all this endless discussion , You wanna get paid ? you want to approve you are right ? I said sorry was wrong , I did not treat things as It should be , I said sorry multiple time , I am over all this now . I proposed a solution , waiting for confirmation , Half payment will be sent first , this thread deleted. all the accusations should be removed , second half payment received , cut this out. I understand you anger and your point , but what happened happened , I am sorry and am over it , This is my last msg here.

You see why we are all outraged, you don’t want to make contact and refuse to answer claims.
On this forum, this does not work.
If you ordered a job from us that everyone did, you have to pay. Otherwise, you are deceiving everyone.

It has been several months now and you did not pay the translators (only to the one who conducted the transaction through the escrow), so the agreements were disrupted by YOU.

[ChiNgadOr]

Last message received from Cryptoji is from 7th september. He appears connected in telegram but don't read or answer my messages.
You really can't understand how I feel.. not just for the huge amount of work with my spanish translations but also for having to contact and organize the works of so many translators.. some of them good friends I made along the way and many new guys I really dont know. I worked for 13 projects, and only received tokens (worthless/useless right now) of 2 projects as payment for my translations.
I feel very sorry for all this what happened and want to apologize for all.
If everything was fine, we shouldn't be having this discussion. so I don't underst why is cryptoji silent.. Anyway, Cryptoji claimed payment on december, let's wait until then

[erikalui]

One month to go so will wait till December but the way he is silent doesn't sound convincing at all. He asked me my ETH address and I gave it to him. Let's hope he pays now.

[endlasuresh]

He won't pay anything as he is just looking to get out from the Negative trust, what I can say when he received 75% should have paid to everyone, but he isn't
He also asked my Ether address and never paid a dime.

[aundroid]

Last message received from Cryptoji is from 7th september. He appears connected in telegram but don't read or answer my messages.

Same with me. No reaction to any message.
He still owes me the payment for two projects:
First for the website of 2key and then for the whitepaper of Epic Cash.

Since I'm really annoyed by the fact that I don't get any response, I have supported the flag for now.

[Virtualface]

So ... it's December. Where are the payments?

[dirgayeah]

Already 4 months waiting for our payment and now it's december, and Ramzi still not make any noise again right here. Already sent PM to him on October but he just reads and ignored my message. So it's my turn to support the flag.

[ChiNgadOr]

I was going to check cyrptoji.net website and just realized that domain expired. This is why this scammer said payment in december. He seems to have planned all this in advance.
But i keep COPIES OF EVERYTHING to place a formal lawsuit against him.
ps: just for your info, He aded me as COO despite I asked him many times to remove me from there.. also got copy of these conversations. I haven't any kind of contract and received any payment for all my work as translator, except some tokens form Bitwin and Securypto, so he is probably out there spending all the money received.
I am very very sorry for all my translator friends and new translators he asked me to contact to ask to work for cryptoji.
Acording to the info available, he studied electrical engineering specialized in control in Algeria, his location and devices everytime he connected to internet in the past can be also tracked....think I know the right pwople to find this Ramzi Belatreche.

Her eyou got a copy of website

[akhjob]

I was going to check cyrptoji.net website and just realized that domain expired. This is why this scammer said payment in december. He seems to have planned all this in advance.
-snip-

Her eyou got a copy of website

Code:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/sMKUoG8.jpg[/img]

No need for a long image  I archived the website 2 months ago when I made a post in the reputation thread as I believed this would happen. You can find it here
It was very clear that he was scamming us and was trying to get the remaining payment from EPIC Cash Team. I hope that EPIC Cash Team didn't settle the remaining payment.

[erikalui]

I sent him a message on telegram but know that he won't reply nor would he post here again. Has anyone contacted Epic Cash project team to find out if he received the full payment?

[starkovblue]

So ... it's December. Where are the payments?

Will be surprised if he pays, the next time we need to work through an escrow on a forum that always gives a 100% guarantee.
It's funny that he himself supported his flag.

[dirgayeah]

I sent him a message on telegram but know that he won't reply nor would he post here again. Has anyone contacted Epic Cash project team to find out if he received the full payment?

Already send him a message many times but no response from him. maybe chingador have an updated news about Ramzi? because he will take action using a legal advisor.

[ChiNgadOr]

I will look for legal advisor to lawsuit him..  Ramzi Belatreche hope wherever you are, you spend in hospital bills all that money stolen to translators, and die  being burned or hit by a train. fucking scammer not worth your weight in shit

[erikalui]

I will look for legal advisor to lawsuit him..  Ramzi Belatreche hope wherever you are, you spend in hospital bills all that money stolen to translators, and die  being burned or hit by a train. fucking scammer not worth your weight in shit

Let's not curse him and wish his death. It's not right IMO. Just that karma will bite him soon. He scammed us today and he will get scammed tomorrow by someone else.

[starkovblue]

Already 4 months waiting for our payment and now it's december, and Ramzi still not make any noise again right here. Already sent PM to him on October but he just reads and ignored my message. So it's my turn to support the flag.

There will be no payments, it is time to understand this.
He obviously closed his agencies, finally taking money from us all for our work. In the future, if we work, it is only through escrow on a forum which everyone knows and respects.

[bubbalex]

So bad that this happened and I don't even seen that until today. Gladly, one of my participants sent me this thread link in pm.

I worked with them in two projects (not directly, just same hirers), the moozicore and the ferrum network. Both times cryptoji agreed directly with the team, so I didn't know the details of the payments. I'm not sure did he scammed translators in those projects too, but the person who sent me this thread said that he didn't received payment in Moozicore and received only 1/3 in Ferrum Network, when all the participants already received tokens, what means that cryptoji probably received translators payments, but didn't send to him.

Supported the flag.

[starkovblue]

So bad that this happened and I don't even seen that until today. Gladly, one of my participants sent me this thread link in pm.

I worked with them in two projects (not directly, just same hirers), the moozicore and the ferrum network. Both times cryptoji agreed directly with the team, so I didn't know the details of the payments. I'm not sure did he scammed translators in those projects too, but the person who sent me this thread said that he didn't received payment in Moozicore and received only 1/3 in Ferrum Network, when all the participants already received tokens, what means that cryptoji probably received translators payments, but didn't send to him.

Supported the flag.

As they say, things say more than any words about this person.
And how beautifully he sang on the forum that he’ll pay
And of course, that I and that flag which I opened cannot be trusted.
As a result, I was right, and if I had not created this thread on the forum, there would have been many times more deceived translators and, most importantly, more projects that he would have deceived.

[erikalui]

As they say, things say more than any words about this person.
And how beautifully he sang on the forum that he’ll pay
And of course, that I and that flag which I opened cannot be trusted.
As a result, I was right, and if I had not created this thread on the forum, there would have been many times more deceived translators and, most importantly, more projects that he would have deceived.

ChiNgadOr was supposed to open a lawsuit against him and he hasn't mentioned anything about it. When he contacted me, he seemed firm on me receiving the payment and that's why I agreed to do the work:

contract signed with them to force the execution of payment on time..in the worst case we pay them from our money and get money easily by lawyers

What happened to all this. It's just cryptoji now responsible and not ChiNgadOr ?

[starkovblue]

contract signed with them to force the execution of payment on time..in the worst case we pay them from our money and get money easily by lawyers

It seems to me that this person simply does not exist under this name. Trying to find him will cost a lot more than a criminal case against him. Just for the future, you always need to work more than escrow service on the forum. This is not the first time an attempt to work without reputable escrow from the list ends with such things.