Religion and Morality.

[styca]

Your Jesus is as pure and unadulterated evil as they come.

If you think any rules in the Bible are remotely justified, you are an evil person.

"God is healing the world..."  WTF does this mean? 

Giving HIVs to babies in Africa?  Making babies born with genetic disorders?

There is no God you FUCKING retard.

I am done talking to you.

I agree with all this. God is indeed, as in Dawkins's memorable quote 'the most unpleasant character in all of fiction'.
But we can't prove a negative, we can't prove to believers that God doesn't exist.
So my position is more, okay, say God exists and is really performing all this evil crap, should you really worship someone like that?

[af_newbie]

Your Jesus is as pure and unadulterated evil as they come.

If you think any rules in the Bible are remotely justified, you are an evil person.

"God is healing the world..."  WTF does this mean? 

Giving HIVs to babies in Africa?  Making babies born with genetic disorders?

There is no God you FUCKING retard.

I am done talking to you.

I agree with all this. God is indeed, as in Dawkins's memorable quote 'the most unpleasant character in all of fiction'.
But we can't prove a negative, we can't prove to believers that God doesn't exist.
So my position is more, okay, say God exists and is really performing all this evil crap, should you really worship someone like that?

You know what gets my blood going is when people insist that the Bible was written by this loving, all-knowing 'God'.
Anyone who actually read this thing will know it is an ancient work of literature, in the same genre as Oddysey and Illiad.
It has ancient mythology written all over it.

[styca]

Totally true about bible then and now. Anything in the bible that is disproven by science, or offensive to modern morality, the stock response is oh yeah that bit is a metaphor.

[CryptocurencyKing]

You know, I believe that conscience is the best religion ever.
If you don't have it, you have no god inside you. Simple 

For me,  the idea of religion is very much based on your conscience. Your perception of right and wrong. Religion though is said to be based on faith does very much relies on a persons conscience. This is what determines for good morals which is adviced and thought in every religion.

[BADecker]

You know, I believe that conscience is the best religion ever.
If you don't have it, you have no god inside you. Simple 

For me,  the idea of religion is very much based on your conscience. Your perception of right and wrong. Religion though is said to be based on faith does very much relies on a persons conscience. This is what determines for good morals which is adviced and thought in every religion.

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

[af_newbie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

[BADecker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

No contradictions. Simply lack of context.     

[Naida_BR]

You know, I believe that conscience is the best religion ever.
If you don't have it, you have no god inside you. Simple 

For me,  the idea of religion is very much based on your conscience. Your perception of right and wrong. Religion though is said to be based on faith does very much relies on a persons conscience. This is what determines for good morals which is adviced and thought in every religion.

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

I think that all religions have been created due to the fact that people are afraid of dead.
Believing in something makes us think that there is another world on the "other side" and our relatives are waiting with our God.
There is not any scientific proof what happens after death.

[BADecker]

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

I think that all religions have been created due to the fact that people are afraid of dead.
Believing in something makes us think that there is another world on the "other side" and our relatives are waiting with our God.
There is not any scientific proof what happens after death.

There isn't any proof, scientific or otherwise, that science will always be able to even touch everything... to say nothing about proving it.

The evidence for this is that science hasn't been able to readily find or conduct experiments on the soul. But we are getting closer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeh001ptDgo.

[af_newbie]

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

I think that all religions have been created due to the fact that people are afraid of dead.
Believing in something makes us think that there is another world on the "other side" and our relatives are waiting with our God.
There is not any scientific proof what happens after death.

There isn't any proof, scientific or otherwise, that science will always be able to even touch everything... to say nothing about proving it.

The evidence for this is that science hasn't been able to readily find or conduct experiments on the soul. But we are getting closer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeh001ptDgo.

When was last time religion found any evidence of anything?  
At least with science, you can see its usefulness.  Progress is made, the quality of our lives is improved.

Why do we even have religions?  What are they good for?

PS. Harry Potter books are not evidence of Harry Potter's existence.

[BADecker]

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

I think that all religions have been created due to the fact that people are afraid of dead.
Believing in something makes us think that there is another world on the "other side" and our relatives are waiting with our God.
There is not any scientific proof what happens after death.

There isn't any proof, scientific or otherwise, that science will always be able to even touch everything... to say nothing about proving it.

The evidence for this is that science hasn't been able to readily find or conduct experiments on the soul. But we are getting closer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeh001ptDgo.

When was last time religion found any evidence of anything?  
At least with science, you can see its usefulness.  Progress is made, the quality of our lives is improved.

Why do we even have religions?  What are they good for?

PS. Harry Potter books are not evidence of Harry Potter's existence.

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

[af_newbie]

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

I think that all religions have been created due to the fact that people are afraid of dead.
Believing in something makes us think that there is another world on the "other side" and our relatives are waiting with our God.
There is not any scientific proof what happens after death.

There isn't any proof, scientific or otherwise, that science will always be able to even touch everything... to say nothing about proving it.

The evidence for this is that science hasn't been able to readily find or conduct experiments on the soul. But we are getting closer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeh001ptDgo.

When was last time religion found any evidence of anything?  
At least with science, you can see its usefulness.  Progress is made, the quality of our lives is improved.

Why do we even have religions?  What are they good for?

PS. Harry Potter books are not evidence of Harry Potter's existence.

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

All your nonsensical posts stem from the fact that you don't know what science is.

[BADecker]

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

All your nonsensical posts stem from the fact that you don't know what science is.

So said^^ by the science-religion guy who doesn't even realize that atheism is only his religion.

    

[af_newbie]

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

All your nonsensical posts stem from the fact that you don't know what science is.

So said^^ by the science-religion guy who doesn't even realize that atheism is only his religion.

    

The scientific method will always be better than faith in discovering the truth.  You would not know it because you do not understand what science is and how science operates.

It is not the label that matters, what epistemic tools it provides is far more important.

[BADecker]

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

All your nonsensical posts stem from the fact that you don't know what science is.

So said^^ by the science-religion guy who doesn't even realize that atheism is only his religion.

    

The scientific method will always be better than faith in discovering the truth.  You would not know it because you do not understand what science is and how science operates.

It is not the label that matters, what epistemic tools it provides is far more important.

My point exactly! You have faith in scientists and the media, that what they tell you is the truth, and that they discovered the truth by scientific methods. Do you have proof that they are telling you the truth? Did you watch them do their scientific methods. If you only read about it in their white papers, did you really understand what you were reading? If you understood it, did you do the tests to make sure that they were right? Or did you just believe it out of faith?

The Bible has all kinds of morality written into it. And it has punishment written in, for those who don't keep the morality. And it is the record of what happened to those who didn't keep the morality and what happened to those who did. And it shows how God both punishes those who disobey, and rewards those who obey, and how those who are repentant find Jesus-salvation.

The point is, people have faith all over the place in this life. Nothing that anyone does is ever done without at least a little bit of faith.

God is shown to exist in the machinery of the universe. Machines have makers. The highest and best morality is to honor and respect God since we have been made by Him. Since we live by faith, we have religion. The religion of honoring God is the best morality that we can have.

So, have you done all the experiments that you believe in? Or are you only trusting that others aren't lying to you? Be moral and tell us the truth, now.

[af_newbie]

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

All your nonsensical posts stem from the fact that you don't know what science is.

So said^^ by the science-religion guy who doesn't even realize that atheism is only his religion.

    

The scientific method will always be better than faith in discovering the truth.  You would not know it because you do not understand what science is and how science operates.

It is not the label that matters, what epistemic tools it provides is far more important.

My point exactly! You have faith in scientists and the media, that what they tell you is the truth, and that they discovered the truth by scientific methods. Do you have proof that they are telling you the truth? Did you watch them do their scientific methods. If you only read about it in their white papers, did you really understand what you were reading? If you understood it, did you do the tests to make sure that they were right? Or did you just believe it out of faith?

The Bible has all kinds of morality written into it. And it has punishment written in, for those who don't keep the morality. And it is the record of what happened to those who didn't keep the morality and what happened to those who did. And it shows how God both punishes those who disobey, and rewards those who obey, and how those who are repentant find Jesus-salvation.

The point is, people have faith all over the place in this life. Nothing that anyone does is ever done without at least a little bit of faith.

God is shown to exist in the machinery of the universe. Machines have makers. The highest and best morality is to honor and respect God since we have been made by Him. Since we live by faith, we have religion. The religion of honoring God is the best morality that we can have.

So, have you done all the experiments that you believe in? Or are you only trusting that others aren't lying to you? Be moral and tell us the truth, now.

If you use the same measuring tape (scientific method) it does not matter where in the world you measure a 3' stick, it will still be 3' in length, regardless of where the measurement was taken.

I have conducted many Physics, Biology and Chemistry experiments by myself in my schooling.  Did I verify experimentally every single scientific theory or law?  Of course not, I do not need to.  I can look at the results the scientists produced and I rely on the verification by other scientists.  At no point, I have faith in any scientific results.  That is the point of science, you don't need faith when you have facts.

But you would know this because you were inoculated to science early on in your homeschooling if you have any schooling at all.

[BADecker]

My point exactly! You have faith in scientists and the media, that what they tell you is the truth, and that they discovered the truth by scientific methods. Do you have proof that they are telling you the truth? Did you watch them do their scientific methods. If you only read about it in their white papers, did you really understand what you were reading? If you understood it, did you do the tests to make sure that they were right? Or did you just believe it out of faith?

The Bible has all kinds of morality written into it. And it has punishment written in, for those who don't keep the morality. And it is the record of what happened to those who didn't keep the morality and what happened to those who did. And it shows how God both punishes those who disobey, and rewards those who obey, and how those who are repentant find Jesus-salvation.

The point is, people have faith all over the place in this life. Nothing that anyone does is ever done without at least a little bit of faith.

God is shown to exist in the machinery of the universe. Machines have makers. The highest and best morality is to honor and respect God since we have been made by Him. Since we live by faith, we have religion. The religion of honoring God is the best morality that we can have.

So, have you done all the experiments that you believe in? Or are you only trusting that others aren't lying to you? Be moral and tell us the truth, now.

If you use the same measuring tape (scientific method) it does not matter where in the world you measure a 3' stick, it will still be 3' in length, regardless of where the measurement was taken.

I have conducted many Physics, Biology and Chemistry experiments by myself in my schooling.  Did I verify experimentally every single scientific theory or law?  Of course not, I do not need to.  I can look at the results the scientists produced and I rely on the verification by other scientists.  At no point, I have faith in any scientific results.  That is the point of science, you don't need faith when you have facts.

But you would know this because you were inoculated to science early on in your homeschooling if you have any schooling at all.

Your faith is in the other scientists. However, if you have faith that a 3' stick will remain 3' wherever in the world you measure it, you are having faith in God that He is holding physics in place. So, your faith isn't in the facts. It is in God that He will maintain the facts as facts.

We are finding that standard vaccines are producing more of the disease that they are supposed to be inoculating against. Check all the posts in the vaccine threads to find the links to the evidence and proof. So, I guess being inoculated to science means that I have more of it.

[af_newbie]

My point exactly! You have faith in scientists and the media, that what they tell you is the truth, and that they discovered the truth by scientific methods. Do you have proof that they are telling you the truth? Did you watch them do their scientific methods. If you only read about it in their white papers, did you really understand what you were reading? If you understood it, did you do the tests to make sure that they were right? Or did you just believe it out of faith?

The Bible has all kinds of morality written into it. And it has punishment written in, for those who don't keep the morality. And it is the record of what happened to those who didn't keep the morality and what happened to those who did. And it shows how God both punishes those who disobey, and rewards those who obey, and how those who are repentant find Jesus-salvation.

The point is, people have faith all over the place in this life. Nothing that anyone does is ever done without at least a little bit of faith.

God is shown to exist in the machinery of the universe. Machines have makers. The highest and best morality is to honor and respect God since we have been made by Him. Since we live by faith, we have religion. The religion of honoring God is the best morality that we can have.

So, have you done all the experiments that you believe in? Or are you only trusting that others aren't lying to you? Be moral and tell us the truth, now.

If you use the same measuring tape (scientific method) it does not matter where in the world you measure a 3' stick, it will still be 3' in length, regardless of where the measurement was taken.

I have conducted many Physics, Biology and Chemistry experiments by myself in my schooling.  Did I verify experimentally every single scientific theory or law?  Of course not, I do not need to.  I can look at the results the scientists produced and I rely on the verification by other scientists.  At no point, I have faith in any scientific results.  That is the point of science, you don't need faith when you have facts.

But you would know this because you were inoculated to science early on in your homeschooling if you have any schooling at all.

Your faith is in the other scientists. However, if you have faith that a 3' stick will remain 3' wherever in the world you measure it, you are having faith in God that He is holding physics in place. So, your faith isn't in the facts. It is in God that He will maintain the facts as facts.

We are finding that standard vaccines are producing more of the disease that they are supposed to be inoculating against. check all the posts in the vaccine threads to find the links to the evidence and proof. So, I guess being inoculated to science means that I have more of it.

You cannot have faith in facts.  You have faith when you don't have facts.

I trust scientists to produce objective results.  Why? Because their results can be verified.  No scientist can put out bullshit and not be challenged.

I don't get it that this simple concept is so hard for you to understand.

[BADecker]

Your faith is in the other scientists. However, if you have faith that a 3' stick will remain 3' wherever in the world you measure it, you are having faith in God that He is holding physics in place. So, your faith isn't in the facts. It is in God that He will maintain the facts as facts.

We are finding that standard vaccines are producing more of the disease that they are supposed to be inoculating against. check all the posts in the vaccine threads to find the links to the evidence and proof. So, I guess being inoculated to science means that I have more of it.

You cannot have faith in facts.  You have faith when you don't have facts.

I trust scientists to produce objective results.  Why? Because their results can be verified.  No scientist can put out bullshit and not be challenged.

I don't get it that this simple concept is so hard for you to understand.

Scientists are challenged all the time. What do you think a change in their scientific theory is? Have you forgotten that the only fact in a science theory is that it is a theory? The object of the theory isn't a fact. If it were, the theory wouldn't be a theory.

The only reason you understand that you know facts rather than having faith in them, is because I have mentioned it over and over in this forum.

[af_newbie]

Your faith is in the other scientists. However, if you have faith that a 3' stick will remain 3' wherever in the world you measure it, you are having faith in God that He is holding physics in place. So, your faith isn't in the facts. It is in God that He will maintain the facts as facts.

We are finding that standard vaccines are producing more of the disease that they are supposed to be inoculating against. check all the posts in the vaccine threads to find the links to the evidence and proof. So, I guess being inoculated to science means that I have more of it.

You cannot have faith in facts.  You have faith when you don't have facts.

I trust scientists to produce objective results.  Why? Because their results can be verified.  No scientist can put out bullshit and not be challenged.

I don't get it that this simple concept is so hard for you to understand.

Scientists are challenged all the time. What do you think a change in their scientific theory is? Have you forgotten that the only fact in a science theory is that it is a theory? The object of the theory isn't a fact. If it were, the theory wouldn't be a theory.

The only reason you understand that you know facts rather than having faith in them, is because I have mentioned it over and over in this forum.

You have said a lot of nonsense on this forum.  Keep them coming.

If all religious blokes are like you, religions will disappear in 2-3 generations.