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May 02, 2020, 10:27:40 AM
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But my question is, Do other members, especially senior and experienced member really follow this rules and respect forum's tool ?
No. But those aren't rules anyway:
These are mere guidelines
Trust isn't moderated, but how you use it is your "business card" to the community. Use the above as guidelines only. It's meant to give you a general idea of what I consider good behaviour.
There are currently 593 users on DT, the Trust system is decentralized, and they all leave feedback how they think it works best.



You will understand if you see the trust rating in my profile, with Reference. I was negative tagged just for some Silly Forum mistakes, which I was not even warned
I'll respond in the Reference topic.

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May 10, 2020, 12:59:41 AM
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Seeing the latest threads on Meta, this deserves a Bump!

On a side note, the guide has been translated into Spanish.
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July 06, 2020, 09:33:34 AM
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For all translators: I've enabled SSL on loyce.club, so all links to http://loyce.club should be replaced by https://loyce.club. Without this, the images don't work anymore. Sorry for the inconvenience!

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For all translators: I've enabled SSL on loyce.club, so all links to http://loyce.club should be replaced by https://loyce.club. Without this, the images don't work anymore. Sorry for the inconvenience!

Just have seen it today and changed it already without knowen this post you have done !
Was wondering why it dont works anymore and tested a bit with the link around and changed it to https.
Also have written in the thread of masulum and madnessteat to let them know .
For not spamming in every thread i mention the User here now they dont have changed it .

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July 29, 2020, 01:48:36 PM
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That is now fixed.
Sorry took longer as I have been busy IRL, and didn’t see the post until explicitly tagged by @Lafu (every tag is an haptic feedback on my skin).
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July 31, 2020, 12:12:10 PM
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Fixed! (I think....) Thanks Lafu for the mention, I'm not logging in much to the forum these days, and I wouldn't have seen this otherwise
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August 18, 2020, 05:35:05 PM
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if i was wrongly accused by another user, is there any way or mean to remove the negative trust feedback?
You don't have negative feedback. You've joined the forum a few hours ago, and made 12 posts already. Don't post BS in my topic.

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August 18, 2020, 06:10:30 PM
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if i was wrongly accused by another user, is there any way or mean to remove the negative trust feedback?
You don't have negative feedback, yet. You've joined the forum a few hours ago, and made 12 posts already. Don't post BS in my topic.

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Hello,

I have made a hindi translation to this very usefull topic in the Indian board.

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September 14, 2020, 05:54:29 AM
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Isn't being a troll an offense? I am pretty confused with that notion but I hope you can elaborate. In my opinion, trolls should get a negative feedback or possible a ban because it is a pretty toxic behavior that can create shitstorm in the forum.
Trust system isn't intertwined with the forum rules, they are two separate entities.

Trust system only serves as a guide for users to identify users who aren't trustworthy or are scammers. They shouldn't be used as a way for users to tag others for violation of forum rules. IMO, it's okay to tag users who are trolls and exhibit behavior that endanger the users on the forum. You will have to report the user to moderators if you believe that they are in violation of any forum rules.

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Isn't being a troll an offense?
Yes:
Forum rules
3. No trolling.

In my opinion, trolls should get a negative feedback
If that's your opinion, why haven't you left any feedback yet? You've been here 3.5 years, there must have been someone you've noticed, right? The same for a custom Trust list: DefaultTrust can only be decentralized if many users use it.
Once you fully understand the system, it's important to start using it:
  • Did you do a trade in which you risked funds? Leave feedback!
  • Did you see users who left accurate Trust feedback on many accounts? Add them to your Trust list!
Anyone can leave feedback, and anyone can customize their Trust list!

or possible a ban
Follow-up question: how many posts have you reported? Mods can't read everything, but if you see something that violates forum rules, you should Report it.

Trust system only serves as a guide for users to identify users who aren't trustworthy or are scammers. They shouldn't be used as a way for users to tag others for violation of forum rules.
Agreed.

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IMO, it's okay to tag users who are trolls and exhibit behavior that endanger the users on the forum.
Trolling is against the rules, so I wouldn't tag someone for that (but others do). If anything, I'd leave a neutral tag for trolling. If there's a danger involved, I'd use negative.

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So when a user like Vod is trolling others with lies for years, including them in your trust network would be inappropriate right?

I'm just curious because you seem to be trying to tell beginners how to use the trust network while you are supporting the inclusion of a lying troll who continues to break forum rules and abuse the trust network.  Seems like maybe you should use the trust network correctly yourself LoyceV before trying to influence others on how to use it.


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Trust system is difinitely good but I think it should not be decentralized on only could be trusted people to tag red trust or to do as based on reports that will be reported in a thread to be reviewed. Just like how the plagiarism works where all the plagiarized post where being reported in a single thread for review.

Why not make it decentralized? It is subject for abuses just like what other users had claim and give negative impact on the system. If this could not be improved then I think it is better to give users that are really trusted to give red trust.
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I'm just curious because you seem to be trying to tell beginners how to use the trust network while you are supporting the inclusion of a lying troll who continues to break forum rules and abuse the trust network.
Whether or not something is trolling is in the eye of the beholder. Mods deal with that, and if you don't like someone, ignore them. I don't agree with all feedback or inclusions from most users on my Trust list, but I do agree with the large majority of their ratings. It's not perfect, but the alternative would be to have an almost empty Trust list.
(Allegedly) breaking forum rules has nothing to do with the Trust system, unless, for example, someone is posting malware.

Please keep your feud with Vod out of my thread, this has spread to a couple dozen threads already.

I think it should not be decentralized
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Why not make it decentralized?
Do you even know what you're typing? The Trust system is decentralized because theymos doesn't want to decide on his own who can be trusted. It's up to the community to decide.

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Why not make it decentralized? It is subject for abuses just like what other users had claim and give negative impact on the system. If this could not be improved then I think it is better to give users that are really trusted to give red trust.
Trust list is decentralized by community.
Trust list abuses can be easily to be detected by community.

Everyone can leave feedback (positive, negative, neutral) but if one user is not a DT member, any feedback is left by that one will appear in a Untrusted feedback. If that one is a DT member, any feedback is left by the one will be show by default with positive, negative, neutral, depends on each feedback.

If you exclude a specific user from your Trust list (you distrust that guy), any feedback is left by that user will become Untrusted feedback -- You can not see it by default.





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October 05, 2020, 07:35:31 PM
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breaking forum rules has nothing to do with the Trust system

You are ok trusting users who break forum rules and you think you should be telling newbies how to use the trust system. Maybe you should stick to tables. Trust and honesty seems outside of your lane.


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you think you should be telling newbies how to use the trust system
I don't need your approval. This is enough for me:
And this:
LoyceV's guide seems reasonable.
And this:
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But hey, by all means, please write OgNasty's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system. I bet those Beginners would love to read all about your feud with Vod view on the Trust system.



I've deleted a bunch of off-topic posts. See loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5191802.html for details.
You are ok trusting users who break forum rules and ~snip~. Maybe you should stick to tables. Trust and honesty seems outside of your lane.
Feel free to post in LoyceV's reputation thread.

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I don't need your approval. This is enough for me:
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Of course, totally within your discretion, Loyce, regarding whether or how to respond to OgNasty and the copy cat posts that he had already inspired in this thread from his recent posts.. I would agree that it was likely that it was better for you to respond to OgNasty's first post in which he proclaimed that you were "not worthy" to be giving advices on how to dish out trust, blah blah blah... so responding to those initial claims, as you did, including asserting that it was off-topic was likely a reasonable approach, but as you already know and you already mentioned earlier, in a self-moderated thread, you are completely justified to completely delete the posts of OgNasty without further explanation .... and of course, he has a right to create another thread or to bring such topic up in other threads (which he seems to have done, as you suggested).  You even pointed out your particular reputation thread in which he could "totally" (if that were to be possible?) bash you, if he were to aim for such Loyce bashenings, since that thread is not self-moderated.

Sure, you decided to attempt to respond, to provide some linked info and mostly attempt to stay on topic, so however you deal with the situation is up to you, including if you decide to delete this particular post, as well (first time that I have ever suggested deleting my own post... first time for every little thing-i-lie).   Wink Wink #nohomo...

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Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

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Trust is decentralized hence user that get caught making claims without proof of evidence is a sort of abuse in merit system.

I think the best way to get it done right as I have read in other replies is all about chosing the right users to tag flag or red trust to users that are violating the forum rules. Of course it should be supported to something to prove the users being accused with the violations. This to avoid getting abuses in giving red trust to other users that are just giving feedback even just sort of accusations and no proof or evidences.
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I think the best way to get it done right as I have read in other replies is all about chosing the right users to tag flag or red trust to users that are violating the forum rules.
Why don't you participate? Create a custom Trust list and start leaving feedback when appropriate. By doing so, you can vote for DT1-members, and you can start Supporting or Opposing Trust flags.

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