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Vadi2323
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
October 22, 2019, 01:26:37 PM
#101
Quote from: LoyceV on October 22, 2019, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: KTChampions on October 22, 2019, 10:12:24 AM
I hope
LoyceV
and
YOSHIE
will like this story as they tried to figure out this whole situation.
I'm going to click "unwatch" on this thread, I've wasted enough time reading this vendetta.
KTChampions
always uses a killer strategy: he gives out part of the compromising information known to him and when the defendant naively gives a false excuse,
KTChampions
gives another (not all) part, convicting the first excuse of lying and this continues until the victim is completely discredited.
In this case,
KTChampions
in addition scoffs at
LoyceV's
hypocrisy )
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
October 22, 2019, 01:58:45 PM
Last edit: October 22, 2019, 02:52:34 PM by be.open
#102
Quote from: Vadi2323 on October 22, 2019, 01:26:37 PM
KTChampions
always uses a killer strategy: he gives out part of the compromising information known to him and when the defendant naively gives a false excuse,
KTChampions
gives another (not all) part, convicting the first excuse of lying and this continues until the victim is completely discredited.
A curious strategy. I hope that while he is desperately rummaging through my story in search of the next batch of shit, he will at least get a little insight into the meaning of my old messages and will cease to be a bitcoin hater and a nocoiner. Maybe at least some benefit will be from this tightened farce. We'll see.
ps By the way, how do you know about his strategy?
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 01:53:59 PM
#103
So we have a farm of connected accounts:
be.open
,
Sancho18
,
sne.su
,
Prod
,
Kutkh
,
Bonanzabits
,
more^power
.
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/986242.html
- be.open
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1018592.html
- Sancho18
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1077612.html
- sne.su
Quote
Sancho18
Trusts these users' judgement:
~
13. NEW be.open (Trust: +1 / =2 / -1) (DT1 (-4) 326 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
~
Quote
sne.su
Trusts these users' judgement:
~
13. NEW be.open (Trust: +1 / =2 / -1) (DT1 (-4) 326 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
~
CTRL+C CTRL+V =
Quote
be.open
Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW ~Balthazar (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. ~Dabs (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ~suchmoon (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (3443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. ~Dimenzino (Trust: neutral) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. ~kzv (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 614 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW ~KTChampions (Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) (498 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW ~witcher_sense (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1036 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. ~ToTheMoon_XOM9IK (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (155 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW ~madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. ~lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (+8) 1028 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Quote
Sancho18
Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW ~Balthazar (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW ~Dabs (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW ~suchmoon (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (3443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW ~Dimenzino (Trust: neutral) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. NEW ~kzv (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 614 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW ~KTChampions (Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) (498 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW ~witcher_sense (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1036 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. NEW ~ToTheMoon_XOM9IK (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (155 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW ~madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. NEW ~lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (+8) 1028 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Quote
sne.su
Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW ~Balthazar (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW ~Dabs (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW ~suchmoon (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (3443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW ~Dimenzino (Trust: neutral) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. NEW ~kzv (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 614 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW ~KTChampions (Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) (498 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW ~witcher_sense (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1036 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. NEW ~ToTheMoon_XOM9IK (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (155 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW ~madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. NEW ~lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (+8) 1028 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Conclusion
: trust abuse.
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 04:22:05 PM
#104
Quote from: KTChampions on December 28, 2019, 01:53:59 PM
So we have a farm of connected accounts:
be.open
,
Sancho18
,
sne.su
,
Prod
,
Kutkh
,
Bonanzabits
,
more^power
.
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/986242.html
- be.open
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1018592.html
- Sancho18
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1077612.html
- sne.su
I noticed the similarities when I updated
Users who Created or Wiped their Trust list - weekly data
, and was
notified
about
this Russian post
a bit later. Unfortunately, I can't read Russian, Google Translate is not ideal to read 2 pages of posts, and I can't post in Russian so I'll respond in this topic. Since my data collection is being used to hand out negative feedback, I hope someone will transfer my concerns to the Russian topic too.
Quote
Conclusion
: trust abuse.
Even if they're all alt-accounts (we can't check the "family members" claims), I don't agree it's Trust abuse to add your own alt-accounts to your Trust list. To quote myself:
Quote from: LoyceV on October 10, 2019, 03:37:17 PM
Don't confuse your Trust list with feedback
Trust feedback
: leave feedback to people you
trust
or
don't trust
. Or leave neutral comments.
Trust list
: a list of people who's judgement on others you trust (
username
) or don't trust (
~username
).
The only "abuse" that happens by adding an alt-account to your Trust list, is influencing
DT1 voting
. If that's a concern, open a topic in Meta so
theymos can exclude them from DT1-voting
.
Including your own alt-account(s) on your Trust list means nothing more than trusting the feedback left by those accounts. It's not the same as leaving yourself positive feedback, in which case I would agree it's Trust abuse.
In this case, however, I can't say it is abuse. It's quite useless to do though, because one account only left one neutral feedback, and the other account didn't leave any at all, but that's a mistake
many
users make when they create their own custom Trust list.
To prove my point:
Quote
Trust list for:
hilariousetc
(
Trust:
+
3
/ =1 / -0
) (
1750 Merit
earned
) (
Trust list
) (
BPIP
)
(created 2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h)
Back to index
hilariousetc's judgement is Trusted by:
3.
hilariousandco
(
Trust:
+
20
/ =3 / -0
) (
DT1!
(37)
708 Merit
earned
) (
Trust list
) (
BPIP
)
Source:
LoyceV's Trust list viewer
.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at
loyce.club/trust
.
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Trust list for:
DarkStar_alt
(
Trust:
neutral) (9 Merit
earned
) (
Trust list
) (
BPIP
)
(created 2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h)
Back to index
DarkStar_alt's judgement is Trusted by:
1.
DarkStar_
(
Trust:
+
42
/ =1 / -0
) (
1126 Merit
earned
) (
Trust list
) (
BPIP
)
Source:
LoyceV's Trust list viewer
.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at
loyce.club/trust
.
I wouldn't call hilariousandco and DarkStar_ Trust abusers for adding their alt-account to their Trust list.
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 04:42:09 PM
#105
Quote from: LoyceV on December 28, 2019, 04:22:05 PM
~ Since my data collection is being used to hand out negative feedback, I hope someone will transfer my concerns to the Russian topic too.
~
I will translate your post into Ru local.
Quote from: LoyceV on December 28, 2019, 04:22:05 PM
Quote
Conclusion
: trust abuse.
Even if they're all alt-accounts (we can't check the "family members" claims), I don't agree it's Trust abuse to add your own alt-accounts to your Trust list. To quote myself:
Quote from: LoyceV on October 10, 2019, 03:37:17 PM
Don't confuse your Trust list with feedback
Trust feedback
: leave feedback to people you
trust
or
don't trust
. Or leave neutral comments.
Trust list
: a list of people who's judgement on others you trust (
username
) or don't trust (
~username
).
The only "abuse" that happens by adding an alt-account to your Trust list, is influencing
DT1 voting
. If that's a concern, open a topic in Meta so
theymos can exclude them from DT1-voting
.
Given the context of other actions of this farm, this is a rather serious abuse. Thanks for the link, I will post in that topic so that this farm is excluded from the vote.
Quote from: LoyceV on December 28, 2019, 04:22:05 PM
Including your own alt-account(s) on your Trust list means nothing more than trusting the feedback left by those accounts. It's not the same as leaving yourself positive feedback, in which case I would agree it's Trust abuse.
In this case, however, I can't say it is abuse. It's quite useless to do though, because one account only left one neutral feedback, and the other account didn't leave any at all, but that's a mistake
many
users make when they create their own custom Trust list.
Perhaps after theymos expels this farm from the vote, it would be wise to change the feedbacks of this "trick" to neutral, but not earlier. There are a lot of scammers in Ru local and we are just trying to protect ourselves from them (be.open DT1 this month)
Quote from: LoyceV on December 28, 2019, 04:22:05 PM
To prove my point:
~
I wouldn't call hilariousandco and DarkStar_ Trust abusers for adding their alt-account to their Trust list.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that comparing the actions of obviously honest users with the actions of a fraudster and also out of context cannot lead us to reasonable conclusions.
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 04:58:13 PM
#106
Quote from: Ratimov on December 28, 2019, 04:50:28 PM
He's been lying all the time and he can't be trusted.
So you can just ~ him. suchmoon has already given him negative feedback for this. Is leaving mass negative feedbacks for the same thing not an abuse?
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 05:22:53 PM
#107
Quote from: stoos on December 28, 2019, 04:58:13 PM
Quote from: Ratimov on December 28, 2019, 04:50:28 PM
He's been lying all the time and he can't be trusted.
So you can just ~ him. suchmoon has already given him negative feedback for this. Is leaving mass negative feedbacks for the same thing not an abuse?
It's not an abuse to give mass negative if it's a proven scammer, sometimes it's better to do so as the DT network is very dynamic now and the feedbacks can jump between trusted and untrusted after monthly DT1 updates by theymos.
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 05:46:09 PM
#108
Quote from: hacker1001101001 on December 28, 2019, 05:22:53 PM
It's not an abuse to give mass negative if it's a proven scammer, sometimes it's better to do so as the DT network is very dynamic now and the feedbacks can jump between trusted and untrusted after monthly DT1 updates by theymos.
I see and in case of scammers I totally agree. But beopen is not a scammer, he is respected member. It looks for me more that he is pursued by group of members, which were judging him earlier and still can not forget him, even if he was already painted and almost disapeared from the forum.
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 06:14:04 PM
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#109
Quote from: stoos on December 28, 2019, 05:46:09 PM
Quote from: hacker1001101001 on December 28, 2019, 05:22:53 PM
It's not an abuse to give mass negative if it's a proven scammer, sometimes it's better to do so as the DT network is very dynamic now and the feedbacks can jump between trusted and untrusted after monthly DT1 updates by theymos.
I see and in case of scammers I totally agree. But beopen is not a scammer, he is respected member. It looks for me more that he is pursued by group of members, which were judging him earlier and still can not forget him, even if he was already painted and almost disapeared from the forum.
I totally agree, using alt accounts is not prohibited here nor lying about having an alt and this even doesn't deserves a negative tag.
The accusation made in the OP is even baseless as the campaign they were participating in did not have any such rules, and even if it had it was better handled by the manager of the campaign by kicking the participant out and not by some DT tags.
Quote from: Ratimov on December 28, 2019, 05:29:18 PM
In our locale some users think that duplicating a review is some kind of wrong action. I mean, if you put someone on -1, that's enough.
I think they are more concerned about your reason for the tags, as all of them are BS. As LoyceV said, adding alts to trust list is not an trust abuse.
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 06:30:41 PM
#110
Quote from: Ratimov on December 28, 2019, 06:26:17 PM
the Russian local is already tired
Please, do not speak for everyone. Thank you.
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 06:32:52 PM
#111
Quote from: hacker1001101001 on December 28, 2019, 06:14:04 PM
I totally agree, using alt accounts is not prohibited here nor lying about having an alt and this even doesn't deserves a negative tag.
The accusation made in the OP is even baseless as the campaign they were participating in did not have any such rules, and even if it had it was better handled by the manager of the campaign by kicking the participant out and not by some DT tags.
Before making such conclusions, you should have read the whole topic.
1.) Bounty cheating has been in
several campaigns
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2.) This farm has been involved in merit abuse (admitted independently).
3.) be.open was engaged in account trading/changing/gifting check
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Lied about the account being hacked, then "gifted" to a friend. If you deal with this user you may find out it was hacked or gifted again if something goes pear-shaped.
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 06:46:22 PM
#112
Quote from: KTChampions on December 28, 2019, 06:32:52 PM
Before making such conclusions, you should have read the whole topic.
I already did hence making conclusions.
Quote from: KTChampions on December 28, 2019, 06:32:52 PM
1.) Bounty cheating has been in
several campaigns
.
As I said better handled by campaign manager by kicking out the participant.
Quote from: KTChampions on December 28, 2019, 06:32:52 PM
2.) This farm has been involved in merit abuse (admitted independently).
Theymos doesn't encourage DTs to tag for merit abuse.
Quote from: KTChampions on December 28, 2019, 06:32:52 PM
3.) be.open was engaged in account trading/changing/gifting check
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Lied about the account being hacked, then "gifted" to a friend. If you deal with this user you may find out it was hacked or gifted again if something goes pear-shaped.
He was not engaged in account trading/changing/gifting, he just lied about it, that could be displayed via a neutral for sure.
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 07:26:42 PM
#113
Quote from: Ratimov on December 28, 2019, 06:54:27 PM
Quote from: hacker1001101001 on December 28, 2019, 06:46:22 PM
Theymos doesn't encourage DTs to tag for merit abuse.
However, a huge number of users on the forum put a red tag for it. I can give you a million examples of such tags from DT1
You should trust none of them, all of those millions are wrong, all of them should be out of DT.
Quote from: theymos on October 21, 2018, 02:28:55 PM
If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 07:30:00 PM
#114
Quote from: hacker1001101001 on December 28, 2019, 07:26:42 PM
Quote from: theymos on October 21, 2018, 02:28:55 PM
If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.
You forget that it was said in the context of the discussion of the meritsors
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 28, 2019, 07:42:22 PM
#115
Quote from: KTChampions on December 28, 2019, 07:30:00 PM
Quote from: hacker1001101001 on December 28, 2019, 07:26:42 PM
Quote from: theymos on October 21, 2018, 02:28:55 PM
If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.
You forget that it was said in the context of the discussion of the meritsors
That doesn't mean that normal users who are not merit source could be tagged for something stupid involving merit.
Don't waste others time because you don't like someone, buy creating unwanted accusations and drama around. I am out.
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
December 29, 2019, 07:27:52 AM
#116
Quote from: stoos on December 28, 2019, 05:46:09 PM
But beopen is not a scammer, he is respected member.
He's a proven liar with multiple accounts, that was demonstrated many times by a lot of people including myself. You're trying to deny the facts which are publicly available.
P. S. I have a small question, respected by whom?
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Re: be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.
March 22, 2022, 07:10:47 AM
#117
be.open
is stupid troll and paid provoker supporting a war
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