be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters.

[Vadi2323]

I hope LoyceV and YOSHIE will like this story as they tried to figure out this whole situation.

I'm going to click "unwatch" on this thread, I've wasted enough time reading this vendetta.

KTChampions always uses a killer strategy: he gives out part of the compromising information known to him and when the defendant naively gives a false excuse, KTChampions gives another (not all) part, convicting the first excuse of lying and this continues until the victim is completely discredited.

In this case, KTChampions in addition scoffs at LoyceV's hypocrisy )

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[be.open]

KTChampions always uses a killer strategy: he gives out part of the compromising information known to him and when the defendant naively gives a false excuse, KTChampions gives another (not all) part, convicting the first excuse of lying and this continues until the victim is completely discredited.

A curious strategy. I hope that while he is desperately rummaging through my story in search of the next batch of shit, he will at least get a little insight into the meaning of my old messages and will cease to be a bitcoin hater and a nocoiner. Maybe at least some benefit will be from this tightened farce. We'll see.

ps By the way, how do you know about his strategy?

[KTChampions]

So we have a farm of connected accounts:

be.open, Sancho18, sne.su, Prod, Kutkh, Bonanzabits, more^power.

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/986242.html - be.open
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1018592.html - Sancho18
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1077612.html - sne.su

Sancho18 Trusts these users' judgement:
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13. NEW be.open (Trust: +1 / =2 / -1) (DT1 (-4) 326 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
~

sne.su Trusts these users' judgement:
~
13. NEW be.open (Trust: +1 / =2 / -1) (DT1 (-4) 326 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
~

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be.open Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW ~Balthazar (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. ~Dabs (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ~suchmoon (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (3443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. ~Dimenzino (Trust: neutral) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. ~kzv (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 614 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW ~KTChampions (Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) (498 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW ~witcher_sense (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1036 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. ~ToTheMoon_XOM9IK (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (155 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW ~madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. ~lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (+8) 1028 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Sancho18 Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW ~Balthazar (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW ~Dabs (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW ~suchmoon (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (3443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW ~Dimenzino (Trust: neutral) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. NEW ~kzv (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 614 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW ~KTChampions (Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) (498 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW ~witcher_sense (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1036 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. NEW ~ToTheMoon_XOM9IK (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (155 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW ~madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. NEW ~lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (+8) 1028 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

sne.su Distrusts these users' judgement:
1. NEW ~Balthazar (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (229 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEW ~Dabs (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW ~suchmoon (Trust: +13 / =2 / -0) (3443 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. NEW ~Dimenzino (Trust: neutral) (34 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. NEW ~kzv (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 614 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. NEW ~KTChampions (Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) (498 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. NEW ~witcher_sense (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1036 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. NEW ~ToTheMoon_XOM9IK (Trust: +0 / =0 / -2) (155 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. NEW ~madnessteat (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (787 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. NEW ~lovesmayfamilis (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (+8) 1028 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Conclusion: trust abuse.

[LoyceV]

So we have a farm of connected accounts:

be.open, Sancho18, sne.su, Prod, Kutkh, Bonanzabits, more^power.

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/986242.html - be.open
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1018592.html - Sancho18
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h/1077612.html - sne.su

I noticed the similarities when I updated Users who Created or Wiped their Trust list - weekly data, and was notified about this Russian post a bit later. Unfortunately, I can't read Russian, Google Translate is not ideal to read 2 pages of posts, and I can't post in Russian so I'll respond in this topic. Since my data collection is being used to hand out negative feedback, I hope someone will transfer my concerns to the Russian topic too.

Conclusion: trust abuse.

Even if they're all alt-accounts (we can't  check the "family members" claims), I don't agree it's Trust abuse to add your own alt-accounts to your Trust list.  To quote myself:

Don't confuse your Trust list with feedback
Trust feedback: leave feedback to people you trust or don't trust. Or leave neutral comments.
Trust list: a list of people who's judgement on others you trust (username) or don't trust (~username).

The only "abuse" that happens by adding an alt-account to your Trust list, is influencing DT1 voting. If that's a concern, open a topic in Meta so theymos can exclude them from DT1-voting.

Including your own alt-account(s) on your Trust list means nothing more than trusting the feedback left by those accounts. It's not the same as leaving yourself positive feedback, in which case I would agree it's Trust abuse.
In this case, however, I can't say it is abuse. It's quite useless to do though, because one account only left one neutral feedback, and the other account didn't leave any at all, but that's a mistake many users make when they create their own custom Trust list.

To prove my point:

Trust list for: hilariousetc (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (1750 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h)
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hilariousetc's judgement is Trusted by:
3. hilariousandco (Trust: +20 / =3 / -0) (DT1! (37) 708 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

Trust list for: DarkStar_alt (Trust: neutral) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-12-28_Sat_06.13h)
Back to index

DarkStar_alt's judgement is Trusted by:
1. DarkStar_ (Trust: +42 / =1 / -0) (1126 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

I wouldn't call hilariousandco and DarkStar_ Trust abusers for adding their alt-account to their Trust list.

[KTChampions]

~ Since my data collection is being used to hand out negative feedback, I hope someone will transfer my concerns to the Russian topic too.
~

I will translate your post into Ru local.

Conclusion: trust abuse.

Even if they're all alt-accounts (we can't  check the "family members" claims), I don't agree it's Trust abuse to add your own alt-accounts to your Trust list.  To quote myself:

Don't confuse your Trust list with feedback
Trust feedback: leave feedback to people you trust or don't trust. Or leave neutral comments.
Trust list: a list of people who's judgement on others you trust (username) or don't trust (~username).

The only "abuse" that happens by adding an alt-account to your Trust list, is influencing DT1 voting. If that's a concern, open a topic in Meta so theymos can exclude them from DT1-voting.

Given the context of other actions of this farm, this is a rather serious abuse. Thanks for the link, I will post in that topic so that this farm is excluded from the vote.

Including your own alt-account(s) on your Trust list means nothing more than trusting the feedback left by those accounts. It's not the same as leaving yourself positive feedback, in which case I would agree it's Trust abuse.
In this case, however, I can't say it is abuse. It's quite useless to do though, because one account only left one neutral feedback, and the other account didn't leave any at all, but that's a mistake many users make when they create their own custom Trust list.

Perhaps after theymos expels this farm from the vote, it would be wise to change the feedbacks of this "trick" to neutral, but not earlier. There are a lot of scammers in Ru local and we are just trying to protect ourselves from them (be.open DT1 this month) 

To prove my point:
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I wouldn't call hilariousandco and DarkStar_ Trust abusers for adding their alt-account to their Trust list.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that comparing the actions of obviously honest users with the actions of a fraudster and also out of context cannot lead us to reasonable conclusions.

[stoos]

He's been lying all the time and he can't be trusted.

So you can just ~ him. suchmoon has already given him negative feedback for this. Is leaving mass negative feedbacks for the same thing not an abuse?

[hacker1001101001]

He's been lying all the time and he can't be trusted.

So you can just ~ him. suchmoon has already given him negative feedback for this. Is leaving mass negative feedbacks for the same thing not an abuse?

It's not an abuse to give mass negative if it's a proven scammer, sometimes it's better to do so as the DT network is very dynamic now and the feedbacks can jump between trusted and untrusted after monthly DT1 updates by theymos.

[stoos]

It's not an abuse to give mass negative if it's a proven scammer, sometimes it's better to do so as the DT network is very dynamic now and the feedbacks can jump between trusted and untrusted after monthly DT1 updates by theymos.

I see and in case of scammers I totally agree. But beopen is not a scammer, he is respected member. It looks for me more that he is pursued by group of members, which were judging him earlier and still can not forget him, even if he was already painted and almost disapeared from the forum.

[hacker1001101001]

It's not an abuse to give mass negative if it's a proven scammer, sometimes it's better to do so as the DT network is very dynamic now and the feedbacks can jump between trusted and untrusted after monthly DT1 updates by theymos.

I see and in case of scammers I totally agree. But beopen is not a scammer, he is respected member. It looks for me more that he is pursued by group of members, which were judging him earlier and still can not forget him, even if he was already painted and almost disapeared from the forum.

I totally agree, using alt accounts is not prohibited here nor lying about having an alt and this even doesn't deserves a negative tag.

The accusation made in the OP is even baseless as the campaign they were participating in did not have any such rules, and even if it had it was better handled by the manager of the campaign by kicking the participant out and not by some DT tags.

In our locale some users think that duplicating a review is some kind of wrong action. I mean, if you put someone on -1, that's enough.

I think they are more concerned about your reason for the tags, as all of them are BS. As LoyceV said, adding alts to trust list is not an trust abuse.

[stoos]

the Russian local is already tired

Please, do not speak for everyone. Thank you.

[KTChampions]

I totally agree, using alt accounts is not prohibited here nor lying about having an alt and this even doesn't deserves a negative tag.

The accusation made in the OP is even baseless as the campaign they were participating in did not have any such rules, and even if it had it was better handled by the manager of the campaign by kicking the participant out and not by some DT tags.

Before making such conclusions, you should have read the whole topic.

1.) Bounty cheating has been in several campaigns.

2.) This farm has been involved in merit abuse (admitted independently).

3.) be.open was engaged in account trading/changing/gifting check reference from suchmoon:

Lied about the account being hacked, then "gifted" to a friend. If you deal with this user you may find out it was hacked or gifted again if something goes pear-shaped.

[hacker1001101001]

Before making such conclusions, you should have read the whole topic.

I already did hence making conclusions.

1.) Bounty cheating has been in several campaigns.

As I said better handled by campaign manager by kicking out the participant.

2.) This farm has been involved in merit abuse (admitted independently).

Theymos doesn't encourage DTs to tag for merit abuse.

3.) be.open was engaged in account trading/changing/gifting check reference from suchmoon:

Lied about the account being hacked, then "gifted" to a friend. If you deal with this user you may find out it was hacked or gifted again if something goes pear-shaped.

He was not engaged in account trading/changing/gifting, he just lied about it, that could be displayed via a neutral for sure.

[hacker1001101001]

Theymos doesn't encourage DTs to tag for merit abuse.

However, a huge number of users on the forum put a red tag for it. I can give you a million examples of such tags from DT1

You should trust none of them, all of those millions are wrong, all of them should be out of DT.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

[KTChampions]

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

You forget that it was said in the context of the discussion of the meritsors 

[hacker1001101001]

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

You forget that it was said in the context of the discussion of the meritsors 

That doesn't mean that normal users who are not merit source could be tagged for something stupid involving merit.

Don't waste others time because you don't like someone, buy creating unwanted accusations and drama around. I am out.

[Balthazar]

But beopen is not a scammer, he is respected member.

He's a proven liar with multiple accounts, that was demonstrated many times by a lot of people including myself. You're trying to deny the facts which are publicly available.

P. S. I have a small question, respected by whom?  

[Excimer]

be.open is stupid troll and paid provoker supporting a war

translated

...я - кpaйнe aпoлитичный чeлoвeк...

...I am a very apolitical person...

translated

Зeлeнcкий - клoyн-мapиoнeткa, pyчнaя oбeзьянкa Бaйдeнa. Caм Бaйдeн - cтapый мapaзмaтик...
...пo cyти нeтy бoльшe никaкoй Укpaины.

Zelensky is a clone puppet, Biden's hand monkey. Biden is an old senile.
...in fact, there is no more Ukraine.