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October 16, 2019, 06:41:31 AM
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Unless traffic drops below the "millions," I don't think we have anything to worry about. I agree with the previous posts though that the daily/monthly views are a function of the overall market conditions and sentiment. Looking forward to the coming months!
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October 16, 2019, 06:49:45 AM
Last edit: October 16, 2019, 07:15:30 AM by mindrust
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alternative more neutral cryptoforums are rising in their viewer numbers,
like cryptotalk.org

Cryptotalk is PAYING to promote itself on THIS forum (and is also paying, albeit a lot less, to post on their own forum). Not to mention it's Yobit's propaganda tool.

Maybe bitcointalk should pay to promote itself on Ver's forum. I wonder how that would go.

 Promoting BTT on Ver's forum will only benefit Ver's forum. Bcash forum's alexa rank will be climbing up while BTT is going to gain nothing. The amount of users we will be attracting there is much less than what we'll be losing to them.

Think it like the osmosis. From high concentration to low concentration. People act like this too.

Cryptotalk is mainly relying on that mechanism. The difference is they pay people to induce it.

Edit: thinking now, altcoins also work the same way. Stealing people from btc just like btc stole people from FIAT&Gold.




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October 16, 2019, 07:02:57 AM
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Lets assume that those figures are correct, which they definitely aren't, but lets assume just for arguments sake. I don't know about you guys. but I would much rather a tight knitted community than a community run by the Bitcoin price, spamming the forum, and covered in alternate accounts trying to earn a quick buck now the Bitcoin price is up.

This forum in my opinion has been vital to providing new comers with information about Bitcoin, and has helped Bitcoin grow to where it is. Sure, there's rules on this forum to prevent it from being total chaos, but I think everyone can admit that freedom of speech is encouraged here, and the restrictions in place are always heavily considered before being implemented. Theymos has time, and time again decided to not implement something which limits users to an extent which he thinks effects users unfairly.

Look at the community projects which have been developed around this forum also. Vod, DmdrDmdr, and LoyceV have all developed things relating to the forum out of passion. That's the thing with this forum though users aren't here just because its the most popular Bitcoin forum, but because they're passionate about the forum, and the history of it.

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October 16, 2019, 07:10:21 AM
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I'm sure, as long as Bitcoin is alive, this forum will not die. The reputation of this forum is very good, so it is very difficult to beat this forum. as said above, many other forums fail to defeat this forum.

I tend to choose to follow trends, so if there is a new bitcoin forum, I try to register and see progress statistics. I think, so far no one has beaten this forum. I remain loyal in this forum.

You don't need to worry about it, even though we're losing some users we still have someone like Vod, Suchmoon, LoyceV, and the others. these guys are the pillars of this forum. without them, these whole things might already end years ago. and also they don't have someone supercomputer brain like DdmrDdmr, they won't even come close to the rank of this forum.

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October 16, 2019, 07:53:19 AM
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Check those numbers again next bull run. It's just a healthy cycle.
 

I agree. It is a crypto based cycle. Just look at the comparison between binance.com and bitcointalk.org






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October 16, 2019, 07:56:56 AM
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Well said, just to add some more important observation. If you observe, the forum has never engaged in any sort of advertisement to expose the forum to the general public yet it gets this number of audiences (that on it's on, is an achievement not many sites can burst off). A major contribution to the decline in forum visitors is just as a result of the current market conditions of cryptocurrencies in general.

Once the market returns to a favourable status (bull market), the media, new projects etc will get back to the usual of trying to cash in on the hype associated with the industry as a result bring about new and more audience to the forum since the forum indirectly profit from the success of the industry. More enthusiast, Investors, speculators etc = more forum audience (one way or the other).

PS: don't forget, the forum is a platform to connect bitcoin (cryptocurrency) enthusiast and not a hunting ground for audience for her selfish, financial needs.

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October 16, 2019, 10:28:46 AM
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New and old projects scramble to advertise themselves on the bitcointalk forum, who's not aware that this is one place you can reach a large amount of people and create some traffic for yourself, if the forum gets all this attention, how then can it go advertising itself elsewhere.

Advertisements are for traffic, to attract people to get involved,if the forum is really in need of such traffic as to advertise on other platforms, it then wouldn't ban users, nuke them, ban spam campaigns or even ever suggest a signature ban.

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October 16, 2019, 11:07:20 AM
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SimilarWeb numbers are BS and have been previously debunked in another thread started by the OP, I just can't be bothered to find it.

I think it is about this thread : Bitcointalk.org did it into the big cryptomedia today

It is strange for someone who has extremely negative views toward Bitcoin, at the same time shows concern for this forum. It is actually very simple to conclude why there is currently less traffic and less active users - the price of BTC is not so high, many members get permabanned and bounty hunting is not profitable as before.

The vast majority view this forum as a source of income, they do not spend time here because they are interested in the future of cryptocurrency or to spend time with other users. This new signature campaign has certainly improved the forum stats, so we don't have to worry about the future of the forum, YoBit will save us Wink

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October 16, 2019, 11:32:46 AM
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The vast majority view this forum as a source of income, they do not spend time here because they are interested in the future of cryptocurrency or to spend time with other users. This new signature campaign has certainly improved the forum stats, so we don't have to worry about the future of the forum, YoBit will save us Wink

This might be the effect of Yobit signature campaign.


Source: https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitcointalk.org

The traffic of bitcointalk was declining until a week ago. Is this due to Yobit signature campaign?

 
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October 16, 2019, 12:17:46 PM
Last edit: October 16, 2019, 01:30:10 PM by DdmrDdmr
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Alexa, as most of the traffic measuring sites, needs to be interpreted with caution. The information they show can be a symptom of something, but they do not resolve the cause which is normally multidimensional, and not down to a single factor.

The Alexa chart is showing data delimited to the USA (not worldwide, unless someone has credentials to access and unlock information at other geographical levels).
Each datapoint on the chart is calculated as follows (see https://blog.alexa.com/improving-your-alexa-rank):
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How is the Alexa Rank calculated?
Every day, Alexa estimates the average daily visitors and pageviews to every site over the past 3 months. The site with the highest combination of visitors and pageviews over the past 3 months is ranked #1. The site with the least is ranked somewhere around 30 million. If no one in our measurement panel visited a site over the past 3 months there is no rank at all for that site.

As per the above definition, your rank can decrease:
a)   Because a given site receives less visits and/or page view.
b)   Because other sites receive more visits and/or page views.
The rank is really expressed in terms of “global internet engagement”. That is, it is not contextualized to related or comparable internet sites, but rather to all internet sites.

Now one would no doubt prefer to see the graphic the other way round (an upward trend, and not a downward one), but the issue with the chart is that we cannot discern how much is due to “a”, and how much to “b”. If a bunch of other non-related sites have upped their visits and/or page views, that can cause quite a shift in the ranking.

Having said all that, I rather much like some of the information that @Coin-1 sums up on this thread: [Chart] Bitcointalk statistics on impression counts for ads. Specifically, the Unique IP and Unique logged-in charts, which place us back in 2017 metrics, but that represent endogenous data which is not influenced in the reading by the environment (such as happens on the Alexa chart).

I follow the post count (see https://public.tableau.com/shared/5G8SFTFN7?:display_count=yes&:origin=viz_share_link), but prefer the above information gathered by @Coin-1 if I had to choose the best first level objective metric.

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The vast majority view this forum as a source of income, they do not spend time here because they are interested in the future of cryptocurrency or to spend time with other users. This new signature campaign has certainly improved the forum stats, so we don't have to worry about the future of the forum, YoBit will save us Wink

It is also ironic, people who say cryptotalk.org won't become a big forum are the same guys who post in this forum only for those free sats.  Grin




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October 16, 2019, 01:15:21 PM
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It is also ironic, people who say cryptotalk.org won't become a big forum are the same guys who post in this forum only for those free sats.  Grin

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October 16, 2019, 01:27:05 PM
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Thank you DdmrDdmr for the reply.


The Alexa chart is showing data delimited to the USA (not worldwide, unless someone has credentials to access and unlock information at other geographical levels).
Look at top of the chart. It says " In global internet traffic and engagement... "
So, Doesn't this mean that the visitors from all over the world have been considered?
Also, Alexa shows the visitors by country: (USA: 13.5%, India: 13%, Brazil: 8.9%). So, I guess all the countries are considered not only USA.


As per the above definition, your rank can decrease:
a)   Because a given site receives less visits and/or page view.
b)   Because other sites receive more visits and/or page views.
I completely understand you. A website rank does depend on traffic of other websites too.
But, when a website rank increases 500 in a day, can't we say that " The website traffic has been increased." ?
I think it's unlikely that traffic of 500 websites decreases at the same time.  

 
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October 16, 2019, 01:36:28 PM
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This might be the effect of Yobit signature campaign.

The traffic of bitcointalk was declining until a week ago. Is this due to Yobit signature campaign?
Correlation is not causation. Volume has been chugging along and any small spikes are most likely just a higher granularity in the graph. If you look at the entries other than those few days then you see that they've just made large overarching lines.

I completely understand you. A website rank does depend on traffic of other websites too.
But, when a website rank increases 500 in a day, can't we say that " The website traffic has been increased." ?
I think it's unlikely that traffic of 500 websites decreases at the same time.
It's not completely accurate, since traffic could remain stagnant or even fall, yet rank could still increase. All you can sufficiently say is that their rank increases when their rank increases: a tautology.

No matter how you want to redefine it, it will eventually crawl back to being
rank increase |=| rank increase

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It is also ironic, people who say cryptotalk.org won't become a big forum are the same guys who post in this forum only for those free sats.  Grin
With the funding they're willing to put into advertising, and a long term campaign running on this forum will likely mean they will be a big forum, but a competitor? Depends on how you view it. If you're talking in terms of traffic then they might be a competitor, but quite frankly Bitcointalk.org is my home, and I imagine a lot of other users consider this their home away from home. Its not just a forum anymore, and is something which brings out real passion from its users.

If you compare the history, and passion from its users then Bitcointalk.org will always be the top dog in my eyes, and I'm not going to be using any other. Hell, I don't even use Reddit.

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No other forum has our legendary member Mr Satoshi except bitcointalk! So that itself makes this place original and other forums just like a sub branch no matter their page views or activity. But yeah, there should be more healthy competition Wink

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Last edit: October 16, 2019, 04:13:20 PM by tranthidung
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And I highly doubt bitcointalk is in trouble.  I'd like to ask OP when the forum was getting 30 million views per month.  That was probably in 2017?  If so, that makes sense.
I don't know when in happened (over 30 mil. total visits per day), but I agree with you that it likely happened in late of 2017.
Assumed monthly statistics on registered accounts of bitcointalk.org (2009-2019)
You can read more details in that thread, or have a quick glance. December of 2017 is the period when total monthly registered accounts in the forum hit its all time high - that is shown as a spike in the below time-series plot.
Code:
. list id day month2 year date regacc, abb(30)

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     |  id   day   month2   year        date   regacc |
     |------------------------------------------------|
  1. |   1     2       11   2009   02nov2009        3 |
  2. |   2     2       12   2009   02dec2009        8 |
  3. |   3     1        1   2010   01jan2010        8 |
  4. |   4    31        1   2010   31jan2010       22 |
  5. |   5     2        3   2010   02mar2010        5 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
  6. |   6     1        4   2010   01apr2010       22 |
  7. |   7     1        5   2010   01may2010       15 |
  8. |   8    31        5   2010   31may2010       33 |
  9. |   9    30        6   2010   30jun2010      325 |
 10. |  10    30        7   2010   30jul2010      159 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 11. |  11    29        8   2010   29aug2010      148 |
 12. |  12    28        9   2010   28sep2010      190 |
 13. |  13    28       10   2010   28oct2010      204 |
 14. |  14    27       11   2010   27nov2010      383 |
 15. |  15    27       12   2010   27dec2010      384 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 16. |  16    26        1   2011   26jan2011      938 |
 17. |  17    25        2   2011   25feb2011     2202 |
 18. |  18    27        3   2011   27mar2011     2737 |
 19. |  19    26        4   2011   26apr2011     4936 |
 20. |  20    26        5   2011   26may2011    14048 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 21. |  21    25        6   2011   25jun2011     6250 |
 22. |  22    25        7   2011   25jul2011     3903 |
 23. |  23    24        8   2011   24aug2011     2938 |
 24. |  24    23        9   2011   23sep2011     1983 |
 25. |  25    23       10   2011   23oct2011     1965 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 26. |  26    22       11   2011   22nov2011     1835 |
 27. |  27    22       12   2011   22dec2011     1812 |
 28. |  28    21        1   2012   21jan2012     2082 |
 29. |  29    20        2   2012   20feb2012     1901 |
 30. |  30    21        3   2012   21mar2012     2158 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 31. |  31    20        4   2012   20apr2012     1969 |
 32. |  32    20        5   2012   20may2012     2057 |
 33. |  33    19        6   2012   19jun2012     2040 |
 34. |  34    19        7   2012   19jul2012     2145 |
 35. |  35    18        8   2012   18aug2012     2419 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 36. |  36    17        9   2012   17sep2012     2661 |
 37. |  37    17       10   2012   17oct2012     2958 |
 38. |  38    16       11   2012   16nov2012     2763 |
 39. |  39    16       12   2012   16dec2012     2611 |
 40. |  40    15        1   2013   15jan2013     3320 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 41. |  41    14        2   2013   14feb2013     4933 |
 42. |  42    16        3   2013   16mar2013    13816 |
 43. |  43    15        4   2013   15apr2013    18162 |
 44. |  44    15        5   2013   15may2013    11318 |
 45. |  45    14        6   2013   14jun2013     8095 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 46. |  46    14        7   2013   14jul2013     6703 |
 47. |  47    13        8   2013   13aug2013     5505 |
 48. |  48    12        9   2013   12sep2013     4137 |
 49. |  49    12       10   2013   12oct2013     5632 |
 50. |  50    11       11   2013   11nov2013    26804 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 51. |  51    11       12   2013   11dec2013    28776 |
 52. |  52    10        1   2014   10jan2014    29576 |
 53. |  53     9        2   2014   09feb2014    29839 |
 54. |  54    11        3   2014   11mar2014    22534 |
 55. |  55    10        4   2014   10apr2014    18065 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 56. |  56    10        5   2014   10may2014    13071 |
 57. |  57     9        6   2014   09jun2014    12180 |
 58. |  58     9        7   2014   09jul2014    10561 |
 59. |  59     8        8   2014   08aug2014    10925 |
 60. |  60     7        9   2014   07sep2014     9418 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 61. |  61     7       10   2014   07oct2014     8218 |
 62. |  62     6       11   2014   06nov2014     7974 |
 63. |  63     6       12   2014   06dec2014     8136 |
 64. |  64     5        1   2015   05jan2015    23256 |
 65. |  65     4        2   2015   04feb2015    36913 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 66. |  66     6        3   2015   06mar2015    33500 |
 67. |  67     5        4   2015   05apr2015     8450 |
 68. |  68     5        5   2015   05may2015     8577 |
 69. |  69     4        6   2015   04jun2015    10303 |
 70. |  70     4        7   2015   04jul2015    11773 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 71. |  71     3        8   2015   03aug2015     9725 |
 72. |  72     2        9   2015   02sep2015     7644 |
 73. |  73     2       10   2015   02oct2015    68601 |
 74. |  74     1       11   2015   01nov2015    44059 |
 75. |  75     1       12   2015   01dec2015    37106 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 76. |  76    30        1   2016   30jan2016    42233 |
 77. |  77    29        2   2016   29feb2016    24213 |
 78. |  78    30        3   2016   30mar2016    19336 |
 79. |  79    29        4   2016   29apr2016    16031 |
 80. |  80    29        5   2016   29may2016    19935 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 81. |  81    28        6   2016   28jun2016    12582 |
 82. |  82    28        7   2016   28jul2016    10646 |
 83. |  83    27        8   2016   27aug2016     9986 |
 84. |  84    26        9   2016   26sep2016     9844 |
 85. |  85    26       10   2016   26oct2016    10718 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 86. |  86    25       11   2016   25nov2016    10691 |
 87. |  87    25       12   2016   25dec2016    12429 |
 88. |  88    24        1   2017   24jan2017    13664 |
 89. |  89    23        2   2017   23feb2017    13893 |
 90. |  90    25        3   2017   25mar2017    15276 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 91. |  91    24        4   2017   24apr2017    20585 |
 92. |  92    24        5   2017   24may2017    31381 |
 93. |  93    23        6   2017   23jun2017    35866 |
 94. |  94    23        7   2017   23jul2017    40726 |
 95. |  95    22        8   2017   22aug2017    45026 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
 96. |  96    21        9   2017   21sep2017    70477 |
 97. |  97    21       10   2017   21oct2017    95568 |
 98. |  98    20       11   2017   20nov2017   144762 |
 99. |  99    20       12   2017   20dec2017   238433 |
100. | 100    19        1   2018   19jan2018   136872 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
101. | 101    18        2   2018   18feb2018   107237 |
102. | 102    20        3   2018   20mar2018    87087 |
103. | 103    19        4   2018   19apr2018    89659 |
104. | 104    19        5   2018   19may2018    83999 |
105. | 105    18        6   2018   18jun2018    72430 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
106. | 106    18        7   2018   18jul2018    61360 |
107. | 107    17        8   2018   17aug2018    41451 |
108. | 108    16        9   2018   16sep2018    41516 |
109. | 109    16       10   2018   16oct2018    35335 |
110. | 110    15       11   2018   15nov2018    31502 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
111. | 111    15       12   2018   15dec2018    20733 |
112. | 112    14        1   2019   14jan2019    20046 |
113. | 113    28        2   2019   28feb2019    16202 |
114. | 114    31        3   2019   31mar2019    18932 |
115. | 115    30        4   2019   30apr2019    17910 |
     |------------------------------------------------|
116. | 116    30        5   2019   30may2019    24472 |
117. | 117    30        6   2019   30jun2019    22357 |


what are your plans to reverse this?
The forum now looks much better than months ago, especially before January of 2018 - when merit system born and positively changed the forum and users' posting habit. Personally and honestly, I don't see there are convincible reasons to reverse the forum back to its status in 2017.

To reverse, there are something have to be deactivated, such as merit system, and bump score. They all have played their roles very well and positively, so I don't think they will be deactivated.

Generally, the forum does not get any benefits from over high daily traffics if most of visitors are spammers, bounty hunters, and scammers. They only destroy the forum's reputation, and it is not what the forum as well as good users expect.




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October 16, 2019, 04:03:49 PM
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No other forum has our legendary member Mr Satoshi except bitcointalk! So that itself makes this place original and other forums just like a sub branch no matter their page views or activity. But yeah, there should be more healthy competition Wink

Keep in mind in cryto currencies, the first one is the the Bitcoin and the rest are all the altcoins.
Similarly, In crypto forums, No forum can compete or come close to give any competition to bitcointalk. You can combine all the other crypto forums and you will find this forum traffic and interest is far beyond the combination of all others.

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October 16, 2019, 04:50:21 PM
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Going over data Archived data (http://archive.fo/https://cryptotalk.org/), Cryptotalk seems to be slowing down a bit:



New members per day was 165 on average between 10/10/2019 and today, whilst being of 385 on the prior six day window. Posts per day is stable, but that is due likely to the added new members that manage to keep the numbers at the same rate (Bitcointalk is currently on 22K new accounts per month, although bots to hit Bitcointalk probably a fair share more).

The above is not too meaningful really, as there are only a too few data points to conclude anything yet, but it does seem point to it not being easy to keep a steady flow of people enrolling on a new forum, even if paid to do so.

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October 16, 2019, 05:10:25 PM
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Going over data Archived data (http://archive.fo/https://cryptotalk.org/), Cryptotalk seems to be slowing down a bit:



New members per day was 165 on average between 10/10/2019 and today, whilst being of 385 on the prior six day window. Posts per day is stable, but that is due likely to the added new members that manage to keep the numbers at the same rate (Bitcointalk is currently on 22K new accounts per month, although bots to hit Bitcointalk probably a fair share more).

The above is not too meaningful really, as there are only a too few data points to conclude anything yet, but it does seem point to it not being easy to keep a steady flow of people enrolling on a new forum, even if paid to do so.


It does not seems to slow down much. New members per day will decrease naturally but the main thing is that posts per day is stable. And how much cryptotalk is spending to keep their forum alive. Below is the rough estimate

Pay per Post = 1000 Sat

Daily Posts: 6387 * 1000 = 0.06387000 BTC  approx 510$ paying daily

Total Posts: 84384 * 1000= 0.84384000 BTC  approx 6,724$  has been spend so far in approx 15 days

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