MMA talk - PFL, Bellator, KSW, ONE...

[YuginKadoya]

No Jake Paul haven't lose any single fight in boxing, actually he's still an undefeated boxer.

Well it's funny to see Paul is looking to grow his name on MMA career, although he's still cherry pick his opponent lol. In boxing he cherry picked a fighter without any boxing skills and old. In MMA he choose Nate Diaz which one who suffer many losses and already old too.

If it's listed on bookie, I wouldn't be surprised if Paul will become favorite and he we will win the fight.

Oh sorry, what I mean is Logan Paul and not Jake Paul I might have mixed them because they got the same surname and the same face aswell, well Logan Paul has a Wrestling background and not Jake Paul, and Jake Paul is undefeated for picking his fights and he is good at picking them, the result is incredible from a decision win to a solid knockout, so if Logan Paul would switch to MMA maybe he can have a chance going into the ground but he really needs a great coach and teacher in teaching him technique that used in the MMA, although I really don't like Logan Paul because of so much drama in the internet, both brothers have proven that they have what it takes on combat sports,

Also the poster is a bit confusing. The bottom of it - like two vs two fight. And most laughable, it is two guys vs two chick fight. I wish we have something like that.

I don't know what was confusing about that.
They need to put all the fights on one small poster size and it's clear with VS letters who is fighting against who.
Highlights of al fights and full video of everything is already available on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtbJJzbwEfk

TopTort777 was really confused with the poster that he thought it was a 2 female VS 2 male fight, well we should consider that I think combat sports like OneChampionship would not allow such things, or maybe TopTort777 is just trolling with us, and he just saying such things to just confuse us, but surely it is really clear for some that they just fitted all the fights in 1 poster well, ONEChampionship just doing this thing this way where they will just put on all the available fighters on that event poster, while in the UFC, they will just put the main event fight or main event and the co-main event in the poster of the events, well, let's just wait for Toptort777 for some explanation, knowing him I think he is just trolling with us,

[notblox1]

Francis Ngannou is out of UFC and he is free agent now!

Last time Ngannou complained because UFC fighters doesn't have doesn't have any health insurance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHSBaSqpygk

What do you think will be his next steps after he got rid of Dana's prison?
Ngannou will sign better contract with PFL?
Ngannou will sign contract with Bellator or other MMA organization?
Ngannou will have mega boxing heavyweight fight with Tyson Fury?

[Apocollapse]

What do you think will be his next steps after he got rid of Dana's prison?
Ngannou will sign better contract with PFL?
Ngannou will sign contract with Bellator or other MMA organization?
Ngannou will have mega boxing heavyweight fight with Tyson Fury?

I pick the first speculation since there's a photo where Ngannou's family wear PFL shirt, Bellator and the other MMA organizations aren't better than UFC or PFL. But speaking of health insurance, I don't find any official news where there's a MMA organizations offer long term health insurance including PFL. But maybe Ngannou is wanted to be treat as special, but UFC offer's doesn't make him satisfied.

Ngannou isn't really a great puncher, he will face a lot trouble if he fight with a professional boxer like Fury, Usyk, Joshua.

[TopTort777]

TopTort777 was really confused with the poster that he thought it was a 2 female VS 2 male fight, well we should consider that I think combat sports like OneChampionship would not allow such things, or maybe TopTort777 is just trolling with us, and he just saying such things to just confuse us, but surely it is really clear for some that they just fitted all the fights in 1 poster well, ONEChampionship just doing this thing this way where they will just put on all the available fighters on that event poster, while in the UFC, they will just put the main event fight or main event and the co-main event in the poster of the events, well, let's just wait for Toptort777 for some explanation, knowing him I think he is just trolling with us,

Also the poster is a bit confusing. The bottom of it - like two vs two fight. And most laughable, it is two guys vs two chick fight. I wish we have something like that.

I don't know what was confusing about that.

Nope, not trolling But you wish I would.

I was browsing forum from a tablet. I saw a poster. As usually, it is left fighter against right fighter. So I see Mawynn vs Allazov, Kiatmoo9 vs Puertas, and on the bottom Jaroonsak and Vandereya vs Woong and Sato. I was like ftw. (like in tennis, they place 2 players silhouettes vs 2 player silhouettes on a poster). Though that crazy Asians organized such fight. And I would not be much surprised if they really did that.

I was confused because we have this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjK1xUEUqbg (if you rewind you would find big chick vs two guys fight lol), this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUkzJUDqJUU (it is 5 vs 5 match) and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLt52ra7YeE (this is like a non-stop tournament in rectangle)

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What do you think will be his next steps after he got rid of Dana's prison?
Ngannou will sign better contract with PFL?
Ngannou will sign contract with Bellator or other MMA organization?
Ngannou will have mega boxing heavyweight fight with Tyson Fury?

I pick the first speculation since there's a photo where Ngannou's family wear PFL shirt, Bellator and the other MMA organizations aren't better than UFC or PFL. But speaking of health insurance, I don't find any official news where there's a MMA organizations offer long term health insurance including PFL. But maybe Ngannou is wanted to be treat as special, but UFC offer's doesn't make him satisfied.

Ngannou isn't really a great puncher, he will face a lot trouble if he fight with a professional boxer like Fury, Usyk, Joshua.

Would the champ on PFL or Bellator be able to set their heavyweight to fight against Ngannou?  Francis is a lot scarier and bigger than any of their champs. Yes, he will be paid more than what UFC may have offered but I doubt the champs on other promotions will even agree to fight Ngannou.

Francis expressed his interest in boxing because of the enormous amount of money to make but he will also be beaten IMO. He hasn't fought even one boxing pro fight yet even if he is to first fight Joshua, Francis will be outboxed.

[jeremypwr]

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[YuginKadoya]

Francis Ngannou is out of UFC and he is free agent now!

Last time Ngannou complained because UFC fighters doesn't have doesn't have any health insurance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHSBaSqpygk

What do you think will be his next steps after he got rid of Dana's prison?
Ngannou will sign better contract with PFL?
Ngannou will sign contract with Bellator or other MMA organization?
Ngannou will have mega boxing heavyweight fight with Tyson Fury?

It was really a bummer to see Francis Ngannoue Leaving he was the best heavyweight despite being a fan of Cyril Gane that fight between them was a big fight in the history of the Heavyweight division in the UFC, and I think that he wants to change the contract in the UFC not for just him but for all the fighters in the UFC because if other sports fighting organization can do it why doesn't the UFC,

For me, as Sean Strickland has said he needs to do the boxing 1st because that is a big money fight if Tyson Fury is still game about it, then after that I think he can do whatever he wants then he can choose best contract signing in his taste whenever it is on the PFL, Bellator, or even Cage Warriors but I am still waiting for news about this if he's going to really sign any of it, I have just seen a video that his mom wearing a PFL t-shirt, that the PFL has really offered him a contract but there is no statement if he will, anyway let's just wait for further information,

Nope, not trolling But you wish I would.

I was browsing forum from a tablet. I saw a poster. As usually, it is left fighter against right fighter. So I see Mawynn vs Allazov, Kiatmoo9 vs Puertas, and on the bottom Jaroonsak and Vandereya vs Woong and Sato. I was like ftw. (like in tennis, they place 2 players silhouettes vs 2 player silhouettes on a poster). Though that crazy Asians organized such fight. And I would not be much surprised if they really did that.

I was confused because we have this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjK1xUEUqbg (if you rewind you would find big chick vs two guys fight lol), this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUkzJUDqJUU (it is 5 vs 5 match) and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLt52ra7YeE (this is like a non-stop tournament in rectangle)

I really wish you are trolling lol, but it seems you just misunderstand the poster, and I really understand that it was really a confusing poster at 1st but looking further into it I understand it completely,

well, those Different gender fights should not be tolerated anymore I think it was stopped completely because it is not really appropriate to watch, and there are already laws about hitting a woman so that said events will conflict with the law unless the girls will accept those fight will sign a waiver that they are willing to participate in those kind of things, or there are no more fighters that want to participate on those things anymore,

[notblox1]

Ngannou isn't really a great puncher, he will face a lot trouble if he fight with a professional boxer like Fury, Usyk, Joshua.

Are you serious?  
You either never watched his fights in your life or you mixed him with someone else.
Ngannou won 71% of his fights with KO, 26% with submission and he never lost a fight in same fashion, and he has the world record of hardest punch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC_t7h1JTls

Francis expressed his interest in boxing because of the enormous amount of money to make but he will also be beaten IMO. He hasn't fought even one boxing pro fight yet even if he is to first fight Joshua, Francis will be outboxed.

Joshua is chicken, but I am expecting Tyson Fury vs Ngannou.
I would bet on Fury if the fight is starting tomorrow, but let's give Ngannou some time to prepare.
For me this would be one of the most popular combat sport events, and potential trilogy if Ngannou manages to knock him out.

[TopTort777]

well, those Different gender fights should not be tolerated anymore I think it was stopped completely because it is not really appropriate to watch,

Mark my words, we will have woman vs man combat fights next 10-15 years. Right now we have transgenders that compete among other gender. I think and call this cheating. I have never seen woman changing gender and participating among men. I have only seen man among women. I think in weightlifting during Olympic games, and I've heard that in running there was a transgender that performed on a high level. Damn, I dont even want to discuss such things, as this is so wrong. I was raised that man is a man, woman is a woman. There is no "if".

[notblox1]

This week is full of very good MMA events.
Invicta all female MMA competition is back tomorrow with new event Invicta FC 51 Tennant vs Bernardo for Bantamweight Championship title belt.
Co main event is also interesting for vacant Flyweight Championship title between Kristina Williams and Ketlen Souza.
It's Brazil vs United States in this two fights but few other fights are also worth checking out.


http://invictafc.com/

[YuginKadoya]

Mark my words, we will have woman vs man combat fights next 10-15 years. Right now we have transgenders that compete among other gender. I think and call this cheating. I have never seen woman changing gender and participating among men. I have only seen man among women. I think in weightlifting during Olympic games, and I've heard that in running there was a transgender that performed on a high level. Damn, I dont even want to discuss such things, as this is so wrong. I was raised that man is a man, woman is a woman. There is no "if".

Well, right now the teachings have been forgotten by many, and right now we are seeing on TV or social media about married same-sex couples and that this is just natural to have like there are no punishments for disobeying the law of GOD, sorry but this is for another topic, and if I continue any further this is going to be off-topic, but maybe you are right seeing that it is being normalized on the TV and social media maybe we will have something like this, they surely have it in the past so why not having It again,

But I really like your enthusiasm about this kind of topic, but I really want the normal thing that I see, for me, it is not really right in seeing different gender fight each other I know there are stronger women out there that can destroy 2 men's at the same time but there are a 1 out of 10 of them out there and not much,

This week is full of very good MMA events.
Invicta all female MMA competition is back tomorrow with new event Invicta FC 51 Tennant vs Bernardo for Bantamweight Championship title belt.
Co main event is also interesting for vacant Flyweight Championship title between Kristina Williams and Ketlen Souza.
It's Brazil vs United States in this two fights but few other fights are also worth checking out.


http://invictafc.com/

Invicta is surprising me with full fighting kittens events, nice one from Invicta well I will be picking my fighting kittens and for me, I will be picking Kristina Williams, Olga Rubin, Claire Guthrie, Elisandra Ferreiram, Katie Saull, Rayanne dos Santos, and Fatima Kline is what I think the most Beautiful fighting kittens and Invicta and I will surely take a look on this fight when it starts,

[TopTort777]

I know there are stronger women out there that can destroy 2 men's at the same time but there are a 1 out of 10 of them out there and not much,

Gabi Garcia can easily mow down half of the forum I've seen some chicks in the gym, training kickboxing or boxing. Bust most of them were, like you say, kitten looking ones. Even those who were crazy for training, sparring and participating in tournament.

Does anyone know of in ring referees are protecting women in fights more the men? I mean if they stop quicker if they see blood or connected strike? Or let as this is a professional sport, they are equal to everyone. If this is a knockdown, then wait till knockout comes and dont do early stoppage for example?

[tokeweed]

Hey guys, just found out that Betnomi now has a betting market for ONE, KSW and Invicta too.    I'm not really sure about these fighters at Invicta and KSW tho but I'm looking forward to having a closer look at the events at ONE FC.  They even have odds for the Muay Thai match ups.

Betnomi's site also looks the same as bitsport.bet.  It was a small sports betting site that I really liked before but it didn't stay online long.  

[notblox1]

Hey guys, just found out that Betnomi now has a betting market for ONE, KSW and Invicta too.    I'm not really sure about these fighters at Invicta and KSW tho but I'm looking forward to having a closer look at the events at ONE FC.  They even have odds for the Muay Thai match ups.

They had this MMA markets for some time, they have most of the MMA events available from all crypto gambling website, and Betnomi is currently one of the best place for making bets on MMA events.
Markets can be found earlier than on other gambling websites and odds are not always highest but they are good and they offer more betting options.
Some thing should be improved for making higher limits for bets and improving withdrawals, before I could use this website more than now.  

[TopTort777]

I have checked 3 sites and so far Betnomi offer similar to Duelbits level odds.

On UFC 283 main events example:

Betnomi: Texeira 2.14 / Hill 1.71
Duelbits: Texeira 2.11 / Hill 1.74
Stake: Texeira 2.14 / Hill 1.77

Betnomi: Figueiredo 2.00 / Moreno 1.81
Duelbits: Figueiredo 2.00 / Moreno 1.82
Stake: Figueiredo 2.04 / Moreno 1.85

Taking into consideration, that Betnomi looks new (at least for me), they aim to take a solid place on betting industry. As to betting options - a lot of casinos offer to place bets on KSW, but only few on Bellator. Why nobody loves Bellator? Why Bellator is such an outcast? Any thoughts ?

[tokeweed]

^  Stake has mostly the best lines across the board and in any sport imho.  Around 5 years ago it was Nitrogen but they don't have a market for props and their lines have gotten not so good over time.

As for Bellator events, they're ok but between that and ONE FC, if they were happening at the same time I'd def watch ONE FC.  The action is just faster and I like how they allow knees to the head vs a grounded opponent.  

Hey guys, just found out that Betnomi now has a betting market for ONE, KSW and Invicta too.    I'm not really sure about these fighters at Invicta and KSW tho but I'm looking forward to having a closer look at the events at ONE FC.  They even have odds for the Muay Thai match ups.

They had this MMA markets for some time, they have most of the MMA events available from all crypto gambling website, and Betnomi is currently one of the best place for making bets on MMA events.
Markets can be found earlier than on other gambling websites and odds are not always highest but they are good and they offer more betting options.
Some thing should be improved for making higher limits for bets and improving withdrawals, before I could use this website more than now.  

I go around different books from time to time to take a peek at the different lines, I never noticed Betnomi til now.  It was FJ that used to have ONE FC but they removed it prolly because there was no action.

[notblox1]

Why nobody loves Bellator? Why Bellator is such an outcast? Any thoughts ?

I don't know what are you talking about, you can't have Bellator odds when you don't have Bellator events starting before February 4.
Betnomi and Stake are offering events that are starting in one week I think, and Sportsbet sometimes adds it just few days before major events.
It's similar for most sports, they are not adding future events and rounds far into future, unless it's World Cup or other big competitions.

As for Bellator events, they're ok but between that and ONE FC, if they were happening at the same time I'd def watch ONE FC.  The action is just faster and I like how they allow knees to the head vs a grounded opponent.  

No way, One Championship is not better than Bellator.
PFL and Bellator are sharing the second place bellow UFC, and everyone else is far behind, except maybe few exceptional fighters.

[YuginKadoya]

I know there are stronger women out there that can destroy 2 men's at the same time but there are a 1 out of 10 of them out there and not much,

Gabi Garcia can easily mow down half of the forum I've seen some chicks in the gym, training kickboxing or boxing. Bust most of them were, like you say, kitten looking ones. Even those who were crazy for training, sparring and participating in tournament.

Does anyone know of in ring referees are protecting women in fights more the men? I mean if they stop quicker if they see blood or connected strike? Or let as this is a professional sport, they are equal to everyone. If this is a knockdown, then wait till knockout comes and dont do early stoppage for example?

That was a beast of a steroid woman, and for me, that is not a figure of a fighting kitten, but Gabi Garcia with that muscular physique could surely mow down one division but she will be listed on the heavyweights because there is no such division on the UFC she can not compete in the UFC but last time she has to compete was from ADCC World Championships last September 18, 2022, and lost to Amy Campo against a grappling it seems that raw power pretty much has a weakness after all, she even defeated by Amanda Leve and Nathiely de Jesus against grappling aswell,

I think because many know how vulnerable women are they will surely have a rule about that but I think the 2 dudes vs woman that you shared I think that is an example that those 2 men don't have any experience with fighting while the women fought surely has a lot of experience regarding it, but the rules of maybe protecting women at times can still apply there just in case,

[TopTort777]

As for Bellator events, they're ok but between that and ONE FC, if they were happening at the same time I'd def watch ONE FC.  The action is just faster and I like how they allow knees to the head vs a grounded opponent.  

Or because One FC events are more frequent than Bellator. As well as there are lots of light guys in One FC, while Bellator prefer to huge guys All those Asians and Thai guys. You cant grow a huge body on rice and chicken. And they are ffs quick. Btw ONE Friday Fights 1 starts in 3 hours Are you going to watch ?

I don't know what are you talking about, you can't have Bellator odds when you don't have Bellator events starting before February 4.
Betnomi and Stake are offering events that are starting in one week I think, and Sportsbet sometimes adds it just few days before major events.
It's similar for most sports, they are not adding future events and rounds far into future, unless it's World Cup or other big competitions.

Then maybe this is only because I rarely see Bellator among MMA on betting platforms. If you say that platforms add events only several weeks before they happen. Then they often have UFC events months and quarter ahead? Like why I can bet on Usman vs Edwards 3 that will happen on March 18 only? Its two months ahead.

[tokeweed]

As for Bellator events, they're ok but between that and ONE FC, if they were happening at the same time I'd def watch ONE FC.  The action is just faster and I like how they allow knees to the head vs a grounded opponent.  

Or because One FC events are more frequent than Bellator. As well as there are lots of light guys in One FC, while Bellator prefer to huge guys All those Asians and Thai guys. You cant grow a huge body on rice and chicken. And they are ffs quick. Btw ONE Friday Fights 1 starts in 3 hours Are you going to watch ?

Dunno..  I kinda see Bellator as something like a low tier B league to the UFC.  I think if the guys at ONE FC work on their TD defense and grappling, they'd hold their own in Bellator.  And as you said, the ONE FC guys are quick and prefer to fight stand up more than on the ground which make it a lot more fun to watch.

Yeah I'm watching but didn't make no bets tho.  I just have it playing in the background rn.  Did you make any bets for the event?