MMA talk - PFL, Bellator, KSW, ONE...

[tokeweed]

Did you guys watch the ONE on Prime event?  Missed it but heard the makn event between John Lineker and Fabricio De Andrade was a banger.  I also heard some comments saying that De Andrade is a beast and could prolly hold his own in the UFC.  And he's just 25 years old.  Seems like ONE is having great talent in their roster recently...

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[YuginKadoya]

next weekend the oktagon 40 event will start with a total of 11 cage fights. among others the czech David Kozma will fight against the polish cage fighter Łukasz Siwiec in welterweight.
all other duels can be seen in the graphic below.

I watched the recent Oktagon fight and it was really a great change in watching it if we still haven't got any juicy UFC events, well in this kind of event you can surely see some diamonds that if a polish will surely be a good fighter in the future, but if left behind that diamond will sure go to waste, pretty much watching these fights also have some learning for us and for some fighters that wants to be on top of the MMA industry, surely not all Polish diamond are all in the UFC,

I don't think Francis will ever be back in the UFC again and Dana as well does not want to entertain those demands. Most likely the Tyson Fury fight is his biggest payday, maybe $10m? And Fury is scheduled to face Usyk in the first half of this year. Maybe Francis can ink a 1 fight deal in any MMA org or BKFC or boxing. The issue though is a single defeat can cancel his potential Fury payday. Maybe Francis can have an MMA fight against a beatable opponent while waiting for Fury. Boxing or BKFC tune-up might be risky since Francis will surely lose stamina with his heavy arms if he can't stop his opponent in the first 3 rounds.

For me, Francis Ngannou will not back down on a challenge even though it is a hard opponent in some other MMA organization he will surely accept that Ngannou for me is the best in the industry right now in beating Ciryl Gane you will need to be more technical than him, and Francis Ngannou defeated him with just 1 knee, that is why it surely end up with a decision win for Ngannou, he can surely beat any heavyweight in the PFL, or Bellator for sure, before he can get a big break in his 1-time boxing fight with Tyson Fury, all 20 matches 12 Knockouts 4 submission and only 1 decision win is not a bad record, but an almost perfect record if it wasn't for that 1 decision win,

[eaLiTy]

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For me, Francis Ngannou will not back down on a challenge even though it is a hard opponent in some other MMA organization he will surely accept that Ngannou for me is the best in the industry right now in beating Ciryl Gane you will need to be more technical than him, and Francis Ngannou defeated him with just 1 knee, that is why it surely end up with a decision win for Ngannou, he can surely beat any heavyweight in the PFL, or Bellator for sure, before he can get a big break in his 1-time boxing fight with Tyson Fury, all 20 matches 12 Knockouts 4 submission and only 1 decision win is not a bad record, but an almost perfect record if it wasn't for that 1 decision win,

Francis Ngannou did not win against Ciryl Gane because he was technically superior with his striking, he was able to take down Ciryl Gane easily and was able to control him on the ground. I wonder how Jon Jones is going to man handle Ciryl Gane on the ground if Francis Ngannou can take him down without much technical prowess and the biggest fight right now in MMA is Francis and Jon Jones and hopefully we will be able to see that next year.

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For me, Francis Ngannou will not back down on a challenge even though it is a hard opponent in some other MMA organization he will surely accept that Ngannou for me is the best in the industry right now in beating Ciryl Gane you will need to be more technical than him, and Francis Ngannou defeated him with just 1 knee, that is why it surely end up with a decision win for Ngannou, he can surely beat any heavyweight in the PFL, or Bellator for sure, before he can get a big break in his 1-time boxing fight with Tyson Fury, all 20 matches 12 Knockouts 4 submission and only 1 decision win is not a bad record, but an almost perfect record if it wasn't for that 1 decision win,

Francis Ngannou did not win against Ciryl Gane because he was technically superior with his striking, he was able to take down Ciryl Gane easily and was able to control him on the ground. I wonder how Jon Jones is going to man handle Ciryl Gane on the ground if Francis Ngannou can take him down without much technical prowess and the biggest fight right now in MMA is Francis and Jon Jones and hopefully we will be able to see that next year.

It was said that Jones was asking $30M in fighting against Ngannou. There wouldn't be a big margin difference if the fight happens, Ngaannou might also ask that high too. There would be a big hype before they can even agree verbally but because Ngannou is not much of a big talker to attempt trash talk, it may not be easy for Dana to give him how much he wants.

There was a piece of news where Ngannou already has turned down promotions, he may be asking for way more if they have to hurry the fight. Francis is not getting younger.

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This week there are two MMA events we can watch, it's Cage Warriors 149 and PFL Challenger week 6, the match will happen on the next 2 days. In CW 149 there's an interesting fighter where's live on Guam, I haven't heard this country before. He's Ricky Camp, he will fight with Wilson Reis which have a bad record, I think it will be easy fight for Ricky Camp. As for PFL week 6, many people think David Evans will lose, since Brahyan Zurcher have an undefeated record. But David Evans is a good fighter too, his one lost is just a number.



Cage Warriors 149: San Diego Quick Card:

Roberto Hernandez  vs.  John De Jesus 145 lbs
Wilson Reis  vs.  Ricky Camp 135 lbs
Bill Wilson  vs.  Obadiah Johnson 155 lbs
Blake Perry  vs.  Joshua Nakagawa 170 lbs
James Lynch  vs.  Guilherme Santos 155 lbs
Alberto Romo  vs.  Alex Trinidad 155 lbs
Damon Wilson  vs.  Shawn Johnson 145 lbs



PFL Challenger Series 2023 Quick Card:

Brahyan Zurcher  vs.  David Evans 145 lbs
Nate Kelly  vs.  Zachary Hicks 145 lbs
Ago Huskić  vs.  G. Braga 145 lbs
Vikas Singh Ruhil  vs.  James Gonzalez 145 lbs

Source: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/97401-cage-warriors-149-san-diego
https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/95444-pfl-challenger-series-14

[notblox1]

Sorry fellows but I am busy this week and I can't follow what is happening in MMA world
From information you posted I dont see anything special that I am missing with PFL and Cage Warriors.
I will try to find some time and focus only on UFC this weekend with great fight card Jones vs Gane.

[YuginKadoya]

Sorry fellows but I am busy this week and I can't follow what is happening in MMA world
From information you posted I dont see anything special that I am missing with PFL and Cage Warriors.
I will try to find some time and focus only on UFC this weekend with great fight card Jones vs Gane.

Yup! pretty much I am doing the same thing I was really busy with the main event on the UFC 285, and some other things with research and stuff on the Bundesliga, NBA, and boxing aswell, I guess we need an individual thread for certain combat sports companies so posters can focus more on that kind of Combat sports because with these there is so much content to post with the PFL, LFA, Cage Warriors, Bellator One Championship, and other people can not decide of a topic, but surely those other combat sports companies don't have so many fans like the UFC has, so it could have no people getting interested in some combat sports rather than the UFC,


Surely even though there are many that just focus only on the UFC, I think many of you will be interested in these upcoming events because I do,

Bellator 292: Nurmagomedov vs. Henderson



Friday 03.10.2023 at 07:00 PM ET
Promotion: Bellator MMA
Location: San Jose, California, United States

Bellator MMA Lightweight Championship
MAIN EVENT

Usman Nurmagomedov VS Benson Henderson

CO-MAIN EVENT

Tofiq Musayev VS Alexander Shabliy

MAIN CARD

Valentin Moldavsky VS Linton Vassell
Michael Page VS Goiti Yamauchi

PRELIMINARY CARD

Enrique Barzola VS Erik Perez
Josh Hill VS Cass Bell
Khalid Murtazaliev VS Tony Johnson
Julius Anglickas VS Dovletdzhan Yagshimuradov
Bobby Seronio III VS Alberto Garcia
Laird Anderson VS Rogelio Luna
Wladmir Gouvea VS Sean Tucker
Theo Haig VS Adam Wamsley
Dupree Stewart VS Demetri Georgiades

All information was from TAPOLOGY

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Benson Henderson still standing at 39. I'm not a fan of Nurmagomedov, I barely knew Bellator fighters but seeing he is younger with an untainted record, Henderson will not look good in this.

Surprisingly, this is a Lightweight Championship. By the looks of it, this is going to be a wrestling match. Henderson did manage to win two Decisions before this coming fight. It will be a waste of a Dagestan fighter and a satisfying win for Henderson at least before this guy retires.

[YuginKadoya]

Benson Henderson still standing at 39. I'm not a fan of Nurmagomedov, I barely knew Bellator fighters but seeing he is younger with an untainted record, Henderson will not look good in this.

Surprisingly, this is a Lightweight Championship. By the looks of it, this is going to be a wrestling match. Henderson did manage to win two Decisions before this coming fight. It will be a waste of a Dagestan fighter and a satisfying win for Henderson at least before this guy retires.

That is why this is going to be a great fight Benson Henderson is a great fighter he surely had aged but his skill and level in wrestling are still there, he is once in the UFC and likely fighters like Michael Chandler having a hard time submitting him, and having a win against Nate Diaz, Frankie Edgar, and Clay Guida he is known as a submission artist, and his unique feature in his wrestling was the way he escapes from his opponent every time they submit him, that is why this is going to be a great fight because he is facing a Nurmagomedov and this Nurmagomedov is an improved version of Khabib because of his unique kicks Usman is the kicking Nurmagomedov,

For me, the fight will surely be one of the great fights Bellator has ever shown to their fans well Usman Nurmagomedov has always shown starting with the stand-up with a combination of punches and kicks that Benson Henderson likely might have a hard time with but both men could rather take the takedown route which both fighters also excels in this kind of thing and in this Benson Henderson is like a snake while escaping those submission attempts on him, but Usman Nurmagomedov grip will surely be put to the test, for me even if Benson Henderson keeps on escaping those submission attempts of Nurmagomedov Usman can always win with a KO/TKO and his kicks have proven lethal and has a good range in his opponents,

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There's an upcoming event, it's LFA 154 where the main event is the fight between Lucas Fernando vs Jansey Silva and the co main event is Eduardo Neves vs Hyago Silva. Actually all of them have a similar record, but based on the prediction it seems it's really one sided where Eduardo Neves is predicted to have 79% winning chance and Lucas Fernando have 94% winning chance.



LFA 154 Quick Card:

Lucas Fernando  vs.  Jansey Silva 185 lbs
Eduardo Neves  vs.  Hyago Silva 265 lbs
Carlos Prates  vs.  Eduardo Ramon 170 lbs
Jean Matsumoto  vs.  Marlon Basílio 135 lbs
Felipe Douglas  vs.  Kauê Fernandes 155 lbs
Mateus Messaros  vs.  Rodolfo Bellato 205 lbs
Lucas Sampaio  vs.  Julio Spadaccini 170 lbs
Lany Silva  vs.  Sabrina Oliveira 115 lbs
Luana Santos  vs.  Bartira Rodrigues 125 lbs
Reginaldo Junior  vs.  Richard Martins 170 lbs
Rhalber Bernardo  vs.  Gabriel Costa 155 lbs
Guilherme Uriel  vs.  Jhonatan Peçanha 265 lbs
Bruno Teixeira  vs.  Michael Oliveira 170 lbs

Source: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/97603-lfa-154-fernando-vs-silva

[yazher]

Surprisingly, this is a Lightweight Championship. By the looks of it, this is going to be a wrestling match. Henderson did manage to win two Decisions before this coming fight. It will be a waste of a Dagestan fighter and a satisfying win for Henderson at least before this guy retires.

That would be a huge upset but I think they just wanted to safely assure some win for Nurmagomedov here and get him ready for a stronger opponent in the future because he is now a champion, he needed some good fight before making going into a real war with someone who is in his level.

They are really doing good in all MMA competitions out there and in these past few years, they are always making some noise, especially the team Khabib who are making some real champions because of their paid hard work in their intensive training.

[notblox1]

Surely even though there are many that just focus only on the UFC, I think many of you will be interested in these upcoming events because I do

This Bellator event is definitely  worth checking out, Usman Nurmagomedov is one of the best lightweighj fighters in the world with perfect 16-0 record.
I don't know many of the fighters from prelims, but main card has some good fights and it's nice to combine it with all other MMA events from this week.
Odds on Nurmagomedov are so low that it doesn't make any sense to bet on straight win for him, but I don't think this fight will go to distance.
This guys win extra money, rewards and points for stoppage win in World Grand Prix Tournament, and I think reward was $1 million last time!

Sportsbet already released this card on their website:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/mma/bellator/bellator-292/matches

[cygan]

exactly in one week (17-03) the ksw 80 event will take place in lubin, poland. the main fight for the interim featherweight belt will be contested by german cage fighter Lom-Ali Eskiev (2-1-0) and pole Robert Ruchała (5-0-0). among other things, there will again be a female duel - Emilia Czerwińska (poland, 2-0-0) will meet the debutant Yasmina Guimarães (brazil)

[eaLiTy]

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It was said that Jones was asking $30M in fighting against Ngannou. There wouldn't be a big margin difference if the fight happens, Ngaannou might also ask that high too. There would be a big hype before they can even agree verbally but because Ngannou is not much of a big talker to attempt trash talk, it may not be easy for Dana to give him how much he wants.

Not sure about the amount Jon Jones was asking but the disclosed amount Jon Jones took home after UFC 285 is over $10 million and Francis Ngannou was offered a much bigger purse and still he rejected it, one thing about UFC payday is that the published amount will be much smaller than the original awarded amount. For example, for UFC 148 the published amount Chael Sonnen got is $50,000 but recently Chael Sonnen claimed that his original payday for that rematch with Anderson Silva was over $8 million and that was in 2012.

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Surprisingly, this is a Lightweight Championship. By the looks of it, this is going to be a wrestling match. Henderson did manage to win two Decisions before this coming fight. It will be a waste of a Dagestan fighter and a satisfying win for Henderson at least before this guy retires.

Benson Henderson was my favorite fighter but it is time for him to hang the glove as he has been to many wars and he is a heavy underdog coming into this fight because he is taking on Usman Nurmagomedov who is way ahead in terms of talent and much younger and there is no way it is going to be an upset as Usman Nurmagomedov is really good in his feet and great on the ground.

My parlay picks for the event are Usman Nurmagomedov, Michael Page, Valentin Moldavsky, Theo Haig, Laird Anderson and Josh Hill.

[notblox1]

I think Usman Nurmagomedov will be very motivated for his next fight in Bealltor against Benson Henderson.
Islam Makhachev will be in his corner with Islam Mamedov, Umar Nurmagomedov and famous coach Javier Mendez.
I am trying to find some good option for betting on him since odds are very low, maybe under 4.5 rounds or Usman win by KO.

[YuginKadoya]

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This Bellator event is definitely  worth checking out, Usman Nurmagomedov is one of the best lightweighj fighters in the world with perfect 16-0 record.
I don't know many of the fighters from prelims, but main card has some good fights and it's nice to combine it with all other MMA events from this week.
Odds on Nurmagomedov are so low that it doesn't make any sense to bet on straight win for him, but I don't think this fight will go to distance.
This guys win extra money, rewards and points for stoppage win in World Grand Prix Tournament, and I think reward was $1 million last time!

Sportsbet already released this card on their website:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/mma/bellator/bellator-292/matches

It was really worthwhile to watch Michael "Venom" Page's kick was so powerful that the knee of Goiti Yamauchi was dislocated it was a powerful kick that ended the fight, while Linton Vassell's punch nearly shot down Valentin Moldavsky but then Linton Vassell goes into a mount that ended a fight with an elbow, and Alexander Shabliy kick was so devastating that they thought it was a groin kick then Tofiq Musayev quits the fight and the main event where Usman Nurmagomedov delivers that rear naked choke to Benson Henderson that many have though Henderson will escapes but the pressure was too much and that choke was so tight that Benson Henderson tap the Rear naked choke, it was a tight choke that Henderson couldn't last long,

Not sure about the amount Jon Jones was asking but the disclosed amount Jon Jones took home after UFC 285 is over $10 million and Francis Ngannou was offered a much bigger purse and still he rejected it, one thing about UFC payday is that the published amount will be much smaller than the original awarded amount. For example, for UFC 148 the published amount Chael Sonnen got is $50,000 but recently Chael Sonnen claimed that his original payday for that rematch with Anderson Silva was over $8 million and that was in 2012.

I think the said amount will vary depending on the sales but surely Francis Ngannou likely wants freedom and not to fight anymore inside the UFC, because he knows his true value, but if Francis Ngannou could fight Jon Jones even just once I think that is a great deal with the UFC, that would be a match most fans awaited, but it will surely depend if both camp with approved it,

Benson Henderson was my favorite fighter but it is time for him to hang the glove as he has been to many wars and he is a heavy underdog coming into this fight because he is taking on Usman Nurmagomedov who is way ahead in terms of talent and much younger and there is no way it is going to be an upset as Usman Nurmagomedov is really good in his feet and great on the ground.

My parlay picks for the event are Usman Nurmagomedov, Michael Page, Valentin Moldavsky, Theo Haig, Laird Anderson, and Josh Hill.

It was ultimately known whos really going to win this fight from the start but I am still curious if Benson Henderson can really escape the submission attempts of Usman, which he can not from that 1 attempt it was clear that it was really a tight grip that eventually Henderson have tried to escapes but to no avail Benson Henderson then taps clearly it was a victory for a Nurmagomedov,

[notblox1]

One more win for Usman Nurmagomedov, and now he has perfect record in MMA 17-0, reminding a lot of his cousin Khabib.
Biggest problem is to find good opponent who can fight him in Bellator, so maybe they are going to try cross promotion with PFL and others.
I think Usman is one of the best lightweight fighters in the world now, including guys from UFC like Islam Makhachev and Charles Oliveira.

[TopTort777]

Every fight in a main card has a finished Nice event actually. I think that Bellator would become boring for Usman soon. Few more title defences and I think he would be signed in UFC. Usman would win Bellator Lightweight World Grand Prix Tournament (with 1 million dollars prize) and would be at perfect age to enter UFC. He would be about same age Khabib and Islam, when they were signed by UFC. I dont think that Usman would be like Michael Page, that stays in Bellator probably forever.

[YuginKadoya]

One more win for Usman Nurmagomedov, and now he has perfect record in MMA 17-0, reminding a lot of his cousin Khabib.
Biggest problem is to find good opponent who can fight him in Bellator, so maybe they are going to try cross promotion with PFL and others.
I think Usman is one of the best lightweight fighters in the world now, including guys from UFC like Islam Makhachev and Charles Oliveira.

If no one wants to fight him anymore in Bellator then a promotional collaboration could be a great idea, or instead, just leave Bellator then go with UFC, he will surely be a great addition to the roster in the Lightweight Division he could be a good match for Mateusz Gamrot, Michael Chandler, Justin Gaethje, Dustin Poirier and Charles Oliveira, but surely he would make a great match against Islam Makhachev aswell, but for the Cross-promotion that you are saying I think the UFC will think 1st about that but regarding the Cross-promotion for the Bellator and the PFL I think that is likely could happen,

Every fight in a main card has a finished Nice event actually. I think that Bellator would become boring for Usman soon. Few more title defences and I think he would be signed in UFC. Usman would win Bellator Lightweight World Grand Prix Tournament (with 1 million dollars prize) and would be at perfect age to enter UFC. He would be about same age Khabib and Islam, when they were signed by UFC. I dont think that Usman would be like Michael Page, that stays in Bellator probably forever.

I think that would be the case for Usman Nurmagomedov aswell, he would likely not be staying in the Bellator forever, Submitting an escape artist Benson Henderson is a big feat, for him, he likely thinks is a hard opponent to submit to the ground, well I think you are right a likely age for them to target the UFC would be the same age as that, Usman Nurmagomed might be creating a great momentum in the Bellator first, then when no one is worth the fight for him he will eventually sign for a bigger and better challenge in the different fighting promotion likely UFC,

[notblox1]

Every fight in a main card has a finished Nice event actually. I think that Bellator would become boring for Usman soon. Few more title defences and I think he would be signed in UFC. Usman would win Bellator Lightweight World Grand Prix Tournament (with 1 million dollars prize) and would be at perfect age to enter UFC. He would be about same age Khabib and Islam, when they were signed by UFC. I dont think that Usman would be like Michael Page, that stays in Bellator probably forever.

Why would he move to UFC when he can make more money in Bellator and he doesn't have to be under control of Dana White?
Being in Bellator can allow him to with with fighters from different promotions, and have personal sponsors.
I can't predict future but with recentz PFL signings maybe they hire him for some big money deal.