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[bitbrawlers]

When you confiscate winnings and tell players to roll over 25x, yes its kind of stealing.

Nobody confiscated your winnings. The match was a push and everyone had their bets returned in accordance to our terms and conditions and we didn't collect any platform fee.

Other members on bitcointalk had pointed this out:

Bitbrawlers is a parimutuel game. Odds are variable and the prize pool is from other players betting. Betroar has no stake in who wins, loses, or if there is a push. They collect a platform fee after each match.

If anything, Betroar has an incentive to have a result be determined, as they only collect the platform fee when winnings are paid out. In the event of a push, you simply get your original stake back, without any cut taken.

All you are now doing is making baseless accusations possibly because you want more free bitcoin. You're not getting anymore free bitcoin.
 
You didn't complain when you were winning and cashing out to your wallet. Why is that? Why is it now suddenly you are being a sore loser and making accusations when luck doesn't go your way? You didn't even lose your own money. It was all bonus money. In fact you didn't make a single deposit into Betroar, yet you want to be treated like some kind of VIP despite having the attitude of a typical person on Yelp who thinks they are a food critic.

Probably fair doesn't mean what you think it means. So called "provably fair" gambling games use a deterministic pseudo random number generator with a server and client seed. And "provably fair" is a marketing gimmick because nothing is stopping the gambling operator from manually inserting seeds they know of in advance in order to rig the game while still appearing to have a "provably fair" hash.
 
Bitbrawlers does not use a deterministic pseudo random number generator like this and therefore doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. You'll notice that sportsbooks also never use the "provably fair" gimmick either for the same reason.

Do you know what else isn't provably fair? Physical card games. Physical dice games. Sports matches. Horse Races. Yet people still bet on these things. Bitbrawlers is the same. It doesn't use a pseudo random number generator with a seed pair, therefore it doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. .

Betroar doesn't pay Saltybet any money. It is a public third party stream watched by hundreds of users. Betroar has no influence on the results of the stream.
 
If you don't like Bitbrawlers that's fine, nobody is forcing you to play. We can still offer it whether you like it or not. Players can decide if they want to play or not. We offer traditional sports and esports betting as an alternative for anyone not interested in Bitbrawlers.
 
And Donsifon is a confirmed cheater who placed bets after the event started and several bitcointalk members turned against him a few pages ago after seeing the proof. Now he just wants to stir up some drama.

Here's a quick reminder who Donsifon is:

During our cashout review, we were able to confirm that donsifon had been abusing an exploit that we have since patched. This exploit allowed players to keep multiple browser tabs open in order to change their wagers after an event has concluded. We patched this exploit on January 24th.

Below is our record of this users bets that were made after betting activity:



Betting that took advantage of the vulnerability is highlighted in yellow. We understand that players will always try and get an edge and bend the rules of our site to their advantage. However, given the scale of the exploitation in this case and the ensuing abuse to our suport staff from this player, we decided to ban them from future action on BetRoar and return his original deposit.

Below is a PM of Donsifon trying to extort money from us:

Indeed. Here’s the “proposal” donsifon sent to us:



Does this not read like an extortion letter? Why would someone who isn’t a cheater want to settle for 50% like that? Isn’t that something only a cheater would do after they’re caught?

He also sent us a threatening message telling us he will destroy our search engine ranking if we don’t let him withdraw any amount that he wants:

And here is the reaction from the bitcointalk community about Donsifon:

Well in this case I think user should consider himself lucky for even getting his initial deposit back . Other casino usually seize all funds and lock the accounts permanently.

Personally I agree with AlexSimion. I would want to lay as low as possible and not attract attention if I found a bug like that. I think going all in like that would look pretty fishy. Also no sorry but that "50% discount" especially after seeing those messages that guy posted looks really shady to me. It just screams "Russian shakedown" to me.

It does look like a shake down after reading all this. I like betroar except that sometimes it takes a while for bets to be graded. I'm still waiting on XFL games from Saturday and Sunday.

donsifon you are fucking retarded or what xD?
Why you want only 0.2 if they "own" you 0.4 xD
Why u send them message that if you get 0.2 you will play only on betroar xDDDD?
I have feeling that you find some exploid and want scam betroar.
You act like scammer xD

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[CryCrptoCry]

BETROAR.IO SCAM

This bitcoin sports betting Betroar.io is SCAM. They just refused to pay me BECAUSE I WIN.

My history with this sportsbook was simple, I deposited 0,036 BTC early december 2019 and start to make bets in his sports betting page. I recieved 100% sports betting bonus instantly in my first deposit.

I made many bets, and, lucky of me, at the end of January 2020 my account was 0.43 BTC and I finish their rollover bonus of x25. It took me more than 200 bets and almost 2 months to finish this bonus.

When I was near to finish the Rollover: They tried bad tricks to me as example, lower my odds, if for example in hándicap NBA game it was almost 1,91 odds every match, then with this “bad trick” the odds go down to 1,65 or 1,7. This is an example.

Also, they tried to give me EXTRA BONUS, but I refused all because “if you get this bonus, then you must to rollover AGAIN”. This is another “Shit trick” that they do to me, but I tell them that I will not accept any extra bonus. They do this because when I am near to finish the ROLLOVER, they want you to force you to accept another bonus and doing this all the times. The main reason of this is:NEVER WITHDRAWAL.

https://pasteboard.co/IUMB7fk.jpg
(WITHDRAWAL IMAGE)

After finish the rollover bonus and contact support to “ASK” if I can make a withdrawal, I requested a withdrawal of 0,05BTC, it tooks like 5 days for withdrawal, and next day I recieved in my btc wallet 0,036 BTC and my account was BANNED.

https://pasteboard.co/IUMBrcg.jpg
(BANNED IMAGE)

At 30 January 2020, I sent an message to the a manager about WHY THEY BANNED ME, and here is the answer:

https://pasteboard.co/IUMCFGD.jpg
(REASON BANNED ACCOUNT)

After that messages,, I try to contact again, and ALL MY MESSAGES WERE IGNORED for this Mother F****.

But, the most funny, they confirmed that the rollover status on your account will be lifted. So, thats means that they “allowed me” to make a withdrawal, because I dont have more Rollover bonus.

https://pasteboard.co/IUMN7Ru.jpg

So, why you tell me that I can withdrawal and then ban my account? So sad really, THEY WILL NOT PAY MY WINNINGS, SINCE THE FIRST DAY THAT I DEPOSITED.


ABUSED SITE MECHANICS??  

I am sure you never lisen so stupid EXCUSE to ban an account with 0,4BTC ($4000) inside. And of course, I am sure If I didnt win, they will never use the term: abused site Mechanics.
You can find him in bitcointalk with username: “bitbrawlers”, giving PLENTY OF BONUSES TO EVERYONE IN THE FORUM. Of course, dont try to WIN +0,40 BTC, because you know they are not good when is time for payouts.

My account is banned with 0,4BTC more than $4000. If someone can help me to recover my account and get back my WINNING AMOUNT THAT I DESERVED. I will be grad.

Its my first time a sportsbook banned me, I play in other bitcoin sites as: sportsbet, nitrogen, fortunejack etc… and all was ok. Only the SCAMMERS OF BETROAR, dont want to pay and they told me a RIDICOLOUS EXCUSE to not pay.


LETS SEE MY “ABUSED SITE MECHANICS”
I am not a guru, I loose and I win sometimes, thats all. I play for fun.


So, LETS SEE MY DANGEROUS BETS:

https://pasteboard.co/IUMGo0R.jpg
This was my last bets, and the last 3 bets, I loose them.

WOW, really ABUSED MECHANICS! HE BETS NBA AND EUROPEAN SOCCER. Wow wow wow, this guy is dangerous, he fixed all the top professional sport matches to win from 0,036BTC to 0,40 BTC.

I have more screenshots of my bets, I only bet basketball and soccer, top leagues, nothing else.

HOLD ON!!!! Did you see the odds of NBA matches??

For example, go to my "bets image" and look on the top, the last bet: PORTLAND HCP +4 = 1,764 odds
All other Sportsbook in the world the same bet = above 2,00 odds

THATS THE REAL "ABUSE MECHANICS"!!!!!!!!  ;D;D

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That was my bad experience,, Betroar.io is SCAM, they will not pay you if you win big. They work like a pyramid scheme, pay to small amount users and ban users if they win big amount. BETROAR IS SCAM

Now is time to send Sportsbook Complaint to one very big site, betroar.io will be exposed as BITCOIN SPORTSBOOK SCAM.

Any update on this case. IMHO you must open a scam accusation against them. I am surprised that the only valid argument against you is that you sent them a pm for cashing out half of your winnings (which is totally subjective, some settles and some don't, this can not be in any sense considered as valid evidence).  After reading your post I realize that they are much much frequent with confiscating winnings and telling player to rollover x amount which they already won. I have personal hand on experience of this and plus they are not keeping transparency in running their platform which is a big alarm.
If you had lost 0.4 btc becasuse of their bug (which happened to me so many times) nothing would have happened.

STAY AWAY FROM BETROAR, THEY ARE NOT LICENSED AND NO PROVABLY FAIR.

[AlexSimion]

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Gona look into the last 2 pages a bit more later , but regarding your last case about that "update" the player donsifon was clearly caught abusing a bug and cheating the system ,  so I don't really get it why you're trying to stir shit left and right.


Do you understand the concept of provably fair ? Do you understand the concept of Pvp betting ?
To be fair I can't seem to understand why you started throwing a tantrum over here .

I'm one of the early players with betroar , got a lot of bonuses , got a lot of cash-outs from bonuses as long as I did the wagerring requirements.
Had a lot of losses aswell , one time I took a 0.004 btc bonus I got from them up to 0.17 btc and lost it before meeting the wagerring criteria .

Regarding your pushed bet , would you have  thrown a tantrum if your bet had lost but you would have received the bet $ back ? I'm assuming not .

So regardless of your attempt to be a drama queen for whatever reason you might have  ( I'm assuming you lost your balance and you're trying to bitch hoping you'll get something back )   Betroar is one of the legit ones out there. 

Are there problems , bugs , errors etc  -  Sure there are , like with any other platform , but they always communicate and fix them if the claims are actually valid , and usually they throw a pretty big btc bonus aswell for your trouble .

P.S. - quoting one of the people who tryed to scam Betroar is not gona help you gain simpaty with your claims.

[CryCrptoCry]

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Gona look into the last 2 pages a bit more later , but regarding your last case about that "update" the player donsifon was clearly caught abusing a bug and cheating the system ,  so I don't really get it why you're trying to stir shit left and right.


Do you understand the concept of provably fair ? Do you understand the concept of Pvp betting ?
To be fair I can't seem to understand why you started throwing a tantrum over here .

I'm one of the early players with betroar , got a lot of bonuses , got a lot of cash-outs from bonuses as long as I did the wagerring requirements.
Had a lot of losses aswell , one time I took a 0.004 btc bonus I got from them up to 0.17 btc and lost it before meeting the wagerring criteria .

Regarding your pushed bet , would you have  thrown a tantrum if your bet had lost but you would have received the bet $ back ? I'm assuming not .

So regardless of your attempt to be a drama queen for whatever reason you might have  ( I'm assuming you lost your balance and you're trying to bitch hoping you'll get something back )   Betroar is one of the legit ones out there.  

Are there problems , bugs , errors etc  -  Sure there are , like with any other platform , but they always communicate and fix them if the claims are actually valid , and usually they throw a pretty big btc bonus aswell for your trouble .

P.S. - quoting one of the people who tryed to scam Betroar is not gona help you gain simpaty with your claims.

You may say whatever you want to. But the matter of the fact is my objections are sound and valid. You have every right to boost your post counts because of signature campaign (I am not judging you based upon that ). Yes I am not satisfied with betroar operating with low transparency in this forum. Its not all about my 0.0035 btc, I will not accept any cent from them (Hope that will make things easier), I just want them to answer my objections which is clearly they are avoiding.

[AlexSimion]

You may say whatever you want to. But the matter of the fact is my objections are sound and valid. You have every right to boost your post counts because of signature campaign (I am not judging you based upon that ). Yes I am not satisfied with betroar operating with low transparency in this forum. Its not all about my 0.0035 btc, I will not accept any cent from them (Hope that will make things easier), I just want them to answer my objections which is clearly they are avoiding.

The matter of the fact is that they've actually replied to your objections. So I'm really curious what are you expecting to hear ?  bit brawlers the game is not provably fair , as it can't be done.  ( Stunna who is I think someone in a high position on stake also confirmed that they couldn't figure it out how to make this type of game provably fair .    Though considering it's a PVP , and a stream from saltybet I'm confused as to how you think betroar is scamming you.

About the pushed bets part , get over it , the biggest gambling platform push bets when certain situations occur , error  etc .

Also I'm very curious why you brought "donsifon"'s case back to live and why are you claiming nothing was done then , and no answers etc when they've actually provided all evidence to close that case ? Are you connected with him in some way ?

[CryCrptoCry]

You may say whatever you want to. But the matter of the fact is my objections are sound and valid. You have every right to boost your post counts because of signature campaign (I am not judging you based upon that ). Yes I am not satisfied with betroar operating with low transparency in this forum. Its not all about my 0.0035 btc, I will not accept any cent from them (Hope that will make things easier), I just want them to answer my objections which is clearly they are avoiding.

The matter of the fact is that they've actually replied to your objections. So I'm really curious what are you expecting to hear ?  bit brawlers the game is not provably fair , as it can't be done.  ( Stunna who is I think someone in a high position on stake also confirmed that they couldn't figure it out how to make this type of game provably fair .    Though considering it's a PVP , and a stream from saltybet I'm confused as to how you think betroar is scamming you.

About the pushed bets part , get over it , the biggest gambling platform push bets when certain situations occur , error  etc .

Also I'm very curious why you brought "donsifon"'s case back to live and why are you claiming nothing was done then , and no answers etc when they've actually provided all evidence to close that case ? Are you connected with him in some way ?

If you got time please look my previous posts there are at least 4-5 times when I supported people who got scammed by bunch of thugs running casino or helping them to put forward their case with respect to reputed casinos so that they can get justice. 'donsifon' is also one of them and as per my judgment there is not much valid evidence against him to confiscate his winnings. One can argue same for you also getting paid my betroar or collaborating with them to propagate their unlicensed and not provably fair   casino. But I will not go on that level. As far as provably fair system is concerned they are taking hefty fees and using salty bet platform so natural objection is, 'is there any possibility that salty bet is collaborating or exploiting betroar's platform.', since they are unregulated this becomes more and more important. Until they    come up with some valid answers I will suggest any player to,
Stay away form betroar as they are unregulated and not provably fair.

[Grab]

You may say whatever you want to. But the matter of the fact is my objections are sound and valid. You have every right to boost your post counts because of signature campaign (I am not judging you based upon that ). Yes I am not satisfied with betroar operating with low transparency in this forum. Its not all about my 0.0035 btc, I will not accept any cent from them (Hope that will make things easier), I just want them to answer my objections which is clearly they are avoiding.

The matter of the fact is that they've actually replied to your objections. So I'm really curious what are you expecting to hear ?  bit brawlers the game is not provably fair , as it can't be done.  ( Stunna who is I think someone in a high position on stake also confirmed that they couldn't figure it out how to make this type of game provably fair .    Though considering it's a PVP , and a stream from saltybet I'm confused as to how you think betroar is scamming you.

About the pushed bets part , get over it , the biggest gambling platform push bets when certain situations occur , error  etc .

Also I'm very curious why you brought "donsifon"'s case back to live and why are you claiming nothing was done then , and no answers etc when they've actually provided all evidence to close that case ? Are you connected with him in some way ?

If you got time please look my previous posts there are at least 4-5 times when I supported people who got scammed by bunch of thugs running casino or helping them to put forward their case with respect to reputed casinos so that they can get justice. 'donsifon' is also one of them and as per my judgment there is not much valid evidence against him to confiscate his winnings. One can argue same for you also getting paid my betroar or collaborating with them to propagate their unlicensed and not provably fair   casino. But I will not go on that level. As far as provably fair system is concerned they are taking hefty fees and using salty bet platform so natural objection is, 'is there any possibility that salty bet is collaborating or exploiting betroar's platform.', since they are unregulated this becomes more and more important. Until they    come up with some valid answers I will suggest any player to,
Stay away form betroar as they are unregulated and not provably fair.

You are so annoying type of scammer/shittyspammer. If casino didnt pay you enough money or if you bust free money, you start crying to get more money.
In every gambling topic stake/primedice/bitsler there are people like you.
Even when i had some problem with betroar, they solve it really fast. They make mistake to give 100k sat for everyone and scammers like you and don sifone wanna make a lot of money from this promo.
So better dont post becouse nobody care about your fake opinion.
 

[CryCrptoCry]

I do not understand why people are taking it so personally, I may be shitty spammer (just like you described) that has nothing to do with my objections regarding betraor.
They solved your problem and gave you some 100k sats, thats ok mate but that does not lead to the conclusion that they are running a fair casino. You should read my earlier post where I said clearly that I do not want any money from them anymore ( though they owe me).
Let them answer my objections (no matter how silly those are in your opinion) after all thats why we are here in this wonderful forum. Apart from unregulated and unlicensed they are not keeping proper records (like mentioning odds in bit brawler matches).  
Am I wrong asking this?

[Grab]

I do not understand why people are taking it so personally, I may be shitty spammer (just like you described) that has nothing to do with my objections regarding betraor.
They solved your problem and gave you some 100k sats, thats ok mate but that does not lead to the conclusion that they are running a fair casino. You should read my earlier post where I said clearly that I do not want any money from them anymore ( though they owe me).
Let them answer my objections (no matter how silly those are in your opinion) after all thats why we are here in this wonderful forum. Apart from unregulated and unlicensed they are not keeping proper records (like mentioning odds in bit brawler matches).  
Am I wrong asking this?

You are making shit in this topic to get more money thats why people take it personally.
We both know why you said you dont want money from them(cents is not enough, you want more).
There is no legal bitcoin gambling casino, PD and Stake have some fake curacao license, you need to pay for it.
The license doesnt mean nothing in gambling world.
Of course you are not wrong but they already answer on your question and you keep spamming and make mess to get money.

[donsifon]

When you confiscate winnings and tell players to roll over 25x, yes its kind of stealing.

Nobody confiscated your winnings. The match was a push and everyone had their bets returned in accordance to our terms and conditions and we didn't collect any platform fee.

Other members on bitcointalk had pointed this out:

Bitbrawlers is a parimutuel game. Odds are variable and the prize pool is from other players betting. Betroar has no stake in who wins, loses, or if there is a push. They collect a platform fee after each match.

If anything, Betroar has an incentive to have a result be determined, as they only collect the platform fee when winnings are paid out. In the event of a push, you simply get your original stake back, without any cut taken.

All you are now doing is making baseless accusations possibly because you want more free bitcoin. You're not getting anymore free bitcoin.
 
You didn't complain when you were winning and cashing out to your wallet. Why is that? Why is it now suddenly you are being a sore loser and making accusations when luck doesn't go your way? You didn't even lose your own money. It was all bonus money. In fact you didn't make a single deposit into Betroar, yet you want to be treated like some kind of VIP despite having the attitude of a typical person on Yelp who thinks they are a food critic.

Probably fair doesn't mean what you think it means. So called "provably fair" gambling games use a deterministic pseudo random number generator with a server and client seed. And "provably fair" is a marketing gimmick because nothing is stopping the gambling operator from manually inserting seeds they know of in advance in order to rig the game while still appearing to have a "provably fair" hash.
 
Bitbrawlers does not use a deterministic pseudo random number generator like this and therefore doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. You'll notice that sportsbooks also never use the "provably fair" gimmick either for the same reason.

Do you know what else isn't provably fair? Physical card games. Physical dice games. Sports matches. Horse Races. Yet people still bet on these things. Bitbrawlers is the same. It doesn't use a pseudo random number generator with a seed pair, therefore it doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. .

Betroar doesn't pay Saltybet any money. It is a public third party stream watched by hundreds of users. Betroar has no influence on the results of the stream.
 
If you don't like Bitbrawlers that's fine, nobody is forcing you to play. We can still offer it whether you like it or not. Players can decide if they want to play or not. We offer traditional sports and esports betting as an alternative for anyone not interested in Bitbrawlers.
 
And Donsifon is a confirmed cheater who placed bets after the event started and several bitcointalk members turned against him a few pages ago after seeing the proof. Now he just wants to stir up some drama.

Here's a quick reminder who Donsifon is:

During our cashout review, we were able to confirm that donsifon had been abusing an exploit that we have since patched. This exploit allowed players to keep multiple browser tabs open in order to change their wagers after an event has concluded. We patched this exploit on January 24th.

Below is our record of this users bets that were made after betting activity:



Betting that took advantage of the vulnerability is highlighted in yellow. We understand that players will always try and get an edge and bend the rules of our site to their advantage. However, given the scale of the exploitation in this case and the ensuing abuse to our suport staff from this player, we decided to ban them from future action on BetRoar and return his original deposit.

Below is a PM of Donsifon trying to extort money from us:

Indeed. Here’s the “proposal” donsifon sent to us:



Does this not read like an extortion letter? Why would someone who isn’t a cheater want to settle for 50% like that? Isn’t that something only a cheater would do after they’re caught?

He also sent us a threatening message telling us he will destroy our search engine ranking if we don’t let him withdraw any amount that he wants:

And here is the reaction from the bitcointalk community about Donsifon:

Well in this case I think user should consider himself lucky for even getting his initial deposit back . Other casino usually seize all funds and lock the accounts permanently.

Personally I agree with AlexSimion. I would want to lay as low as possible and not attract attention if I found a bug like that. I think going all in like that would look pretty fishy. Also no sorry but that "50% discount" especially after seeing those messages that guy posted looks really shady to me. It just screams "Russian shakedown" to me.

It does look like a shake down after reading all this. I like betroar except that sometimes it takes a while for bets to be graded. I'm still waiting on XFL games from Saturday and Sunday.

donsifon you are fucking retarded or what xD?
Why you want only 0.2 if they "own" you 0.4 xD
Why u send them message that if you get 0.2 you will play only on betroar xDDDD?
I have feeling that you find some exploid and want scam betroar.
You act like scammer xD

EI BITBRAWLERS, BIG MOTHER FUCKER SCAMMER,

Why u dont put the real bet history??'

I will show you again= https://pasteboard.co/J6d8OOH.jpg

The real bets: https://pasteboard.co/J6dbSSq.jpg

why u manipulate my last bets,, motherfucker???

WHY U LOWER MY ODDS....

WHY YOU GIVE MORE BONUSES WHEN I ALREADY HAD THE DEPOSIT BONUS?? Because is you strategy that I will not finish the rollover bonus 25x.

But of course,, the motherfucker bitbrawler scammer,, will tell you another history. And of course,, this retard still setted the bets after 2,3,4... days.

why u dont talk about u sportsbook license,, mother fucker?'?? where is you license?? you silence like a bitch now???

[simonkn0wsbest]

Stay away form betroar as they are unregulated and not provably fair.

Lots of bitcoin gambling sites aren't licensed. What's your point? Also list me one sports book that is provably fair. It's like you don't understand what provably fair means but insist on spamming it all over the thread anyway. Everyone can plainly see you're doing this to try to force betroar to pay you more free money to gamble with. You're even teaming up with a known scam artist to do it! Can you be any more obvious than that?

[Grab]

When you confiscate winnings and tell players to roll over 25x, yes its kind of stealing.

Nobody confiscated your winnings. The match was a push and everyone had their bets returned in accordance to our terms and conditions and we didn't collect any platform fee.

Other members on bitcointalk had pointed this out:

Bitbrawlers is a parimutuel game. Odds are variable and the prize pool is from other players betting. Betroar has no stake in who wins, loses, or if there is a push. They collect a platform fee after each match.

If anything, Betroar has an incentive to have a result be determined, as they only collect the platform fee when winnings are paid out. In the event of a push, you simply get your original stake back, without any cut taken.

All you are now doing is making baseless accusations possibly because you want more free bitcoin. You're not getting anymore free bitcoin.
 
You didn't complain when you were winning and cashing out to your wallet. Why is that? Why is it now suddenly you are being a sore loser and making accusations when luck doesn't go your way? You didn't even lose your own money. It was all bonus money. In fact you didn't make a single deposit into Betroar, yet you want to be treated like some kind of VIP despite having the attitude of a typical person on Yelp who thinks they are a food critic.

Probably fair doesn't mean what you think it means. So called "provably fair" gambling games use a deterministic pseudo random number generator with a server and client seed. And "provably fair" is a marketing gimmick because nothing is stopping the gambling operator from manually inserting seeds they know of in advance in order to rig the game while still appearing to have a "provably fair" hash.
 
Bitbrawlers does not use a deterministic pseudo random number generator like this and therefore doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. You'll notice that sportsbooks also never use the "provably fair" gimmick either for the same reason.

Do you know what else isn't provably fair? Physical card games. Physical dice games. Sports matches. Horse Races. Yet people still bet on these things. Bitbrawlers is the same. It doesn't use a pseudo random number generator with a seed pair, therefore it doesn't use the "provably fair" gimmick. .

Betroar doesn't pay Saltybet any money. It is a public third party stream watched by hundreds of users. Betroar has no influence on the results of the stream.
 
If you don't like Bitbrawlers that's fine, nobody is forcing you to play. We can still offer it whether you like it or not. Players can decide if they want to play or not. We offer traditional sports and esports betting as an alternative for anyone not interested in Bitbrawlers.
 
And Donsifon is a confirmed cheater who placed bets after the event started and several bitcointalk members turned against him a few pages ago after seeing the proof. Now he just wants to stir up some drama.

Here's a quick reminder who Donsifon is:

During our cashout review, we were able to confirm that donsifon had been abusing an exploit that we have since patched. This exploit allowed players to keep multiple browser tabs open in order to change their wagers after an event has concluded. We patched this exploit on January 24th.

Below is our record of this users bets that were made after betting activity:



Betting that took advantage of the vulnerability is highlighted in yellow. We understand that players will always try and get an edge and bend the rules of our site to their advantage. However, given the scale of the exploitation in this case and the ensuing abuse to our suport staff from this player, we decided to ban them from future action on BetRoar and return his original deposit.

Below is a PM of Donsifon trying to extort money from us:

Indeed. Here’s the “proposal” donsifon sent to us:



Does this not read like an extortion letter? Why would someone who isn’t a cheater want to settle for 50% like that? Isn’t that something only a cheater would do after they’re caught?

He also sent us a threatening message telling us he will destroy our search engine ranking if we don’t let him withdraw any amount that he wants:

And here is the reaction from the bitcointalk community about Donsifon:

Well in this case I think user should consider himself lucky for even getting his initial deposit back . Other casino usually seize all funds and lock the accounts permanently.

Personally I agree with AlexSimion. I would want to lay as low as possible and not attract attention if I found a bug like that. I think going all in like that would look pretty fishy. Also no sorry but that "50% discount" especially after seeing those messages that guy posted looks really shady to me. It just screams "Russian shakedown" to me.

It does look like a shake down after reading all this. I like betroar except that sometimes it takes a while for bets to be graded. I'm still waiting on XFL games from Saturday and Sunday.

donsifon you are fucking retarded or what xD?
Why you want only 0.2 if they "own" you 0.4 xD
Why u send them message that if you get 0.2 you will play only on betroar xDDDD?
I have feeling that you find some exploid and want scam betroar.
You act like scammer xD

EI BITBRAWLERS, BIG MOTHER FUCKER SCAMMER,

Why u dont put the real bet history??'

I will show you again= https://pasteboard.co/J6d8OOH.jpg

The real bets: https://pasteboard.co/J6dbSSq.jpg

why u manipulate my last bets,, motherfucker???

WHY U LOWER MY ODDS....

WHY YOU GIVE MORE BONUSES WHEN I ALREADY HAD THE DEPOSIT BONUS?? Because is you strategy that I will not finish the rollover bonus 25x.

But of course,, the motherfucker bitbrawler scammer,, will tell you another history. And of course,, this retard still setted the bets after 2,3,4... days.

why u dont talk about u sportsbook license,, mother fucker?'?? where is you license?? you silence like a bitch now???

Wtf scammmer, betroar support showed proof that you was cheating.You and Cry just trying to get free money from this site.

[coincruncher1982]

I will not accept any cent from them

If you won't accept any cent from betroar, then you should return the BTC you cashed out from betroar back to them and show proof of the transaction with a blockchain link.

[CryCrptoCry]

I will not accept any cent from them

If you won't accept any cent from betroar, then you should return the BTC you cashed out from betroar back to them and show proof of the transaction with a blockchain link.

Ok I am ready, tell your boss to deduct it from my confiscated winnings and keep the rest to fund their shady unlicensed casino.

[sportbettor]

Here you can read more info about Betroar.io: http://100bookies.com/betroar-review/

[RealMalatesta]

Seriously, when someone doesn't provide any proof at all and just talks profanity it basically confirms that they are wrong. I am not saying betroar is the best casino or anything like that, they are certainly unique and I like it for that but it really just a place that you can gamble and there are a lot of places you can gamble as well, so this place is unique but if they didn't existed the gambling world wouldn't stop.

However these guys are legit, they have showed all the things you have done and basically showed all the proof that there was a problem as well with your accounts and how you didn't played fairly and all that. In return? You basically just called them a motherf**ker scammer and that is it, I am sorry but it is quite easy to make a pick here who is right and who is wrong.

[marcotheminer]

@Donsifon: Best place is rep thread maybe?

You should check the post history of this thread. Bitcointalk user marcotheminer won and cashed out from Bitbrawlers. He never came on here to bitch and moan like you do.
 
Another player who cashed out was AlexSimion and he would give bug reports on here, but he was super nice about it and not an absolute entitled dick head like you are.

Can attest, I was able to 10x the bonus/more. I'll need to catch up in the thread, lots of things catching my eye.

You may say whatever you want to. But the matter of the fact is my objections are sound and valid. You have every right to boost your post counts because of signature campaign (I am not judging you based upon that ). Yes I am not satisfied with betroar operating with low transparency in this forum. Its not all about my 0.0035 btc, I will not accept any cent from them (Hope that will make things easier), I just want them to answer my objections which is clearly they are avoiding.

The matter of the fact is that they've actually replied to your objections. So I'm really curious what are you expecting to hear ?  bit brawlers the game is not provably fair , as it can't be done.  ( Stunna who is I think someone in a high position on stake also confirmed that they couldn't figure it out how to make this type of game provably fair .    Though considering it's a PVP , and a stream from saltybet I'm confused as to how you think betroar is scamming you.

About the pushed bets part , get over it , the biggest gambling platform push bets when certain situations occur , error  etc .

Also I'm very curious why you brought "donsifon"'s case back to live and why are you claiming nothing was done then , and no answers etc when they've actually provided all evidence to close that case ? Are you connected with him in some way ?

I think it's a novel idea, sure some work to be done but it could work as a level-playing game.

[darewaller]

CryCryptoCry is really not a stranger to bitcointalk community, I have seen in many places, mainly in altcoin I think but I am not sure where exactly but I have seen him before, I remember he was on earnbet topic as well promoting that place too. So, he is not like some random gambler who happens to think he got scammed when he just lost or something, dude does gamble in different places.

But whenever there is a scam accusation, I rather wait for a solution and result, I do not really like to side with any party right away, I want this to move on further and the solution to be found, or maybe not found but at least wait for the final blow before I could make a decision. Right now it doesn't affect me so I do not care about it at all, but I will be waiting and watching it for a while.

[donsifon]

Ei mother fuckers, whats wrong with your SCAM BETTING SITE???

Oh yeah,, they shut down with all the money from users.

Rip to all these scammers: Betroar, Betmatch and Betbit.

and fuck all of you guys that support Betroar. You reserve what you deserve, mother fuckers.

Go to the hell mother fuckers scammers.

[TIMOM]

unfortunately there is a lot of fraud, and there will be many more
close 1 site and then open another