CLEAR guide to red trust for EXTORTION and BLACKMAIL according to DT members.

[The-One-Above-All]

For those wondering what qualifies as extortion and blackmail according to DT members. I will provide a few handy scenarios.


SCENARIO 1

1. cryptohunter was attacked in his own thread by LAUDA who randomly claimed cryptohunter was a liar. Cryptohunter asks lauda to present the evidence of the LIES. Lauda refuses.

Lauda then comes and repeats the accusations that cryptohunter is a liar. Cryptohunter says produce the evidence of the lies. Lauda refuses and simply states it again. Cryptohunter then says if you call me a liar again without evidence we will encourage people to review your own post history and they will see who is the liar here.

BOOM _ BLACKMAIL/EXTORTION  Lauda gives CH red trust.

DT members agree.



SCENARIO 2

2. cryptohunter presents quotes of laudas post histories where he lied.

Tman comes along and claims cryptohunter  has blackmailed and extorted lauda and gives CH more red trust.

Cryptohunter says to TMAN - you can not give red trust for presenting a facts based post.

Tman replies " I can I will and I just have"

BOOM _ BLACKMAIL/EXTORTION  TMAN gives CH red trust.

DT members agree.


SCENARIO 3

3. Cryptohunter tells Tman to remove the trust abuse (that he has clearly admitted he has given red trust for a FACTS based post) or else he will be sure to make sure people know this was clearly TRUST ABUSE.

YOGG comes along and BOOM CLAIMS THIS IS BLACKMAIL AND EXTORTION and gives cryptohunter red trust.

Cryptohunter say to yogg this is like someone stealing your phone and you telling them to return it or else you will report them to the police.

Yogg says yes that would be extortion and be wrong.


ALL DT agrees with this and all confirm the red trust is fine and deserving.  Here we see steamtyme ( a tman asslicker) agreeing that ALICE telling bob to return her phone or she will call the cops is BLACKMAIL/EXTORTION

By creating a "tit" for "tat" scenario, Alice can be said to be blackmailing Bob. There is the perceived agreement if you return my property, I will not notify the police. Do something for me and I'll remove the negative consequence of your actions from the table. Now would Alice be punished, charged or sentenced for this - No at least not in my country. Should the police become involved their advice would be to always notify them and file a report even if you've recovered the property.

Rightly so, Alice may not realize that by letting Bob off scott free, she is only setting the predator on a path to the next victim, who may not be so lucky.

NOW WHAT HAPPENS??  start reading here

SCENARIO 4 - the non threatening, non blackmailing, non extortion totally fine and okay way to do things

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047787.msg53220286#msg53220286

TMAN comes in and buys a "debt" from LoyceV for 1 satoshi. Then straight away starts threatening to DOXX or seems to be implying in this thread that he will do far more to the " apparent" debtor that dox him. TMan says if this "apparent" debtor does not pay him $650 dollars in a few days he will dox him, and some other threats in PM to him and now seems to be making all kinds of threats.

I mean not only is this clearly financially motivated like his other extortion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

It is totally selfish, I mean he is claiming he will release the dox if he does not get HIS 1 satoshi to $650 bucks convertion ... so what he will not turn this information over if he is paid $650?? what about the other fucking people that were " apparently" scammed or not paid out??

That threat started as an attempt at a legal combined effort to get funds back for everyone. Now tman says he will buy all the debts and will extort the guy to paying him back?? actually I forgot...those are not threats, not blackmail and not extortion because it is DT member and different rules apply to them. DOUBLE STANDARDS.


This is BULLSHIT they use the trust system to punish those that whistle blow on their scamming and prior extorting, by claiming you are extorting them LOL then they go around REALLY extorting people for clear selfishly motivated financial gain.

WHAT IS WORSE is the scumbags like steamtyme and the other scammer supporters that have WEASELED their way on to DT with the COMPLIMENTARY CHIPMIXER supporting and colluding with them to fully entrench them on default trust. All enabled, sanctioned and rewarded by the bogus merit=trust system.


So the guide to defining Extortion and blackmail with regards red trust is clear.

You can not say you will encourage people to review a persons post history (who falsely accuses you of lying over and over) to find out the truth about them ..that = EXTORTION/BLACKMAIL

You can not say you will make sure people know the truth that a DT member admitted trust abusing your facts based post if they do not remove that trust abuse = EXTORTION AND BLACKMAIL

You can say you will dox people and PM them other threats unless they pay $650 bucks for something you just bought for 1 satoshi = NOT a threat, NOT extortion nor blackmail.

Or if you get caught making threats unless people pay you money or btc ... you always have the old " under cover agents" get out.
Or if that does not work call in SS for the reverse the meaning of words defense.

More guides will be produces as and when we feel the need to keep the board updated with the latest views and attitudes of our honest and upstanding DT members.

[suchmoon]

There's little doubt that you're an unstable lunatic and this thread is just more proof of that.

Whether this deserves red trust is another question. I used to think it doesn't but that didn't stop you from attacking me for that too, so it's quite plausible that some users consider your mental issues "high risk".

[The-One-Above-All]

There's little doubt that you're an unstable lunatic and this thread is just more proof of that.

Whether this deserves red trust is another question. I used to think it doesn't but that didn't stop you from attacking me for that too, so it's quite plausible that some users consider your mental issues "high risk".

LOL what an off topic bunch of adhominem speculative derailing garbage.

Sorry, pointing out clear and undeniable double standards and your pals undeniable scamming and YOUR OWN scammer supporting does not indicated PROOF of instability or being a lunatic.

Looks just like some kind of ad hominem attack to derail the thread and avoid tackling the clear double standards.

Stand behind your low functioning spew moron. Where is the PROOF in the initial post ?? NOWHERE that is where.

You clearly supported scammers and on top of that tried your best to get a real legend banned.  Then wonder why some people may QUESTION your actions here. LOL  Then PRETEND the member attacked you for saying he should not have red trust haha

Now here you are spamming chipmixer with your corrupt colluding scumbag pals.

NOW THEN which part of the initial post do you wish to debate or are you just going to hide behind your ad hominem attacks ??

Watch suchmoon run away or claim we are back on ignore for the 100th time.

Your posts are absolute garbage with zero substance that will stand up to scrutiny. If you are not self debunking, running away from your own challenges or just generally spewing moronic crap you are supporting scammers and trying to get real honest and useful members punished. Oh that is if you are not stabbing THEYMOS in the back claiming he is sneaky and heavy handed by asking you to exclude a proven scammer and trust abuser from default trust.

Now back on topic please we are debating here BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION as clearly described in the initial post.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Can you please move this to the Reputation section, where it belongs?

[The-One-Above-All]

Can you please move this to the Reputation section, where it belongs?

NO because it is not a reputation based thread.

It is a clear guide for people to use when determining BLACKMAIL or EXTORTION as per DT actions/opinions.

More scenarios can be added as we go along.

Whos reputation would it be under?? the entire boards reputation as we add more examples of BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION that deserve red trust and flagging.

Why don't we move all those " MY TRIP TO LEGENDARY" to reputation they are not even system wide/ board wide applicable they are merely an account of one persons asslicking journey. Pulling themselves along the gutter by their tongues toward chipmixer riches LOL

Actually most of the crap here in meta is far LESS meta board material than this clear guide and chance for DT members to give their clear insight into BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION with regards negative trust and flagging.

Got it now?

Where is YOGG that other scammers supporting scum sucker to give tman red trust for blackmail and extortion.??  Let's hear his bullshit explanation of why he is not going to give his DT mutual include, merit cycling pal and fortunejack spammer a negative trust now??

[TMAN]

cant believe I am answering this but...

I bought a debt, I can chose how to pursue that debt however I shall chose
I did not say I would publicly dox the user in question just that I would get his dox
I am still buying his debt.

back on ignore cunty.

[The-One-Above-All]

cant believe I am answering this but...

I bought a debt, I can chose how to pursue that debt however I shall chose
I did not say I would publicly dox the user in question just that I would get his dox
I am still buying his debt.

back on ignore cunty.

Oh really, let me get some quotes here for you then to explain and tell us how this is NOT anywhere near as bad as scenario 1-3 above.

This will be fun.

for 1 satoshi.

Sold I owe you 1 Satoshi.

@dean.

you now owe  me $650.00

i will now PM you the name of someone who has your full dox, I will be meeting with this person on the 13th December, unless you pay me in full I will be passing your full dox to the investigators in this thread.

xxxxx

2nd lead on your dox...

3rd lead commencing next weekend, I’m playing poker with some people who have played with you.

Silly silly dean

oh no

every poker player knows me, everyone knows that. it's hardly a lead

No son, no one knows you other than a few sweatties, you ain’t fucking famous you mug. It’s closing in dean, all over the $650 of debt I bought.

Imagine what would of happened if you actually scammed me??

Pretty sure this has to be against forum rules no?



Mods gonna delete this post too?  

Dean,

You are responsible for the situation you're in right now.  Not JollyGood or TMAN or RHaver or the "hackers" or anyone else.  Just you.

If your goal is to make everyone whole, I suggest putting more time into that instead of trying to play the victim while being a dick all the time.  It's just not working.

Yes... 1000% start making a concerted effort to not be a cunt, start making payments or build a small fund with a trusted escrow and I’ll leave you be. If not the TMAN will do all. In my power to make you unhappy

you are a idiot.

Ok sugar tits, your poor attempts at intimidation do not work with people like me, your scams are pathetic, your attitude is pathetic. I bet even your Mrs is pathetic.

Peace out scam man - we will find you, my team have new information! no new public information to be posted

You dickfuck, you told me you were going to come see me. As you would have to arrange travel you spaznozzle, I told you to stay where you are.

Fucking persecution complex, if I was coming for you I would just come for you this ain’t grinder you dick, if I chose to collect debts in full you would not know when it’s coming, hows it’s coming or what the fuck would happen.

Poor boy, you really have no idea how these things work do you?

However should any other members be looking for full collection on top of the $650 dean owes me I am more than happy to assist, I’m buying any debts owed by dean now. Please PM with debt total, your requested sales price. If the total is worth my contacts time I will make arrangements for collection

Hmm so all of that is NOT blackmail/extortion  but scenarios 1-3 are blackmail/extortion.

LOL  you have turned a thread which started to be a LEGAL combined effort to get funds back for everyone INTO a thread where you buy the debts for 1 satoshi and then EXTORT the debtor to pay YOU back and if he does then WHAT YOU WILL NOT GIVE THE DOX to the investigators???

SO if you get paid their money you will not turn over his information to the investigators??

WTF this is extortion for your own clear selfish financial reward you scamming little wretch.

And yet you and the ENTIRE DT say that if alice has her phone stolen by bob and alice says to bob  " give my phone back bob or I will report you to the police"  or " give my phone back bob or I will tell other people you have stolen my phone"

THEN SHE IS A BLACKMAILER AND EXTORTIONIST??

hahahah default trust - the most shady bunch of cunts in the entire universe.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123646.0

Love how that scumbag scammer supporter steamtyme ( fellow dt mutual inclusion and merit cycler with tman and chipmixer spammer) is confirming in the above thread that ALICE is a blackmailer for making tit for tat threats but in this thread  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047787.msg53226032#msg53226032

and later in that thread that these are NOT Threats tman is making and it is not blackmail or extortion.

Sounds a bit like what tman and lauda were working on here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

This is how these double standards enforcing scammers are still entrenched in DT. They simply ensure their ardent scammer supporting pals are in DT with them to protect them and push through their double standards unhindered.

If that does not work then they roll out front man suchmoron to derail or just make a fool of her fat self to try and slobber out a lot of garbage that falls to bits with any probing.  Before it runs away crying we are back on ignore for being too crazy and nasty.


Where is SS... this is going to come down to a reversing the meaning of words to their opposite defense I think haha

[TwitchySeal]

Can you please move this to the Reputation section, where it belongs?

NO because it is not a reputation based thread.

It is a clear guide for people to use when determining BLACKMAIL or EXTORTION as per DT actions/opinions.

It's a reputation based thread disguised (poorly) as a 'guide'.

[suchmoon]

dumb gay negro

Oh no, you took away the OP's ability to make up a nickname for you, which is something he takes very seriously and puts a lot of effort in. This is bound to cause another wall of text.

[The-One-Above-All]

Maybe I'm just the dumb gay negro in the thread, but reading this sounds to me like someone dun got F'd in the A too many times, being shady for... reasons... and is now crying about a "woe is me" situation. In my experience with these forums, those that cry the most about the Default Trust system, are those who have shown themselves to be bad actors for this community.

A form of social darwinism. Piss off someone with DT, and you are likely to have more of a bad time. Over enough time, with enough complaints from different users, people can judge the user for themselves by going through grievances. Don't poke the bears you dumbfucks. Be kind to your hosts and stewards.

System is working as intended.

I have no care as to what you think, you piece of servile dirt.  Have you got that now.

PROVE that we are bad actors OR ELSE fuck back off under your rock. Sounds like a bunch of bias moronic speculation from a fucking imbecile.

Now when you have finished with your gay fantasies and dreams about getting dun in da ass (likely never happens without payment)

You have no experience here. Never heard of you before because you are a non achieving  loser on welfare.

This poor wretch defines..

 Those that clearly present undeniable observable instances of scamming, scammer supporting, willing scam facilitating and clear double standards = Those that cry the most

Yeah those people presenting clear evidence of DT wrong doing = the bad guys.

Keep taking your meds filth bag.

@suchmoron our fav lurker/stalker

Stop hiding and get out here fatso and debate the initial post. Is the other idiot one of your alts or something. Seems to be taking the same play here. A bunch of zero content speculation and garbage that just falls to pieces when you ask for any EVIDENCE or PROOF.


Notice how this thread is getting DERAILED again by those that will NOT DARE debate the points in the initial post.

[The-One-Above-All]

Notice how this thread is getting DERAILED again by those that will NOT DARE debate the points in the initial post.

Well, you see there, friend. That's what is referred to as "the rub". You can't very well debate "unsound minds" now, can you ?

I'm glad you at least realize your limitations and use.

Now either tackle the points in the initial post or fuck off.  Tired of low function DT feltching servile scum trying to derail the thread with their groundless speculations that are not even relevant or on topic.

Bring some substance imbecile or have your posts torn to pieces like the fragile garbage and derailing net negative trash they are.

[TMAN]

You can't very well debate "unsound minds" now, can you ?

many of us tried with OP... always ends up in the same spiral of madness, the OP loves it though - hence why most of us have it on ignore now.

you on the other-hand, well Bob I could chat with you all day!

[suchmoon]

I think the OP is suffering from "the sockpuppet who cried wolf too many times" syndrome. There is no one left who could be bothered to read his shit and/or to give a fuck (except Foxpup, who always does).

[The-One-Above-All]

I think the OP is suffering from "the sockpuppet who cried wolf too many times" syndrome. There is no one left who could be bothered to read his shit and/or to give a fuck (except Foxpup, who always does).

Looks like MORE ad hominem cowardly tactics to avoid tackling the central points made in the initial post.

Thanks for summoning foxy. He was crucial in proving ALICE was a blackmailing extortionist scumbag and poor old bob the innocent...

His not-based-on -reasoning based opinions are always welcome. 

[DireWolfM14]

@cryptohunter,
No one wants to debate someone who can't adhere to reality.  You continue to beat these dead horses with the only stick you own; the "DT did this to MEEEE" stick.  The thing is, if you had any rational arguments people might actually listen, but all you do is attack people to satisfy your own personal vendetta.  A vendetta that stems from you initially attacking people, and their subsequent retaliation.  If you ever had an argument that could have been used to gain support for your cause, you've squandered it by your continued slander, ad hominem attacks, and an inability to see the other side of the story.  

Sometimes our perception of the facts causes us to mistake the reality of a particular situation.  If you want a debate you must be willing to allow your mind to be changed, and accept that you may be mistaken.  That's how debates work.  I'm not immune from misinterpreting facts myself, but the difference is that I'm willing to acknowledge when I'm wrong.  You have demonstrated your inability to step away from the situation and take a look at it without bias, without making it personal.  

You've been on this crusade for well over a year a now, and haven't accomplished anything other than having your accounts painted red by those you continue to attack.  Don't you think it may be time for another strategy?

[The-One-Above-All]

@cryptohunter,
No one wants to debate someone who can't adhere to reality.  You continue to beat these dead horses with the only stick you own; the "DT did this to MEEEE" stick.  The thing is, if you had any rational arguments people might actually listen, but all you do is attack people to satisfy your own personal vendetta.  A vendetta that stems from you initially attacking people, and their subsequent retaliation.  If you ever had an argument that could have been used to gain support for your cause, you've squandered it by your continued slander, ad hominem attacks, and an inability to see the other side of the story.  

Sometimes our perception of the facts causes us to mistake the reality of a particular situation.  If you want a debate you must be willing to allow your mind to be changed, that you may be mistaken.  That's how debates work.  I'm not immune from misinterpreting facts myself, but the difference is that I'm willing to acknowledge when I'm wrong.  You have demonstrated your inability to step away from the situation and take a look at it without bias, without making personal.  

You've been on this crusade for well over a year a now, and haven't accomplished anything other than having your accounts painted red by those you continue -to attack.  Don't you think it may be time for another strategy?

There is no other strategy required. Present observable instances of clear double standards , scamming etc by DT members is all that is required.

WRONG it was their initial attacks as stated - stop playing fucking dumb.

Their initial attacks, lies and trust abuse. Undeniable.

Red marks ...oh no.  

You have demonstrated you are a total asslicking dreg that will say anything to spam chipmixer. Got it idiot.

NOW THEN rather than just SAY THINGS that pop into your servile assfeltching mind that are clearly bullshit when investigated. SAY THINGS AND CORROBORATE THEM WITH OBSERVABLE INSTANCES. Then they may have some value.

Bring evidence.

However, stick to the ON TOPIC AND RELEVANT points made in the initial post. Stop derailing with bullshit you just make up

WATCH THIS

Bring one central point we have made about your PALS who you mutually include on dt and cycle merits with or about the systems of control that has been conclusively debunked. I await your reply.

No more " the opposite of facts " from you burger flipper lol.... that is likely where SS got the idea from.

Have you not got some poor people to fleece with you loan shark rates?? what a scum bag.

All sounds like a lot of false excuses to AVOID debating the points clearly made in the  initial post.

DERAILING.

[DireWolfM14]

fucking dumb.
asslicking dreg
idiot.
servile assfeltching mind
burger flipper
scum bag.

 

Did you even bother reading what I wrote?  Not just glancing over it, actually reading it?  Did it occur to you that I was trying to help you? 

[vlom]

the most interesting parts of this topic are the posts that have not been made.

are you afraid to post here people? are you afraid that anybody will think that you have the same opinion like the OP?

the postings from TMAN quotet in this topic sound like blackmailing. if they are out of context here is an other question / history. and i wont read more about it in other topics.

and anybody that is writing something about what I should have done / or did instead about what i wrote here is trying to  sweep something under the carpet.

@OP:
If you are fighting for a better forum then stop it. It wont be possible. There are too many users that earn too much money here. This forum is nothing more than a copy of the capitalist society.

If you are trying to have a fight with TMAN than fight somewhere else. Because the forum wont be better if you do it here.

[suchmoon]

Did it occur to you that I was trying to help you? 

That's exactly what you deserve for that.

[TheNewAnon135246]

Did you even bother reading what I wrote?  Not just glancing over it, actually reading it?  Did it occur to you that I was trying to help you? 

He's been ranting so long about the same things, turning everyone into a hostile.