Project Anastasia: Bitcoiners Against Identity Theft [re: Craig Wright scam]

[BitcoinFX]

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Hahaha.

You actually had wishful thinking that Craig Wright is Satoshi?

I go and connect the dot's - But I admit - I DONT KNOW


I connect the dot's and find Bitcoin SV as the original BitCoin protocol - set in Stone.  Give it a Chance, cause I like BitCoin - as it was built

I do know. Chance is over.

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Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi.

Look at all this comprehensive research into his lies ...

The #faketoshi fraud timeline ...
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/mylegacykit.html
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/jimmy007forsure.html

Satoshi ...
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.0

Furthermore, hv_ is a known BitcoinSV 'shill' on this forum who has fantasy views on what Bitcoin is ...

This is his youtube channel. Derp ...
- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzNeSHDotOrskiBhlJokSbA

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[BitcoinFX]

CSW is like a lot Professors I ve talked or listened to

He just talks over many heads, so many (have to) conclude he cons

I don't think so - I get a lot of what he talks about

Sorry

Try to listen here

hxxps://micky.com.au/bitcoin-sv-spikes-20-as-hedge-fund-believes-satoshi-story/

BTW - many expect exactly such from a very Genius Satoshi. But now they have issues with the real Person who matches best (imo) ...

Sorry again

Nope. Your apology is not accepted. Craig Wight is a documented fraud, plagiarist and identity thief.

None of what he says goes over our heads. To date he has proven nothing. Nothing.

We are not stopping until BSV is listed where it belongs ...

- https://shitcoingraveyard.com/

[o_e_l_e_o]

In fact, there's technically nothing that could ever prove Satoshi's identity. Signing from early addresses or Satoshi's PGP key would only muddy the waters. Private keys can be compromised due to security mistakes or even encryption vulnerabilities.

You are right, but by that logic you can't actually prove anyone is anyone online. I can't prove I'm the same person who made that last post, and theymos can't prove he is the same person who opened his account. If someone showed up with signed messages from Satoshi linked addresses and his PGP key, with detailed knowledge of bitcoin, was able to display knowledge of things like the content of Satoshi's PMs on this forum, was able to convince theymos he was genuine and have his account unlocked, then I suspect the vast majority would see that as sufficient proof. Certainly the media would, and anything he said or did would be reported as "Satoshi says..."

[bettercrypto]

Welcome back nullius.

What I find ridiculous about all those fake satoshis is that they never prove to be him
 And it could be so easy.

Satoshi had many known public addresses.  Until someone just sign a message from one of those addresses, I.e. providing a cryptographic proof to be satoshi, they are just fake.

Calling them liars out loud isn't just like "feeding the troll"? I don't get how Craig got so much attention,  he even created the "real bitcoin cash". Lol

The return of nullius gives us another new topic to be known. Thanks to this genius member of this forum because he has lot of knowledge to be shared.

Yeah! Craig Wright is the person who made us laugh. He always want to claim that he is satoshi but he never proved it. A lot of fake satoshi lift up when Bitcoin gets it respect but when it has no value, no one wants to join with it.

[hv_]

In fact, there's technically nothing that could ever prove Satoshi's identity. Signing from early addresses or Satoshi's PGP key would only muddy the waters. Private keys can be compromised due to security mistakes or even encryption vulnerabilities.

You are right, but by that logic you can't actually prove anyone is anyone online. I can't prove I'm the same person who made that last post, and theymos can't prove he is the same person who opened his account. If someone showed up with signed messages from Satoshi linked addresses and his PGP key, with detailed knowledge of bitcoin, was able to display knowledge of things like the content of Satoshi's PMs on this forum, was able to convince theymos he was genuine and have his account unlocked, then I suspect the vast majority would see that as sufficient proof. Certainly the media would, and anything he said or did would be reported as "Satoshi says..."

Quite right. Posessing some keys (of a car, house, email account - bitcoin wallet) ,doesn't prove real ownership - not on showing, using, whatever.

Real 'evidence' needs a lot of more - esp in real world, like receipts of registering all the web sites, ppl who have Counter checked the White Paper,... telling things not known before in a decent way.

Evidence is a tricky thing out of the math realm - even for judges  

[o_e_l_e_o]

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You clearly didn't read my previous post (see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215128.msg53533796#msg53533796), and my position is absolutely not what you are insinuating.

Being able to sign a message is not proof on its own, but is the first step in being able to establish something approaching proof. CSW has failed repeatedly and hilariously to do this, even going so far as trying to fake signatures. All his other "evidence" is obviously false and easily debunked.

Sure, real evidence of someone being Satoshi will be difficult to establish, but it is absolutely, categorically, none of the "evidence" CSW has presented.

[BitcoinFX]

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You clearly didn't read my previous post (see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215128.msg53533796#msg53533796), and my position is absolutely not what you are insinuating.

Being able to sign a message is not proof on its own, but is the first step in being able to establish something approaching proof. CSW has failed repeatedly and hilariously to do this, even going so far as trying to fake signatures. All his other "evidence" is obviously false and easily debunked.

Sure, real evidence of someone being Satoshi will be difficult to establish, but it is absolutely, categorically, none of the "evidence" CSW has presented.

Not knowing it better, but knowing what ppl try loudly to get sth from Satoshi - in addition to what he delivered with Bitcoin - not wanting to do any kind of OWN Research = PoW

I can understand that Satoshi would not do the easy peasy proof - not that he owes that by any means

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Image Source: @lopp on twitter

"/Shuz" - *Satire* - SWIM
- https://youtu.be/LPBTaVfsfrQ *NSFW*

Epic fail ...

The Bitcoin affair: Craig Wright promises extraordinary proof
- https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36193006

Gavin Andresen ... CIA Informant ...

Gavin will visit the CIA
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6652.0

Gavin Andresen Now Regrets Role in Satoshi Nakamoto Saga
- https://www.coindesk.com/gavin-andresen-regrets-role-satoshi-nakamoto-saga

Jon Matonis ... was on nChains payrole ... also worked at hushmail ...

nChain Appoints Bitcoin Foundation Executive Jon Matonis As Vice President of Corporate Strategy
- https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2017/05/99637-nchain-appoints-bitcoin-foundation-executive-jon-matonis-vice-president-corporate-strategy/

Hushmail Turns Out To Not Be Quite So Hush Hush
- https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071108/093110.shtml

Hushmail To Warn Users of Law Enforcement Backdoor
- https://www.wired.com/2007/11/hushmail-to-war/

...

Proof-of-beats
Signal - To - Noise Ratio -- Vitalik Mic Drop
- https://soundcloud.com/proofofbeats/signal-to-noise-ratio-vitalik-mic-drop

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In other news ...

Stormzy visits BBC Breakfast in his slippers
- https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51020104

banksÿÿÿÿ
- https://visitbristol.co.uk/things-to-do/banksy-walking-tour-p1354013

STORMZY - CROWN (OFFICIAL PERFORMANCE VIDEO)
- https://youtu.be/EBwaflYUYrM

*Thumbs Up*

   

[nullius]

This is an awesome discussion.  There are a few replies I want to make; and I am working on another topic that will be relevant to this one.  Meanwhile, I must address this timely:

hv_, I am deleting some (but not all) of your posts on this topic.

If you want to post a statement that “Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto” cryptographically signed by one of Satoshi’s known keys, then please feel free.  I won’t delete it; indeed, I would be very interested to see that.

If you want to contradict my OP, try intelligently explaining why identity theft isn’t identity theft.  Thus far, your posts have been irrelevant to OP.

If you continue to support identity theft with proof-by-repetition of arrant nonsense that has been exhaustively debunked all over the Internet, then you are not being honest toward Satoshi; and you may thus continue to find that I am in a bad mood, as I warned in OP.

Don’t cry “censorship”.  It’s a big forum.  You can and do promote your agenda here; I can’t stop you from doing that, and I don’t want to, because I want for Craig Wright’s claims to be scrutinized so everybody can see what a liar he is.  I’ve thoughtfully archived your deleted posts so that people can see them, if they really want to.  But this thread was made to discuss an angle that I think nobody thought of before.  It’s a narrow topic.  I watched you post a few times to see if you would say anything interesting, or even relevant.  You didn’t.  At this point, your posts are tantamount to someone walking into a physics conference, and taking the podium to repeat a random list of Flat Earth arguments.

The best of which is this, which I found too funny to delete:

...it's just wishful thinking on their part that they haven't been duped by a con-artist.

I'd agree on the Point of wishful thinking [...]

Proof by wishful thinking.  It’s a winner!

Yes, I, too, wish that the Earth was flat.  —Actually, no, I don’t.

Whyever would you want to discover that Satoshi Nakamoto is really a two-faced sleazy scammer with a bad history who is completely incompetent at cryptography?

If I saw that proved, I wouldn’t reject the proof based on my own wishful thinking.  It also wouldn’t affect my love of Bitcoin:  It is implicit in Bitcoin’s design that Satoshi made it to grow bigger than himself, to grow beyond his control, to be free for everybody.  Bitcoin has done that; and my opinion of Bitcoin itself would not be affected, if it turned out that Satoshi was a disgusting scumbag like Craig Wright.  But I would be disappointed!  I certainly do not wish for such a thing.


I will also leave here some of hv_’s posts that people substantially replied to, if I think that deleting them would make the replies stand unfairly out of context.  I am acting now so that the same reason will not apply to others.


Edit 2020-01-16:  Sent two more of hv_’s irrelevant and/or dishonest and insulting posts to /dev/null.  Archive of second page with both posts.  Time to empty the bitbucket.

[ChiBitCTy]

I listend to Fluffy Pony on the Bad Bitcoin podcast a few days ago and he made a good point I had not considered ( foolishly). He’s so deep in to his web of lies, lies that people have put their faith and money in to believing he’s actually Satoshi , that if he finally fessed up he’d lose all that income /potential income and every particle of his reputation.

As I’ve stated before.. it became very obvious to me when he told me he built smart contracts in to the chain from day 1, a direct contradiction to satoshi himself in this thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750.msg8140#msg8140)...  Though Satoshi does not mention smart contacts by name., Nick Szabo stated to me that’s exactly what he believes Satoshi ( or maybe himself) was referring to.

Welcome back nullius..good to have a real deal Mr Robot like yourself around teaching idiots like myself

[DooMAD]

I listed to Fluffy Pony on the Bad Bitcoin podcast a few days ago and he made a good point I had not considered ( foolishly). He’s so deep in to his web of lies, lies that people have put their faith and money in to believing he’s actually Satoshi , that if he finally fessed up he’d lose all that income /potential income and every particle of his reputation.

Yep, there's no way back for him now.  People either already recognise him for the fraud that he is, or will soon recognise him for the fraud that he is.  It's only a matter of time before he's totally discredited, but he has literally no other choice, short of disappearing from the public eye and going into hiding, perhaps, than to keep pushing forward with increasingly implausible lies.

[JayJuanGee]

I listed to Fluffy Pony on the Bad Bitcoin podcast a few days ago and he made a good point I had not considered ( foolishly). He’s so deep in to his web of lies, lies that people have put their faith and money in to believing he’s actually Satoshi , that if he finally fessed up he’d lose all that income /potential income and every particle of his reputation.

Yep, there's no way back for him now.  People either already recognise him for the fraud that he is, or will soon recognise him for the fraud that he is.  It's only a matter of time before he's totally discredited, but he has literally no other choice, short of disappearing from the public eye and going into hiding, perhaps, than to keep pushing forward with increasingly implausible lies.

Once he get's his next payoff (with the forkening of that shitcoin and the ability to take control over unmoved coins, such as those that satoshi would have had), if he does not get put into custody, he may disappear, at the point of cashing some of those out.  Liquid enough?  enough believers to keep up the price while he is cashing out? 

He might need some kind of facial (non)recognition surgery, too.  Maybe a trip to India, even if that one has already been done? He is not exactly a stickler for originality, so he can build upon previous used techniques, take them to a new level of absurd and claim them as his own.

[meanwords]

This needs to be highlighted more on the forum,
should we afford CW a special board or section?

NEVER. He doesn't deserve the space.

He deserves a targeted and focussed highlight of his claims and
his impersonation. A place where all articles can be grouped in one
where we can all be informed and vent our hate at his antics.

He do not deserve anything. A thread is enough to do it to prove that he is fake and at the same time express your anger towards him with facts. Maybe a group of articles and proofs in a single thread against faketoshi's claim.

I personally think that this thread is enough for the community to reveal that what he is doing is an identity theft. Because newbies tend to not know about this kind of technical things, like the wallet signs and all those things that is hidden about Satoshi that only theymos knows. faketoshi can't prove a single thing. Veterans however have seen faketoshi's schemes long ago.

That's why we as a community should spread this thread on every discussion about faketoshi (aka craig wright) to help newbies be aware as they are the target of this scammer.

[Wind_FURY]

I listed to Fluffy Pony on the Bad Bitcoin podcast a few days ago and he made a good point I had not considered ( foolishly). He’s so deep in to his web of lies, lies that people have put their faith and money in to believing he’s actually Satoshi , that if he finally fessed up he’d lose all that income /potential income and every particle of his reputation.

Yep, there's no way back for him now.  People either already recognise him for the fraud that he is, or will soon recognise him for the fraud that he is.  It's only a matter of time before he's totally discredited, but he has literally no other choice, short of disappearing from the public eye and going into hiding, perhaps, than to keep pushing forward with increasingly implausible lies.

How soon ? Ever ?

I hope years. He is Bitcoin's villain/troll that every Bitcoiner loves to hate, and everyone needs. He would be a good introduction on learning, the hard way, https://twitter.com/andrespollan/status/1185455536084541441

[DooMAD]

Yep, there's no way back for him now.  People either already recognise him for the fraud that he is, or will soon recognise him for the fraud that he is.  It's only a matter of time before he's totally discredited

How soon ? Ever ?

You tell me.  How long is it going to take you to figure out that he's not what he's pretending to be?  How many times does he have to lie to your face before you finally figure out he's using you?  Every time you defend him, you are enabling a charlatan to defraud more people.  Does that not bother you?

At this stage, I honestly don't care if you share some ideological views with Faketoshi.  Keep pushing for larger blocks if you genuinely think that's what is best.  But stop supporting this absolute parasite attempting to coopt satoshi's identity.  You are currently complicit in his crime.

[dothebeats]

I'm aware of the story and events surrounding Anastasia, and that's some pretty screwed-up history over a name right there. This just proves that identity is so valuable to each and every one of us that it may cost us our lives for the comfort of others'.

Now as for CSW continuously claiming the brains behind bitcoin yet cannot do a simple signing of addresses and/or any other keys the real Satoshi laid out in the open is enough evidence that this man is a nutjob. He's constantly delaying the process of him laying out the necessary evidences that will seal the deal; he's making the entire crypto community dumb as he thinks we are by evading a long withstanding 'request' from his multitude of peers and supporters all over the world. As of this moment, he's so deep into his lies that a single wrong step in the path that he's taking and he's dead. Frankly, we know why he's doing all these things: for monetary gain and evading law enforcement, but it's only a matter of time before the nutjob faces his grim (and well-deserved) fate.

Posessing some keys (of a car, house, email account - bitcoin wallet) ,doesn't prove real ownership - not on showing, using, whatever.

Real 'evidence' needs a lot of more - esp in real world, like receipts of registering all the web sites, ppl who have Counter checked the White Paper,... telling things not known before in a decent way.

All of which CSW failed to acknowledge, prove or comment with veracity and integrity. Some of his statements do not complement one or the other even, so I don't think Mr. CSWrong does provide us any sort of proof to his claims as Satoshi.

If he is, he'd definitely save us the hassle of guessing who he really is and cross-referencing every vague statement he had released over the years.

Evidence is a tricky thing out of the math realm - even for judges 

Partly true, and CSW used that to his (dis)advantage perfectly.

[kryptqnick]

Identity theft is wrong.  It is fraudulent, and it’s a crime.  In the case of theft of a famous identity, the imposture can hurt many people.  It must be stopped.

I hereby call on Bitcoiners to unite in opposition to identity theft.  Call it out when you see it.  Call it what it is, identity theft.  Never ignore it!  Stand up to it, whether the theft is big or small.  And if the identity thief is trying to hijack a famous identity so as to scam lots of people for lots of money, make sure that everybody knows this is identity theft on a grand scale.

Do it because it’s right.  Do it to protect Bitcoin.  And do it in memory of Anastasia, an innocent victim of famous identity theft for seven decades after she was already dead.

I really liked the Anastasia-themed style and the message to oppose identity theft. I also agree that Craig is almost certainly a liar and that impostors profit from their actions. Craig, for one, received great popularity and is even often invited to Blockchain forums and similar events, unfortunately. To oppose identity theft, however, there must be some criteria that let us decide whether it qualifies as identity theft or not (how sure we must be to call it out), and what exactly can we do to oppose it.
I also see the following problem. I have a friend who is sincerely absolutely sure that Craig is the real Satoshi and it's a matter of time till everyone realizes it. What can we do about such people that would defend a potential impostor?

[Thekool1s]

Posessing some keys (of a car, house, email account - bitcoin wallet) ,doesn't prove real ownership - not on showing, using, whatever.

I have only read a few articles from sources which support CSW's claim of being satoshi and they all throw in this stupid analogy. Are they really out of any other ideas? Bitcoin is supposed to a "currency" smdh, You don't go out in the real world giving out stakes in your house in exchange for services and goods, that's not how it works! You use "Cash"... I find this analogy really dumb, but then again I shouldn't be surprised as these people actually think CSW is Satoshi... BTW the "deed" of the house is the "Key" in this analogy! That's how the state identifies you as being the owner of the "house"... How da Fuck! can these people not recognize that? We are in 2020 and people are still dumb as fuck!

[Wind_FURY]

Yep, there's no way back for him now.  People either already recognise him for the fraud that he is, or will soon recognise him for the fraud that he is.  It's only a matter of time before he's totally discredited

How soon ? Ever ?

You tell me.  How long is it going to take you to figure out that he's not what he's pretending to be?  How many times does he have to lie to your face before you finally figure out he's using you?  Every time you defend him, you are enabling a charlatan to defraud more people.  Does that not bother you?

At this stage, I honestly don't care if you share some ideological views with Faketoshi.  Keep pushing for larger blocks if you genuinely think that's what is best.  But stop supporting this absolute parasite attempting to coopt satoshi's identity.  You are currently complicit in his crime.

I believe that they, deep inside, believe that Craig Wright is a fraud/liar, and have become trolls. Or they already know that he is already a fraud/liar from the very start, and have been trolling.

[nullius]

This is growing into an excellent discussion.  Although I do have much more to say here, I’ve recently been happy to step back and watch people examine the issue from different angles.

Because of how merit is sometimes perceived, I must note, I did not agree with, or fully agree with, every post I recently merited.  Some raised meritorious, albeit (in my opinion) arguable points that I encourage others to examine.  Some good dialectics are organically picking up here; and I want to encourage intelligent, constructive discourse, as a necessary but insufficient precursor for action.

Speaking of which...

-> Sadly all those content gets deleted here

Yup. :–)

Archived and then disposed of, per what I said before:

If you want to post a statement that “Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto” cryptographically signed by one of Satoshi’s known keys, then please feel free.  I won’t delete it; indeed, I would be very interested to see that.

If you want to contradict my OP, try intelligently explaining why identity theft isn’t identity theft.  Thus far, your posts have been irrelevant to OP.

If you continue to support identity theft with proof-by-repetition of arrant nonsense that has been exhaustively debunked all over the Internet, then you are not being honest toward Satoshi; and you may thus continue to find that I am in a bad mood, as I warned in OP.

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Edit 2020-01-16:  Sent two more of hv_’s irrelevant and/or dishonest and insulting posts to /dev/null.  Archive of second page with both posts.  Time to empty the bitbucket.

[aoluain]

I listend to Fluffy Pony on the Bad Bitcoin podcast a few days ago and he made a good point I had not considered ( foolishly). He’s so deep in to his web of lies, lies that people have put their faith and money in to believing he’s actually Satoshi , that if he finally fessed up he’d lose all that income /potential income and every particle of his reputation.

As I’ve stated before.. it became very obvious to me when he told me he built smart contracts in to the chain from day 1, a direct contradiction to satoshi himself in this thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750.msg8140#msg8140)...  Though Satoshi does not mention smart contacts by name., Nick Szabo stated to me that’s exactly what he believes Satoshi ( or maybe himself) was referring to.

Welcome back nullius..good to have a real deal Mr Robot like yourself around teaching idiots like myself

I came here to this thread again to post what im posting below and I read this
post to catch up on things here and this hit it for me.

What I was going to post was:

I cannot understand how he has gotten so much traction and gone so far along
this "Real Satoshi" claim, who in their right mind was the first person to believe
his claims without asking the question which we are asking now and have been
asking for quite some time, "sign a message ...and until such time as the message is signed you are treated as a fake"

The answer to every statement he ever said about Satoshi's wallets or ownership
of same should have been "sign a message from a known Satoshi wallet ...and until such time as the message is signed you are treated as a fake"

2015
https://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/  
Is Bitcoin's Creator this Unknown Australian Genius? Should have asked him to sign a message from a known Satoshi wallet

https://www.wired.com/2015/12/new-clues-suggest-satoshi-suspect-craig-wright-may-be-a-hoaxer/
New Clues Suggest Craig Wright, Suspected Bitcoin Creator, May Be a Hoaxer
Dont need CLUES, just one task, ask him to sign a message from a known Satoshi wallet

2016
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36168863
Australian Craig Wright claims to be Bitcoin creator, Great, ask him to sign a message from one of the Satoshi wallets

https://www.economist.com/briefing/2016/05/02/craig-wright-reveals-himself-as-satoshi-nakamoto
Craig Wright reveals himself as Satoshi Nakamoto Did you ask him to sign a message from one of the Satoshi wallets?

and so on and so on until we get all the way into court and still the question is not being asked....

and the statement isnt being said, "if you cannot access the wallets . . . sorry for your troubles, come back to us when you can"

Its amazing how blindly some people can be led down a winding path