[Doubt the possibility of a scam] BestChange Bounty and Signature Campaign.

[YOSHIE]

What happens if the BestChange Bounty and Signature Campaign does not use escrow, which has been provided in this bitcointalk forum.

Topic: BestChange Bounty and Signature Campaign.

ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217201.0

http://archive.is/HnptG

The user: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1073450

Promised payment.

Signature campaign rewards:
- Hero/Legendary Members - $90 per week
- Senior Member - $70 per week
- Full Member - $45 per week
- Member -  $30 per week

The way to receive participants is quite unique unlike most other managers,
Profile displayed without participant's name. Suspicious.

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217201.msg53602841#msg53602841

http://archive.is/wip/UGVrP

The campaign manager has two accounts with the same name.

1. Best_Change

2. Best.Change


There are several accusations against BestChange that I have found against the participants.

Logically, if the company (BestChange) that you are advertising is deceptive, how does the campaign pay the participants.

Another proof about bestchange.com is scamer.

Never use https://www.bestchange.com/ is the worst kind of crap there is out there, I can promise you will get scammed by a minimum of 90% of everyone there, I got scammed for as little as $15 and all the negative I put for those scammers were removed after a few hours of posting them, if you value your money you will stay safe and search for an exchange that has good reputation and references.

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3309245.0

http://archive.is/wip/QKMrv

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122645.0


Additional proof:

Registrant Organization: Privacy Protect, LLC (PrivacyProtect.org)
Registrant State/Province: MA
Registrant Country: US

http://whois.domaintools.com/ecurrencyexchange.info

https://www.bestchange.com/e-currencytrade-exchanger.html ( There are many complaints )

Why did you use a very strange website like that?

Proof:

Topic: I think i got scammed by "shapeshift.io" and bestchange can't be trusted !

Hello everybody
in the past days i was short in cash for eid (eid is like muslim christmas)
so i decided to exchange some of my holds in litecoin to bitcoin and trade it with some local exchangers
so i checked bestchanger.com (i usually check it ) to get one good exchanger from litecoin to bitcoin and i got website called shapeshift
so before 3 days from now  i made an exchange in shapeshift.io of (44) Litecoin to Bitcoin and it did not complete it !!
they just give me a fake txid (i haven no idea what is going on)
some information :

exchange : https://shapeshift.io/#/status/4d4c2e03-87c7-461a-b0e8-ea1b5cdd1c47 (pic : http://prntscr.com/fohi85)
sent 44 ltc to LNRdTp51X5arBhLHkBTqQCzur1zvKSCzad (check https://live.blockcypher.com/ltc/address/LNRdTp51X5arBhLHkBTqQCzur1zvKSCzad)

and i didn't receive anything on my address and they give me fake id

i had tried to contact them from 3 days and noting !! the litecoin price changed so hard and i don't care i just need the exchangeto be complete at any value or refund me!
or at least reply to me (ANYTHING!)
many tickets not even a simple reply !

now the surprise in bestchange.com !!!

they marked shapeshift.io as unavailable -AFTER GOD KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE LOST THEIR MONEY
URL : https://www.bestchange.com/shapeshift-exchanger.html (pic : http://prntscr.com/fohlkx)

don't these people check website before adding them ? is this ok  to lose 44 litecoin because i trust bestchange and looked for good price?
please someone tell me what to do ?
is their a solution ?
or it's just done?

Proof:

Bestexchange has nothing to do as it acts just like a directory. I have checked the transaction id they sent, it really does not exist. Would suggest to open a scam accusation thread and inform shapeshift, hopefully they will not like the idea of being exposed publicly and resolve the issue.

Proof:

Topic: Allegations of fraud.

Topic: [FIXED]i got scammed by "shapeshift.io" and bestchange.com can't be trusted

I think for campaign participants to be more careful (BestChange Bounty and Signature Campaign). Which was held at this time. (Because they don't use existing escrow).
It is vulnerable from scams, without pay.

Additional evidence;








Note: if they use escrow service, (for several weeks) which is in this forum I will lock this topic.

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[BITCOIN4X]

This thread should be on the Scam Accusations or Reputation. What do you think ?

So far the fact is that campaign funds are not owned by escrow and the number of participants received is unknown. The signature campaign will begin tomorrow or January 15, 2020.

[logfiles]

I saw the signature campaign and i was amazed at the number of people who applied and are willing to join the campaign even without doing a little background checks and ensuring the funds are in escrow.

From a personal perspective, the campaign looks so shady and too good to believe especially the social media bounty bit. I have a feeling things may not end well.

[webtricks]

No doubt, campaign is looking fishy but on the same note, you should also notice that it isn't some new company or newbie creating campaign. Bestchange is into existence from last many years so the case here is little bit different. We can't assume campaign is 100% scam.

So for that reason, it's inappropriate to tag them for the possible scam. It may weaken the result of campaign as members may not use their site by seeing red trust on the account. So for now, it's better if neutral trust is given. If they won't pay after a week, you are good to give red trust.

Also the two cases you mentioned above don't directly bring Bestchange into question. It's a listing website and such discrepancies are common. If there are 10-15 faulty trades then there are 10-15K good trades which aren't discussed anywhere.

[TMAN]

I had already tagged them, they have sent me a PM about this

I requested them to use a site escrow - lets see what they come back with

[YOSHIE]

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Because this campaign is new, it doesn't matter, the problem is, the BestChange company advertised in the campaign is involved in a number of frauds experienced by participants.

The campaign is paid by an automated company, (BestChange) basically cheats participants.
And one more suspicion is that they don't use escrow available on the bitcointalk forum.

If he uses the available escrow in the next few weeks, maybe the suspicion will subside and the trust can be removed.

[Best_Change]

Hi YOSHIE,

We are a legitimate business running since 2007 and would certainly not risk our reputation by tricking forum users into our campaign and not paying them.

Also, as for the two situations you are citing, as a business which is an intermediary between clients and exchangers, we always strive to resolve any issues the clients may have (although this is a rare case since we check all the exchangers before adding them to our website). In the first situation, we asked the user to contact us and so no feedback from him in the thread. The second situation was resolved.

We hope that you will kindly remove your Negative trust once you see the first payouts.

[enhu]

Hi YOSHIE,

We are a legitimate business running since 2007 and would certainly not risk our reputation by tricking forum users into our campaign and not paying them.

Also, as for the two situations you are citing, as a business which is an intermediary between clients and exchangers, we always strive to resolve any issues the clients may have (although this is a rare case since we check all the exchangers before adding them to our website). In the first situation, we asked the user to contact us and so no feedback from him in the thread. The second situation was resolved.

We hope that you will kindly remove your Negative trust once you see the first payouts.

Try resolving the past scam accusation of your exchange and also get an escrow of the funds for your marketing in the forum. If its resolved, you may get the neutral trust of the reputable people here in the forum. You can't just solve these issues by citing your business is running for the longest time since 2007.

Try picking an escrow here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439910.0 and perhaps a reputable bounty manager as well.

[rhomelmabini]

If we do the math with the current all accepted participants of their signature campaign it is amounting $3585 or 0.4144 BTC (via preev.com rate) this week plus the other payment for their social media bounties too.

We hope that you will kindly remove your Negative trust once you see the first payouts.

As stated on your trust summary by TMAN as well, I think they'll do it as soon as it goes smooth well on your end or if not, expect dozens of it on your trust page. I'm just being realistic here.

[Sultanar484]

I had a little bit confusion about their payment amount they want to pay as it is more than other project. That's why i didn't join singature campaign. Thanks for creating and beawaring us.

[YOSHIE]

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I don't care if you run your business good or bad.
I see the fact that some of your clients have complained about your business in the 2017 century.

Reputation.
1. BestChange is accused of being a fraud by several of his clients.
2. Not using escrow in the current campaign, vulnerable to participant fraud.
3. Accepting campaign participants without mentioning the participant's name in the last post.

So, if you are fine here, following the current rules, use escrow for a few weeks to make your campaign safer and better for you now.
The funds you pay for participants are very large so secure your campaign funds.
After finishing all that, it's back to normal and you're safe.

[dkbit98]

It would be good if they accept some kind of escrow or a way to show members they are serious, honest and that people will be paid.
That being said, I don't think red trust is correct here, so I will tag it with neutral feedback for now.

[AB de Royse777]

What happens if the BestChange Bounty and Signature Campaign does not use escrow, which has been provided in this bitcointalk forum.

If they do not pay the bounty and signature campaign participants then they will get red tag. Plain and simple. Can we force them to use escrow? No, we can not.

@YOSHIE, there are two dimension of your topic.
1. You are questioning them not to use escrow
2. Few scam accusations against them. <=== I have not verified them so I really do not have any idea about the status and details of those accusations.

You left them a negative feedback saying:

Some participants complained about the company (BestChange) that it was likely a fraud and did not use the available escrow. Be Careful.

Note: likely
And also note: Did not use available escrow.

So it turns out that you tagged a user based on your observation (likely fraud) only, did not bother to do an investigation and also you tagged them because they did not use any escrow?

Do we really tag users because they do not use escrow and without any investigation on the scam accusations they have against them?

TMAN left this:

no escrow campaign - Users be aware. I will remove the tag after the user agrees to escrow or makes 1st payment

I disagree the Tag and I am going to counter yours. And I will tag them if they do not pay their participants as they promised.

[TMAN]

I disagree the Tag and I am going to counter yours. And I will tag them if they do not pay their participants as they promised.

then you are on my distrust list now as you are going to give them an un earned green mark you fool

[AB de Royse777]

then you are on my distrust list now as you are going to give them an un earned green mark you fool

It's your trust list and you keep it how you want. I will tag them only if they do not pay the participants. The forum users are adult enough and going through the feedback page they can decide what is good for them.

Talking about the green? As long as yours get removed I will remove mine too as mine is serving as the counter of yours. I am really not into leaving feedback and stuffs much by the way.

I really do not see the point to tag someone just because they did not use escrow. My mind is open to listen by the way. Feel free bud.

[yahoo62278]

The red tag is being used as it should IMO. TMAN and YOSHIE are just giving a warning to the community. Both tags would be removed if the company follows through with payments.

It is the companies choice as to whether they want to hire a manager, or an escrow. They can manage it themselves if they wish, but will have to deal with the red tag until they prove they are going to pay out. I don't see an issue with the way this is being handled. The amount is fairly large when you add in the bounty portion+ the signature campaign. Likely looking at around 1btc or close in the 1st week.

Bottom line, they could have hired an escrow for .5%-3% per week or a manager and saved all these tags. They choose not to, which is their prerogative. With all of you guys signing up for the pretty decent rates, how would you want the community to proceed if they decided to take all the free advertising and say fuck you to paying? Which btw is still an option for them. People are complaining now that they don't deserve a tag and giving countertags. How foolish will you look if they run off?

The tags are not permanent by no means long as they make the payments they're offering. Let time go by and see what happens.

[TMAN]

I really do not see the point to tag someone just because they did not use escrow. My mind is open to listen by the way. Feel free bud.

Your new and don't have much trading history here, so ill forgive your nativity in the 1st instance, I on the other hand have traded hundreds of BTC here over the years and can tell you anyone who refuses to use escrow is 9 times out of 10 a scammer.

you have powers now you are on the DT lists please think about what a positive from you does.

anyway up to you how you behave, although I can assure you other DT members will exclude you if you behave in such a way moving forwards 

[The Cryptovator]

When I saw their campaign thread and large amount of applications, also there was some questions about escrow then I had asked them to hire someone from trusted & reputed managers to manage their campaign. But seems they have ignored my message. I didn't recommend for any specific manager (even not for me), because I believe any trusted manager will not handle such as campaign without escrow fund. But as yahoo62278 said, there is huge amount of reward, its quite reasonable to ask them hire escrow or manager for their campaign since account is very new.

Red tag is appropriate in my opinion to warn participants that their reward is on risk. Its removable, if they paid as promised then rad tag would be reconsider.

I really do not see the point to tag someone just because they did not use escrow. My mind is open to listen by the way. Feel free bud.

Fine, if you don't see any valid reason to tag then you could avoid to tag him. But what is the valid reason to counter with positive feedback?

Just say, they are legit and they paid regularly then TMAN would remove negative feedback, but if incase they scam participants then what will happen?

[bitmover]

I disagree the Tag and I am going to counter yours. And I will tag them if they do not pay their participants as they promised.

then you are on my distrust list now as you are going to give them an un earned green mark you fool

I agree with TMAN here.
The new Trust system does not work like this anymore Royse777, you cannot counter a red tag with a green one. They will be marked as +1 and -1.

The green mark you gave them is un earned and certainly not deserved.

a -1 red tag is more deserving than your green one. Their attitude is suspicious and anyone dealing with them may lose money.

Edit: What is terrible about the +1 in their account, is that newbies can think the account should be trusted, while they clearly can't trust them. They may prove themselves to be trusted (if they pay), but they are promising high payment without any escrow.

[TMAN]

Its removable, if they paid as promised then rad tag would be reconsider.

All tags should be fluid, if it turns into a scam then a flag and more red will rain down on them, if not then the tags can be removed. its not like the DT system of a few years ago where DT1 wouldnt budge.