🔥 Vile Chipmixer Bounty Abuse 🔥 Probably the Biggest Con Job on Bitcointalk

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The sense of entitlement is just astonishing.

And the whole pseudo-patriotic bickering would be defeating your whole case if you had one.

I agree wholeheartedly with both of these statements, suchmoon.  I have never seen a more nationalistic community than the Turkish one--or at least they have the most members loudly vocalizing such sentiments.  But the truth is that I don't think anyone in power on this forum is against members from Turkey.  I certainly don't have any problems with them because of where they live or what religion they practice. 

It's the behavior of some of these members that disturbs me--it's almost radically nationalistic and not just a little bit paranoid, too.  And as I said previously, the issue in this thread is about the Chipmixer campaign and I'm not sure some folks realize just how competitive it really is.  Hell, I got rejected once and I know other members who've been rejected multiple times.  You just have to roll with it and not take it as an affront to 1) you, personally; 2) your nationality; or 3) your religion or political affiliation. 

Railing on about the unfairness of it all is simply ridiculous.  We're all dealing with the same world and the same unfairness and many of the same problems.  Why bitch to people who've got their own fucking problems?

[marlboroza]

~

Are you going to provide evidence to back up your words or not?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220060.msg53682633#msg53682633

[Harlot]

My friends and I naively responded to each and every one of similar slanderous accusations in the past, and the people who came after us were even facetiously declared untrustworthy by the general community; however it's very easy to see for anyone paying attention to forum dynamics that practically it led to no improvements...

I'm pretty sure that even if some members are spreading false or even true accusations to those turkish applicants Darkstar's decision would remain unbiased and he will just accept the best members of the forum applying for their campaign. Darkstar would still personally check each applications and do some background checks but mostly the one who will get that spot will be about who posts the educated and of high quality posts here in the forum. And maybe it is the main reason why the Turkish board isn't having any members part of ChipMixer.

[DarkStar_]

But Darkstar_ announced that he did not accept me in a campaign that I did not apply for.

Apologies for the mistake. My method of going through applications has been to use my alt account, and put anyone who I am not accepting onto that account's ignore list temporarily. Most likely, I saw your post in the thread, took a quick look through your posts, decided that you didn't particularly meet what I was looking for (I had other "better" Turkish members apply) and denied the "application", even though it didn't exist.

[eaLiTy]

Even going by the bare minimum statistics, Turkish boards should have already had at least 2 members representing Chipmixer, before Darkstar_ was begrudgingly convinced that it would be the "politically correct" strategic move to include one...

Sit back and relax and think for yourself, is it not excessive when there are users here wanting to have a dedicated board while we only have 20 local boards and one skandinavisk local board which includes users from Sweden, Norway and Denmark and we have 195 countries and here you are trolling about the unconstitutional selection procedure in a campaign that only one Turk is selected in the campaign  .
Chill out mate have fun once in a while rather than taking things personally  .

[marlboroza]

I'm pretty sure that even if some members are spreading false or even true accusations

No, you don't start post like that. OP is lying. He posted bunch of words which have no connection to reality and is trying to make people believe in them:

[...]Turkish member
[...]
well documented manipulators like suchmoon and marlboroza

"Well documented manipulators like suchmoon and marlboroza" literally opposed flags against Turkish members, if you want to know, including account Vispilio:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181603.0

I would really like to know where is manipulation well documented.

[muslol67]

But Darkstar_ announced that he did not accept me in a campaign that I did not apply for.

Apologies for the mistake. My method of going through applications has been to use my alt account, and put anyone who I am not accepting onto that account's ignore list temporarily. Most likely, I saw your post in the thread, took a quick look through your posts, decided that you didn't particularly meet what I was looking for (I had other "better" Turkish members apply) and denied the "application", even though it didn't exist.

No need to apologize. I am not offended. I am aware of you have a hard job. And it is not easy thing to choose limited person from a lot of appliers. I didn't apply because I knew I was not suit for your positions. Because I am sure that everyone on this forum wants to work with you anyway.
Our concern about people behaviour. So many needless accusations has been created and some of member acting without justice.

[suchmoon]

oh after 3 days of stressful ruminations, and about 100 slanderous messages against me dominating the Reputation section, did the "famiglia" finally let Darkstar_ include 1 Turk ?.. Wow what a provably fair outcome  

Even going by the bare minimum statistics, Turkish boards should have already had at least 2 members representing Chipmixer, before Darkstar_ was begrudgingly convinced that it would be the "politically correct" strategic move to include one...

If you truly believe that's what's going on then I don't know why you would even want to be in that campaign.

And saying that Kalemder is a "politically correct" hire is quite unfair to him.

[JollyGood]

Do this by tagging if you have a problem with someone. I didn't like this analogy. I don't want to be involved in this discussion but I had to watch your post.

i condemn you about this !!

People in this forum can insult each other. They can fight but Uploading to a community is not nice...

You have not opened a single title for the Turkish community ohhh soryy one post

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1904686

this topic is opened to sell an account (ekşi)

My advice to you

hug everyone and love them !! people are two kinds dude...

good and bad


produce original content for your community... see you

The analogy fits perfectly.

Vispilio couldn't get what he wants, and starts throwing "allaah ackbars" randomly like the guy in the video.

If you don't think you are like him, then there is no need for you to be offended.

The OP has been throwing the race card around. It is a morally repulsive thing to do, it is disgusting.

The premise of this thread is just another case of misdirection and hoping to get some sympathy along the way.

[nullius]

This topic is negative PR and defamation.

Everybody else already explained the obvious:  Why Vispilio is wrong.  You just hit the deeper implications.

A warning to business owners and managers:  Avoid Vispilio like plague.  He has hereby clearly demonstrated that if he does not get the deal he wants from you, then he will wage a defamatory public smear campaign screaming that you are “racist” (!), and demanding that theymos intervene in your private business affairs (!!).  If you are ever approached by Vispilio for a deal of any kind, please read what he himself says in this thread—and then decline all contact with him as firmly and cleanly as practicable, for your own protection!

I will be red-tagging Vispilio again for this reason, with this post as the reference.  I suggest that others do the same.  I will further consider tagging some of his supporters on this thread, for the same reason.

When time permits, I will update my active Reputation thread about Vispilio (q.v.) with appropriate quotes and cross-references.


ChipMixer does not deserve this.

DarkStar_ does not deserve this.

They are both good, honest people.  A despicable cretin is opportunistically exploiting the moment of a scandal which does not involve them, and attempting to drag them as innocent bystanders into a crossfire with his own addition of smear-job accusations against them.  Said cretin’s transparently malicious motive:  Revenge for not being given a business deal.  The whole situation is not only wrong:  It is sick and sickening.

I say this as someone who has no interest in joining the paid ChipMixer signature ad campaign.  If DarkStar_ were to offer me a slot today, then I would politely decline it for the reason that I do not wish to take a paid signature at this time.  As I have stated before in public (and in private communications with several different campaign managers), I don’t absolutely promise that I will never take a paid signature—I am not rich; it would be imprudent of me to totally foreclose that opportunity.  But I am very reluctant to ever take a paid signature; and nothing will foreseeably change that.

I have nothing against good posters who take paid ads.  I thank DarkStar_ for running the ChipMixer campaign in a way that benefits the forum by paying top money for top quality—and I appreciate that ChipMixer is essentially funding good forum contributions as part of its advertising model.  I just want to avoid a paid ad myself; and besides, if I were to take a signature ad, then where would I put my beloved PGP identity-key fingerprint?


This space is reserved for any edits that in the future may be necessary to add information supporting my forthcoming new negative trust feedback on Vispilio.  If I substantively edit this post, then I will first archive it, and also add the archival link here for versioning purposes.

[marlboroza]

ChipMixer does not deserve this.

DarkStar_ does not deserve this.

They are both good, honest people.

Well said! I completely agree with you and everything in that post. They don't deserve this!

This topic is just disgusting. Vispilio should put himself on ignore.

[Vispilio]

Even going by the bare minimum statistics, Turkish boards should have already had at least 2 members representing Chipmixer, before Darkstar_ was begrudgingly convinced that it would be the "politically correct" strategic move to include one...

Sit back and relax and think for yourself, is it not excessive when there are users here wanting to have a dedicated board while we only have 20 local boards and one skandinavisk local board which includes users from Sweden, Norway and Denmark and we have 195 countries and here you are trolling about the unconstitutional selection procedure in a campaign that only one Turk is selected in the campaign  .
Chill out mate have fun once in a while rather than taking things personally  .

You must have a PhD in geography , but it goes a little bit deeper than that, of the 195 countries you mention, Turkish section ranks at number 3 and gaining fast on number 2 on local boards in hits and engagement,

and this despite the fact that most people access this forum via VPN in Turkei because it's banned by the primary Internet provider...

Imagine the level of crypto enthusiasm originating from Turkish sources then, and decide for yourself whether it's a good business decision to include some Turkish members on a mixer campaign,

so unlike what the experienced schemers will keep telling you, the rational move here is to question the judgement and motives of at least the campaign manager,

who, if I'm not mistaken, also wears the hat of forum treasurer, which poses a conflict of interest for a number of political reasons...  

[JollyGood]

He talks about an attack on almost everyone in the Turkish community when there is an improvement in such critical positions in the forum.

There's no coordinated attack in progress against the Turkish community--that's all in your head, sorry to say.  Nor is this some sort of case of racism/nationalism/whatever on the part of DarkStar_ or Chipmixer or anyone else.  The campaign is extremely competitive and there aren't that many slots.

Blue-blooded native English speakers get turned down from Chipmixer all the time.  It doesn't have anything to do with where you're from, because I can almost guarantee you DarkStar_ doesn't even know in most cases.  It all has to do with how good your post quality is and a secondary consideration is how trusted on the forum you are (as I understand it).  

This thread reeks of jealousy and playing the race card, even though there isn't exactly a specific race involved that I know of.

The number of users now accusing others of being racist or prejudice is astonishing. In recent times it stemmed from just two users that monopolised themselves as representatives of the Turkish language board when they had no such mandate.

Since then others have jumped on the bandwagon and say what they want, when they want - if they cannot get what they want.

This topic is black PR and defamation.

The main protagonists behind the negative PR should lower their heads in shame

Would it be racist if I suggested to Vispilio that it's time to unbunch her panties and lock the thread?

Username: Kalemder
Post Count: 2841
BTC Address (must be SegWit): bc1qg4n0vd9sl475xlrjwh6m9efd20a2rks7fye5fa

Accepted, please PM me once you change your signature. Thanks.

And her response is.......

[nullius]

Who is nullius?

Snip

who are you actually

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3009430.0

so what's the result? I can't translate that much text

The thread which suchmoon linked was started by my fans without my involvement.  From page 5 thereof, here is some fan art to answer your question:  I am a “WANTED” man, a “smartass, threatener, Bitcoin wizard, and politically incorrect Copper Member”.  Credit:  Regana.  Oh, and I have a “cult following”.

Put it on imgur and post the link...

Wise.

https://imgur.com/a/1CLXK

Let me tell you, doesn't have the same effect than a thumbnail, but should work  

Here you go, bud.

In the spirit of nullius having a cult following, I would've preferred the follow depicting the question mark ...

This topic is just disgusting.

Indeed.  That is why I put talk about myself up top here:  It’s wise to smile a bit before addressing Vispilio’s latest version of his crackpot argument.

Vispilio should put himself on ignore.

Perhaps he took your advice, but he still lack self-discipline?


Assuming the grounds of Vispilio’s latest post arguendo, just to save time quibbling over irrelevant bits of incorrectness:

Imagine the level of crypto enthusiasm originating from Turkish sources then, and decide for yourself whether it's a good business decision to include some Turkish members on a mixer campaign,

Boldface supplied.  Why, what an apparent change of tune from accusing DarkStar_ and/or ChipMixer of “racism” and demanding that theymos somehow dictate their business!

who, if I'm not mistaken, also wears the hat of forum treasurer, which poses a conflict of interest for a number of political reasons...

Or maybe not.  That is a paranoid ideation which makes no sense in the manner of, “It’s not right!  It’s not even wrong!”

Hahaha
your man yahoo left me unemployed

Yobit campaign was your only job?

I hear that there is this place called “Cryptotalk” which “pays for every post”.

...and I have a small conspiracy theory that it was founded by élite Bitcoin Forum members, for the purpose of protecting the Bitcoin Forum by siphoning off all the spammers.  It would work best if they “pay for every post” in Yodollars; do they?  I have not checked.

So, what do you say, wolwoo?  The Bitcoin Forum is not paying off for your quality of efforts; perhaps you and your friends should try “Cryptotalk” instead? ;-)

Figure out something else you're good at and make additional income from that. You will not get paid for posting on the forum. The only reason you got into Yobit campaign is because there was no application process. Any decent campaign that screens applicants won't accept you.

you cannot tell him where he should go seek his fortunes from, you are just a forum member here, not the de facto owner of Bitcointalk  

For my part, I can and will tell him whatever I please.

(And I was obviously working on the above before you posted.)

or at least that should and would  be the case if it wasn't for your army of vitriolic sockpuppets frothing over their rabid mouths to assassinate everyone who disagrees with you on this forum,

that's why admin and staff must stop you, and your conspiratorial close buddies, who keep coming back with alt-accounts even after theymos personally implores everyone to exclude them...

Look in the mirror.

Your Middle Eastern ancestors would spit on your face if they knew you would stoop to dishonorable lies

I would teach you a lesson that your ancestors would be proud of

I will teach you such a lesson.  And I will do it with the power of words.

[suchmoon]

you cannot tell him where he should go seek his fortunes from, you are just a forum member here, not the de facto owner of Bitcointalk  

It's called "advice", which he can (and will) ignore.

or at least that should and would  be the case if it wasn't for your army of vitriolic sockpuppets frothing over their rabid mouths to assassinate everyone who disagrees with you on this forum,

Which ones are my sockpuppets?

that's why admin and staff must stop you, and your conspiratorial close buddies, who keep coming back with alt-accounts even after theymos personally implores everyone to exclude them...

Maybe start by sending theymos a PM then. Creating a bunch of threads just makes it look like another cryptohunter infestation and probably hurts your chances of getting across whatever it is that you're trying to say.

[Vispilio]

...
Maybe start by sending theymos a PM then. Creating a bunch of threads just makes it look like another cryptohunter infestation and probably hurts your chances of getting across whatever it is that you're trying to say.

As hard as you might find it to believe, this thread has very little to do with you, the only relevant part being the completely irrational and bizarre influence you and your gang manage to exert on Chipmixer campaign's and Darkstar_'s decisions (particularly via your manipulative tactics in reputation),

it's because you feel compelled to involve yourself in every single decision or debate concerning this forum, naturally your name keeps coming up on many threads...

[suchmoon]

As hard as you might find it to believe, this thread has very little to do with you, the only relevant part being the completely irrational and bizarre influence you and your gang manage to exert on Chipmixer campaign's and Darkstar_'s decisions (particularly via your manipulative tactics in reputation),

it's because you feel compelled to involve yourself in every single decision or debate concerning this forum, naturally your name keeps coming up on many threads...

So... I don't need to be stopped then?

I love that it's my gang now. Cat's not gonna be happy. Do you know if I can use my bizarre influence (it's a Jedi thing BTW) to get DarkStar_ to raise my pay rate to 1 BTC per post?

[nullius]

I love that it's my gang now. Cat's not gonna be happy.

Get ready for your red trust!  Hiss!

....oh, fork, did I just inadvertently post this from my “nullius” account?

Do you know if I can use my bizarre influence (it's a Jedi thing BTW) to get DarkStar_ to raise my pay rate to 1 BTC per post?

QUOTED, as PROOF that the DT Chipmixer Mafia is only here for the lucrative bounties!  1 BTC per post, you demand!  The DT Chipmixer Mafia is just that greedy!

Now, can I exercise a Nullian Bitcoin Wizard trick to psychically insert into people’s minds the idea that it’s best to locally ignore Vispilio here for awhile?  So, he has a smear thread against good people, and other good people have told him that he’s wrong, and he can keep talking to himself here if he wants to produce of his combined more delusions of grandeur and delusions of persecution.  It gets boring after awhile.  Whereas for those who may want to talk to him, or better yet, talk about him, other threads are probably more appropriate unless someone has something very interesting to say which is specifically relevant to this thread.

Note loophole that applies to me, too.  Not to be interpreted liberally.

Just my two satoshis—and I can’t afford more, because Darkstar_ is getting his piece of my signature for free.  I’m not like you, suchmoon, with your 1 BTC per post price plus whatever sarcasm is paying you for covertly sarcastic operations.  Rich, spoiled mafia brat.

This topic is just disgusting.

[Vispilio]

deep DT voting power

I have no idea what Vispilio is talking about, I don't have any voting power. I asked to be blacklisted from DT long time ago and as I am aware I am still blacklisted. I literally asked forum members to exclude me. There are 2 of my threads mentioning this.

The reputations of the useful trolls used for hit jobs are quickly restored (sometimes even with "counter!" trust ratings in the silly games the Chipmixer mafia plays...)

I will always counter which I think is wrong -ve feedback, especially if it is wrong retaliatory feedback.

Another proof that the current Trust System is completely bugged and needs administrative intervention asap.

By your own admission, you should be blacklisted and your ratings should be ignored, and yet somehow you end up as arguably the most influential member on Default Trust feedback .

Your ban requests and non-trust related drama / intrigue driven feedback are everywhere, and even though all of your ban requests get ignored, your reputation remains unsullied, while everyone you allude to gets frivolous red ratings & exclusions by NPC smear trolls listening to the chants of the gang...

It's the complete 180° opposite of what a just and decentralized system should be. Under a mildly sane system, you should be the one with some red ratings and exclusions, especially after your frothy spiteful attempts to get about 20 members "PERMA BANNED" got completely rejected,


where are the consequences of amateur hitman marlboroza's endless assassination attempts ? (note: this side question is obviously directed at staff members)

[suchmoon]

It's the complete 180° opposite of what a fair and decentralized system should be. Under a mildly sane system, you should be the one with some red ratings and exclusions, especially after your frothy spiteful attempts to get about 20 members "PERMA BANNED" got completely rejected,

Uhm... You're in DT, why have you not red-trusted marlboroza for the frothy spiteful things?

where are the consequences of amateur hitman marlboroza's endless assassination attempts ? (note: this side question is obviously directed at staff members)

Which forum rule does this fall under?