Murat the worst campaign manager?

[Damnnnn]

DAVID CHAUM's XX Coin Signature Campaign prioritize shit poster and inactive participants over quality poster and active forum members.

see the spreadsheet yourself: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qniilytsO0r3383giue6XIw51V9S1zzSCKwJBefS_1g/edit#gid=0

Update -

* Campaign is closed for the new participants, Please check the spreadsheet.
* Please update your signature.
* Any questions or issues, please pm me.

Just an advise manager cause you have the final say but ever since I'm on this forum no campaign manager has ever accepted an account that is inactive for more than 7days, 4weeks which shows they only contribute to the forum because of the signature campaigns not to even mention not having the require 5merit.
This is injustice to the genuine user of this forum.


 Henmark
perfect999
stepwilli
Emitdama
starkovblue
Shallow
SirLancelot
funchiestz

I make a newbie account because I am not a fan of this kind of act. but, this is very unfair to all of the forum user.
Your thoughts about this kind of manager?

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[ChuckBuck]

First, I will not evaluate the criteria that a manager will choose someone. Next, there is no injustice here, managers have the right to choose those that they feel good.
In this case, we should discuss why those members are accepted, definitely, there is shady here.
There are a total of 11 pages of applications in the campaign    He can choose anyone better, who is always active. And now he accepts people who have been inactive for a long time. I wonder if there is any relationship between him and the people mentioned above?  Or they are his alt accounts  I think this should be investigated clearly, or at least he needs to explain 

[andulolika]

What the hell you expect when you get involved with shitcoins except of losing money and time?

Edit: why the hell you'd spam your name so much, that thing has no future and it looks for me he is promoting a shitcoin.

[Damnnnn]

First, I will not evaluate the criteria that a manager will choose someone. Next, there is no injustice here, managers have the right to choose those that they feel good.
In this case, we should discuss why those members are accepted, definitely, there is shady here.
There are a total of 11 pages of applications in the campaign    He can choose anyone better, who is always active. And now he accepts people who have been inactive for a long time. I wonder if there is any relationship between him and the people mentioned above?  Or they are his alt accounts  I think this should be investigated clearly, or at least he needs to explain 

I think it's clearly his alts. some of them apply on a lot of campaign and being accepted there even though their post history is filled with application.

You are right about the manager are free to choose what they feel is qualifying. So his preference is shitposter and inactive participants? This is so wrong for me, I see a lot of good poster there that is obviously more qualifying than those clowns.

[AmoreJaz]

First, I will not evaluate the criteria that a manager will choose someone. Next, there is no injustice here, managers have the right to choose those that they feel good.
In this case, we should discuss why those members are accepted, definitely, there is shady here.
There are a total of 11 pages of applications in the campaign    He can choose anyone better, who is always active. And now he accepts people who have been inactive for a long time. I wonder if there is any relationship between him and the people mentioned above?  Or they are his alt accounts  I think this should be investigated clearly, or at least he needs to explain 

I think it's clearly his alts. some of them apply on a lot of campaign and being accepted there even though their post history is filled with application.

You are right about the manager are free to choose what they feel is qualifying. So his preference is shitposter and inactive participants? This is so wrong for me, I see a lot of good poster there that is obviously more qualifying than those clowns.

it is his prerogative to choose whatever suits his standards. however, in doing so, it will build what kind of reputation he is as bounty manager. as he mentioned on his thread, you can pm him for any questions. so maybe, you can ask explanation from his side.
indeed, there are better and active posters that applied on that campaign but it is his campaign so he has the privilege to choose.
and if someone wants to investigate those users that got accepted, they are free to do so. anyway, this forum is open for those investigations.
just remember, in time, you will know what kind of bounty manager a user is and they will earn such respect from the community if they are being good about it!

[Bttzed03]

I checked the first three on the list and their posts weren't that bad as you claim. I'm not sure how others would see it though. Perhaps you could also tell us your real account for comparison. There is no denying that they were inactive for a month but that's probably not a very long time in the eyes of some managers.

If you are going to question the campaign manager's reputation, you should at least provide more evidence that he is the worst or that he's doing something wrong like accepting his relatives/friends/alts into the campaign. Take a good look at the case of CryptoMania Slots.  

If you're not willing to do the above, you should just move on and wait for another opening. Maybe in another campaign by Murat  

[YOSHIE]

DAVID CHAUM's XX Coin Signature Campaign prioritize shit poster and inactive participants over quality poster and active forum members.

There are song lyrics that read.

"Just let him choose between you and me".

OP, for me it's the right of managers who manage sig campaigns, they have full rights to accept good and bad members.
There is a risk, if you think the member received at sig is a spamer or Alt.

The important thing is, no, fraudulently accepting multi-account participants, not promoting fraudulent sites.

Despite all that, I think it's safe.
You are jealous of times, not accepted there, with the highest paid, joking.

Murat is the worst campaign manager! Maybe those accounts is his alts?

I think you accuse too quickly, without evidence. It's dangerous if it's not proven.

http://archive.is/wip/OeNmt

[Damnnnn]

I'm not jealous of not being accepted, I just posted this because, it's a very unfair situation and a not professional act by a Campaign manager.

Just an advise manager cause you have the final say but ever since I'm on this forum no campaign manager has ever accepted an account that is inactive for more than 7days, 4weeks which shows they only contribute to the forum because of the signature campaigns not to even mention not having the require 5merit.
This is injustice to the genuine user of this forum.


 Henmark
perfect999
stepwilli
Emitdama
starkovblue
Shallow
SirLancelot
funchiestz

Thanks for pointing these, these users are removed from the campaign. I will fill these spots next week.

This is his latest post, see how unprofessional he is? if no one pointed that out he will not remove those shitposter/inactive user.

You guys saying that it's fair because, it's normal user VS campaign manager. But if someone famous user pointed this is out you will be in favor on them.

It's done so I think I will lock this topic. Opening it and welcoming other member's thoughts

[pilosopotasyo]

Why not Yahoo or Hhampuz these are the most reasonable campaign manager on this forum to handle this kind of campaign, it's good that this issue is brought so, in the future, developers will know who qualifies and who is not, for me he is a worst because he is not picking the right candidate well it is his prerogative but this thread is a reference for the kind of character he is.

[yahoo62278]

Users have already told you it is the managers right to choose whom he wants to add in the campaign.

Obviously the more active a user is, the better he would be for a campaign and a company. Hiring inactive users is generally not a great idea at all. I won't speculate that that means it is his alts or anything. I would just advise all managers to look at user activity and post quality when choosing participants.

If you have proof he is enrolling alts, that would be a different story altogether. Without proof you probably shouldn't post speculation, defamation isn't really fair to the manager.

[Questat]

Murat had already remove those participants who are in question, but him as a manager has a discretion on what to do with his campaign as he is the only one liable to the advertisers since they are the ones communicating. Maybe it looks bad because some does not have the merit required but is still accepted, but he can always change the rules if he likes, but then, the decision has been made to remove, I think there's nothing to discuss here.

If he is the worst campaign manager or not? that depends how individual sees it, but if I am one the participants, I would not question the decision of the manager, instead I'll respect it regardless on how he chooses people he likes to work with.

[Gyfts]

All it really takes is one badly run campaign for future projects not to hire him. With this thread up, I highly doubt he'll be an active manager. Granted he hired shitposters, it may be an indication of poor judgement due to inexperience rather than him enrolling his alt accounts.

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All it really takes is one badly run campaign for future projects not to hire him. With this thread up, I highly doubt he'll be an active manager. Granted he hired shitposters, it may be an indication of poor judgement due to inexperience rather than him enrolling his alt accounts.

He's not exactly a new manager. His old username is iwantapony, he was granted a name change by theymos.

Adding campaigns previously managed by him

Though it's not my only few signature campaigns -

Tenx.tech - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1965156.0
TokenCard  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1891041.0
Dao.casino - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1962297.0
Swc Poker - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106896.0
GCC - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3201859.0

I looked through a few of these campaigns and it seems Murat doesn't publicly state who is accepted in the campaign which makes me realize now how important it is for transparency. Looks like every manager's current bounty thread has public acceptance of applications but that's a side discussion. He's managed a total of 6 campaigns of relatively low activity in the past ~3 years so he isn't necessarily a well seasoned manager nor inexperienced. The users listed in OP seem like they have a bit below average posting quality for me to give him the benefit of the doubt of being a shitty manager that probably won't get hired again.

[yahoo62278]

Why not Yahoo or Hhampuz these are the most reasonable campaign manager on this forum to handle this kind of campaign, it's good that this issue is brought so, in the future, developers will know who qualifies and who is not, for me he is a worst because he is not picking the right candidate well it is his prerogative but this thread is a reference for the kind of character he is.

Many factors come into play when companies select a manager. Cost is a big factor for some companies. Some managers offer to manager for a weekly rate, some offer to work for a % of what a company spends weekly, and some(although I wouldn't recommend) offer to work free.

Companies also look for a manager via by whom they were referred to. This is where most of my work comes from. You also have managers who message every company out there offering their services(which by my understanding is not allowed). If companies report the pm to the moderators a manager can find themselves banned. I don't know who does or does not do this but I'm positive it is done.

All it really takes is one badly run campaign for future projects not to hire him. With this thread up, I highly doubt he'll be an active manager. Granted he hired shitposters, it may be an indication of poor judgement due to inexperience rather than him enrolling his alt accounts.

He's not exactly a new manager. His old username is iwantapony, he was granted a name change by theymos.

[Bttzed03]

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All it really takes is one badly run campaign for future projects not to hire him. With this thread up, I highly doubt he'll be an active manager. Granted he hired shitposters, it may be an indication of poor judgement due to inexperience rather than him enrolling his alt accounts.

He's not exactly a new manager. His old username is iwantapony, he was granted a name change by theymos.

Adding campaigns previously managed by him

Though it's not my only few signature campaigns -

Tenx.tech - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1965156.0
TokenCard  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1891041.0
Dao.casino - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1962297.0
Swc Poker - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106896.0
GCC - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3201859.0

[ShowOff]

I have sent a aplication in this campaign thread and until now it has not been accepted and is still awaiting a decision. I think the manager has the right to choose who will be hired to promote the campaign that is managed by him and that is the managers prerogative.

However, as an IMO manager who has a good reputation managing the campaign, the manager must select participants and hire them in campaigns that have good qualifications based on contributions, quality of posts so that it will have a positive effect on the forum, campaign and the manager itself.

I realize that before I was a regular poster and many of my posts were considered spam, many of which were deleted by moderators. I am tired of working with the gift of altcoin, which in the end is shitcoin which continues to make me waste my time and effort. But I still have a chance to improve everything and my desire to improve this quality is supported by community members, especially in my local board.

While I applied to several previous campaigns and I was not accepted because maybe the manager had his own judgment and other reasons so I couldnt be discouraged because of that. When that happens I have to try again and not give up and try again at another opportunity and I am sure one day I will get that opportunity.

Therefore, I think the problem that is being experienced by the manager hopefully can be resolved properly and the campaign will continue as expected.

[martyMC]

No, Bounty Managers have not the right to choose whoever they want!

There are rules. If a participant doesn't respect the rules he isn't paid for his work and he is removed. So it's a contract.
If the BM doesn't respect his contract he isn't trustable and should be red trusted by the community.

Moreover Murat is scamming DAVID CHAUM by enrolling these multi-accounts under 5 merits and inactive. I think many of them had been banned by Yahoo during the Cryptotalk campaign.
So yes I think this Murat is the worst and the shaddiest BM of BTT. He shouldn't manage any campaign anymore. He's not trustable.

[YOSHIE]

The intended participant has now been removed from the sig campaign.

Thanks for pointing these, these users are removed from the campaign. I will fill these spots next week.

Henmark
perfect999
stepwilli
Emitdama
starkovblue
Shallow
SirLancelot
funchiestz

And this is the participant currently accepted.



spreadsheets

@iwantapony or now @Murat, now open again for new participants, who have good quality.

Sig campaign: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221791.0

I thought @Murat was a bit rash in accepting participants in this campaign, so this topic was created by @Damnnn.

In my opinion, @Murat is quite good at managing campaigns so far.

maybe now the manager @Murat, should really choose the right participants, to promote his campaign.
For the sake of fairness, no, there are negative suspicions arising by other participants.

[ShowOff]

No, Bounty Managers have not the right to choose whoever they want!

As far as its not a spamer, shitpost, alt account then I dont think that is a problem.

Hiring poor quality participants will only discredit the manager and damage his reputation. So I think if the manager wants to maintain or enhance his reputation in campaign management then he must choose the best participant among the best.

As far as I know, Yahoo and Hhampuz and Darkstar_ as well as several others are part of good managers, and it is appropriate for other managers to follow or guide them in terms of good campaign management. In this case I am not saying that Murat is not good, but as a manager he also has a good reputation so far.

There are rules. If a participant doesn't respect the rules he isn't paid for his work and he is removed. So it's a contract.

Yes, that is part of the rules of the campaign and the rights of managers and we have heard it often.

Moreover Murat is scamming DAVID CHAUM by enrolling these multi-accounts under 5 merits and inactive. I think many of them had been banned by Yahoo during the Cryptotalk campaign.

This is still considered an opinion because so far there has not been concrete evidence that the manager has cheated. And I would also say that Murat cheated if there was sufficient clear evidence from further investigation.

[ChuckBuck]

Obviously the more active a user is, the better he would be for a campaign and a company. Hiring inactive users is generally not a great idea at all. I won't speculate that that means it is his alts or anything. I would just advise all managers to look at user activity and post quality when choosing participants.

Obviously, I think this is a lack of professionalism in his work  It seems he only considered the length of the posts rather than the quality of it. As we know, quality does not lie in its length but in its content. And looking through the accepted members, clearly he prioritizes the length. He doesn't even look at the time the posts was made or the uptime of the user  As a result, there is a large number of unworthy participants and this topic appears here

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I wonder if there is any relationship between him and the people mentioned above?   Or they are his alt accounts  

That's the first thing that came to my mind, but unless there's solid proof I would personally refrain from making accusations against him.  And when inactive accounts start applying for signature campaigns, you pretty much know they're alts of somebody.  That doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be shitposters, because there are good posters here who have multiple accounts, some of which we likely don't even know about.

OP, what's your motivation with this thread?  Did you not get accepted or something?  Because I don't see this as any great injustice, not to the forum and not to the applicants.  Having said that, if it were shown that Murat has a relationship to any of the accepted members' accounts, that would be different.  Until then it's kind of a non-issue.

It seems he only considered the length of the posts rather than the quality of it.

I haven't looked at any of the applicants' posts, but if what you say is true then he might suck as a campaign manager--but I would still maintain that no injustice has been done to anyone.  This wouldn't be the first time a campaign manager has chosen shitposters for his campaign.