Don't you guys think it's time for LN to have it's own (sub)section now?

[pooya87]

As far as I see, all people involved in this topic agreed on the necessity of such board. What is needed to have it (to convince theymos)?

Theymos has his own vision so something like this to happen, we need really to convince him that is the best for us and the forum and won't cause any problems for thme newbies. I've seen this before in another cases.

I already can point out the mod for the section - BitCryptex if he agrees of course

the only way to convince him to add a new board is to show that there are a lot of new topics in another board that are are for example pushing the discussions that are related to that board down.
for example right now there are 6 LN topics in last 5 pages of Development & Technical Discussion board (6 out of 200).
3 out of 200 in beginners and help board's last 5 pages.
2 out of 200 in bitcoin discussion board's last 5 pages.
2 out of 200 in Bitcoin Technical Support board's last 5 pages.

i don't think these stats warrant a new board.

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[Kuffy]

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It shows that there is interest in the topic, and it is spread across several boards at a variety of levels. I believe that there will be more posts about Lightning, and associated projects, if they had their own home, and I would probably be one. In my opinion, Lightning is an important project for the unbanked, and others seeking an alternative to cash. It offers them a way to build a small savings account that is free from the fiat system

[Timelord2o67]

There's four lightning network threads in the lending section too.

[Kuffy]

Perhaps if there was a Lightning board, then we could persuade someone from lightning to post on it. After all, some guy called Satoshi Nakamoto used to post here, and wasn't he something to do with Bitcoin in its early days?

[Rath_]

The number on some board is small because most LN question/topic happened on one megathread, The Lightning Network FAQ.

Exactly this. The twelfth page of the FAQ thread is a good example of that. Most of the questions asked there could be divided into separate threads.

I already can point out the mod for the section - BitCryptex if he agrees of course

Sure.

[TheBeardedBaby]

The number on some board is small because most LN question/topic happened on one megathread, The Lightning Network FAQ.

Exactly this. The twelfth page of the FAQ thread is a good example of that. Most of the questions asked there could be divided into separate threads.

I already can point out the mod for the section - BitCryptex if he agrees of course

Sure.

Great, I hope this will be a good example why we need a separate section, but as i said before is not needed to be a  designated section only for Lighting Network it can cover the other Layer 2 Protocols.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Bump!

[DooMAD]

Bump acknowledged.  I'm still sympathetic to the idea, but I think now isn't the right time.  A few thoughts come to mind as to why.  To get the aforementioned out of the way, as others have already commented, there may not be enough content to warrant a separate board yet.  

Beyond that, my primary concern is that, while many of us may be eager to see increased Lightning adoption, it's also not something that should be rushed.  I wouldn't want people to come away with the impression that just because it has it's own subforum that somehow means it's "production ready" and all set to go for mainstream adoption.  People could conceivably treat it like an official endorsement or seal of approval that the floodgates are open for the masses.  It might sound silly, but I feel like people often forget that Bitcoin itself is still, in fact, beta software.  

Lastly, the Development & Technical sub has a more strict policy on trolls than other parts of the board and it's fair to say that topics about LN always seem to attract "the usual suspects" who like to either derail the topic or fill it with FUD, so I'd rather see LN discussed there, where such behaviour isn't tolerated (inb4 oMg cEnSoRsHiPs!).

Personally, I'd say give it another year or so.  There's no doubt in my mind we'll have such a section at some point, but not quite yet.

[Rath_]

Personally, I'd say give it another year or so.  There's no doubt in my mind we'll have such a section at some point, but not quite yet.

Bump.

Beyond that, my primary concern is that, while many of us may be eager to see increased Lightning adoption, it's also not something that should be rushed.  I wouldn't want people to come away with the impression that just because it has it's own subforum that somehow means it's "production ready" and all set to go for mainstream adoption.  People could conceivably treat it like an official endorsement or seal of approval that the floodgates are open for the masses.

In the past year, a few user-friendly Lightning wallets, like BlueWallet, Strike and Phoenix Wallet, emerged and have been since then improved. The first two require hardly any extra knowledge from the user who doesn't even need to manage their own channels. Both Kraken and OKEx announced they they are going to introduce Lightning deposits/withdrawals this year. This might give the mainstream adoption a push.

It looks like the activity in "The Lightning Network FAQ" thread, which is often used to ask various LN related questions, has slightly decreased recently, but it seems that the LN is more and more often brought up across different boards.

[Timelord2067]

I guess it's my turn to bump this thread - there's a core group in the Forum that are advocates of the Bitcoin Lightning Network and have been asked from time to time why our various threads are in this or that thread ...

So, as the title of this thread asks:

Don't you guys think it's time for LN to have it's own (sub)section now?

[DooMAD]

Don't you guys think it's time for LN to have it's own (sub)section now?

I still think 90% of the posts will be from "Mr Millisats" himself, but if you want to contend with that freakshow, then on your head be it. 

[Rath_]

I still think 90% of the posts will be from "Mr Millisats" himself, but if you want to contend with that freakshow, then on your head be it. 

franky1 already got banned from the "Development & Technical Discussion" section, so I guess it would be only a matter of time in the Lightning/2nd layer board.

[Quickseller]

The number on some board is small because most LN question/topic happened on one megathread, The Lightning Network FAQ.

I think this is a very valid point.

Traditionally, the need for a new sub is measured by how many threads on a topic are on the first few pages in their existing sub. A better measure might be similar to when a new local sub is created when the one megathread for the local community gets too big.

The LN megathread is currently 37 pages, and it appears that posts tend to occur there in bursts. I would ask if it is common for posts to get "lost" that might otherwise get responded to because there are too many other posts?

[DaveF]

Was for it over a year ago, still think it's a good idea now.
There is a large amount of LN discussion elsewhere on the internet, but here it's just in a few threads.
With a dedicated sub section I really think that it will have a lot more activity.

-Dave

[NotATether]

Was for it over a year ago, still think it's a good idea now.
There is a large amount of LN discussion elsewhere on the internet, but here it's just in a few threads.
With a dedicated sub section I really think that it will have a lot more activity.

-Dave

Getting more activity depends on more people asking questions about it, and so far we are not seeing that.

mprep already said he's not going to add another section unless their topics fill most of the page of a board. I can count the number of LN topics on page 1 of Dev&Tech board on one hand.

[decodx]

Was for it over a year ago, still think it's a good idea now.
There is a large amount of LN discussion elsewhere on the internet, but here it's just in a few threads.
With a dedicated sub section I really think that it will have a lot more activity.

-Dave

Getting more activity depends on more people asking questions about it, and so far we are not seeing that.

mprep already said he's not going to add another section unless their topics fill most of the page of a board. I can count the number of LN topics on page 1 of Dev&Tech board on one hand.

But still, it still surprises me how few people know about LN in general. When I mention it in an unrelated conversation, some ask if it's some kind of alt currency while others think it's an unofficial bitcoin fork.

I believe that a dedicated LN subsection would greatly contribute to a better understanding of LN protocol.

[darkv0rt3x]

Hello.

Obviously that, with the increasing demand for knowledge and people using LN, and also Liquid (not me though), I think it makes all sense to have a dedicated forum (or sub-forum) for 2-layer solutions. And then maybe, do something like there is for bitcoin. A technical child, a projects child, etc etc.

I think there is plenty material, for 2-layer solutions, to have their own forum.

Also, it would make it better for searches and for narrowing the places where you need to search.

So, yes, it makes all sense, IMO, to have a dedicated area for 2-layer solutions.

[OgNasty]

So, yes, it makes all sense, IMO, to have a dedicated area for 2-layer solutions.

I would agree.  It should be for all 2-layer solutions though.  I don't like this idea that Lightning is somehow special and more deserving than any other scaling solution put forth by anyone else.  It should be grouped in with similar projects and not viewed as an extension of Bitcoin that is somehow more special because of what team is behind it.

[NotATether]

But still, it still surprises me how few people know about LN in general. When I mention it in an unrelated conversation, some ask if it's some kind of alt currency while others think it's an unofficial bitcoin fork.

I believe that a dedicated LN subsection would greatly contribute to a better understanding of LN protocol.

Putting it on Bitcoin Wiki better suits that objective.

[Rath_]

I would ask if it is common for posts to get "lost" that might otherwise get responded to because there are too many other posts?

I guess it happened a few times, but I think it's more common for the LN related threads to be scattered across various boards. Here's a list that I put together:

2021
Bitcoin Discussion: 1, 2, 3, 4
Development & Technical Discussion: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Wallet Software: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Electrum: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
Bitcoin Technical Support: 1, 2, 3
Beginners & Help: 1

2020
Bitcoin Discussion: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
Development & Technical Discussion: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Electrum: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Wallet Software: 1, 2, 3
Bitcoin Technical Support: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Beginners & Help: 1, 2, 3
Altcoin Discussion: 1

What about the Mycelium section then? There doesn't seem to be much activity and yet it exists. Was there any particular reason why it was created?