[DOTA 2] ESL One Los Angeles 2020 MAJOR ONLINE TOURNAMENT [ENDED]

[GreatArkansas]

ESL One Los Angeles 2020 ONLINE TOURNAMENT is the third major for 2019 - 2020 of Dota Pro Circuit season by Valve.

Location: United States Los Angeles
Venue: Shrine Auditorium
Dates: Mar 15 - 22, 2020 POSTPONED ONLINE TOURNAMENT
Teams: 16
Format: Group Stage, GSL Format, Playoffs
Double Elimination
Prize pool: $1,000,000 USD and 15,000 Pro Circuit Points.
I love this tournament because of no Direct Invite, all will go to qualifiers and be a champion on a minor.
Qualifiers for every regions already started with lot of new teams popping. Some high tier teams just falling with new team in qualifiers.

Bring it on, what team you rooting for?


Sportsbook available:
A. https://sportsbet.io/sports/dota-2/matches/
B. https://stake.com/sports/dota-2/featured

For more info for the tournament visit:
a. https://www.esl-one.com/dota2/los-angeles/qualifier/
b. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/ESL_One/Los_Angeles/2020

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[turkandjaydee]

I love this tournament because of no Direct Invite, all will go to qualifiers and be a champion on a minor.
Qualifiers for every regions already started with lot of new teams popping. Some high tier teams just falling with new team in qualifiers.

This qualification method has been tried in one of the previous major and there was an interview to take some feedbacks about this method. Some team/people give positive feedbacks but there are some who also give negative feedback. But if I remember correctly, there are more positive feedbacks than negative feedbacks.

Bring it on, what team you rooting for?

I just watched some of the EU Qualifier matches yesterday. So I think, Team Secret and OG are the strongest candidates here (even for the main tournament). And they will definitely qualified for the main tournament.

Also, seeing Team Secret beating Nigma and OG beating EG is an emotional pleasure (if you know what I mean  ).

[passwordnow]

The closed qualifier now for each region is intense and mostly on the Europe qualifiers. The teams that are aiming to get to the top 3 are most tier 1 teams so I think before looking to the majors, let's look to the qualifiers and the Starladder minor.
But I think I really like OG now, obviously, the past roster is the best and their chemistry as a team is incomparable to the current but rooting for them to this major.

[Ailmand]

The closed qualifier now for each region is intense and mostly on the Europe qualifiers. The teams that are aiming to get to the top 3 are most tier 1 teams so I think before looking to the majors, let's look to the qualifiers and the Starladder minor.
But I think I really like OG now, obviously, the past roster is the best and their chemistry as a team is incomparable to the current but rooting for them to this major.

I really like the new OG roster having mid-one, sumail and saksa on the team. I have watched one of their fight against the alliance.  I would say their new team has a lot to work on in terms of synergy since they are palying with a new set of team. Anna an jerax will surely be missed with all the signature plays they have made in previous TI's and majors. Still rooting for this team.

[passwordnow]

The closed qualifier now for each region is intense and mostly on the Europe qualifiers. The teams that are aiming to get to the top 3 are most tier 1 teams so I think before looking to the majors, let's look to the qualifiers and the Starladder minor.
But I think I really like OG now, obviously, the past roster is the best and their chemistry as a team is incomparable to the current but rooting for them to this major.

I really like the new OG roster having mid-one, sumail and saksa on the team. I have watched one of their fight against the alliance.  I would say their new team has a lot to work on in terms of synergy since they are palying with a new set of team. Anna an jerax will surely be missed with all the signature plays they have made in previous TI's and majors. Still rooting for this team.

I thought that they will struggle with this first ever major qualifier that they join. But look at the standing, they are usual the favorites of this region now. On the group B, they are at the top without any loss.
And how I wish that they will be able to maintain the standings up to the end of this quals. I can't wait for the playoffs to come in and it's lovely to watch all the regions out there.

[amishmanish]

I was asking around for something like this with betting on online games. It'd be a good side distraction to follow the DoTA championships and have the option to bet with crypto. The fascination for me in esports is mainly due to the wide difference it has compared to countries like India etc.
The culture of Esports having the potential to be a career opportunity is something that doesn't find much resonance in my society even though I know it is something that a lot of people would love to do. Following the journeys of the "stars" of these esports is as fascinating as the game itself.

[GreatArkansas]

I love this tournament because of no Direct Invite, all will go to qualifiers and be a champion on a minor.
Qualifiers for every regions already started with lot of new teams popping. Some high tier teams just falling with new team in qualifiers.

(...)
Some team/people give positive feedbacks but there are some who also give negative feedback. But if I remember correctly, there are more positive feedbacks than negative feedbacks.

Yeah, it's totally good for everyone. And that will also give some teams a chance, especially those non-pro players or just started to the tournament, it's good to help your performance, fighting on some pro/tier teams, what an experience of that. As I recalled, on some match of OG, first game of MidOne on OG was bloody, he got first blood by Guardian rank  .

Bring it on, what team you rooting for?

Also, seeing Team Secret beating Nigma and OG beating EG is an emotional pleasure (if you know what I mean  ).

Top 10 anime betrayal, eh?  

Good to see some unpredictable matches, yet I am still not trying to bet on some qualifiers match, kinda scary af!

The closed qualifier now for each region is intense and mostly on the Europe qualifiers. The teams that are aiming to get to the top 3 are most tier 1 teams so I think before looking to the majors, let's look to the qualifiers and the Starladder minor.
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Yep, exactly, high tier teams are mostly on Europe, especially The International champions, and OG + OG.Seed combination, kinda scary teams and Team Secret too, the recent major champion.

I was asking around for something like this with betting on online games. It'd be a good side distraction to follow the DoTA championships and have the option to bet with crypto. The fascination for me in esports is mainly due to the wide difference it has compared to countries like India etc.
The culture of Esports having the potential to be a career opportunity is something that doesn't find much resonance in my society even though I know it is something that a lot of people would love to do. Following the journeys of the "stars" of these esports is as fascinating as the game itself.

Just consider eSports as Sports, we are now in 2020, as we can see, eSports are hell yeah evolving. Look at now, large prize pools.
And just recently in Southeast Asian Games, some eSports games had a gold medal. In terms of career opportunity, you can still have them, I am excited how eSports will grow in the upcoming years.

[turkandjaydee]

I thought that they will struggle with this first ever major qualifier that they join.

The thing is Sumail and Midone are one of the best players in the world. Especially Sumail has been practicing playing pos 1 since a few months ago.

Also, Notail and Ceb are great analysts and drafters. They can complete everything needed by great players. I think they are the most contributors to OG for winning TI 2 times since we know that the drafting phase and gameplay strategy are very important in a Dota 2 match.

But I'm wondering what will happen if Ana becomes active again in the team. Whether Sumail will leave the team or there will be a role change.

Top 10 anime betrayal, eh?  

Plus its also about Sumail leaving EG and joining OG actually  

Good to see some unpredictable matches, yet I am still not trying to bet on some qualifiers match, kinda scary af!

I still make a bet on the qualifier but not the first matches. There is momentum in the qualification stage which we can sometimes rely on.

[JanpriX]

Kudos to OP for putting this tournament and DotA Esports into the eyes of the forum users. Can't believe that there are a lot of people who are involved in Esports and are also lurkers here at the forum.

Based on the performance that I saw yesterday, I'd root for Team Secret and OG. No explanation needed for Team Secret as they won the last major that they attended. As for OG, I realy like the members of its newly formed team. The only concern that I have for them is how well they will mesh in the later part of the tournament.

[ryzaadit]

However, I love this kind of tournament without doing a direct invite for some team. Make more team have a chance to get the slot not just a popular team, one of example the first OG Match went they meet a Herald, Guardian & Legend team. That's team can make the first blood against "MidOne" and we have good memes because of that LOL~.

The thing is Sumail and Midone are one of the best players in the world. Especially Sumail has been practicing playing pos 1 since a few months ago.

I would agree for "Sumail" but for "MidOne" he can't really handle the lane against "Sumail" at TI9.

OG taking this player was really a mistake because Sumail & MidOne was really preferred playing at Mid, I know both of them can play their role must play at OG team. But to be honest since topson still on the team, feel like take this 2 player was not really suitable for the role both of them.

[DoublerHunter]

Look at that prize pool! eSports really is becoming a thing. I guess this set-up is not bad. Just for anyone to know, the reason why the tournament was created is to advertise and market the game. So the players must at least experience a glimpse of tournaments and their emotions must be taken to the game so DOTA will make it to the top. Even the experience playing with the top players is enough to satisfy the players and motivate them to their best, as well. Nevertheless, I hope LOL would also increase its prize pool as high as DOTA. Thank you for knowing us here about this tournament.

[carlfebz2]

I love this tournament because of no Direct Invite, all will go to qualifiers and be a champion on a minor.
Qualifiers for every regions already started with lot of new teams popping. Some high tier teams just falling with new team in qualifiers.

This is what im looking for which there would be no direct invites because it is somewhat boring if we do see common teams like Liquid,VP,EG,OG etc.
Best to look for those newly build up teams which do have veteran players transferred from older teams.Cant wait to see for qualifiers on this one.

Look at that prize pool! eSports really is becoming a thing. I guess this set-up is not bad. Just for anyone to know, the reason why the tournament was created is to advertise and market the game. So the players must at least experience a glimpse of tournaments and their emotions must be taken to the game so DOTA will make it to the top. Even the experience playing with the top players is enough to satisfy the players and motivate them to their best, as well. Nevertheless, I hope LOL would also increase its prize pool as high as DOTA. Thank you for knowing us here about this tournament.

It might sound harsh but LOL wont able to reach up Dota2 prizepool in the history of e-sports.

[livingfree]

Look at that prize pool! eSports really is becoming a thing. I guess this set-up is not bad. Just for anyone to know, the reason why the tournament was created is to advertise and market the game. So the players must at least experience a glimpse of tournaments and their emotions must be taken to the game so DOTA will make it to the top. Even the experience playing with the top players is enough to satisfy the players and motivate them to their best, as well. Nevertheless, I hope LOL would also increase its prize pool as high as DOTA. Thank you for knowing us here about this tournament.

Majors does have an allocation of $1M most of the time while the minors has an allocation of $300,000 for the prize pool.

While the International which is the main tournament of Dota 2, depends on the sales that Valve dedicates for the prize pool and base on its history, every year is surpassing the last year's prize pool.

[boltz]

After what I have saw in Berlin recently and International last year I think Secret and OG have the best chances to win at LA 2020 Major. I also like EG with Ramsez666 integrated as he provides a lot of extra utility and diversity and EG kinda needed that and I'm glad he went up to a better team than VP who is having hard times in DOTA. Still my favorite Dota team is still SECRET and I like Nisha a lot , he's the best dps in the league in my opinion.

[Ailmand]

Also, Notail and Ceb are great analysts and drafters. They can complete everything needed by great players. I think they are the most contributors to OG for winning TI 2 times since we know that the drafting phase and gameplay strategy are very important in a Dota 2 match.

Great players with a trashy draft will lead to miserable plays. I admire Notail's draft and decision making during the game, I mean he is a huge play maker, which I think made their synergy stronger in the past TI's.

I would agree for "Sumail" but for "MidOne" he can't really handle the lane against "Sumail" at TI9.

It doesn't matter which is which, having them both play together in a team brings bigger potential to the team. Midone played well as POS3. However, I find Saksa a little bit off position in some clash compared how Jerax pokes in and out during clash on team fights. But still a great team.

[livingfree]

After what I have saw in Berlin recently and International last year I think Secret and OG have the best chances to win at LA 2020 Major. I also like EG with Ramsez666 integrated as he provides a lot of extra utility and diversity and EG kinda needed that and I'm glad he went up to a better team than VP who is having hard times in DOTA. Still my favorite Dota team is still SECRET and I like Nisha a lot , he's the best dps in the league in my opinion.

Secret is stronger now with the addition of Matumbaman. I'm not saying that they were weaker before with MidOne but I think the impact is better in Secret while in OG, since we know that they were already a strong team with the past roster.

But with the addition of Sumail and MidOne, I think they really made it well with the connection. So, the change of roster for both teams resulted into a good chemistry so they benefited from these changes.

[GreatArkansas]

Very sad to hear on the recent match in SEA Qualifiers for ESL One Los Angeles 2020 Major;
Lowkey vs Cignal Ultra - Match here: https://www.trackdota.com/matches/5237142517

Suddenly, team Lowkey got an internet connection problem, and they are 10k gold ahead advantage in 28 minutes mark of the game.
Team Cignal Ultra wait for them to reconnect but after some given minutes, the game resumed.
It's really sad for team Lowkey, they lost because of some technical issues like internet connection in the Philippines.

P.S. This tragedy also happened to Team Cignal Ultra before against TNC.Predator and I think before, Team Cgnal Ultra also already dominates the game before the tragedy happened. I think, some payback, lol. But remember, there are rules about this, so it's okay to resume the game after some minutes given.
Link of the screenshot/replay in youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbHg2eQ0-3I

[amishmanish]

P.S. This tragedy also happened to Team Cignal Ultra before against TNC.Predator and I think before, Team Cgnal Ultra also already dominates the game before the tragedy happened. I think, some payback, lol. But remember, there are rules about this, so it's okay to resume the game after some minutes given.
Link of the screenshot/replay in youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbHg2eQ0-3I

That sucks.

I have never seen what happens to these competitive matches if such a signal disconnection occurs. Ideally, the match should be replayed or in effect cancelled, like a washed-out game of football.
Just getting finished at the workplace and will go back to see if i can catch a few games on Dota TV. Are you going to update the OP image with the teams?

[turkandjaydee]

-snip-

This also happens to Adroit when facing TNC. I also feel bad for them.

News : https://m.vpgame.com/news/article/310318

This is something that makes player feel more disappointed than just losing fairly.

[shoreno]

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Majors does have an allocation of $1M most of the time while the minors has an allocation of $300,000 for the prize pool.

While the International which is the main tournament of Dota 2, depends on the sales that Valve dedicates for the prize pool and base on its history, every year is surpassing the last year's prize pool.

damn thats alot of cash out there for just a video game only , this prizes was more or a bit closer to the sports and other real life events  .

  i thought esports arent popular enough  ? becauase look at them , many gambling sites still doesnt support them  . they dont support dota 2 betting   . are they under estimating these kind of games/betting ?    . but its not surprising that the prize is big because the cosmetics that they sell were also expensive  .

[amishmanish]

damn thats alot of cash out there for just a video game only , this prizes was more or a bit closer to the sports and other real life events  .

  i thought esports arent popular enough  ? becauase look at them , many gambling sites still doesnt support them  . they dont support dota 2 betting   . are they under estimating these kind of games/betting ?    . but its not surprising that the prize is big because the cosmetics that they sell were also expensive  .

That is just one of the tournaments. The Dota Pro Circuit international called as The International or simply TI had a prize pool of 34 Million USD in 2019. That truly is some insane amount of money to imagine being won in a PC game for those who don't know about this..but like Celine Dion would say..Thats the way it is..

In other news Fnatic and GeekFam are the two teams that have qualified for the ESL one LA 2020. 14 more to go. Team Secret just beat down NiP (Ninjas in Pyjamas) in typical boss fashion.

[dothebeats]

Would love to see the roster change on LGD into play, and also OG to see whether the chemistry between Sumail, Midone and Topson is already in the right mix. I don't have a doubt with their individual skillset, but knowing the positions they played for in their previous teams as a mid laner, we will see how one and the other adjusts. So far Sumail is doing some good dota in his role but for Midone? Not really. EG is also a good team with Ramzes. Just hope that he don't get cocky early on in the game that usually costed VP their games on their previous tourneys.

[turkandjaydee]

Does anyone also feel that Nigma is not qualified for this Major on purpose? I mean they want to be qualified by winning the Minor.

This has also happened before in the Leipzig Major. Nigma didn't qualified to Leipzig Major directly, but they went to Bukovel Minor and won.
I had predicted this before and I think it will happen again.

It seems they want to win more tournaments and get more money.

[carlfebz2]

Would love to see the roster change on LGD into play, and also OG to see whether the chemistry between Sumail, Midone and Topson is already in the right mix. I don't have a doubt with their individual skillset, but knowing the positions they played for in their previous teams as a mid laner, we will see how one and the other adjusts. So far Sumail is doing some good dota in his role but for Midone? Not really. EG is also a good team with Ramzes. Just hope that he don't get cocky early on in the game that usually costed VP their games on their previous tourneys.

The right role of RAMZES should really be pos1 yet this had been his role in VP and i do see he is much better than Arteezy but well you cant stop on what the management would set it out.
About OGs chemistry i can really see that this would still takes time for this matter yet we know these midlaners players wont easily get used to another position or role as said
theyre capable when it comes to skills but changing lane or hero would really make some effects.

[passwordnow]

The closed qualifier now for each region is intense and mostly on the Europe qualifiers. The teams that are aiming to get to the top 3 are most tier 1 teams so I think before looking to the majors, let's look to the qualifiers and the Starladder minor.
(....)

Yep, exactly, high tier teams are mostly on Europe, especially The International champions, and OG + OG.Seed combination, kinda scary teams and Team Secret too, the recent major champion.

I'm not impressed with the OG.Seed, I think their team is just for securing slot on TI because only one team from the same organization will be qualified if ever both of the OG teams will qualify for the next TI.

I thought that they will struggle with this first ever major qualifier that they join.

The thing is Sumail and Midone are one of the best players in the world. Especially Sumail has been practicing playing pos 1 since a few months ago.

Also, Notail and Ceb are great analysts and drafters. They can complete everything needed by great players. I think they are the most contributors to OG for winning TI 2 times since we know that the drafting phase and gameplay strategy are very important in a Dota 2 match.

Without doubt about being the best players, all of the best mid players come together in OG. Ceb is the guy that contributed most and Notail's strength is coming from Ceb's motivation as per as I've watched the both truesight.

But I'm wondering what will happen if Ana becomes active again in the team. Whether Sumail will leave the team or there will be a role change.

This is a question that we can't answer.

[Ailmand]

Without doubt about being the best players, all of the best mid players come together in OG. Ceb is the guy that contributed most and Notail's strength is coming from Ceb's motivation as per as I've watched the both truesight.

Their winning streak had been stopped by liquid and it showed that there are still adjustments they need to make. It can be expected since they just had a new roster. In my opinion Sumail is strong, however I think he is to confident sometimes and makes initiation on his own. I would still like to see Ana back as the main of the team.

[turkandjaydee]

Any thoughts on Virtus Pro vs Cyber Legacy? I think the score will be 2 - 1 for VP.

The match history shows that VP won 2-0 against Cyber Legacy but I think there will be different pressure for both teams in this match because its an elimination match, so VP won't win 2-0 again like last match.

[boyptc]

Despite of losing yesterday, Adroit managed to get the 3rd slot to the majors.

Congratulations to them for sweeping 2-0 against IO. They really deserve the slot because they have been performing very well ever since the qualifiers has started.

[GreatArkansas]

Despite of losing yesterday, Adroit managed to get the 3rd slot to the majors.
(...)

Their hardwork really paid off!
They even played to some computer shop because of poor/unstable internet connection on their bootcamp which is located in the Philippines.
https://twitter.com/AdroitDota/status/1227134029318643713

Update:
Qualified teams as of now, 5 teams already confirmed for going in ESL Los Angeles 2020 Major.
Team Secret and OG are extremely awesome, especially Team Secret for having 0 lost for the Europe Qualifier, rooting for them.

[livingfree]

Majors does have an allocation of $1M most of the time while the minors has an allocation of $300,000 for the prize pool.

While the International which is the main tournament of Dota 2, depends on the sales that Valve dedicates for the prize pool and base on its history, every year is surpassing the last year's prize pool.

damn thats alot of cash out there for just a video game only , this prizes was more or a bit closer to the sports and other real life events  .

  i thought esports arent popular enough  ? becauase look at them , many gambling sites still doesnt support them  . they dont support dota 2 betting   . are they under estimating these kind of games/betting ?    . but its not surprising that the prize is big because the cosmetics that they sell were also expensive  .

It's not that a lot compare to majors and the main event of the Dota 2 community which is TI.

Esports is already popular and it's been considered as a career if you are not aware of it. You need to recheck it, many crypto bookies are supporting esports game and Dota 2 is one of the most popular game they ever had.

I didn't know that Cignal vs. Lowkey shared the same with problem Adroit yesterday and I can still remember the rant of a Cignal player last major qualifier.

[turkandjaydee]

Update:
Qualified teams as of now, 5 teams already confirmed for going in ESL Los Angeles 2020 Major.
Team Secret and OG are extremely awesome, especially Team Secret for having 0 lost for the Europe Qualifier, rooting for them.

OG started this season very well compared to last season where they had a struggle when Ana wasn't active in the team.

And for Team Secret, they're always consistently good every season. But unfortunately, they always can't keep it up on TI, maybe because of very high pressure.

[GreatArkansas]

For Your Information for everybody;
As the qualifiers still going on for ESL ONE Los Angeles Major 2020, which 3 teams left from China Region qualifers.
We still 1 left team for the champion of upcoming minor (Star Ladder Imba TV) which thet have still on playing for qualifiers now, there is still chance for those team who failed to get qualified from per region qualifiers of Los Angeles Major.

Read more about Star Ladder Imba TV Minor here: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/StarLadder_ImbaTV/Minor/Season_3

via Imgflip Meme Generator

[jakelyson]

I didn't know that Cignal vs. Lowkey shared the same with problem Adroit yesterday and I can still remember the rant of a Cignal player last major qualifier.

I am not well versed in their problem but don't they have a backup connection? They are a professional team, they should have at least a backup just in case their main connection has problems.

[turkandjaydee]

-snip-

Is it okay to discuss Star Ladder Imba TV Minor matches here? Will you edit the thread title?

I am not well versed in their problem but don't they have a backup connection? They are a professional team, they should have at least a backup just in case their main connection has problems.

This is a common problem in 3rd countries like Philippines and my country Indonesia. There are many internet providers, even all of them provide high speed connections.
But not with the connection stability especially for gaming, there are not many options.

[Janation]

I know this is something that you've heard of but I really love the line up of OG.

I am not saying this because they are the first team that won back to back but because I see something in their line up. Midone offlane, Sumail carry and Saksa support. If you will be thinking of it, two of these players are used to a solo lane. If they can lanes on themselves, they can focus on the kind of game OG is used to, and that is being aggressive. If you see their games for the LA qualifiers, they are still that aggressive team but more aggressive now since they can focus on their lanes.

I think also that Saksa really fits this team but what I am observing is that Topson is getting more aggressive and it is not right. Maybe they are just enjoying the game since it is just the qualifier.

[livingfree]

I didn't know that Cignal vs. Lowkey shared the same with problem Adroit yesterday and I can still remember the rant of a Cignal player last major qualifier.

I am not well versed in their problem but don't they have a backup connection? They are a professional team, they should have at least a backup just in case their main connection has problems.

I guess they don't have because if they do, they will not experience this internet interruption during this important qualifier. As I know, Cignal is sponsored by a known internet provider but it sucks that they were the first team to experience it before.

However, the recent one was with Lowkey Esports.

I wish that this won't happen again especially during the most important games of their lives like this major or even a minor qualifier.

[GreatArkansas]

Update on the qualifiers of the ESL One Los Angeles 2020 Major:
Invictus Gaming and Royal Never Give Up already qualified to the Los Angeles Major.
Only 1 team left from China's qualifier; it's either EHOME or Team Aster.
The last match for China's qualifier, it's already 1-0 in favor of EHOME, the match is best of 3.

[livingfree]

Only 1 team left from China's qualifier; it's either EHOME or Team Aster.
The last match for China's qualifier, it's already 1-0 in favor of EHOME, the match is best of 3.

Well then, the match was finished and congratulations to EHOME. They've won against Team Aster via 2-0.

Now, only one last slot for this major and shall be filled during the SLI Minor Champion this upcoming early March of 2020.

[GreatArkansas]

Days before the ESL One Los Angeles will commence it's main stage. While the last slot for a team will also include in the list will start their main stage tomorrow. The SLi Minor Champion, this is really exciting. My funds are ready to gamble.

[Assface16678]

Days before the ESL One Los Angeles will commence it's main stage. While the last slot for a team will also include in the list will start their main stage tomorrow. The SLi Minor Champion, this is really exciting. My funds are ready to gamble.

Esports is one of the game many people love because it is all about the skills of every pro players and most of them came from different countries and arrive at the main venue to gain the title of being champion in a major even it is not a huge price pool still it is essential to be qualified to the coming The international 2020, some of the teams must need to qualify to top 4 or 5 to make a points and direct invite to the international. For this major, we can face different roster and it is good to make research for the new players also to avoid having a mistake in our predictions. One of the strongest team today that can be the champion again is the Team Nigma from the previous team of Liquid, Team secret the kings of the majors and the international 8 and 9 champion team OG even they are not completed and change their players because in some issues.

[Sadlife]

I thought it was cancelled due to the treat of the Coronavirus. It's nice that they'd still push through. Im rooting for nigma despite countless defeat in the recent major. Maybe their still adjusting with the new team roster but showed that they've adapted and win the Weplay tournament.
Im looking into betting in EG and OG also. Because of their improving performance especially EG, abed really is a game changer.

[GreatArkansas]

There are already groups for all who are qualified in yhe ESL One Los Angeles Major.
18teams, 4 groups and the first match will start on March 15.
What group is most exciting to watch here?
I am looking forward on the Group B match and Evil Geniuses vs OG, #Top10AnimeBetrayal, lol.
I'm satisfied on the groupings now since the SEA teams are scattered in different groups.

[GreenStox]

There are already groups for all who are qualified in yhe ESL One Los Angeles Major.
18teams, 4 groups and the first match will start on March 15.
What group is most exciting to watch here?
I am looking forward on the Group B match and Evil Geniuses vs OG, #Top10AnimeBetrayal, lol.
I'm satisfied on the groupings now since the SEA teams are scattered in different groups.

I see OG the TI champion 2 years in a row, maybe this will be an easy tournament for OG, but the roster has changed their 2 main players when TI is not present, so this will be a good start to start their new roster in the major tournament , before going to TI.

[IlVeroNico]

I can't wait to see the new OG in action vs international teams, hoping coronavirus isn't a threat for the tournament (i read that they cancelled a CS:GO tournament the day befor it was starting some tiem ago)

Meanwhile there's the Dota Summit going on: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_Summit/12
It's a good appetizer for the major starting later 

[GreatArkansas]

(....)
I see OG the TI champion 2 years in a row, maybe this will be an easy tournament for OG, but the roster has changed their 2 main players when TI is not present, so this will be a good start to start their new roster in the major tournament , before going to TI.

These two new replacement for the original line up of OG are also not ordinary, although different roles but still in core positions.
OG got huge expectations from people this upcoming ESL ONE major. But still always remember, don't underestimate those low tier or underdog teams since there are already lot of past experiences that unexpected happend and tons of people lost and win huge gamble with those.

[GreenStox]

(....)
I see OG the TI champion 2 years in a row, maybe this will be an easy tournament for OG, but the roster has changed their 2 main players when TI is not present, so this will be a good start to start their new roster in the major tournament , before going to TI.

These two new replacement for the original line up of OG are also not ordinary, although different roles but still in core positions.
OG got huge expectations from people this upcoming ESL ONE major. But still always remember, don't underestimate those low tier or underdog teams since there are already lot of past experiences that unexpected happend and tons of people lost and win huge gamble with those.

old team or old player?We take the example of NAVI which has been replaced as recently as possible.
then the former member of Navi himself tried to make his own team and hoped to find a new style of play for him and his team.
but so far I have not seen it work.
where teams with new players are more dominating.
so in my opinion there is no longer a place for old players, this is just my opinion.

[GreatArkansas]

Bad news for everyone who are waiting this exciting ESL ONE LOS ANGELES MAJOR.
The LA MAJOR got postponed as per ESL ONE management due to this novel corona ncov19.
This is really devastating for some team that came from far country and already arrived in Los Angeles, but for sure they will be accommodate  by ESL ONE management.
The postponed also good news for some team that qualified and some of their players got VISA denied or some players are not available just like Team Aster and Team Adroit.

[amishmanish]

So this was also cancelled due to the pandemic. God knows what else is going to go down in the coming days. The news coming out gets more depressing every day. We are also under a lockdown in our country. Anyone looking for a pro game can still follow the We Save charity tournament. There will be a Nigma vs Liquid matchup and NaVi vs Hellraisers do decide for the final.

The prized pool is 120K and they are collecting donations during the tournament which will be donated for the development of vaccine to CEPI.

[GreatArkansas]

Update for the ESL One Angeles:
The tournament now will become Online as what the management decided. This could be better for everyone and more safer for each player staffs.
ESL One Online Tournament will start on March 28, 2020  until April 19, 2020.
For more information please read the official statement of ESL ONE management here: https://www.eslgaming.com/article/updates-esl-one-los-angeles-2020-and-birmingham-2020-4344

Both tournaments will be played and broadcasted online starting with ESL One Los Angeles 2020 kicking off later this week on March 28 with five regional online leagues. Each region will feature top teams playing it out in a round-robin stage followed by playoffs

[sunsilk]

I've posted to the other thread about the alternative that Valve and ESL have come up with.

We have some good news for Dota 2 bettors and players. This is about the postponed ESL One on LA. It will continue but not anymore in LA but through five regional online leagues and it will be a long tourney starting from March 28 to April 19.

See all the details on the page.

https://www.esl-one.com/dota2/los-angeles/

This is going to be a long time so while staying at home, we can tune in, watch and bet during the regional league. At least now, we have something to watch and the action continues for these high tier teams.

[turkandjaydee]

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Actually I already expected this to happen since all of the recent CSGO tournaments have migrated to an online tournament earlier.

The bad thing is team matches are separated according to their region and we all know that the only competitive region is Europe while the other region has only 1 or 2 strong teams.

But maybe this will make the match more predictable. We'll see

[amishmanish]

This is going to be a long time so while staying at home, we can tune in, watch and bet during the regional league. At least now, we have something to watch and the action continues for these high tier teams.

Although the prize money and the excitement is just a fraction of what the original event was supposed to be, its is better than nothing. What about the teams that won the open qualifiers from respective regions. It seems that only the direct invite teams have been picked (or were probably available).

All those matches spent on those tough qualifiers come to nought for the smaller teams. Must be heatbreaking. Heartbreak is something that this pestilence is giving aplenty to everyone around. Stay safe people. ॐ शान्तिः

[turkandjaydee]

ESL One Los Angeles 2020 - Online: Southeast Asia

Boom Esports vs Fnatic (2-1)

Another surprising game after EG lost to Quincy Crew. But really, Mikoto played very well in the last game. He showed Moon how to play Ember Spirit against Monkey King at mid lol.

Great return for people who bet on Boom Esports.

[turkandjaydee]

It seems no one following this tournament here?

I'm currently watching closely the ESL One LA SEA Region, and the upcoming match is between Boom Esports and Fnatic. I'm a bit confused about which team will win this match because Fnatic is actually a pretty strong team but if we see the last face to face between Boom and Fnatic, Boom Esports won the match.

And also after watching the match between Boom and Adroit, also seeing GeekFam lost to Fnatic (0-2) yesterday, this becomes more unpredictable for me.
I think I won't bet this match between Boom and Fnatic today, but maybe someone wants to share an opinion about this upcoming match.

[sunsilk]

-snip-

Actually I already expected this to happen since all of the recent CSGO tournaments have migrated to an online tournament earlier.

The bad thing is team matches are separated according to their region and we all know that the only competitive region is Europe while the other region has only 1 or 2 strong teams.

But maybe this will make the match more predictable. We'll see

Europe and CIS has been merged and the prize pot for the said region is higher than the other regions (SEA, SA, NA, China).

This is going to be a long time so while staying at home, we can tune in, watch and bet during the regional league. At least now, we have something to watch and the action continues for these high tier teams.

Although the prize money and the excitement is just a fraction of what the original event was supposed to be, its is better than nothing. What about the teams that won the open qualifiers from respective regions. It seems that only the direct invite teams have been picked (or were probably available).

All those matches spent on those tough qualifiers come to nought for the smaller teams. Must be heatbreaking. Heartbreak is something that this pestilence is giving aplenty to everyone around. Stay safe people. ॐ शान्तिः

Yes, this is a fair decision from the management instead of cancelling the whole tournament at least they've made something while everyone's staying at home. Lucky were those that have been direct invited by ESL.

Except EU and CIS, most of the regions are nearly done to grand finals.

[GreatArkansas]

l
Standing updates on Southeast Asia region.
I am really surprised of this team: Team Adroit, an all-filipino team. They have still 0 loses on this round robin period in the SEA region. Their chemistry is extremely nice, they have the teamwork. I'm looking forward for this Filipino team.
Will also start to observe in other regions of this Online tournament.

[sunsilk]

I am really surprised of this team: Team Adroit, an all-filipino team. They have still 0 loses on this round robin period in the SEA region. Their chemistry is extremely nice, they have the teamwork. I'm looking forward for this Filipino team.
Will also start to observe in other regions of this Online tournament.

Team Adroit is strong. They've beaten TNC + OG.Ana during the charity tournament game. Even during the qualifiers for the ESL Los Angeles, they have been the best in the standings garnering a loss due to internet connection problems.

But still, they've managed to be qualified.

Boom and Fnatic are fighting as we discuss here, whoever wins moves to the grand finals and the loser will be the 3rd place.

[Janation]

I thought it was cancelled due to the treat of the Coronavirus. It's nice that they'd still push through. Im rooting for nigma despite countless defeat in the recent major. Maybe their still adjusting with the new team roster but showed that they've adapted and win the Weplay tournament.
Im looking into betting in EG and OG also. Because of their improving performance especially EG, abed really is a game changer.

I know right.

I never thought that this would be continuing. Though they continued the major, it is done online so I'm a bit disappointed but still, there's nothing we can do since we have this pandemic.

Maybe their still adjusting with the new team roster but showed that they've adapted and win the Weplay tournament.
Im looking into betting in EG and OG also. Because of their improving performance especially EG, abed really is a game changer.

What are you saying? Why would they adjust?

They've played the finals of The International, no changes still the same roster. I think you are not that of a fan of Dota that even forgets or maybe not know the finalist of TI9. That is the same with EG bro, Abed is already in that team last year.

[Latviand]

The closed qualifier now for each region is intense and mostly on the Europe qualifiers. The teams that are aiming to get to the top 3 are most tier 1 teams so I think before looking to the majors, let's look to the qualifiers and the Starladder minor.
But I think I really like OG now, obviously, the past roster is the best and their chemistry as a team is incomparable to the current but rooting for them to this major.

I really like the new OG roster having mid-one, sumail and saksa on the team. I have watched one of their fight against the alliance.  I would say their new team has a lot to work on in terms of synergy since they are palying with a new set of team. Anna an jerax will surely be missed with all the signature plays they have made in previous TI's and majors. Still rooting for this team.

I'm a fan of OG since Day 1 and it is very exciting to see them playing with a new roster and new plays as they compete in this 2020 MAJOR. But it is temporarily postponed due to the Covid-19 pandemic, they prioritize the health of each and every players in a team. We are looking forward for this to continue because we are very hyped up when these 3 new players in OG, together with Notail and Topson. MidOne, Saksa, and Sumail will surely be suitable in this team as they are somehow came from the other team as a best player. MidOne and SumaiL are both mid laner and it is more likely that their perspective and strategy in a game is useful and efficient enough to guide and support Notail and Topson in achieving this title again. The chemistry is really thrilling and we need to wait for the approval on when this 2020 major will continue after this pandemic ends.

[Janation]

The closed qualifier now for each region is intense and mostly on the Europe qualifiers. The teams that are aiming to get to the top 3 are most tier 1 teams so I think before looking to the majors, let's look to the qualifiers and the Starladder minor.
But I think I really like OG now, obviously, the past roster is the best and their chemistry as a team is incomparable to the current but rooting for them to this major.

I really like the new OG roster having mid-one, sumail and saksa on the team. I have watched one of their fight against the alliance.  I would say their new team has a lot to work on in terms of synergy since they are palying with a new set of team. Anna an jerax will surely be missed with all the signature plays they have made in previous TI's and majors. Still rooting for this team.

I'm a fan of OG since Day 1 and it is very exciting to see them playing with a new roster and new plays as they compete in this 2020 MAJOR. But it is temporarily postponed due to the Covid-19 pandemic, they prioritize the health of each and every players in a team. We are looking forward for this to continue because we are very hyped up when these 3 new players in OG, together with Notail and Topson. MidOne, Saksa, and Sumail will surely be suitable in this team as they are somehow came from the other team as a best player. MidOne and SumaiL are both mid laner and it is more likely that their perspective and strategy in a game is useful and efficient enough to guide and support Notail and Topson in achieving this title again. The chemistry is really thrilling and we need to wait for the approval on when this 2020 major will continue after this pandemic ends.

It is already happening.

You could just google search the schedules and you would be able to see that there is already a scheduled match of OG against their rival in the recent TI9, Nigma. Some games are already done so better keep up the analysis and do your bets now.

[Darker45]

Hey guys!

Where do you usually watch the matches live? I made a few live betting yesterday while watching the game through twitch.tv. I later on realized how much delayed the streaming was. My bet was settle already but the game through the site was still going on. I kind of took the opportunity to place a bet on PSG when the odds suddenly flipped against their favor. I though it was a nice timing only to find out the game was already hugely in favor of Invictus in the actual game.

Can you recommend a real-time live telecast of ESL games? Thank you!

[GreatArkansas]

Standing updates: North America Region.

Quincy Crew is on the top now with 0 losses and next the Evil Geniuses with 2-1 record.
This Quincy Crew is really making comeback here, with past tournaments they really played bad, this team got also good line-ups especially Yawar brother of Sumail King is there and MSS also.
In this region, the matches are also exciting and enjoyable to watch.

Can you recommend a real-time live telecast of ESL games? Thank you!

I think, ESL-ONE channel in twitch is the official streaming of this tournament, where you can also check here: http://live.esl-one.com/ (official website of the ESL) which the twitch channel (https://www.twitch.tv/esl_dota2) is embedded there.

[Darker45]

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Can you recommend a real-time live telecast of ESL games? Thank you!

I think, ESL-ONE channel in twitch is the official streaming of this tournament, where you can also check here: http://live.esl-one.com/ (official website of the ESL) which the twitch channel (https://www.twitch.tv/esl_dota2) is embedded there.

I will try watching live matches through their website. There was a couple of channels streaming PSG.LGD vs. Invictus when I was watching yesterday. Both were delayed, though. The other one was without audio while the other one had Russian commentators. I chose the latter only to end up really delayed. Not good to be used as basis for live betting. I was waiting for the odds to get better while watching the game. I lost.

Thanks for this!

[sunsilk]

Winners(1st place) per region.

Southeast Asia ~> Fnatic

North America ~> Evil Geniuses

South America and China coming soon.

While the combined Europe and CIS region will start as soon as the two other regions will end. They have a lot of teams so it's a good decision to end the others first so that the coverage will be focused to them.

[turkandjaydee]

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Even the official channel often has a delay. Sometimes the match results in Liquipedia are updated earlier before the game actually ends in live streaming.

But it's not like they deliberately did it, I think the delay was only caused by a connection or something (maybe from their side or even from our side as a spectator).

By the way, ESL also has a youtube channel and they also open live streaming there too.

Southeast Asia ~> Fnatic

I thought Adroit will win because they started this tournament really well and they only lost 2 times in the group stage. But I'm also suspicious that Fnatic will win because they have a really good record from previous tournaments and we've seen many times the winning team always climbs from the lower bracket.

So I'm glad I didn't make a bet on this match.

[Janation]

Southeast Asia ~> Fnatic

I thought Adroit will win because they started this tournament really well and they only lost 2 times in the group stage. But I'm also suspicious that Fnatic will win because they have a really good record from previous tournaments and we've seen many times the winning team always climbs from the lower bracket.

So I'm glad I didn't make a bet on this match.

And I did bet in Adroit thinking they would win against Fnatic based on the results they had.

Either way, what I am really waiting for here is the game of OG and Nigma. I will not be betting on it since I think this game would be like an exhibition game but I am really rooting for Nigma here. I am a fan of OG but the thing is that based on the games of Nigma in WePlay, they learned a lot playing and watching their games with OG in the recent TI. With a different lineup, I think Nigma might be surprised but I think they could win. After that game, I am OG all the way.

[sunsilk]

Southeast Asia ~> Fnatic

I thought Adroit will win because they started this tournament really well and they only lost 2 times in the group stage. But I'm also suspicious that Fnatic will win because they have a really good record from previous tournaments and we've seen many times the winning team always climbs from the lower bracket.

So I'm glad I didn't make a bet on this match.

They did well as usual but commend the team Fnatic. They've always been professional and experienced. That's what Adroit is lacking of, they need to be more exposed to top teams such as Fnatic so that they could gain experience.

Fnatic isn't active during the early season but they're showing who they are on this tournament. Salute to all teams for the Sea region even with Geekfam who fell short of the tournament and Boom.Esports that's also improving and gaining attention in the Sea.

[turkandjaydee]

And I did bet in Adroit thinking they would win against Fnatic based on the results they had.

You will always need to think about this, this is not a rare thing to happen in Dota 2.

and we've seen many times the winning team always climbs from the lower bracket.

And often, the momentum in the group stage and the main stage are different. Sometimes the team that will on fire in the main stage is different from the team that was on fire in the group stage.

Either way, what I am really waiting for here is the game of OG and Nigma. I will not be betting on it since I think this game would be like an exhibition game but I am really rooting for Nigma here.

OG lineup is really screwed currently. I think they're pretty strong against Nigma if midone and topson are playing but sadly they're not.
So I prefer Nigma here, but we must see both team performances first and not make any predictions in the early matches.

but they're showing who they are on this tournament.

No doubt about this, I saw they have really good performance even with the tier 1 team.

[Janation]

Either way, what I am really waiting for here is the game of OG and Nigma. I will not be betting on it since I think this game would be like an exhibition game but I am really rooting for Nigma here.

OG lineup is really screwed currently. I think they're pretty strong against Nigma if midone and topson are playing but sadly they're not.
So I prefer Nigma here, but we must see both team performances first and not make any predictions in the early matches.

I think you did not read their announcement about this one.

The last tournament, WePlay, they let Madara and Ceb play then NoTail and Sumail swap their positions. In that charity event, they will go with that lineup but in terms of the upcoming major, ESL One Los Angeles, they will be going with their current line up with Midone and Topson. I think they are strong but for now, I will also go with Nigma with my reason in that earlier post. 4 hours from now, we will be seeing them clash again, I can't wait.

[GreatArkansas]

The last tournament, WePlay, they let Madara and Ceb play then NoTail and Sumail swap their positions. In that charity event, they will go with that lineup but in terms of the upcoming major, ESL One Los Angeles, they will be going with their current line up with Midone and Topson. I think they are strong but for now, I will also go with Nigma with my reason in that earlier post. 4 hours from now, we will be seeing them clash again, I can't wait.

Odds update for this upcoming match, OG vs Team Nigma.
I am also going here for Team Nigma. For now, I still can't appreciate the line up of OG now even most of their players compose of mid players, just like Sumail, and MidOne which is recently joined.
I am still sticking to this Team Nigma, solid team and perfect lineup, as time goes by, w33ha is getting good for team Nigma. Performance of Team Nigma in recently WeSave! Charity Play tournament is pretty well and hoping for this tournament too.

[sunsilk]

but they're showing who they are on this tournament.

No doubt about this, I saw they have really good performance even with the tier 1 team.

They had a flawless victory against Adroit. What I've seen with the comment boxes as I've watched the game, many were disappointed for Adroit the way they were beaten by Fnatic.

Odds update for this upcoming match, OG vs Team Nigma.
I am also going here for Team Nigma. For now, I still can't appreciate the line up of OG now even most of their players compose of mid players, just like Sumail, and MidOne which is recently joined.

Good observation. The original OG was a damn team build with confidence and chemistry. Ceb and Notail are the remaining from the original roster who will play still. But who knows if they can create the same chemistry as the old team.

It's still the group stage and I wouldn't bet, for now, I'll just observe the upcoming matches.

[Janation]

The last tournament, WePlay, they let Madara and Ceb play then NoTail and Sumail swap their positions. In that charity event, they will go with that lineup but in terms of the upcoming major, ESL One Los Angeles, they will be going with their current line up with Midone and Topson. I think they are strong but for now, I will also go with Nigma with my reason in that earlier post. 4 hours from now, we will be seeing them clash again, I can't wait.

Odds update for this upcoming match, OG vs Team Nigma.
I am also going here for Team Nigma. For now, I still can't appreciate the line up of OG now even most of their players compose of mid players, just like Sumail, and MidOne which is recently joined.
I am still sticking to this Team Nigma, solid team and perfect lineup, as time goes by, w33ha is getting good for team Nigma. Performance of Team Nigma in recently WeSave! Charity Play tournament is pretty well and hoping for this tournament too.

I think OG will be shaping again the meta here in this tournament.

I am a fan of how OG does things but right now I am on Nigma's side but let me tell you my opinion about this. We all know how OG likes to play early games, they are so aggressive and just like to run around trampling their enemies. I think the reason they picked 2 mid laners is to control the two lanes. That means, 3 lanes secured and support just doing their roams or focussing on lanes. Just imagine how annoying Saksa and NoTail will be in this tournament.

[sunsilk]

I think OG will be shaping again the meta here in this tournament.

I am a fan of how OG does things but right now I am on Nigma's side but let me tell you my opinion about this. We all know how OG likes to play early games, they are so aggressive and just like to run around trampling their enemies. I think the reason they picked 2 mid laners is to control the two lanes. That means, 3 lanes secured and support just doing their roams or focussing on lanes. Just imagine how annoying Saksa and NoTail will be in this tournament.

They always have something new and they are the ones who are creating a new meta. Yes, the playstyle of OG is very aggressive and they are the same as TNC but more careful and better in terms of performance, obviously because they are two-time tea-eye winners.

The addition of Sumail will make them more aggressive if he's on the position 2. Topson and Midone won't play for this tournament and we get to see how 33 will play in the mid lane because he's known to be an offlane player.

By the way, the game's starting as I've posted this and they are on the picking phase.

Watch the stream: https://www.twitch.tv/esl_dota2

[FlightyPouch]

By the way, the game's starting as I've posted this and they are on the picking phase.

I don't know what to watch right now, CSGO or Dota2. It is a Faze game but it is also a OG-Nigma game. By the way, they picked Lycan and I remembered in one of his streams he is so annoyed by that hero with the short cooldown on his SS. I thought that it is a sign that they will be using it and I guess I am right. OG all the way.

[Darker45]

It's still the group stage and I wouldn't bet, for now, I'll just observe the upcoming matches.

I've made a few bets on this major already. So far, it seems the plays are more unpredictable. I guess those huge names are more relaxed on major matches as compared to when they are playing on TI. Those who are less known and have so much to prove are the ones who are more aggressive in the major stage. More focused games and perfect executions are mostly showed by the superstars in the TI.

I hope we are already back to our normal lives by August in time for the biggest and most anticipated DOTA event.

[sunsilk]

By the way, the game's starting as I've posted this and they are on the picking phase.

I don't know what to watch right now, CSGO or Dota2. It is a Faze game but it is also a OG-Nigma game. By the way, they picked Lycan and I remembered in one of his streams he is so annoyed by that hero with the short cooldown on his SS. I thought that it is a sign that they will be using it and I guess I am right. OG all the way.

Game 1 is done and it's a win for OG. 

Game 2 incoming.

It's still the group stage and I wouldn't bet, for now, I'll just observe the upcoming matches.

I've made a few bets on this major already. So far, it seems the plays are more unpredictable. I guess those huge names are more relaxed on major matches as compared to when they are playing on TI. Those who are less known and have so much to prove are the ones who are more aggressive in the major stage. More focused games and perfect executions are mostly showed by the superstars in the TI.

I hope we are already back to our normal lives by August in time for the biggest and most anticipated DOTA event.

Dota 2 games today are always unpredictable. Sometimes an underdog used to win and a tier 1 team loses surprisingly. This game is balanced although you will see a lot of memes that this game is dead and imbalanced.

[FlightyPouch]

It's still the group stage and I wouldn't bet, for now, I'll just observe the upcoming matches.

I've made a few bets on this major already. So far, it seems the plays are more unpredictable. I guess those huge names are more relaxed on major matches as compared to when they are playing on TI. Those who are less known and have so much to prove are the ones who are more aggressive in the major stage. More focused games and perfect executions are mostly showed by the superstars in the TI.

I hope we are already back to our normal lives by August in time for the biggest and most anticipated DOTA event.

Dota 2 games today are always unpredictable. Sometimes an underdog used to win and a tier 1 team loses surprisingly. This game is balanced although you will see a lot of memes that this game is dead and imbalanced.

To be honest, they are saying that this game is dead but they don't have a basis of it since players are still flooding the server. Steam will always find a way to develop the game, we have IceFrog in our side to analyze and balance the game and shape the meta. Well, Steam is continuously updating the game so it is fine. As a player, we should also contribute by sending them emails about the game. That way, we will be able to contribute to shaping the game as a whole.

[amishmanish]

So the Europe-CIS online league started finally. So we get to see some of the best teams in a sortta pro setting now. As Darker said, these games aren't really as well-fought as the real deals. Right now, an exciting 3rd game between VP and Hellraiser which from the picks, looks to me like may go HR s way.

Edit: Ate my words..Duh!

[FlightyPouch]

Either way, what I am really waiting for here is the game of OG and Nigma. I will not be betting on it since I think this game would be like an exhibition game but I am really rooting for Nigma here.

OG lineup is really screwed currently. I think they're pretty strong against Nigma if midone and topson are playing but sadly they're not.
So I prefer Nigma here, but we must see both team performances first and not make any predictions in the early matches.

I think you did not read their announcement about this one.

The last tournament, WePlay, they let Madara and Ceb play then NoTail and Sumail swap their positions. In that charity event, they will go with that lineup but in terms of the upcoming major, ESL One Los Angeles, they will be going with their current line up with Midone and Topson. I think they are strong but for now, I will also go with Nigma with my reason in that earlier post. 4 hours from now, we will be seeing them clash again, I can't wait.

Based on their recent game, they go with the lineup they had in WePlay, so you're wrong. Though you are really right in your statement that OG really liked to trample their enemies early game. OG is just diving under the tower and it is really exciting since despite we know how aggressive OG is, it is so good watching them do that. And I think Nigma is taken aback with how the OG played right now, it is true that they are aggressive like that in TI but with the addition of Sumail, and throw there Ceb too, man! This is just amazing! Just look at the plays Sumail and Ceb did in their first 2 games, it is really mindblowing how good they are.

[Janation]

Based on their recent game, they go with the lineup they had in WePlay, so you're wrong. Though you are really right in your statement that OG really liked to trample their enemies early game. OG is just diving under the tower and it is really exciting since despite we know how aggressive OG is, it is so good watching them do that. And I think Nigma is taken aback with how the OG played right now, it is true that they are aggressive like that in TI but with the addition of Sumail, and throw there Ceb too, man! This is just amazing! Just look at the plays Sumail and Ceb did in their first 2 games, it is really mindblowing how good they are.

My bad there, I thought they are just changing their line up for the charity event.

All in all, OG did not change. As the casters said it, we are kind of expecting this kind of gameplay from OG. I am kind of disappointed that Nigma did not retaliate that much and it's like Nigma is hiding some strats in this game the fact that they had a lot of mistakes in this game. Even Kuro that is the brain of team Nigma is making mistakes. Here is the thing though, having NoTail and Ceb back in the lineup is the reason why they trampled Nigma. Every time Ceb makes a play, I remember Kuroky when they are being interviewed for the True Sight when he said that he's a bit of annoyed that they can't get revenge to Jerax and Ceb but right now that Ceb is back in the lineup, this happens. Nigma is hiding a strat, I can tell you that. Miracle is playing well, the same with w33. In terms of OG, damn I don't know why teams are just letting Sumail be a free agent. OG will be using the King to win this major, I can tell you that.

[turkandjaydee]

but in terms of the upcoming major, ESL One Los Angeles, they will be going with their current line up with Midone and Topson.

Actually I was right



Topson and Midone aren't playing in this tournament. If I remember correctly, I think it's because they're not able to go across the country because of coronavirus pandemic.
So 33 who just left Alliance becomes a standin in OG and Ceb fills the other empty seat.

And surprisingly, they started this tournament with a very good performance in their first series. 2-0 against Nigma  

[Janation]

but in terms of the upcoming major, ESL One Los Angeles, they will be going with their current line up with Midone and Topson.

Actually I was right



Topson and Midone aren't playing in this tournament. If I remember correctly, I think it's because they're not able to go across the country because of coronavirus pandemic.
So 33 who just left Alliance becomes a standin in OG and Ceb fills the other empty seat.

And surprisingly, they started this tournament with a very good performance in their first series. 2-0 against Nigma 

Yeah, my bad.

But the whole major will be done online so I don't think it is the matter of going across the country but because of the internet connection they have. That is the reason why Topson and Midone can't join the lineup. The lineup is better with Ceb in it and it feels like it is not OG without Ceb in there. I mean he is a good coach but I think it is better for him to be in the active roster than coaching. Just look at the game and it proves how great a player he is.

[ryzaadit]

Yeah, my bad.

But the whole major will be done online so I don't think it is the matter of going across the country but because of the internet connection they have. That is the reason why Topson and Midone can't join the lineup.

Went every team playing an online tournament, most of them will be playing at their own Bootcamp.

If each person playing on their own place would be not good for the teamwork, discussion strategy, and draft. I think the problem not an internet connection, but about teamwork will be not maximal since they only discuss using a mic. That's why they using Ceb & 33 to fill the empty slot, since Ceb & 33 was free,

[GreatArkansas]

Standings update on the EUROPE & CIS region for  this online tournament.
The win of OG against Team Nigma was flawless victory, really unexpected win of OG even they are not the original lineup which the odds also big on OG side.
While the othe other side, Viking.gg, CL, and Virtous Pro also owning this time, Virtous Pro is interesting team for this tournament and looking forward on them.

[ultrloa]

Yeah, my bad.

But the whole major will be done online so I don't think it is the matter of going across the country but because of the internet connection they have. That is the reason why Topson and Midone can't join the lineup.

Went every team playing an online tournament, most of them will be playing at their own Bootcamp.

If each person playing on their own place would be not good for the teamwork, discussion strategy, and draft. I think the problem not an internet connection, but about teamwork will be not maximal since they only discuss using a mic. That's why they using Ceb & 33 to fill the empty slot, since Ceb & 33 was free,

A big mess coming on them if they push that playing at home to continue that one maybe the best option for them is to set up the boot camp each team so that they can maximize their resources together the team communication aswell they can secure the health of their player.

But all things are seems figured  out now and lets see what is the result of this actions.

[sunsilk]

but in terms of the upcoming major, ESL One Los Angeles, they will be going with their current line up with Midone and Topson.

Actually I was right

Topson and Midone aren't playing in this tournament. If I remember correctly, I think it's because they're not able to go across the country because of coronavirus pandemic.
So 33 who just left Alliance becomes a standin in OG and Ceb fills the other empty seat.

And surprisingly, they started this tournament with a very good performance in their first series. 2-0 against Nigma  

I've actually said that in my earlier post that Ceb and 33 will be the subs for team OG in this league. That's true that Midone and Topson are having trouble due to the lockdown issues.

The next match that you should watch guys is Team Secret vs. Team Liquid (old-alliance roster).

[FlightyPouch]

but in terms of the upcoming major, ESL One Los Angeles, they will be going with their current line up with Midone and Topson.

Actually I was right

Topson and Midone aren't playing in this tournament. If I remember correctly, I think it's because they're not able to go across the country because of coronavirus pandemic.
So 33 who just left Alliance becomes a standin in OG and Ceb fills the other empty seat.

And surprisingly, they started this tournament with a very good performance in their first series. 2-0 against Nigma 

I've actually said that in my earlier post that Ceb and 33 will be the subs for team OG in this league. That's true that Midone and Topson are having trouble due to the lockdown issues.

The next match that you should watch guys is Team Secret vs. Team Liquid (old-alliance roster).

I don't know about you guys but I am Team Secret here. Team AlLiquid is not really that great, although they are growing to be a good team, they are not the same tier as Team Secret. Speaking of Team Liquid, they are not updating their site about this major at all, their stats about this is still the same as if it is not starting. Anyone can suggest sites here?

Edit: NVM, I realized I am clicking the old link, they have a separate link for the online games that are happening.
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/ESL_One/Los_Angeles/2020/Online/Europe_CIS

[ryzaadit]

I don't know about you guys but I am Team Secret here. Team AlLiquid is not really that great, although they are growing to be a good team, they are not the same tier as Team Secret. Speaking of Team Liquid, they are not updating their site about this major at all, their stats about this is still the same as if it is not starting. Anyone can suggest sites here?

Tell to puppey do not punch his monitor or staring his own team went losing xD.

Well, I believe everyone using the same data for looking at some information about each team on dota 2: "Liquipedia"

[FlightyPouch]

I don't know about you guys but I am Team Secret here. Team AlLiquid is not really that great, although they are growing to be a good team, they are not the same tier as Team Secret. Speaking of Team Liquid, they are not updating their site about this major at all, their stats about this is still the same as if it is not starting. Anyone can suggest sites here?

Tell to puppey do not punch his monitor or staring his own team went losing xD.

Well, that's in the past, right now, we have a Team Secret that dominated the season of 2019. As the casters said, he is the king of the normal season and that is because of the picking strat of Puppey. Right now, we are in the picking phase. Based on the picks, I can really ensure this is a Secret game, it is a Nisha Morph, everyone.

Edit: Surprisingly, it is a Matumbaman Morp, what is Puppey thinking?!

[CarnagexD]

After the We Play Charity there is a new team getting a position for the upcoming majors and The international and that is the Team Adroit and this team beat huge players too and this is good too because after tnc, fnatic, mineski and geek fam there is a new pride of players in the sea server and now we are heading towards to support this team also for the upcoming major there is a huge chance on OG again to win this because by the combination of Notail, Ceb, midone, sumail at topson they can now make it easy with a good team combination but still it is not perfect of Ana will come back to the pro scene of Dota 2 again.

[turkandjaydee]

The win of OG against Team Nigma was flawless victory, really unexpected win of OG even they are not the original lineup which the odds also big on OG side.

In the last match against Nigma, OG was playing very similar to their playstyle in TI 9, they were just running into the enemies and make them fucked up.
And with 33's macro heroes, they were able to push and end the game so fast.

I think they can do something like that even without their TI 8 and TI 9 roster is because of Ceb and Notail. They're the key to their playstyle and strategy.

The lineup is better with Ceb in it and it feels like it is not OG without Ceb in there. I mean he is a good coach but I think it is better for him to be in the active roster than coaching. Just look at the game and it proves how great a player he is.

We can't force someone to play if they don't want to. Maybe Ceb or even also Jerax are already satisfied with winning TI 2 times and now they're looking for something else.

[Darker45]

The lineup is better with Ceb in it and it feels like it is not OG without Ceb in there. I mean he is a good coach but I think it is better for him to be in the active roster than coaching. Just look at the game and it proves how great a player he is.

We can't force someone to play if they don't want to. Maybe Ceb or even also Jerax are already satisfied with winning TI 2 times and now they're looking for something else.

The team will never be the same with the current roster. OG will always be remembered as Ana, Topson, Ceb, Notail and Jerax. That is the OG that successfully made what once to be considered an impossible goal of earning two Aegis. But I am very excited how OG will somehow evolve into something else while keeping their incredible performance. For sure, MidOne, Sumail, and Saksa are not complete strangers to them. They must have crossed paths several times in the past. We will see how the team's chemistry will develop further until the TI 10 in August. 

[turkandjaydee]

OG will always be remembered as Ana, Topson, Ceb, Notail and Jerax. That is the OG that successfully made what once to be considered an impossible goal of earning two Aegis.

This of course is a thing that will be remembered as a big history in Dota 2.

The team will never be the same with the current roster.

Yes of course, their chemistry is very very good and I see they're the most solid team so far. And they also have a pretty dramatic story behind their victory in TI 8 where that was the time they gathered together in full as a team.
If you watch their story in OG's comeback to win DOTA 2's TI8 | Against The Odds, that's the best documentary video that I've ever seen.

But I am very excited how OG will somehow evolve into something else while keeping their incredible performance. For sure, MidOne, Sumail, and Saksa are not complete strangers to them. They must have crossed paths several times in the past. We will see how the team's chemistry will develop further until the TI 10 in August.  

Back to the topic, I think if OG can get 2-0 against Team Secret, then I will not hesitate to bet on OG's victory. The rest is just about calculating the betting odds.

[sunsilk]

I've actually said that in my earlier post that Ceb and 33 will be the subs for team OG in this league. That's true that Midone and Topson are having trouble due to the lockdown issues.

The next match that you should watch guys is Team Secret vs. Team Liquid (old-alliance roster).

I don't know about you guys but I am Team Secret here. Team AlLiquid is not really that great, although they are growing to be a good team, they are not the same tier as Team Secret. Speaking of Team Liquid, they are not updating their site about this major at all, their stats about this is still the same as if it is not starting. Anyone can suggest sites here?

Edit: NVM, I realized I am clicking the old link, they have a separate link for the online games that are happening.
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/ESL_One/Los_Angeles/2020/Online/Europe_CIS

Team Secret won 2 straight games.

I don't know what's on the mind of Team Liquid, they've picked 4 the same heroes but changing the carry first as slark and then Anti-Mage for the 2nd game.

Just always follow liquipedia, it's always updated thanks to the volunteers who never fails to update the page.

[Casdinyard]

Yeah, my bad.

But the whole major will be done online so I don't think it is the matter of going across the country but because of the internet connection they have. That is the reason why Topson and Midone can't join the lineup.

Went every team playing an online tournament, most of them will be playing at their own Bootcamp.

Wouldn't be it so comfortable playing at your own PC? coz I find it too comfy and it is a confidence gainer as a matter of fact. The only problem is the internet connection stability, they should come up with back up internet provider so they could just easily switch from another if ever there is a server or lagging issue. We will be watching monsters playing at their own caves, too exciting isn't it?

If each person playing on their own place would be not good for the teamwork, discussion strategy, and draft. I think the problem not an internet connection, but about teamwork will be not maximal since they only discuss using a mic. That's why they using Ceb & 33 to fill the empty slot, since Ceb & 33 was free,

Bad news is that Topson is not playing, good news is that Sumail is getting back to middle lane. Can't wait to study the movement on the map with Sumail on mid.

[GreatArkansas]

Current scores on the EUROPE & CIS Region for this Online tournament of ESL ONE.
Team OG is leading the Group A while Team Secret on Group B.
This is kinda exciting since, a lot of teams will compete since the ESL management combined the region of Europe and CIS.
It's kinda unbelievable to me that Team Nigma and Team Liquid are almost on the bottom of this group stage. Well, there is still a chance to bounce back.

[Janation]

It's kinda unbelievable to me that Team Nigma and Team Liquid are almost on the bottom of this group stage. Well, there is still a chance to bounce back.

I am not really expecting from Team Liquid besides their coach, Blitz, in terms of Team Nigma, I think they can still get up after that loss.

Also, if you are a longtime Dota 2 fan, I know you know the face of Dota 2 is in the past. I don't know if he is still the face of Dota 2 but he is in team B8 right now and having a bad time in their first game. Right now, I have my eyes on VP which also had a great first game. It is nostalgic since some of the players were in the same team that we loved in the past, Na'Vi like Funn1k and Sonneiko playing for other teams while Dendi is in B8.

[sunsilk]

It's kinda unbelievable to me that Team Nigma and Team Liquid are almost on the bottom of this group stage. Well, there is still a chance to bounce back.

I am not really expecting from Team Liquid besides their coach, Blitz, in terms of Team Nigma, I think they can still get up after that loss.

Also, if you are a longtime Dota 2 fan, I know you know the face of Dota 2 is in the past. I don't know if he is still the face of Dota 2 but he is in team B8 right now and having a bad time in their first game. Right now, I have my eyes on VP which also had a great first game. It is nostalgic since some of the players were in the same team that we loved in the past, Na'Vi like Funn1k and Sonneiko playing for other teams while Dendi is in B8.

I'm not saying that Blitz isn't a good addition to team Liquid as their coach but they can do something better. They were even better when they were still with Loda as their coach on Alliance.

The attitude of Team Nigma, if you have been following them even before they always get into the lower bracket. I don't know if that's sort of strategy to them or they are just adding intense so it's more challenging for them to win when they reach the Semi Finals.

[milewilda]

Bad news is that Topson is not playing, good news is that Sumail is getting back to middle lane. Can't wait to study the movement on the map with Sumail on mid.

It would be a good option if they would let Sumail to take the mid lane and we know that this guy is one of the best mid laner of this game.So it isnt a bad decision for them to take when it comes to Pos 2 matters.

The attitude of Team Nigma, if you have been following them even before they always get into the lower bracket. I don't know if that's sort of strategy to them or they are just adding intense so it's more challenging for them to win when they reach the Semi Finals.

This is a classic liquid strategy or just pure coincidence? We have seen on how they do perform specially on TI's .They do let themselves dropped on lower bracket and goes all the way on the final
spot.

[FlightyPouch]

It's kinda unbelievable to me that Team Nigma and Team Liquid are almost on the bottom of this group stage. Well, there is still a chance to bounce back.

I am not really expecting from Team Liquid besides their coach, Blitz, in terms of Team Nigma, I think they can still get up after that loss.

Also, if you are a longtime Dota 2 fan, I know you know the face of Dota 2 is in the past. I don't know if he is still the face of Dota 2 but he is in team B8 right now and having a bad time in their first game. Right now, I have my eyes on VP which also had a great first game. It is nostalgic since some of the players were in the same team that we loved in the past, Na'Vi like Funn1k and Sonneiko playing for other teams while Dendi is in B8.

I just checked the teams and I am surprised that most of the past teammates of Dendi are playing in this tournament. Including Kuroky and Puppey, we also have Funn1k and Sonneiko here, that is just amazing. I am not a fan of NaVi since I am a bit of a Chinese team in the past since they are the ones dominating the pro stage in that era.

The attitude of Team Nigma, if you have been following them even before they always get into the lower bracket. I don't know if that's sort of strategy to them or they are just adding intense so it's more challenging for them to win when they reach the Semi Finals.

I think that is a strategy or maybe they are trying something else. I think it is a bit of the Path of least resistance but I think they have a strategy in mind. It is Kuroky so we don't really need to be worried about it. I think people would also look at Team Navi right now, they have a good pos 4 that might lead to their good run this tournament. Not surprised with Team Secret though but VP is just amazing too.

[GreatArkansas]

The attitude of Team Nigma, if you have been following them even before they always get into the lower bracket. I don't know if that's sort of strategy to them or they are just adding intense so it's more challenging for them to win when they reach the Semi Finals.

I think that is a strategy or maybe they are trying something else. I think it is a bit of the Path of least resistance but I think they have a strategy in mind. It is Kuroky so we don't really need to be worried about it. I think people would also look at Team Navi right now, they have a good pos 4 that might lead to their good run this tournament. Not surprised with Team Secret though but VP is just amazing too.

Team Nigma's favorite line "Upper Bracket's for bitches" hahaha, you can watch the clip here: Video Clip in Facebook, this is back on the day when they are still Team Liquid. But still, I think they are still doing their what started, lowers bracket then up to the championship 
What team I am looking forward also now is the Virtuous Pro, after RAMZES left the team and moved to Evil Genuises, I want Virtuous Pro to prove something even RAMZES left, this team is too strong before on some majors.

[ryzaadit]

Team Nigma's favorite line "Upper Bracket's for bitches" hahaha, you can watch the clip here: Video Clip in Facebook, this is back on the day when they are still Team Liquid. But still, I think they are still doing their what started, lowers bracket then up to the championship 

But when he losing on the lower bracket.

"You are not the clown, but the entire circus"

As always, memes about "Team Nigma" always be funny cause most of the fand boy was really overrated on miracle. From my group Dota 2 Indonesia called "Keluh Basah Bermain Dota 2" Went team nigma losing we always bully the fans with that quote. Of course, we add more salty like this "This is the coffee and team nigma is the grout".

[Rosilito]

The attitude of Team Nigma, if you have been following them even before they always get into the lower bracket. I don't know if that's sort of strategy to them or they are just adding intense so it's more challenging for them to win when they reach the Semi Finals.

I think that is a strategy or maybe they are trying something else. I think it is a bit of the Path of least resistance but I think they have a strategy in mind. It is Kuroky so we don't really need to be worried about it. I think people would also look at Team Navi right now, they have a good pos 4 that might lead to their good run this tournament. Not surprised with Team Secret though but VP is just amazing too.

Team Nigma's favorite line "Upper Bracket's for bitches" hahaha, you can watch the clip here: Video Clip in Facebook, this is back on the day when they are still Team Liquid. But still, I think they are still doing their what started, lowers bracket then up to the championship 
What team I am looking forward also now is the Virtuous Pro, after RAMZES left the team and moved to Evil Genuises, I want Virtuous Pro to prove something even RAMZES left, this team is too strong before on some majors.

Seems a sort of strategy though. May be they are looking for an easier path directly to championship. No idea tbh but this is what I see lol, you know upper brackets consist of much more competitive, and formidable opponents. Nevertheless, whoever team comes down to lower bracket they just destroyed it, like what they did in TNC in the previous TI, the thing is, TNC doesn't have the momentum yet, and they seemed out of the pace that's they been shaken off by Liquid(which is team Nigma by now). But whatever, still rooting for TNC, on the other hand I wanna see OG's chemistry since majority of their players are now off.

[FlightyPouch]

What team I am looking forward also now is the Virtuous Pro, after RAMZES left the team and moved to Evil Genuises, I want Virtuous Pro to prove something even RAMZES left, this team is too strong before on some majors.

Well, we shouldn't be blaming RAMZESS for that one since it is really normal for esports to restart and I think RAMZESS feels his next challenge will be with Team EG. Right now, EG is not a participant in the major but RAMZESS is now a stand-in to NIP which is not having a good run, to be honest. I don't know what happened to PPD but I can say that he is one of the best players in the past, he is even nominated for Best Esport Player of the year, he didn't win it though.

Seems a sort of strategy though. May be they are looking for an easier path directly to championship. No idea tbh but this is what I see lol, you know upper brackets consist of much more competitive, and formidable opponents. Nevertheless, whoever team comes down to lower bracket they just destroyed it, like what they did in TNC in the previous TI, the thing is, TNC doesn't have the momentum yet, and they seemed out of the pace that's they been shaken off by Liquid(which is team Nigma by now). But whatever, still rooting for TNC, on the other hand I wanna see OG's chemistry since majority of their players are now off.

They are the ones expected to win the tournament and although they lost, that lower bracket run is just amazing. They did not drop a single loss starting from TNC until the quarterfinals where they dropped their first loss to PSG-LGD which I think is normal since it is a Chinese powerhouse. In terms of TNC, I don't know what is happening to them right now but they started this DPC season with a great run winning two majors and then they just lost easily in the next tournament, they are still not consistent. They are the number one DPC team this season but they are not showing something amazing after a two major wins.

[sunsilk]

The attitude of Team Nigma, if you have been following them even before they always get into the lower bracket. I don't know if that's sort of strategy to them or they are just adding intense so it's more challenging for them to win when they reach the Semi Finals.

I think that is a strategy or maybe they are trying something else. I think it is a bit of the Path of least resistance but I think they have a strategy in mind. It is Kuroky so we don't really need to be worried about it. I think people would also look at Team Navi right now, they have a good pos 4 that might lead to their good run this tournament. Not surprised with Team Secret though but VP is just amazing too.

It's been show many times and it happened in the main tournaments like The International. Remember the TI7, if my memory serves right, they came from the lower bracket and won the aegis with a straight 3-0.

But watching them being crushed by OG last TI, showed that they are more determined now and want to be back as the kings. Just an update, Nigma will fight against Gambit. This is also a good team to bet with but if you are a Nigma fan, of course you'll go with Kuroky.

[stomachgrowls]

The attitude of Team Nigma, if you have been following them even before they always get into the lower bracket. I don't know if that's sort of strategy to them or they are just adding intense so it's more challenging for them to win when they reach the Semi Finals.

I think that is a strategy or maybe they are trying something else. I think it is a bit of the Path of least resistance but I think they have a strategy in mind. It is Kuroky so we don't really need to be worried about it. I think people would also look at Team Navi right now, they have a good pos 4 that might lead to their good run this tournament. Not surprised with Team Secret though but VP is just amazing too.

It's been show many times and it happened in the main tournaments like The International. Remember the TI7, if my memory serves right, they came from the lower bracket and won the aegis with a straight 3-0.

But watching them being crushed by OG last TI, showed that they are more determined now and want to be back as the kings. Just an update, Nigma will fight against Gambit. This is also a good team to bet with but if you are a Nigma fan, of course you'll go with Kuroky.

There were some teams that really changed up roster and made their own names... Just like what happen on TNC which is my favorite where its original members are already in
GEEKfam and previous Liquid members are now NIGMA. Even the previous VP where ramzess is still there.. you can really differentiate their plays and teamwork into those original members.
Nigma vs Gambit? Nigma ofcourse but they been fucked up by Gambit by 2-0  

[turkandjaydee]

It's been show many times and it happened in the main tournaments like The International. Remember the TI7, if my memory serves right, they came from the lower bracket and won the aegis with a straight 3-0.

Team Nigma's favorite line "Upper Bracket's for bitches" hahaha, you can watch the clip here: Video Clip in Facebook, this is back on the day when they are still Team Liquid. But still, I think they are still doing their what started, lowers bracket then up to the championship 

Maybe it's true, but also maybe it's not for every tournament  .

I once believed in that too, but then I become more suspicious because of this Twitch Clip and Nigma Vs Alliance Script?
Nigma or Old Liquid really likes to mess up people's predictions 

I don't really know whether it's true or not tho 

[Janation]

There were some teams that really changed up roster and made their own names... Just like what happen on TNC which is my favorite where its original members are already in GEEKfam and previous Liquid members are now NIGMA. Even the previous VP where ramzess is still there.. you can really differentiate their plays and teamwork into those original members.

That really depends on the players since they are or they've been together for a long time now.

RAMZESS is said to be close to EG players that is why Bulba, coach of EG, invited him to be part of the team. TNC is also the same as far as I know, the past carry of TNC, Raven invited KuKu to play with them. They would obviously change their plays and teamwork as these teams have different styles of playing. For example, OG is one of the best aggressive teams in the world, Secret with their picks, Nigma with their low bracket comebacks and Fnatic sometimes Mineski for their amazing comeback games. Each team has different styles, that is why when new players are being added into their roster, they will be needing a lot of time to do practices with new strats and new picks.

[Fundamentals Of]

It's been show many times and it happened in the main tournaments like The International. Remember the TI7, if my memory serves right, they came from the lower bracket and won the aegis with a straight 3-0.

Team Nigma's favorite line "Upper Bracket's for bitches" hahaha, you can watch the clip here: Video Clip in Facebook, this is back on the day when they are still Team Liquid. But still, I think they are still doing their what started, lowers bracket then up to the championship 

Maybe it's true, but also maybe it's not for every tournament  .

I once believed in that too, but then I become more suspicious because of this Twitch Clip and Nigma Vs Alliance Script?
Nigma or Old Liquid really likes to mess up people's predictions 

I don't really know whether it's true or not tho 

One thing is very clear, no team wanted to belong in the lower bracket when they can position themselves in the upper bracket. Liquid was in the upper bracket. They actually had the best record in group A. If they intend to play in the lower bracket then why play so much effort in the group stages? It makes no sense.

[Janation]

It's been show many times and it happened in the main tournaments like The International. Remember the TI7, if my memory serves right, they came from the lower bracket and won the aegis with a straight 3-0.

Team Nigma's favorite line "Upper Bracket's for bitches" hahaha, you can watch the clip here: Video Clip in Facebook, this is back on the day when they are still Team Liquid. But still, I think they are still doing their what started, lowers bracket then up to the championship 

Maybe it's true, but also maybe it's not for every tournament  .

I once believed in that too, but then I become more suspicious because of this Twitch Clip and Nigma Vs Alliance Script?
Nigma or Old Liquid really likes to mess up people's predictions 

I don't really know whether it's true or not tho 

One thing is very clear, no team wanted to belong in the lower bracket when they can position themselves in the upper bracket. Liquid was in the upper bracket. They actually had the best record in group A. If they intend to play in the lower bracket then why play so much effort in the group stages? It makes no sense.

I agree with that.

Here's the flaw in this idea. Let's say we have a team and we are in the upper bracket. If we win, we will be continuing at that bracket but if we lose we will be in the lower bracket. What is the difference? You see, you only had one chance in the lower bracket. You lose one series, you're done with that tournament. Bye-bye, we will be seeing you at the airport that easy after months and months of tinkering of strats and practices. The proof that Liquid did not drop a series in their lower bracket means they are determined to win the TI. Strat or not, it is a risk.

[sunsilk]

It's been show many times and it happened in the main tournaments like The International. Remember the TI7, if my memory serves right, they came from the lower bracket and won the aegis with a straight 3-0.

But watching them being crushed by OG last TI, showed that they are more determined now and want to be back as the kings. Just an update, Nigma will fight against Gambit. This is also a good team to bet with but if you are a Nigma fan, of course you'll go with Kuroky.

There were some teams that really changed up roster and made their own names... Just like what happen on TNC which is my favorite where its original members are already in
GEEKfam and previous Liquid members are now NIGMA. Even the previous VP where ramzess is still there.. you can really differentiate their plays and teamwork into those original members.
Nigma vs Gambit? Nigma ofcourse but they been fucked up by Gambit by 2-0  

TNC won't be the same and just like the other teams that keep on shifting and replacing their roster. I bet that many didn't expect what will be the result of Nigma's match against Gambit.

As I've said, they're also a good team.

I've been following the team but I just don't like them however I recognize how strong and good they are.

[FlightyPouch]

I've been following the team but I just don't like them however I recognize how strong and good they are.

Which team? TNC? Nigma? Gambit? They are all a good team, TNC won two major this DPC season and in the 1st rank in terms of DPC points. Nigma won the WePlay against Team Secret which is a good thing. Gambit is also great despite them not being that favorite and popular, they have some good runs this year and I think they could also have a good run this tournament. Bit worried about Nigma but they are the kings of the lower bracket so I think that is fine.

[turkandjaydee]

TNC won two major this DPC season and in the 1st rank in terms of DPC points.

TNC is a good team and was able to give a hard game for some tier 1 teams. But actually, TNC won major 2 times because of most of tier 1 teams were not playing in those tournaments. And now they're really struggling even in just SEA regional.


Today's match report


I didn't watch the entire series of NIP vs ChFight so I can't say anything about that match.
But for Alliance vs TSpirit, this series is fun to watch because they made a few big throws/chokes in their 2 losing games. The last match was quite intense tho.
People who bet on TSpirit in this series are pretty lucky 

[FlightyPouch]

TNC won two major this DPC season and in the 1st rank in terms of DPC points.

TNC is a good team and was able to give a hard game for some tier 1 teams. But actually, TNC won major 2 times because of most of tier 1 teams were not playing in those tournaments. And now they're really struggling even in just SEA regional.

I don't know how people describe their Tier 1 teams but for me, it is those teams that can win Minors and Majors, TNC did win 2 tournaments, and 1 of them is a Premier, my mistake, making them a tier 1 team. tier 1 not playing in that tournament? How about VG? EG? IG? These teams are TI contenders and I don't think they are not a tier 1 team especially EG and VG. A win is a win, and I don't think we should look at who the players are. TNC could sit comfortably right now and be ready for the TI, they don't need DPC points right now since they are automatically invited at TI10, it is a possible reason why they are not that desperate to win minors and majors or even Premiers anymore. To be clear though, I am not a fan of TNC but their achievements are the fruit of their hard work. They can't win a major, they would be bullied, now that they won tournaments back to back they would be still bullied, they don't deserve it since they work hard for it. It is not their fault that those "tier 1 teams" that you know are not invited or went through the qualifiers.

[DarkStar_]

Anyone know if there's a good source to see which teams gets the first of each objective (roshan, tower, barracks)? I can't seem to find any sources that state the team, and only sources that give the total count, which doesn't really help if I check the map stats later on in the match.

Also, worth nothing that Stake is offering a ESL Dota 2 promotion that gives you a refund if your team wins the first map but loses the game in a bo3 for up to $50. I've been saved quite a few times by the promotion 
If you haven't played at Stake before, sign up for a new account and PM me your username, I should be able to get you a no deposit bonus to play with and withdraw as well 

[GreatArkansas]

Anyone know if there's a good source to see which teams gets the first of each objective (roshan, tower, barracks)? I can't seem to find any sources that state the team, and only sources that give the total count, which doesn't really help if I check the map stats later on in the match.
(.....)

I think TrackDota.com(https://www.trackdota.com/) will help you, you can also use that to observe the Live games and there is an action log of what happening/happened in the game, like towers(tier 1/2/3), barracks, Roshan / who picked aegis or killed/death by time, you can also use this to check the history of the match without watching video anymore.
I don't if this is exactly what you want, I hope it helps.

[Janation]

Anyone know if there's a good source to see which teams gets the first of each objective (roshan, tower, barracks)? I can't seem to find any sources that state the team, and only sources that give the total count, which doesn't really help if I check the map stats later on in the match.

I don't think you would be finding a match analyzer that is so specific like that.

There are a lot of platforms that you can search but not that specific. If you really wanted to do that though, you could just search the Match ID and download the replay. In the past that I am practicing to coach a team, that is what I am doing though we have a different goal in mind. If you don't want that, try TrueSight in dotabuff then surf through the Combat Logs, that might do it.

[GDragon]

I agree with that.

Here's the flaw in this idea. Let's say we have a team and we are in the upper bracket. If we win, we will be continuing at that bracket but if we lose we will be in the lower bracket. What is the difference? You see, you only had one chance in the lower bracket. You lose one series, you're done with that tournament. Bye-bye, we will be seeing you at the airport that easy after months and months of tinkering of strats and practices. The proof that Liquid did not drop a series in their lower bracket means they are determined to win the TI. Strat or not, it is a risk.

This was my idea too! No team would want to be in the lower bracket just for a strat. Unless they are really confident that they are strong and can really destroy every team that will be in their line. Somehow, if they are really strong, why don't they just continue winning until they've come to the finals? The lower bracket wouldn't be an easy path too.

Somehow it is nonsense for me, because those pro players already know how unpredictable Dota2 can be, A wrong pick and a wrong play can cause them so much. And this is a competitive scene, they just do everything to win. A strong team can lose in a moment. They know how hard it is to win against other players. No one would have know how much a weak team improved in just months. So they can't underestimate every team in the lower bracket. There were so much aspects to think of.

[mu_enrico]

I think TrackDota.com(https://www.trackdota.com/) will help you, you can also use that to observe the Live games and there is an action log of what happening/happened in the game, like towers(tier 1/2/3), barracks, Roshan / who picked aegis or killed/death by time, you can also use this to check the history of the match without watching video anymore.
I don't if this is exactly what you want, I hope it helps.

I never use it, personally I like dotabuff since it also track my MMR (years ago).
For example for Team Secret vs NAVI: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5344757422/objectives
Just type anything in the search box (objective log), let's say "roshan", and whoila:

25:08 The Radiant killed Roshan
36:54 The Dire killed Roshan
50:52 The Radiant killed Roshan

[imstillthebest]

Anyone know if there's a good source to see which teams gets the first of each objective (roshan, tower, barracks)? I can't seem to find any sources that state the team, and only sources that give the total count, which doesn't really help if I check the map stats later on in the match.

I don't think you would be finding a match analyzer that is so specific like that.

There are a lot of platforms that you can search but not that specific. If you really wanted to do that though, you could just search the Match ID and download the replay. In the past that I am practicing to coach a team, that is what I am doing though we have a different goal in mind. If you don't want that, try TrueSight in dotabuff then surf through the Combat Logs, that might do it.

yeah ive never seen it too  .  our best chance is just watch the game on live or watch replay if we want to find out which team will get those resources first   . just like anygames   . dota is pretty upredictable too  ,  you wouldnt know that the opposite team prepares a new strat that have never seen before  but hunting those resources mentioned above are always be the priority of every teams to farm gold and to take advantage of the early game  . thats cool bro janation  , i just know that ur a coach before but how bout know  are you still doing that   ?

[Janation]

I agree with that.

Here's the flaw in this idea. Let's say we have a team and we are in the upper bracket. If we win, we will be continuing at that bracket but if we lose we will be in the lower bracket. What is the difference? You see, you only had one chance in the lower bracket. You lose one series, you're done with that tournament. Bye-bye, we will be seeing you at the airport that easy after months and months of tinkering of strats and practices. The proof that Liquid did not drop a series in their lower bracket means they are determined to win the TI. Strat or not, it is a risk.

This was my idea too! No team would want to be in the lower bracket just for a strat. Unless they are really confident that they are strong and can really destroy every team that will be in their line. Somehow, if they are really strong, why don't they just continue winning until they've come to the finals? The lower bracket wouldn't be an easy path too.

Somehow it is nonsense for me, because those pro players already know how unpredictable Dota2 can be, A wrong pick and a wrong play can cause them so much. And this is a competitive scene, they just do everything to win. A strong team can lose in a moment. They know how hard it is to win against other players. No one would have know how much a weak team improved in just months. So they can't underestimate every team in the lower bracket. There were so much aspects to think of.

Every team has something under their sleeve, they don't just go to tournaments and went with it without practicing a lot of combos and heroes and strats.

Team Liquid's lower bracket unstoppable run is now written in history as one of the best series in the TI. It is a great run and the fact that Team Liquid did not drop a single loss in that run means they are really proving that they should be in the UB.

thats cool bro janation  , i just know that ur a coach before but how bout know  are you still doing that   ?

It seems awesome but it is not that big of a deal, really.

I found this analyzer and analyze games since I am playing with this squad for some time. I am giving them picks since we are wanting to achieve a certain rank from counters to combos but that is a while ago now, that is like in 7.20 map. I am still going to school at that time but right now, I am just a fan and also bet on some of the matches.

[sunsilk]

I've been following the team but I just don't like them however I recognize how strong and good they are.

Which team? TNC? Nigma? Gambit? They are all a good team, TNC won two major this DPC season and in the 1st rank in terms of DPC points. Nigma won the WePlay against Team Secret which is a good thing. Gambit is also great despite them not being that favorite and popular, they have some good runs this year and I think they could also have a good run this tournament. Bit worried about Nigma but they are the kings of the lower bracket so I think that is fine.

I'm pointing to Gambit Esports.

I'm aware of the achievements of TNC Pro Team and they're already qualified to the next The International and obviously, the tournament that we're discussing is about the ESL ONE LA Online. I can consider Gambit is likely the darkhorse just like Wings but there's more to go for this elimination round.

The strategy that Gambit showed against their match with Nigma, the weaver + grimstroke combo supports is lit and amazing. I have never thought of that strategy. I guess more of the meta and strategy like this is coming out soon when the brackets goes to playoffs.

[turkandjaydee]

I don't know how people describe their Tier 1 teams but for me, it is those teams that can win Minors and Majors

Not for me, because what I've said before.

TNC won major 2 times because of most of tier 1 teams were not playing in those tournaments.

And for me, the tier 1 team must have consistently good performance. But look at TNC now, they're even struggling in the qualifier.

tier 1 not playing in that tournament? How about VG? EG? IG?

I didn't say "all", please read it again.


By the way, Virtus Pro is really onfire right now. They just won 2-0 against Vikin.gg who had defeated OG before. And not only that, even the 2nd game is only 13 mins which is the shortest game in this tournament so far.

[thekrakennnm]

Personally I'd like VP to win but it's more likely Secret or Nigma will place 1st since both of these teams look really strong rn.

[boyptc]

Personally I'd like VP to win but it's more likely Secret or Nigma will place 1st since both of these teams look really strong rn.

VP is stronger with the older squad together with Rodjer and Ramzes.

Don't forget about OG, they're also strong. Group stage isn't that much as long as they qualify to the playoffs and that's when the real tournament starts.

[finaleshot2016]

Personally I'd like VP to win but it's more likely Secret or Nigma will place 1st since both of these teams look really strong rn.

VP is stronger with the older squad together with Rodjer and Ramzes.

Don't forget about OG, they're also strong. Group stage isn't that much as long as they qualify to the playoffs and that's when the real tournament starts.

This is their 3rd time major that they wanted to participate in. OG with Sumail? I guess the major champion is already decided. Those long breaks will literally make burn again in the group stage until playoffs.

They'll gonna win against the odds so if this major wasn't cancelled, you better bet on OG.

Since the event is cancelled, we should talk about other events of dota 2 eSports.

• ESL One Los Angeles Major cancelled

[stomachgrowls]

Personally I'd like VP to win but it's more likely Secret or Nigma will place 1st since both of these teams look really strong rn.

VP is stronger with the older squad together with Rodjer and Ramzes.

Don't forget about OG, they're also strong. Group stage isn't that much as long as they qualify to the playoffs and that's when the real tournament starts.

I do prefer the old squad of VP and knowing this team is included to be on top tier.I dont have track on the current
performance of the new roster atm.

VP is stronger with the older squad together with Rodjer and Ramzes.

Don't forget about OG, they're also strong. Group stage isn't that much as long as they qualify to the playoffs and that's when the real tournament starts.
This is their 3rd time major that they wanted to participate in. OG with Sumail? I guess the major champion is already decided.

I cant deny that OG is still strong on new roster but i do still prefer the old one where ana,topson and ceb. I cant still say that the champion is already decided to OG.

[turkandjaydee]

Since the event is cancelled, we should talk about other events of dota 2 eSports.

• ESL One Los Angeles Major cancelled

Its no surprise and somewhat anticipated already.As long this pandemic isnt over yet then cancellation is the norm.

Bruhh, it has become an online tournament. We talked about this in the first few pages.

Even the tournament is already started a few weeks ago and there is only 1 region left that is still ongoing which is EU & CIS (
This tournament is divided into separate regions).

if you want to get information about Dota 2 tournaments that is always up to date, please follow this Dota 2 Liquipedia

[boyptc]

Personally I'd like VP to win but it's more likely Secret or Nigma will place 1st since both of these teams look really strong rn.

VP is stronger with the older squad together with Rodjer and Ramzes.

Don't forget about OG, they're also strong. Group stage isn't that much as long as they qualify to the playoffs and that's when the real tournament starts.

This is their 3rd time major that they wanted to participate in. OG with Sumail? I guess the major champion is already decided. Those long breaks will literally make burn again in the group stage until playoffs.

They'll gonna win against the odds so if this major wasn't cancelled, you better bet on OG.

Since the event is cancelled, we should talk about other events of dota 2 eSports.

• ESL One Los Angeles Major cancelled

I wouldn't be sure about OG taking the crown on this tourney.

There's still a long way to go for them and there are a lot of teams included in this tournament that are also strong and can't ignore the accomplishments.

[Janation]

I don't know how people describe their Tier 1 teams but for me, it is those teams that can win Minors and Majors

Not for me, because what I've said before.

TNC won major 2 times because of most of tier 1 teams were not playing in those tournaments.

And for me, the tier 1 team must have consistently good performance. But look at TNC now, they're even struggling in the qualifier.

tier 1 not playing in that tournament? How about VG? EG? IG?

I didn't say "all", please read it again.

Oh yeah! The tier 1 team discussion, that's still debatable. But I just let them you all describe what tier 1 team is.

For now, I will be going with OG as a tierless team since they go beyond expectations. The casters didn't even know what to say to this team. Despite their loss against Viking that I don't even understand what they are doing especially game 2, they did amazing. Despite their gap, they can quickly assess mistakes from their opponents, it could be shown when they killed alche in that game 2. VP did well against Viking and there are those people thinking that VP is better than OG since they lost to Viking, that's funny though. I don't know when will Team OG gets serious but it is like that they're just having fun.

I wouldn't be sure about OG taking the crown on this tourney.

There's still a long way to go for them and there are a lot of teams included in this tournament that are also strong and can't ignore the accomplishments.

Despite my support on OG, I also agree on this one.

It is not the OG that won the TI back to back. There is no Topson, no Jerax and no Ana but still , there is Ceb and Notail, the minds behind the organization. Team Secret can win this tournament, the same with other teams. We can't really base on what they accomplished so far since Dendi is trying hard to get in a major for so long and this chance is not that good also since they are not having a good run, we'll see though. My bet teams to win this tournament will be OG, Secret, Nigma and Alliance. It will be great if VP won but I think they will choke at the end.

[FlightyPouch]

I don't know how people describe their Tier 1 teams but for me, it is those teams that can win Minors and Majors

Not for me, because what I've said before.

TNC won major 2 times because of most of tier 1 teams were not playing in those tournaments.

And for me, the tier 1 team must have consistently good performance. But look at TNC now, they're even struggling in the qualifier.

tier 1 not playing in that tournament? How about VG? EG? IG?

I didn't say "all", please read it again.

Well, we have our own opinion. That's yours, there's mine too.

Personally I'd like VP to win but it's more likely Secret or Nigma will place 1st since both of these teams look really strong rn.

VP is stronger with the older squad together with Rodjer and Ramzes.

Don't forget about OG, they're also strong. Group stage isn't that much as long as they qualify to the playoffs and that's when the real tournament starts.

I do prefer the old squad of VP and knowing this team is included to be on top tier.I dont have track on the current
performance of the new roster atm.

VP is stronger with the older squad together with Rodjer and Ramzes.

Don't forget about OG, they're also strong. Group stage isn't that much as long as they qualify to the playoffs and that's when the real tournament starts.
This is their 3rd time major that they wanted to participate in. OG with Sumail? I guess the major champion is already decided.

I cant deny that OG is still strong on new roster but i do still prefer the old one where ana,topson and ceb. I cant still say that the champion is already decided to OG.

We will be seeing who really is the best in this tournament with OG and VP match taking place today. I like to bet on VP since they have the odds but I would still bet on OG since I know they would be able to break the continuous win of VP. I did not watch some of the games yesterday since I am so pumped with the CSGO's semifinal ESL Pro League 11 where Mousesports just took down Astralis.

[boyptc]

I wouldn't be sure about OG taking the crown on this tourney.

There's still a long way to go for them and there are a lot of teams included in this tournament that are also strong and can't ignore the accomplishments.

Despite my support on OG, I also agree on this one.

It is not the OG that won the TI back to back. There is no Topson, no Jerax and no Ana but still , there is Ceb and Notail, the minds behind the organization. Team Secret can win this tournament, the same with other teams. We can't really base on what they accomplished so far since Dendi is trying hard to get in a major for so long and this chance is not that good also since they are not having a good run, we'll see though. My bet teams to win this tournament will be OG, Secret, Nigma and Alliance. It will be great if VP won but I think they will choke at the end.

I can't find further opinion about that but I like OG is still being OG.

They are aggressively good but different in rosters and we can move on with that because the current and present is what we've been dealing with. VP is the top 1 on the group A standings but it's still early to assume things.

[GreatArkansas]

Upcoming matches for the Europe & CIS region.
Virtus Pro which still undefeated has overtaken OG for being rank 1 in group A, while Team Secret remains top 1 in Group B and still undefeated for this entire Online tournament.
I'm excited about the first matchup of Virtus Pro Vs. OG today, this could be a huge match for the Group A today, let's tune in.

[Janation]

I wouldn't be sure about OG taking the crown on this tourney.

There's still a long way to go for them and there are a lot of teams included in this tournament that are also strong and can't ignore the accomplishments.

Despite my support on OG, I also agree on this one.

It is not the OG that won the TI back to back. There is no Topson, no Jerax and no Ana but still , there is Ceb and Notail, the minds behind the organization. Team Secret can win this tournament, the same with other teams. We can't really base on what they accomplished so far since Dendi is trying hard to get in a major for so long and this chance is not that good also since they are not having a good run, we'll see though. My bet teams to win this tournament will be OG, Secret, Nigma and Alliance. It will be great if VP won but I think they will choke at the end.

I can't find further opinion about that but I like OG is still being OG.

They are aggressively good but different in rosters and we can move on with that because the current and present is what we've been dealing with. VP is the top 1 on the group A standings but it's still early to assume things.

We will be seeing that in an hour.

VP and OG will be facing their first match in the tournament and we will see how will VP react to picks of OG since it is the team that is so confusing and you don't really know what is happening to NoTail and Ceb's mind. VP usually likes to counter pick, that is why they are at the top right now. It is also funny that some fans and even the casters are saying that Viking is said to don't win games without an Alche pick.

[FlightyPouch]

We will be seeing that in an hour.

VP and OG will be facing their first match in the tournament and we will see how will VP react to picks of OG since it is the team that is so confusing and you don't really know what is happening to NoTail and Ceb's mind. VP usually likes to counter pick, that is why they are at the top right now. It is also funny that some fans and even the casters are saying that Viking is said to don't win games without an Alche pick.

Watched the game and from that, we can really conclude that VP is the better team than OG right now. As you said, VP is the winner because of the picks they've been doing. OG is quite unpredictable when it comes to picking a lineup but VP did some good picks despite the adjustments OG did. VP did not just win against OG, they stomped OG.

[GreatArkansas]

We will be seeing that in an hour.

VP and OG will be facing their first match in the tournament and we will see how will VP react to picks of OG since it is the team that is so confusing and you don't really know what is happening to NoTail and Ceb's mind. VP usually likes to counter pick, that is why they are at the top right now. It is also funny that some fans and even the casters are saying that Viking is said to don't win games without an Alche pick.

Watched the game and from that, we can really conclude that VP is the better team than OG right now. As you said, VP is the winner because of the picks they've been doing. OG is quite unpredictable when it comes to picking a lineup but VP did some good picks despite the adjustments OG did. VP did not just win against OG, they stomped OG.

Damn! Virtus Pro played well there against OG. It was a flawless victory for Virtus Pro with (2-0).
This Group is really unpredictable, VP is still rank 1 in the Group A and still no losses.
Do you think OG is too confident for this tournament because of their lineups?
I think the original lineups will much do better compare to this tournament's line up.

[turkandjaydee]

Well, we have our own opinion. That's yours, there's mine too.

Yes of course, but I'm just being realistic since it will affect my betting decision. No hard feeling

By the way, I will follow this BTS Pro Series: Southeast Asia and maybe the result will renew my opinion about SEA teams.

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Even VP was stomping OG really hard in the first match  
 
VP is really strong in this group stage, I think it almost guaranteed that they will stay at the top in this stage.
But of course, based on the many previous tournaments, the main stage situation will be different (not 100% tho).

[FlightyPouch]

Even VP was stomping OG really hard in the first match  

So true! Never thought that VP was this prepared for this tournament but I was mistaken. As far as I know, VP is already in the upper bracket and I guess Team Secret will be following them in the next days. We'll see how long VP would be able to do their run flawlessly.

By the way, I will follow this BTS Pro Series: Southeast Asia and maybe the result will renew my opinion about SEA teams.

Well, there are still good teams in the SEA especially right now Fnatic since they are having a good run and they even won the online ES One LA tournament facing Adroit at the finals and right now, they are unstoppable without dropping a loss in BTS Pro Series. TNC is now in that bracket and with one loss on the board against BOOM while they won against GeekFam so I think TNC is still inconsistent here.

[Janation]

Even VP was stomping OG really hard in the first match  

So true! Never thought that VP was this prepared for this tournament but I was mistaken. As far as I know, VP is already in the upper bracket and I guess Team Secret will be following them in the next days. We'll see how long VP would be able to do their run flawlessly.

By the way, I will follow this BTS Pro Series: Southeast Asia and maybe the result will renew my opinion about SEA teams.

Well, there are still good teams in the SEA especially right now Fnatic since they are having a good run and they even won the online ES One LA tournament facing Adroit at the finals and right now, they are unstoppable without dropping a loss in BTS Pro Series. TNC is now in that bracket and with one loss on the board against BOOM while they won against GeekFam so I think TNC is still inconsistent here.

OG did great too but VP did better.

This is just great since VP is showing they are also a Tier 1 team. The past days, VP faced Nigma and they also destroyed Nigma. That just proves how VP is determined to win this tournament. I might actually be wrong, VP might win this tournament but since we can't really say that they will not choke in the finals, the possibility is still there.

[GreatArkansas]

OG did great too but VP did better.

This is just great since VP is showing they are also a Tier 1 team. The past days, VP faced Nigma and they also destroyed Nigma. That just proves how VP is determined to win this tournament. I might actually be wrong, VP might win this tournament but since we can't really say that they will not choke in the finals, the possibility is still there.

Rainbow after the rain. Their original roster last season which is destroyed after the The International 2019, which RAMZES joined EG.
For me, this is really good for VP, especially if they will able to keep their plans for future tournaments, even before they are already a beast team in Europe & CIS. This could be a big slap for Ramzes.

[turkandjaydee]

Rainbow after the rain. Their original roster last season which is destroyed after the The International 2019, which RAMZES joined EG.
For me, this is really good for VP, especially if they will able to keep their plans for future tournaments, even before they are already a beast team in Europe & CIS. This could be a big slap for Ramzes.

Well, they need to do something regarding their TI results from time to time. They're always unable to give a good performance at TI and the pressure is really big for them.

So roster change is a common way for Dota 2 teams to keep from getting stuck in the same performance. Even there are many teams that also change their roster back then.
And the result can be better, but it also can be worse. But at least they're not doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

I believe the roster change from VP before was the best way for both Ramzes and VP.


By the way, Team Secret have also secured their position in Playoffs. I'm looking forward to seeing a big match in the upper bracket 

[Janation]

OG did great too but VP did better.

This is just great since VP is showing they are also a Tier 1 team. The past days, VP faced Nigma and they also destroyed Nigma. That just proves how VP is determined to win this tournament. I might actually be wrong, VP might win this tournament but since we can't really say that they will not choke in the finals, the possibility is still there.

Rainbow after the rain. Their original roster last season which is destroyed after the The International 2019, which RAMZES joined EG.
For me, this is really good for VP, especially if they will able to keep their plans for future tournaments, even before they are already a beast team in Europe & CIS. This could be a big slap for Ramzes.

I think RAMZESS should be proud and this is not an insult to him.

When pro players leave teams like this since he left VP in good terms, they are wanting to improve themselves and usually, they thought it is good for the team as roster shuffles are usually talked by the team and the company itself. I think this is not a slap rather he is proud of what the team achieved right now. By the way, they won online in the NA division so I don't think he is really upset. If there would be one in the loss here, that would be VP since they lost RAMZESS.

[FlightyPouch]

By the way, Team Secret have also secured their position in Playoffs. I'm looking forward to seeing a big match in the upper bracket 

Also excited how Team Secret will perform after their loss in the last tournament they joined which is the WePlay where they lose against Nigma. VP is also a team to look out for, the as Chicken Fighters and Viking.gg. A bit disappointed with the performance of Nigma, Alliance, B8 and Cyber Legacy. I thought they could do better.

[ralle14]

By the way, Team Secret have also secured their position in Playoffs. I'm looking forward to seeing a big match in the upper bracket 

Also excited how Team Secret will perform after their loss in the last tournament they joined which is the WePlay where they lose against Nigma. VP is also a team to look out for, the as Chicken Fighters and Viking.gg. A bit disappointed with the performance of Nigma, Alliance, B8 and Cyber Legacy. I thought they could do better.

That online tournament hosted by WePlay was more of a showmatch or scrims so that loss against Team Nigma probably wouldn't affect them. I honestly think they'll advance easily in the upper bracket and likely to win the tournament. Alliance's bad results was already expected imo since they've lost two of their best players and immediately look for other players to fill them in just for the tournament.

[turkandjaydee]

A bit disappointed with the performance of Nigma, Alliance, B8 and Cyber Legacy. I thought they could do better.

This is not the time to be disappointed yet, at least Nigma and Alliance still have a chance to go to the Playoffs where there will be an elimination match and all of the teams will do their best.

That online tournament hosted by WePlay was more of a showmatch or scrims so that loss against Team Nigma probably wouldn't affect them.

True. Players shouldn't have done that but it's possible that some teams were just practicing their new strat or new draft in that tournament.

Alliance's bad results was already expected imo since they've lost two of their best players and immediately look for other players to fill them in just for the tournament.

There must be a special reason behind this roster change because they themselves surely know that this is a decision that should not be made at a time like this.
But its only Xibber who is just a standin right?

[FlightyPouch]

By the way, Team Secret have also secured their position in Playoffs. I'm looking forward to seeing a big match in the upper bracket 

Also excited how Team Secret will perform after their loss in the last tournament they joined which is the WePlay where they lose against Nigma. VP is also a team to look out for, the as Chicken Fighters and Viking.gg. A bit disappointed with the performance of Nigma, Alliance, B8 and Cyber Legacy. I thought they could do better.

I honestly think they'll advance easily in the upper bracket and likely to win the tournament. Alliance's bad results was already expected imo since they've lost two of their best players and immediately look for other players to fill them in just for the tournament.

Team Secret is one of the teams in the upper bracket so the possibility of them winning increased. They are joined by Team Spirit, OG, and VP. Team Secret will be facing OG in their first match in the upper bracket so this will be interesting since the same as VP, Team secret did not drop one match in their group, Group B. As VP will face Team Spirit that also showed a good run. The playoffs board is already completed and we will see if Team Nigma is still the team that dominates the lower bracket. Will they be able to have that unstoppable run again? We will see as their first match is against Chicken fighters lead by Sonneiko.

[Janation]

By the way, Team Secret have also secured their position in Playoffs. I'm looking forward to seeing a big match in the upper bracket 

Also excited how Team Secret will perform after their loss in the last tournament they joined which is the WePlay where they lose against Nigma. VP is also a team to look out for, the as Chicken Fighters and Viking.gg. A bit disappointed with the performance of Nigma, Alliance, B8 and Cyber Legacy. I thought they could do better.

I honestly think they'll advance easily in the upper bracket and likely to win the tournament. Alliance's bad results was already expected imo since they've lost two of their best players and immediately look for other players to fill them in just for the tournament.

Team Secret is one of the teams in the upper bracket so the possibility of them winning increased. They are joined by Team Spirit, OG, and VP. Team Secret will be facing OG in their first match in the upper bracket so this will be interesting since the same as VP, Team secret did not drop one match in their group, Group B. As VP will face Team Spirit that also showed a good run. The playoffs board is already completed and we will see if Team Nigma is still the team that dominates the lower bracket. Will they be able to have that unstoppable run again? We will see as their first match is against Chicken fighters lead by Sonneiko.

Game 1 just finished, Nigma against Chicken Fighters.

CF did a good fight holding the game to a long time but they can't really repel the forces of Nigma. I think the MVP here would be Mind Control since he did a lot of good plays, he is left out to level quickly bot against Axe which is just pulling creeps in the 2nd tier tower. I think Chicken Fighters would be taking their exit now in this tournament as we are seeing a LB Nigma.

[mu_enrico]

Anyone currently watches Alliance vs. Vikin.gg 2nd round? I think it will be a close match. Let's watch Zeus vs Brood
For those of you who just recently join the stream. In the 1st round, S4 sama picked Centaur but their draft is good at the early-mid game, so they won easily.

[turkandjaydee]

I think Chicken Fighters would be taking their exit now in this tournament as we are seeing a LB Nigma.

Nigma just lost so we won't see the Nigma's lower bracket beast mode again  . And surprisingly their sniper support strategy just got REKT  

But sadly we won't see the dramatic match between Team Secret (Matu) vs Nigma this time.


Today's attention is for the match between Team Secret and OG. I have no idea who will win so betting on one of these teams with a +1.5 handicap is the best choice.

Anyone currently watches Alliance vs. Vikin.gg 2nd round? I think it will be a close match. Let's watch Zeus vs Brood
For those of you who just recently join the stream. In the 1st round, S4 sama picked Centaur but their draft is good at the early-mid game, so they won easily.

It looks like Alliance will lose this 2nd game. Vikin.gg's heroes are more late-game heroes than Alliance's heroes but they (Vikin.gg) have dominated the game even since the mid-game.

[FlightyPouch]

I think Chicken Fighters would be taking their exit now in this tournament as we are seeing a LB Nigma.

Nigma just lost so we won't see the Nigma's lower bracket beast mode again  . And surprisingly their sniper support strategy just got REKT  

But sadly we won't see the dramatic match between Team Secret (Matu) vs Nigma this time.

They already fought in WePlay and I think there is no drama in these players as we see them hugging and talking in that tournament. Viking.gg just eliminated Alliance and it is really sad since they also have that advantage when they stole the rapier to AM. I think this is not their win so still, GG to them. Nigma is also eliminated and what I am observing is that most of the low tier teams are now showing their skills and I think this tournament is done online is the reason why what do you think guys?

[ralle14]

Crazy 3rd game with the Rapier being passed around. Viking's draft looks good on paper since they had two cores that could kite around during fights but what an execution by Alliance to take objectives early unfortunately Viking was able to hold for quite a while until Alliance's cores couldn't keep up with the farm and fell off.

Today's attention is for the match between Team Secret and OG. I have no idea who will win so betting on one of these teams with a +1.5 handicap is the best choice.

The handicap is close to even for OG but I think it's going to be another 2-0 for Secret unless they pick something unusual with their drafts.

Nigma is also eliminated and what I am observing is that most of the low tier teams are now showing their skills and I think this tournament is done online is the reason why what do you think guys?

Imo the biggest reason why some teams are not giving their best is because it's a non dpc event so there's not much to compete for other than the money.

[ryzaadit]

What insane comeback gameplay from OG.

40K Gold lead from Team Secret but still lose from OG with Gyrocopter and 3 rapiers, most of the instance match just like TI ~LOL. Without godson they still insane, if godson there more like can't believe what will happen .

This is the reason why everyone likes to see match from OG, they always can comeback with an impossible situation. Like me, not a fans from OG but always watching their match because of the insane moment from them.

[GreatArkansas]

Playoffs Bracket update

This playoff is really exciting, nice run for OG, flawless victory against the top seeder of Group B (Team Secret).
Again, in the upper bracket, Virtus Pro vs OG again, I think it's time for OG to get some revenge in Virtus Pro, the more OG in their original roster, the more they are stronger and serious.

Btw, props also in the lower bracket, Chicken Fighters for getting a win against Team Nigma, I don't believe anymore in Team Nigma's saying (Upper bracket is for B*tches  ). I am expected Team Nigma will take the win, although I bet on Chicken Fighters only for +1.5 map handicap.
While Alliance and Vikin.gg, also well-played to Alliance, they had a bad drafts against Vikin.gg.

[JanpriX]

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Playoffs Bracket update

This playoff is really exciting, nice run for OG, flawless victory against the top seeder of Group B (Team Secret).
Again, in the upper bracket, Virtus Pro vs OG again, I think it's time for OG to get some revenge in Virtus Pro, the more OG in their original roster, the more they are stronger and serious.

Btw, props also in the lower bracket, Chicken Fighters for getting a win against Team Nigma, I don't believe anymore in Team Nigma's saying (Upper bracket is for B*tches  ). I am expected Team Nigma will take the win, although I bet on Chicken Fighters only for +1.5 map handicap.
While Alliance and Vikin.gg, also well-played to Alliance, they had a bad drafts against Vikin.gg.

That game 2 of OG vs Team Secret was effing insane. Core Chen delighted me in many ways. I didn't play any Dota 2 game in the past 4 or 5 months but I'm still aware of its competitive scene, to say the least and that Chen pick in a core role made me giggle the whole match. What happened there was summarized in a very good way in this Tweet^[1].

Do you have any bets on the upcoming games? Would you mind posting it and I might tail it also.  

^[1]https://twitter.com/NahazDota/status/1251241131762999303

[ryzaadit]

Do you have any bets on the upcoming games? Would you mind posting it and I might tail it also.  

Try watch to this thread, he a tipster https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193560.0

Every day he shares free tips from esports like CSGO / Dota2, you can see his result on the spreadsheet.


Update about Dota2.

The interesting part is, the valve makes an update patch 7.26 in the middle of the tournament not after went the match OG Vs Team Secret is finish ~LOL.

 

A classic update from valve/dota2 went OG have insane gameplay they will nerf the heroes, but the interesting patch for this patch update is:

- This release is focused only on the following systemic changes. Once these changes settle a bit, there will be follow up hero and item specific adjustments.
- Attributes no longer provide Magic Resistance, Spell Amplification and Movement Speed for Strength, Intelligence and Agility respectively.
- Gold bounties reduced by 10% (affects buildings, lane creeps, neutrals and heroes)
- Kill streak gold is reduced by 50%

Source : https://www.dota2.com/patches/

The patch was nerfed for support hero, probably because chen core and less gold we can get if too much dominating the game ~LOL

What do you think, did puppey butthurt xD?

[sunsilk]

That game 2 of OG vs Team Secret was effing insane. Core Chen delighted me in many ways. I didn't play any Dota 2 game in the past 4 or 5 months but I'm still aware of its competitive scene, to say the least and that Chen pick in a core role made me giggle the whole match. What happened there was summarized in a very good way in this Tweet^[1].

It really was!

The strategy that they made was 4 supports/utilities and depended only on their carry. I didn't expect that 33 was this really good at playing Chen. With his past teams, he didn't play this much.

Maybe being peers with n0tail and Ceb actually helped him to put the potential that he has. I'm aware that he's just a sub on this tournament but he's really good and worth of commends.

[FlightyPouch]

Nigma is also eliminated and what I am observing is that most of the low tier teams are now showing their skills and I think this tournament is done online is the reason why what do you think guys?

Imo the biggest reason why some teams are not giving their best is because it's a non dpc event so there's not much to compete for other than the money.

Yeah, I agree. It is a coincidence since I've been communicating with my friends this afternoon about this and they also said that it is not a DPC tournament so teams are focussing on other upcoming tournaments like ONE Esports in Singapore. My friends are planning to watch some games but I am scared since the pandemic might still be a problem at that time.

[GreatArkansas]

Championship game now:
OG vs VP.
I'll go for game winner Virtus Pro. But I am also looking forward to bet on OG for +1.5 for map handicap still worried since the odds it's kinda not worth it.
Looking for some handicap bets here, like total games over/under.
Anyway, for Virtus Pro, they kinda unstoppable now, especially how they made a flawless 2-0 victory against OG at upper bracket lately.
Who will be your pick for the champion guys?

[ryzaadit]

Congratulation for Vitrus Pro (VP) can beat OG with score 3-2.

The match was really tense and tight but they can still beat OG on the Grand Final of ESL One LA. Let's see if they can do this again on the TI, see u guys around "May" went the announcement of TI will be held or not from "Valve" due to the pandemic still going until now.

From the past TI, they will announcement about Battlepas & TI around weeks 2 of May.

Source: https://afkgaming.com/articles/dota2/News/3723-The-2020-Battlepass-Set-to-Launch-Next-Week?

PS. Some memes about VP.

[GreatArkansas]

Congratulation for Vitrus Pro (VP) can beat OG with score 3-2.

The match was really tense and tight but they can still beat OG on the Grand Final of ESL One LA. Let's see if they can do this again on the TI, see u guys around "May" went the announcement of TI will be held or not from "Valve" due to the pandemic still going until now.

Flawless run for Virtus Pro in this tournament, they got no loss (not match) for the entire tournament. I really admire the team, their chemistry is good.
Hoping to see Virtus Pro will remain their line up in upcoming tournaments. I am happy for RESOLUTION this time, this guy is a great core player especially before, I hope Virtus Pro is the right team for him and they will continue to strive harder.

I will lock this thread now, thanks to all! Onto the next tournament!