Fortunejack refusing to pay 5 BTC *STAY FAR AWAY*

[allahabadi]

Every single claim of this type brought against FortuneJack has been false AFAIK. Therefore, please provide evidence or close the thread.

Ahem Ahem

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3463720.60 (This claim of shady act on part of FJ was TRUE and they did give the guy his money back, but after much pestering.) Looks like the sign wearers also hv to sell der soul.

@OP see this and do provide more proofs.

My statement holds true. Read it again and take some English lessons. OP has no case until proven otherwise.


Cheers.

I never said OP had a case, read again I said present more proofs if possible.

But yeah your statement that none such claim has been True is a lie clearly, since I presented a claim that was TRUE.


P.S.
My English is far better than yours, so suck it.

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[AlexSimion]

Gona put here the official response from FortuneJack in case they won't post in this thread aswell

Hello everyone, here’s the second part of the report that we’ve been working on:

First of all, we would love to once again clarify what the actual meaning of the term ‘last IP’ is, which was included into the screenshot above. It’s the IP address that the certain user used for the last time of logging in into the FJ account.

On another hand, the IP address (107.77.204.49/) that was placed into the search filter is the one that was used by both of the users while logging in as well as playing onto FortuneJack platform.

As for amelik2 case:

Here we’re sharing one more IP address that gets linked to both of the accounts:





Please take a look at the history of the IP addresses that have been involved with each of the username:



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Additionally, both of the accounts were registered onto the same date:



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We’ve decided to restrict patdugan with the functionality of adding new positions to the upcoming tickets (under the campaign called the ‘Control Your Game’) and after doing it so, he/she logged into the username of amelik2 and bypassed the previous restriction of ours by utilizing other account.



Here’s the screen that showcases that the amelik2 has not been logged into the account for a while and only after patdugan receiving the restriction, it gets immediately into action:




P.S – most of you might have already payed attention to the fact that there are already 3 users under the IP of 107.77.204.49 (the above-mentioned user possibly continues creating the new accounts), which definitely supports the idea that we’re dealing with multi accounting. However, the 3rd account appearing onto our radar is still under investigation, will keep you updated if there’s any news to share regarding this case.

OP care to comment ?

[allahabadi]

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[Coin_trader]

The registration date and the time they login somehow show that they are connected considering they have same ip. AFAIK having same public IP is common when using a vpn which maybe the OP will used as reason. But the proof is no doubt that the 2 account is connected. 

[amelik2]

Copying from the other FJ site thread:

I reviewed the "shared" IP address and discovered this IP belongs to my my work office wifi. Once I got that info I was able to confirm that 'PatDugan' (not his real name) is a coworker of mine. We both signed up on the same day in 2019 when another coworker told us about the site (possibly explains why there are 3 users?). We are different people who happened to login at the same IP at one point, but we should not be considered multi-accounts.  This is just an excuse for FortuneJack not to pay me for my big win a couple weeks ago.

As you posted on the prior screenshot with the two IP's logging in 18 minutes apart one was in VA and one was in Baltimore. Everyone knows it is impossible to travel from VA to Baltimore in under 75 minutes. Clearly we are two separate people.

"Pat" (again not his real name) has been frequently depositing and withdrawing without a problem. When we just spoke, he told me that he just received a withdrawal today!
  
'Pat' told me that FortuneJack performed a KYC check via skype a few weeks ago.  Why was one not requested for me? Maybe I'll ask him for a screenshot of the payout you sent him this morning...Why would you continue to pay one user and not the other if you think we are scamming you by making multiple accounts? That makes a lot of sense.

As I previously mentioned multiple times from day one my account has been registered to my email which is my name and phone number. I have offered to send a copy of the phone bill. I've offered to send additional documentation as well. Since you have all the IP's you will see the IP with only 1 user accessing it is my house in the town near where I live. I have no problem sending a mortgage statement and additional documentation showing that I live near that town.

Since you verified 'PatDugan' you should be able to easily determine that we are 2 separate users. I'm sure many people on this forum have a friend or coworker that also has an account on the same gaming site they use.

FYI for everyone on here FJ has not responded to my emails, they only seem to want to post here regarding the issue. This should be a private discussion but since they don't want to respond they have left me no choice but to come here and other sites. I am not going to give up or stop until I get paid...

[Lauda]

Copying from the other FJ site thread:

I reviewed the "shared" IP address and discovered this IP belongs to my my work office wifi. Once I got that info I was able to confirm that 'PatDugan' (not his real name) is a coworker of mine.

Usually it is brother/sister/friend/aunt/uncle/25th-removed cousin, but this works too.

[amelik2]

'PatDugan' forwarded me the email regarding the payout they received this morning from FJ. 0 issues. Funny you would think if they are accusing this user of multi-accounting with myself they wouldn't pay them...

I guess only 50k warrants them to make up some bs to get out of paying.

https://ibb.co/2sJLm9C

[allahabadi]

'PatDugan' forwarded me the email regarding the payout they received this morning from FJ. 0 issues. Funny you would think if they are accusing this user of multi-accounting with myself they wouldn't pay them...

I guess only 50k warrants them to make up some bs to get out of paying.

https://ibb.co/2sJLm9C

The plot thickens further 🧐🧐🧐

[Blossom15]

 
Thank you very much for choosing transparency FJ, but how do you explain this?

Also curious to know why you paid the PatDugan account, knowing fully well he is a cheating multi accounter and then refusing to pay his other account?

Thanks!
 

[amelik2]

Once again I am not a cheating multiaccounter. I made 1 account and logged into the site on the same IP as my coworker. I guarantee you 98% of the logins we are accessing the site from different IP's. I'm sure there have been times where we have been logged in at the same time on different IP's. We probably even have opposite wagers here and there. They posted a screenshot of us in different cities 50 miles apart logging in 18 minutes apart!

I work for a top 100 company in the world with most of the work force males between 25-60. 75%+ of us gamble online. Unfortunately we are in a state where sportsbetting is not legal yet so we are forced to use shady offshore sites like FJ.

I know for a fact that other coworkers here use the same offshore books and have 0 issues (5D, Heritage, Bookmaker, Nitrogen etc...).
Only FJ has a problem with me and my $50k+ winnings. Hell they even paid my coworker this morning that they are accusing me of being! WTF...

[Lauda]

I guarantee you 98% of the logins we are accessing the site from different IP's. I'm sure there have been times where we have been logged in at the same time on different IP's.

If you can prove this, sure if not you need to drop this. Thanks.

[AlexSimion]

I guarantee you 98% of the logins we are accessing the site from different IP's. I'm sure there have been times where we have been logged in at the same time on different IP's.

If you can prove this, sure if not you need to drop this. Thanks.

Actually he has some valid ground now , if FJ considers he's using another account , "PaDugan"  , then why would they process the withdrawal for the other account they're accusing him of owning .

[Lauda]

I guarantee you 98% of the logins we are accessing the site from different IP's. I'm sure there have been times where we have been logged in at the same time on different IP's.

If you can prove this, sure if not you need to drop this. Thanks.

Actually he has some valid ground now , if FJ considers he's using another account , "PaDugan"  , then why would they process the withdrawal for the other account they're accusing him of owning .

Do you want me to post a screenshot of him getting $50 billion from FJ? Screenshots of alleged email conversations are evidence of nothing - faking email conversations is beyond trivial. Time to get educated, we do not live in the 90s. Until FJ confirms this has happened, he has no valid ground.

[Hhampuz]

It is quite interesting that in your initial remark in the FJ thread you "have no idea who the F this patdugan is and that IP is so far away from where I live" but then when FJ further solidified their claims against you, it all became clear and apparent.

I've been gambling for the better part of my life and sometimes this is just how it goes. When I lived at home me and my brother played at a casino once (different PC same IP), we both used the welcome bonus and while I lost and he won they wouldn't let him withdraw due to multi accounting abuse. If you accept any type of bonus and you are on the same IP (whether it's home or work) you've fucked up. There is no other way around it, their terms and their rules state this when you make an account.

[allahabadi]

It is quite interesting that in your initial remark in the FJ thread you "have no idea who the F this patdugan is and that IP is so far away from where I live" but then when FJ further solidified their claims against you, it all became clear and apparent.
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Definitely interesting, but not surprising. If I wud hv stuck 5BTC I wud hv def tried to inquire in my circle as to who others shared same site and ip. maybe he hadn't inquired prior to this day.



I think FJ needs to really put up some convincing things and not just whims... It's quite a plausible story infact if FJ conducted a Skype KYC for the other person, they shud do so for him too..


P.S. We can simply ignore the sell your soul sign wearers on the forum.

[Hhampuz]

I think FJ needs to really put up some convincing things and not just whims... It's quite a plausible story infact if FJ conducted a Skype KYC for the other person, they shud do so for him too..


P.S. We can simply ignore the sell your soul sign wearers on the forum.

Yes, you can always ignore logic and facts for whatever reason you see fit.

Putting up IP's that are linking accounts together is not convincing? Even after the fact that the user in question says "Uhm yeah me and some buddies at work all registered on the same day, whaddya know"..

[Hhampuz]

Yes, you can always ignore logic and facts for whatever reason you see fit.

I totally agree with this, especially when the individual is being paid to ignore things such as Sign campaigns. 😎

Putting up IP's that are linking accounts together is not convincing? Even after the fact that the user in question says "Uhm yeah me and some buddies at work all registered on the same day, whaddya know"..

If most IPs are same then it is shady, but if few are same over a period, I'm not surprised.

VERY SURPRISING THAT PPL AT WORK REGISTERED ON THE SAME DAY, HOW DARE THEY DO THAT... LET ME CONFISCATE THEIR 5BTC.

Again, you seem to be one of the people that want these companies to do what YOU think is right and just. If you register from the same IP and sometimes login from the same IP then the abuse is obvious, it doesn't matter what you think or how you feel about it. Companies and especially gambling sites are not in the marketplace of feelings.

EDIT; If you tell me that my opinion can be overlooked due to me wearing a sig then the same thing might as well be said for you since you have for years now followed FJ and tried to discredit them, right?

This was left by you in 2018:


"Will remove once solved", press the Reference link and the title says "[SOLVED]" and the thread is locked.

[Lauda]

I've been gambling for the better part of my life and sometimes this is just how it goes. When I lived at home me and my brother played at a casino once (different PC same IP), we both used the welcome bonus and while I lost and he won they wouldn't let him withdraw due to multi accounting abuse. If you accept any type of bonus and you are on the same IP (whether it's home or work) you've fucked up. There is no other way around it, their terms and their rules state this when you make an account.

OP withdraw your claim and read the ToS again.

[Railai]

Amelik just don't care about what others said, sites like these are forced to prove you are having an another account not otherwise, they have the resources which you don't.

As I am a person that travels a lot, for me it's normal and usual to connect from a public mcdonalds or starbucks when I am away to check what games are on. When I am being asked by bet365 my last public ip's, it's not my job nor obligation to provide them with such things. Each time after 1 rush call speaking with the manager, he gets soft and things get back to normal.

Crossing at a moment an IP with someone can be so easily, more if you live in a state where online gambling is not legal yet and maybe you're using a VPN.

[Lauda]

Amelik just don't care about what others said, sites like these are forced to prove you are having an another account not otherwise, they have the resources which you don't.

As I am a person that travels a lot, for me it's normal and usual to connect from a public mcdonalds or starbucks when I am away to check what games are on. When I am being asked by bet365 my last public ip's, it's not my job nor obligation to provide them with such things. Each time after 1 rush call speaking with the manager, he gets soft and things get back to normal.

Crossing at a moment an IP with someone can be so easily, more if you live in a state where online gambling is not legal yet and maybe you're using a VPN.

I am advising FJ that no further time needs to be wasted on this. If you break the ToS, then you can go home.