i know you want to continue down the big pharma conspiracy..
let me ease your mind
big pharma made ACE meds last year. sold them already and those medications are stored in warehouses and passed on to patients.
whether a patient puts a pill in their mouth or not, does not affect big pharma's pockets.
they already got paid months ago.
yep that blisterpack of pills in someone medicine cabinet your trying to convince people not to take has already made big pharma money.. whether the person consumes them or trashes them
so dont make this into a ploy to try making big pharma bankrupt because you wont
Stupid argument because if you stop taking one-a-day for a month Big Pharma still loses a months worth of revenue on their quarterly report.
For my part I really mostly care that people increase their chances of survival overcome the propaganda and eugenics if doing so will help them.
If people can clear this hurdle (not reflexively buying everything bit of propaganda that Big Pharma is selling) then maybe they won't come at people like me who don't necessarily want 100 vaccinations per year that are in the pipeline and accuse me of being a threat to them. As things stand now way to many people are begging for all the vaccines they can get and more problematically, begging big brother to round up everyone in the world and dose them up too. That's a problem for me (and it could be one of the main driving forces behind the creation and release of SARS-cov-2 (or SARS++ as I call it.))
as for human health
corona is going to go on for 3-6 months and people with heart issues needing meds being told by stupid people that their meds are causing corona or the meds is the cause of the risk. and so stop taking the meds for 3-6 months as some stupid immunity scheme or some stupid ploy to pretend it prevents the virus. not only puts people at risk of having more severe symptoms from WHEN(not if) they get corona. but also even if they dont get severe symptoms from corona they are stlll putting their heart at risk from general heart issues
stuff like fluid retention and breathing issues are symptoms of bad heart even without corona. so telling people to risk fluid retention an breathing issues and other stuff.. but saying its worth it because you will be immortal against corona.. is absolutely foolish.
its almost as stupid as saying if you put a gun in your mouth and shoot, dont worry you will not get shot in the leg.
trying to fool people that a shot in the head is better than the leg
another exampleof stupidity
its like saying you get corona from touching people. so instead use your car and run people over with it if they get close.
yep it seems extreme. but your trying to say risk doing something that can cause severe harm to pretend your preventing yourself from even getting the flu in the first place.
again. people will get the flu no matter what
No, that's not what I am saying at all.
You seem to be saying (fairly clearly) that if you have a strong heart (thanks to meds) you got no problems. If you got a weak heart because you didn't take your meds as instructed, you will die from coronavirus. I'm saying that it's probably a bit more complicated than 'the heart'.
I AM saying that if you are in danger of suffering death from a cytokine storm from coronavirus and certain meds have known metabolic and biochemical reasons for increasing the risk and intensity of having a cytokine storm, it is almost certainly better to find something else for your hypertension for a while. It's simple and it's obvious.
Indeed, the cytokine response does a lot of things to blood pressure because the blood vessels dilate in order to allow you immune system to fight an invader. This can lead to low blood pressure. If you are on high blood pressure meds, it is very possible that you'll want to get off of them for a while since coronavirus already addressed your high blood pressure problem for a while and now you are in danger because your blood pressure is to low.
I'm not saying that my blood pressure example is a good one or understood medically at this time. It's just an illustration of a basic principle which really should not be that hard for you to understand.
Noting the extremely unusual pattern of mortality vs. age with this particular covid-19, inquisitive people should be asking themselves what is it about people aged 50-90 which is so much different than those under that age. One fairly obvious thing is that the oldsters are increasingly jacked on all kinds of pharma products. Part of the reason for this is that in the evolving 'public health' sphere doctors won't let you set foot in their office unless you sign a pledge to take whatever they might prescribe without asking any questions. At least that's the way it is in my part of the United States (before I got the hell out).
Anyway, refusing to even entertain the hypothesis that the extreme rates of medication use among the older folks might be associated with the extreme mortality plots in this age group with covid-19 in town speaks to a very high degree of indoctrination and conditioning among the peeps (health care professional and otherwise.)
Well, look what the cat dragged in!
I will make a single post in this thread only. As I stated in the OP of my thread, it is for serious discussion only, with evidenced based guidelines and treatments. You have countless other threads you can derail with your Big Pharma conspiracy theories.
I've not mentioned vaccines once in that thread, so your entire argument on that point is a meaningless strawman.
As to your "take all your meds" argument, two medications were raised, one of which I said I wouldn't take, so again, your argument there is a strawman.
franky1, I simply deleted your post since it made no sense without the context of tvbcof's spam.
There are cases where it would be wise to keep an eye on the research involving the interaction of commonly perscrived medications (esp things like ACE inhibitors) and switch to a different method of dealing with existing problems if a particular medication is proven or strongly suspected of being detrimental to covid-19 specifically.
There is absolutely no evidence that ACE inhibitors or ARBs result in either more infections or more serious infections with SARS-CoV-2, but there is some evidence that they exert a protective effect against ARDS (which would mean stopping them would result in more deaths). There is no "proven or strongly suspected" detrimental effect as you suggest. A vague hypothesis is neither proven nor "research". If you have some evidence-based studies to substantiate these claims, I'd be more than happy for you to post them in my thread, but you don't because none exists. If you continue to post conspiracy theories and non-evidence based nonsense, I will continue to delete your comments.
The relatively new schtick popular among the establishment media and medical profession is as follows:
"
There is no evidence of {blah} because we censored it."
Exactly what happened in the first post Dr? Oileo censored. There was a military study showing a strong possibility that the flu vaccine made one more susceptible to coronavirus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31607599"CONCLUSIONS:
Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections.
What is one thing oldsters get at a much higher rate than younger folks (probably because they visit the doctor more and are strong-armed into it)? Flu vaccination. Could that be contributing to the very unusual figures from this covid-19? Dr? Oileo's answer: "
No. We censored it so the question never got asked. And we didn't talk about vaccines. Never happened."
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A related schtick to look for is "
We know of no information that {favorite med} is associated with {blah, blah, blah}..." You will see that one a lot in government and Big Pharma material meant for public consumption.
(In the fine print such as in vaccine inserts they will, due to informed consent laws, say straight up that their wares are know to cause all kinds of stuff including death.) It doesn't matter that everyone else is well aware of a bunch of studies showing said association. As long as they put it in the above manner, they have the legal out that they just missed it.
The media doesn't need protection. They can (and do) just lie straight to your face and say 'there is no association'. Period.
