Loan Default - theyoungmillionaire u=1180530

[cryptoaddictchie]

Hi @Timelord2067 wanted to help you with your investigation. I am with those guys you mentioned in a telegram group specifically @Maus0728, @crwth, and @finaleshot2016, Now, to confirm their identity differentiate with each other, Ive asked cooperation with the two of them and they granted my request for a transaction via coinsph. Now would like to explained to you that CoinsPh, is very strict when it comes to approval of every users on their platform. Now this coinsph have a feed page like facebook, actually connected to facebook cause verification is strict.

Ive do the owners to confirm if they are real users. Check this image:

Of course I cant disclose their names cause this is private thing. But Filipino users can confirm that I am saying true cause they are somehow familiat with CoinsPh.

Now regarding finaleshot2016, I did also transaction with him cause he win on my contest last year. So I know his different user with these guys. Now I dont know the address of TYM coinsPH address, if there is one that have the same result then its an alt or same account with TYM cause coins.ph only allowed one user per account. Regarding other accounts involved I am no contact with them.

Regarding trust list since its not moderated we cant actually used that as something like an evidence. If you found this biased then, the whole Philippine Coinsph users with bitcointalk forum accounts can prove that I am right and only telling the truth.

[cabalism13]

This investigation is still ongoing.

I find this useless. Just to be prank mate,... trust is what we use whenever we had multiple transactions for a long time... Even though it is seen as back scratching LoL, doesn't care about that.

Merits 👉 Backscratching? Yes because I told them to make good use of their sMerits as much as possible to our Local Community. (Ever Since I gathered many sMerits)

Mate, if you have some spare Merits to give would you mind giving them on my stead? (For me, it is good enough to be worthy of [1] Merit)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5037560.msg46158947#msg46158947

Links are on my post. Thanks Mate. Have A Nice Day.
(If you still don't find them worthy it's still fine)

I would love to, since it’s a support to the Filipinos, it's just that I don't have merit yet. Thanks for the heads up on post.

Trust 👉 Backscratching? Again? Might be, or No.

IMO, just like what I'm doing most on my trustlist were users whom I had transactions for several times. And some are just the other DTs who gain public trust.
It's definitely not an abuse. Well, it might be look like that because you're looking on a position were DT1 is involve.

Silent26 👉 the last info the I get was from this (he still uses the forum but not that active just like before)

"Working" or "Working on" means you're in the progress of reporting and yes, you need to check and review the posts of those users one by one.
"Done" means you've reported the users already. Don't worry if Mods still not taking any actions on the users you've reported, just put "Done" when your finish reporting.

Sorry for the late response mate.

~Silent26

Hey mate, it's been a while? What took you so long?

Hey buddy, what's up. Yeah it's been months since the last time I became inactive in the forum. It's really sad that I missed a lot of discussions. Well, you know, student's life. I really prioritised studying, these past months that I didn't managed to visit Bitcointalk was my thesis days/months. So busy until now, I'm currently in my on-job training with my website project for about another 3 months.

Well, its a relief that I have some feeling that I will graduate soon  
Anyway thanks for greeting me back buddy.

~Silent26

(well no one will force you to believe that)

crwth 👉 not an alt, many of us can confirm that. (I call you guys to speak on this useless investigation)


Have you guys ever thought, what if TYM is really not here anymore and you've been accusing users continuously... 🤔 Damn. Not all has alts, just remember that.
I'm telling you, this won't go anywhere, and we, too, even want to help Dire to get that criminal but not in a way of accusing some users to be alts or connected with them. LoL
 

Regarding other accounts involved I am no contact with them.

Regarding trust list since its not moderated we cant actually used that as something like an evidence. If you found this biased then, the whole Philippine Coinsph users with bitcointalk forum accounts can prove that I am right and only telling the truth.

Count me in.

[JollyGood]

What is clear remains unchanged, namely that TYM defaulted on his loan. As for anything else such as his health, location, reason for defaulting etc it is speculation but the fact remains he defaulted on his loan. repayment.

[Timelord2067]

This investigation is still ongoing.

I find this useless. Just to be prank mate,... trust is what we use whenever we had multiple transactions for a long time... Even though it is seen as back scratching LoL, doesn't care about that.

cabalism13

I have cabalism13 in the "not sure basket" as they do things that on their own seem innocuous enough, but after a while start to add up:

Week 11 cabalism13 adds silent26 and TYM
Week 15 cabalism13 adds 13 UID's to their trust list which is being discovered to be a tactic for some users to add a dozen UID's in the hope they will in turn add them in a follow-for-follow move to gain trust.
Week 63 cabalism13 changes from trust to distrust of TYM which is significant as it is within the first ten days after this scam accusation thread goes live.
Week 64 crwth removes silent26 and TYM from their trust list http://loyce.club/trust/2020-04-04_Sat_09.19h/914465.html and adds cabalism13 who like Maus0728 participates in the scam tread and posts in the Filipino section.

Another example of cabalism13's questionable DT activities:

Week 15 cabalism13 distrusts tecshare
Week 17 tecshare distrusts cabalism13
Week 22 cabalism13 changes their distrust of tecshare to trust
Week 24 tecshare removes their distrust of cabalism13
Week 34 cab removes 18 of their 30 trust list (including tecshare)

Regarding other accounts involved I am no contact with them.

Regarding trust list since its not moderated we cant actually used that as something like an evidence. If you found this biased then, the whole Philippine Coinsph users with bitcointalk forum accounts can prove that I am right and only telling the truth.

Count me in.

@cryptoaddictchie & @cabalism13

I haven't said any of these users are alts, however, there is a case to be made that they are engaging in DT Trust abuse (or at the very least are not using their trust lists as intended) by all enabling their trust in each-other in the same week 03/04 as outlined previously.  Some users acquired the required 10 merits, have ten users they trust then, went to sleep.  Even though they are not active, their ten merits+ten trust list count as a vote to vote up other users propelling them into DT1 territory.  The ones that are asleep are probably shill / alt accounts while the rest are *probably* a voting block.  The fact they started with the same core list of ten users they add in the same week highlights collusion.

What is clear remains unchanged, namely that TYM defaulted on his loan. As for anything else such as his health, location, reason for defaulting etc it is speculation but the fact remains he defaulted on his loan. repayment.

theyoungmillionaire is probably one of the other accounts in that voting block, but which is the alt?

[cabalism13]

cabalism13 adds 13 UID's to their trust list which is being discovered to be a tactic for some users to add a dozen UID's in the hope they will in turn add them in a follow-for-follow move to gain trust.

.Cute. 😂
And so, just by looking at this, the reason that I remove is that they didn't trust me back? 🤣 🤣 🤣

Another example of cabalism13's questionable DT activities:

Week 15 cabalism13 distrusts tecshare
Week 17 tecshare distrusts cabalism13
Week 22 cabalism13 changes their distrust of tecshare to trust
Week 24 tecshare removes their distrust of cabalism13
Week 34 cab removes 18 of their 30 trust list (including tecshare)

Kinda irrelevant IMO, this shouldn't be here, instead on the Reputation Section. Also it wasn't questionable, trust list isn't moderated, I would do whatever I want to. I will remove/place someone whom I want to whenever I want. It's my personal list.

Besides, I wasn't on the DT1 by that time, so it's not that important.

Like what I said, this is useless.

theyoungmillionaire is probably one of the other accounts in that voting block, but which is the alt?

probably? yeah, probably speaking... 🤔

@cryptoaddictchie & @cabalism13

I haven't said any of these users are alts,...

Yep, you're still just accusing...

[Timelord2067]

Kinda irrelevant IMO, this shouldn't be here, instead on the Reputation Section. Also it wasn't questionable, trust list isn't moderated, I would do whatever I want to. I will remove/place someone whom I want to whenever I want. It's my personal list.

Besides, I wasn't on the DT1 by that time, so it's not that important.

You might want to have a read of this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg54732978#msg54732978 and the ramifications of abusing the Default Trust Network.


Given how "tight knit" the Philippines section is purportedly, with "everyone knowing everyone else" it's surprising none of you can say who TYM is or where they are.  Not so tight knit after all.

[cabalism13]

Kinda irrelevant IMO, this shouldn't be here, instead on the Reputation Section. Also it wasn't questionable, trust list isn't moderated, I would do whatever I want to. I will remove/place someone whom I want to whenever I want. It's my personal list.

Besides, I wasn't on the DT1 by that time, so it's not that important.

You might want to have a read of this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg54732978#msg54732978 and the ramifications of abusing the Default Trust Network.


Given how "tight knit" the Philippines section is purportedly, with "everyone knowing everyone else" it's surprising none of you can say who TYM is or where they are.  Not so tight knit after all.

I am not obligated to follow that, especially because we don't have any rules about this. Actually I do have one mistake on the past which has a concern to Lucius. If the public doesn't want him to on DT2 then I think they should have just excluded him and yet I did something that was out of my own decision.

Now, I won't be concerning myself on what you guys want anymore unless it is really necessary.

Just like before, getting used to: on using ~ would be a better help to the community. The only abuse is when a user is just being a lich and so he does it the same way like the others.

[nutildah]

Given how "tight knit" the Philippines section is purportedly, with "everyone knowing everyone else" it's surprising none of you can say who TYM is or where they are.  Not so tight knit after all.

Everybody who has been paying attention to this thread already knows who TYM is. That's no secret.

Really what people should be on the lookout for is what his new account is, if he has one. He will probably be smart and fast-rising in rank, but only the Filipinos will have a chance of guessing who it is based on the contents of his posts.

All traces of activity by the old TYM have come to an end, on Facebook and even his Coins.ph account. Perhaps he is using a new account there -- likely that of a friend or a family member.

[Timelord2067]

...

... and this is what's known as Default Trust abuse:



using their position on DT1 to attempt to silence those who would expose their Default Trust abuse.  You're looking more and more guilty as the hours go by.

Note to @LoyceV

[nutildah]

... and this is what's known as Default Trust abuse:



using their position on DT1 to attempt to silence those who would expose their Default Trust abuse.  You're looking more and more guilty as the hours go by.

1. No, its not, and I don't see anything that remotely indicates that this user is engaging in trust abuse. He's not the one including a banned user who has never used the trust system -- you are.

2. As wrong as you are, you aren't being "silenced" in any way as you just moved from -7 to -8 DT strength.

3. This is the wrong thread for this subject.

[Timelord2067]

FUD

Rest assured, your own distrust of me isn't going to stop me from investigating theyoungmillionaire and this DT abuse cluster.  You're just Trolling here, nothing more.

~Timelord2067's judgement is Distrusted by:

20. nutildah (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 2381 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

FUD

For a DT1 you're very naive if you don't believe in a Filipino mafia.
Those guys are well known to be ones of the biggest bounty cheaters in the world.
Even Yobit is excluding them from its bounty campaigns :

Thanks for the support Golgoth, I won't sully this thread with anything concerning nutildah, but you're spot on.

[nutildah]

For a DT1 you're very naive if you don't believe in a Filipino mafia.

   This has nothing to do with anything. Besides, we both know that if you had something the slightest bit intelligent or reasonable to say, you would have posted it from your main account.

Rest assured, your own distrust of me isn't going to stop me from investigating theyoungmillionaire and this DT abuse cluster.

By all means, detective, the guy who still thinks cryptohunter is "Probably Bruno..." Don't let me interfere. 

[Timelord2067]

OFF TOPIC FUD
... you would have posted it from your main account. ...
OFF TOPIC FUD

Perhaps you should leave the alt investigation to the rest of us, after all, why would you *just now* distrust a user who has been banned since the 13^th of February 2020:



lega46141 - Hero Member (Archived) - https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=lega46141



It makes no sense except to spread FUD.

[nutildah]

OFF TOPIC FUD
... you would have posted it from your main account. ...
OFF TOPIC FUD

Perhaps you should leave the alt investigation to the rest of us, after all, why would you *just now* distrust a user who has been banned since the 13^th of February 2020:

Its because that user was DT2 strength 0 until I distrusted him. Much like everything you've contributed to this thread thus far, it has nothing to do with it.

I have nothing further to add here, and I'm pretty sure you don't either.

[JollyGood]

Perhaps you should leave the alt investigation to the rest of us, after all, why would you *just now* distrust a user who has been banned since the 13^th of February 2020:

This thread is supposed to be about theyoungmillionaire (user=1180530) defaulting on his loan, everything unrealted should be discussed in different thread.

[Timelord2067]

Perhaps you should leave the alt investigation to the rest of us, after all, why would you *just now* distrust a user who has been banned since the 13^th of February 2020:

This thread is supposed to be about theyoungmillionaire (user=1180530) defaulting on his loan, everything unrealted should be discussed in different thread.

Good Point.

How are your own investigations into theyoungmillionaire going?  Turned up anything yet?

[JollyGood]

I never investigated him, I have no interest in him at all except for the fact he defaulted on his loan.

There are comments about him having multiple accounts and others questioning whether something might have happened to him (health, accident, etc) which might have contributed to him defaulting but for me the only issue that matters is that the loan was defaulted and no explanation was ever provided by theyoungmillionaire to DireWolfM14.

Perhaps you should leave the alt investigation to the rest of us, after all, why would you *just now* distrust a user who has been banned since the 13^th of February 2020:

This thread is supposed to be about theyoungmillionaire (user=1180530) defaulting on his loan, everything unrealted should be discussed in different thread.

Good Point.

How are your own investigations into theyoungmillionaire going?  Turned up anything yet?

[cabalism13]

... and this is what's known as Default Trust abuse:


using their position on DT1 to attempt to silence those who would expose their Default Trust abuse.  You're looking more and more guilty as the hours go by.

That's what I'm talking about with your lazy brain. You're just obsessed with the DT1 position, and yet all you see is an abuse. LoL. Please don't forget that its My Personal Trust List and I'm free to do what I want as long as it fits on my judgements.

Also you are free to do the same:
~cabalism13

Perhaps you should leave the alt investigation to the rest of us, after all, why would you *just now* distrust a user who has been banned since the 13^th of February 2020:

This thread is supposed to be about theyoungmillionaire (user=1180530) defaulting on his loan, everything unrealted should be discussed in different thread.

I creates a thread for Timelord2067:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260128.msg54737028#msg54737028
And, 😌 please guys stop flooding this thread with irrelevant replies, You're definitely not helping and so do I. Whatever comes into the plate, then that's that already.
Let this thread be in peace, until we find out where the shitty scammer is.

[finaleshot2016]

Sorry for the super late response, this proof might help this issue.

He messaged and corrected an error in my thread through bitcointalk message and that's the first time I interacted with him in telegram. I don't have old convos, the only convos that left to me is with his new telegram account which is "Hero" and the discord account which is "GCC Hero" (a discord account to manage the discord group of Global Cryptocurrency, you can check the group itself that he's a former member there. https://bit.ly/2C3Octt) Also, I forgot that he's still on my trust list and if that's the issue, I already removed him due to not paying his debt to Direwolfm14. I didn't really focus on the trust thingy, I just put those people who helped and I see as a reputable member. I guess the merits aren't the issue here because as you can see, I did my best using the knowledge and skills that I have on creating those threads in our local board and besides, we have a different style and personality. The year 2018 is really quiet on our grounds and we are the ones who have the drive to improve, have a norm on creating threads, and making the local active, I know a lot that can vouch on this.  and the fact that we can put anyone here, there's nothing wrong with that. Therefore, there's no abuse happened and what brings me here is because many people know me for being active in those years. I'm not a political person (Some of you think DT as power, very political) and I don't have goals for this kind of position, meaning that I don't give a sht about it.

I think I am also a victim, now I really don't know if he fooled me over the things that he said before:
-a businessman
-starting business
-lost btcs during dumped
-the photo of him and with some certain whotheguyis
..
-flights anytime anywhere
(the whole convo has been wiped out by him)

That's what I think, a victim to his actions, to all of us who have interacted with him. Look at me now, being accused of being a TYM's alt.

This is our last conversation and as you can see in the chat, he didn't open the message and already inactive for a long time.

Explanation to the conversation:
He's asking me to create a design for a physical coin since the local board knows me as a graphic designer but I just ignored his message since I'm busy at that time finishing college. So how could you tell me that I bought this account? Well, I admit it that I'm lacking recently, and I don't want to explain the current situation/problem I am facing right now (add the pandemic) 'cause I know you guys don't really care about any personal life, but it is not a good proof tho.

finaleshot2016

The reason why I have an ALT is to contact the campaign manager at that time 'cause I'm very stupid to use that secret question feature. I bought another PC and forgot the password that I have (I'm always using auto login), and I was surprised that he also changed his password. I also have the emails from bitcointalk support for the recovery of my account and proves that I don't have any idea about the secret question and won't change a password without any good reason. So I don't know why tf is TYM having the same day with me of changing a password.

Hi, this is finaleshot2016, I'm sorry for not posting last week because my account was blocked for using the secret question and now I'm currently fixing it.
I'm hoping for your consideration, thanks for understanding!

About coins.ph
You can actually view and read the faqs of coins.ph,
https://support.coins.ph/hc/en-us/articles/360000012161-Which-IDs-are-accepted-for-the-ID-verification-process-
And it is stated there that we need a Valid ID (which is very hard to get especially here in the PH) to be able to transact in coins.ph. Meaning that every BTC address on coins.ph, there's only 1 user and it's validated.

https://support.coins.ph/hc/en-us/articles/115000162741-What-is-Coins-ph-and-how-does-it-work-
And if you don't trust the platform that we're using, it is stated here that;

Coins.ph is the first virtual currency provider in the Philippines to be licensed by the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP) with a Virtual Currency Exchange license. Using your wallet, you can easily convert your Pesos into Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, or Ethereum.

I have managed to transact on our local board with a lot of Filipinos and they already know a piece of my personal information that I am not disclosing here. @cryptoaddictchie is one of them, as you can see in his reply..

Hi, @Timelord2067 wanted to help you with your investigation...

I want to help as much as I can because DirewolfM14 also lends me money during the time I'm having financial problems but this is all the info I got about him. If you have a discord app, try to contact some of the admins/moderators in the GCC discord group, it might lead you to the whereabouts of TYM. You also got his coins.ph address, try to contact the customer support and report it to them so he can't use his coins.ph wallet. I hope this information that I've got helps you find the real culprit here.

[Nellayar]

This might be a lead to sue him. If ever there is a transaction from his wallet address that he used to borrow money and the coins.ph address above, You can file a police report using that evidence. Combining the total amount that he loans here are worthy to sue him. I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

The only problem is that most the judiciary branch in PH are closed due to pandemic. It will take some time to reopen again.

You need also to cooperate with coins.ph as well in order to find the person behind that transaction. It won`t be that easy since coins.ph values the privacy afaik and it needs valid proof (I know you had it too). But then, OP may find the real person behind the name of TYM. It just need some time, hoping that OP will become interested to file a case. So that, this would be a lesson for all loaners that even we are covering by anonymity in cryptocurrency, we can detect by using the internet.

PS. Here are the steps on how to report fraudulent users in coins.ph

Please follow the steps below:

Step 1: Report this to us

Please get in touch with us immediately at  help@coins.ph or you can call us at our helpline: 8692-2829

Step 2: Fill in our complaint form. 

It’s very important that you fill this out so that we will not miss any relevant information that would help us in investigating the reported case. Please provide proof of payment, relevant information and screenshot of conversations or any other materials that would help us understand what happened. Once you have submitted the above information we will be investigating your concern and giving you an update within 3 business days.

Step 3: Report this incident to the authorities

Should you wish to pursue this case, including claiming any funds back, the next step would be to report this incident to the authorities. Coins.ph is a digital payments platform, and thus, we cannot provide dispute resolution recourse or refunds. Payments are final and irreversible.

Due to our Privacy Policy, we cannot share user information directly to you. We would need a formal letter (official Request for Information) from the authorities to share information. With an official letter, we would be able to share the relevant information that we might have gathered about the reported incident, as outlined in our Privacy Policy. We will cooperate to resolve any reports and concerns, to maintain the safety of the platform.

Please exercise vigilance when transacting online. Be wary of unauthorized and unlicensed investment schemes claiming to offer quick or guaranteed returns.

It is so sad that one of my countrymen is compromised. But it is too sad that lenders like OP was scammed and dealt with loan default. Hoping that it will be settled as soon as possible.
 
Reference: https://support.coins.ph/hc/en-us/articles/115000045622-How-do-I-report-a-scam-or-fraudulent-activity-