Loan Default - theyoungmillionaire u=1180530

[DireWolfM14]

What happened::
theyoungmillionaire (u=1180530) has borrowed bitcoin from me, and agreed to adhere to a payment plan that consisted of 6 partial payments.  The whole of the loan plus interest was due to be completely payed off by June 4th, 2020.  In early January theyoungmillionaire contacted me via PM and informed me that he would be unable to make the payment due that month, but would instead make arrangements to pay off the whole loan by the end of the month of January.  As of this point in time I have not received any payments toward his loan.  theyoungmillionaire has not logged into the forum since January 6, and has not responded to any PMs (3) that I have sent since that date.

Scammers Profile Link:
theyoungmillionaire

Reference Link:
Loan Request 1 [Archive],
Loan Request 2 [Archive].

Amount Scammed:
Loan: 0.311825 BTC
Interest: 0.076399 BTC
Total: 0.388224 BTC

Payment Method:
BTC

Proof of Payment:
7f302a56a10fc57ce1bb15bcecb9aeaa868d5ba25eda6884191df10b36c7a796
bff0e1afd24cdbb2b627edd40feae6d63f3f7e880fc706efff5de29e55b3f1cd

PM/Chat Logs:

Hi, DireWolfM14,

As discussed via PM.

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Username: theyoungmillionaire
Loan Amount: 0.311825
Purpose: Trading
Collateral: None
Repayment date: 6 months
Repayment Amount: 0.388224 BTC
Funding Address: 35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1young1tytJ9on6h3bSFTC9tAdBPg6P9i
G8zExD5bnQ+SX81WYP0svQ6GB2Vx6Uw5NUa4TrASzPbVXgxjII9tiq8qOW085CQBXWZ/dZNwDYA7yeowc7ijzek=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Howdy TYM,
Per our discussion via PM, I've refinanced your loan, with an additional 0.08 btc sent today.

To summarize:

On September 19th I sent you a loan for 0.3 btc.
Tx: 7f302a56a10fc57ce1bb15bcecb9aeaa868d5ba25eda6884191df10b36c7a796

On October 19th you sent a partial payment of 0.096 btc (0.075 principal, 0.021 btc interest.)
Tx: 60d44b771d5bfd62e37b6298c9f0e0c3de5288fa16c02cb6a65fb3becf04ebe8

Today, November 4th I sent an additional 0.08 btc.
Tx: bff0e1afd24cdbb2b627edd40feae6d63f3f7e880fc706efff5de29e55b3f1cd

As of today, you still had 0.225 btc of principal outstanding.  With interest calculated up to today your obligation was 0.231825 btc.  With the additional 0.08 btc sent today, your total loan is now 0.311825, and per our agreement payments will be made according to the following plan:

||.Date	|| Loan	|| Principal	|| interest	|| payment	.||
||.4.DEC.2019	|| 0.311825	|| 0.051971	|| 0.021828	|| 0.073799	.||
||.4.JAN.2020	|| 0.259855	|| 0.051971	|| 0.01819	|| 0.070161	.||
||.4.FEB.2020	|| 0.207884	|| 0.051971	|| 0.014552	|| 0.066523	.||
||.4.MAR.2020	|| 0.155913	|| 0.051971	|| 0.010914	|| 0.062885	.||
||.4.APR.2020	|| 0.103942	|| 0.051971	|| 0.007276	|| 0.059247	.||
||.4.MAY.2020	|| 0.051971	|| 0.051971	|| 0.003638	|| 0.055609	.||

Please pay back to this address: 348XXjbpXwg37JYd8knLnHRSMajLbteSbJ

And once again, thank you for the opportunity to be your lender.

Today, November 4th I sent an additional 0.08 btc.
Tx: bff0e1afd24cdbb2b627edd40feae6d63f3f7e880fc706efff5de29e55b3f1cd

Confirming receipt.

As of today, you still had 0.225 btc of principal outstanding.  With interest calculated up to today your obligation was 0.231825 btc.  With the additional 0.08 btc sent today, your total loan is now 0.311825, and per our agreement payments will be made according to the following plan:

||.Date	|| Loan	|| Principal	|| interest	|| payment	.||
||.4.DEC.2019	|| 0.311825	|| 0.051971	|| 0.021828	|| 0.073799	.||
||.4.JAN.2020	|| 0.259855	|| 0.051971	|| 0.01819	|| 0.070161	.||
||.4.FEB.2020	|| 0.207884	|| 0.051971	|| 0.014552	|| 0.066523	.||
||.4.MAR.2020	|| 0.155913	|| 0.051971	|| 0.010914	|| 0.062885	.||
||.4.APR.2020	|| 0.103942	|| 0.051971	|| 0.007276	|| 0.059247	.||
||.4.MAY.2020	|| 0.051971	|| 0.051971	|| 0.003638	|| 0.055609	.||

Please pay back to this address: 348XXjbpXwg37JYd8knLnHRSMajLbteSbJ

And once again, thank you for the opportunity to be your lender.

Agreed.

Thank you, DireWolfM14.

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Additional Notes:
Type 3 flag created:
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[BitcoinGirl.Club]

The user seemed very promising and was doing great job for the community especially in their local community. There must be something wrong with him, possibly any physical condition or something? It's hard to believe that they are not responding and ran away with the money but till this point it's seems that's the truth.

I will tag the user and will follow this topic and I really hope that they come back and make the full repayment.

[shasan]

Sorry for your loss. Flag supported.

There must be something wrong with him, possibly any physical condition or something?

I think the loan has been taken about 6months ago. So, s/he is avoiding as s/he does not want to repay. It was a great chance to repay as bitcoin price dropped too much.

[DireWolfM14]

The user seemed very promising and was doing great job for the community especially in their local community. There must be something wrong with him, possibly any physical condition or something? It's hard to believe that they are not responding and ran away with the money but till this point it's seems that's the truth.

I will tag the user and will follow this topic and I really hope that they come back and make the full repayment.

I hope all is well with him, he really seemed like a good guy.  He mentioned that he was starting a physical bitcoin business in the Philippines, and that he was working on getting a fiat loan.  He was supposed to pay me back with the money he got for his business loan.  I hope he's healthy and turned scammer as opposed to the opposite, lol.  I do wish him the best, I just wish he wouldn't take advantage of my generosity to get there.
 

[LoyceV]

The user seemed very promising and was doing great job for the community especially in their local community. There must be something wrong with him, possibly any physical condition or something? It's hard to believe that they are not responding and ran away with the money but till this point it's seems that's the truth.

It won't be the first time a promising user took the opportunity to steal when it presented itself. He was barely active the months before taking the loan, and stopped posting right after he received the loan. That doesn't seem like physical problems to me.

Flag supported. Let me know if this gets resolved, I'll gladly withdraw support.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

theyoungmillionaire has not logged into the forum since January 6, and has not responded to any PMs (3) that I have sent since that date.

Yeah, that's never a good sign when there's an outstanding loan.  I supported the flag and tagged him subject to revision if he makes good on his loan to your satisfaction.  There's not much else you or anyone can do, unfortunately, and it's a situation that sucks.  I got scammed for a very similar amount of BTC a few years ago when the price was much lower, and I know the feeling--but it's got to sting even more since the fiat amount of the loan was much higher than mine was.

I hope all is well with him, he really seemed like a good guy. 

Master-P seemed like a good guy as well as far as I know, but look at the massive scam he pulled off a while back.  You just never know who you're really dealing with on the internet.

[suchmoon]

I hope that's not the case but the amount seems to be large enough to move on to another account and run another long con.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Surprised about this, I’ve seen him around the forum & he seemed OK. The amount doesn’t seem enough to pull a scam, 0.3BTC is nothing! What a piece of shit

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Surprised about this, I’ve seen him around the forum & he seemed OK. The amount doesn’t seem enough to pull a scam, 0.3BTC is nothing! What a piece of shit

Indeed that 0.3 amount is very small amount. The user could join a good signature campaign [Looking at his post quality and previous activity] and could make more than this scammed amount in a legitimate way. But for this nothing amount he made the choice to scam was bit shocking for me.

I hope all is well with him, he really seemed like a good guy.  He mentioned that he was starting a physical bitcoin business in the Philippines, and that he was working on getting a fiat loan.  He was supposed to pay me back with the money he got for his business loan.  I hope he's healthy and turned scammer as opposed to the opposite, lol.  I do wish him the best, I just wish he wouldn't take advantage of my generosity to get there.
 

I feel bad for you brother. You really do not deserve it.

[DireWolfM14]

Surprised about this, I’ve seen him around the forum & he seemed OK. The amount doesn’t seem enough to pull a scam, 0.3BTC is nothing! What a piece of shit

Indeed that 0.3 amount is very small amount. The user could join a good signature campaign [Looking at his post quality and previous activity] and could make more than this scammed amount in a legitimate way. But for this nothing amount he made the choice to scam was bit shocking for me.

That's what I was thinking.  Not long ago DarkStar_ mentioned he was looking for a quality poster who's active in the Philippine local, and TYM could have been one of the top candidates if he applied.  He could have earned what he owed me in about 10 weeks.

[Indymoney]

Surprised about this, I’ve seen him around the forum & he seemed OK. The amount doesn’t seem enough to pull a scam, 0.3BTC is nothing! What a piece of shit

Indeed that 0.3 amount is very small amount. The user could join a good signature campaign [Looking at his post quality and previous activity] and could make more than this scammed amount in a legitimate way. But for this nothing amount he made the choice to scam was bit shocking for me.

That's what I was thinking.  Not long ago DarkStar_ mentioned he was looking for a quality poster who's active in the Philippine local, and TYM could have been one of the top candidates if he applied.  He could have earned what he owed me in about 10 weeks.

Feeling sad for your lost but as suddenly he disappear right now we have to just pray for him may be in near future he came here and give back your all funds because its really frustraded to lost funds in this way.

[AB de Royse777]

Damn DWM!
I have no word to show the simpathey bud. It's sad that this happened with a co-lender. We are in the same business makes me think that this high amounts really need colletaral regarding whatever quality they have in their posts.

The defaulter really made a bad decision imho.

Sorry for your loss bud.

Edit: Left him a red and flag supported.
This guy seemed well respected in his local community. Very strange return of the earned respect. Really people can do such things, amazed me the most. I had similar bad experience by the way but still awaiting though before doing anything.

[Baofeng]

[..snip..]
This guy seemed well respected in his local community. Very strange return of the earned respect. Really people can do such things, amazed me the most. I had similar bad experience by the way but still awaiting though before doing anything.

Not just in our local community, but the whole forum. So I'm really saddened to hear this news, and I can't say what had happened to him IRL. Will try to bring this message to our local to see if someone knew him personally.

[cabalism13]

I just happened to see this issue on our Local.

And Sorry for your loss @DireWolfM14, that is indeed a huge amount of money - in our currency. AFAIK he also had some kind of transaction just like that, same amount, back then. And from what I know he doesn't seem to have any problem.
And also just to add some details, maybe the user is currently having financial problem, because the last time I talked to him during the last dump he lost too much.

But still he didn't want to join any campaign here.
From what I know he is a Business person, I wasn't able to meet the user personally back then. I will try to contact him on telegram but it seems he was away for a long time.
This the second time so I think this must be his reason but I don't think a lack of communication is excusable.
Will support the flag.

What a waste for an account.

[The Cryptovator]

Supported flag and left feedback as well.

It's quite surprising to me, as far as I knew he was a good contributor on the forum. We had talked each other via PM at the beginning. To be honest I wouldn't imagine that he will be turned into scammer here. Hope he will back and will repaid your lent amount. But problem is amount is quite big (when you lent) and easily he can skip with it and he is able to build another account easily. But should think positive. Really sorry for your loss. It's become very difficult to trust even any trusted users with money. Money could change mind, day by day we are losing humanity.

[sheenshane]

What a waste for an account.

Tsk, just because of 0.3 BTC he just has thrown away his account, what a mess. Probably if he paid his defaulted loan maybe it will back to normal. As far as I knew him, he was a crypto trader. I suspect that he might lose and not recover on that business.

To be honest I admire that user back then (when he was very active) because he was a good poster/contributor in our local, but now I supported the flag and leaving neg tag as well.

Sorry for your loss @DireWolfM14, even though that user received neg tag, the defaulted loan is still huge and probably it takes time for you to recover it by that business. I hope he will still pay and might have a personal problem with the reason for long inactivity and lack of communication.

I will try to contact him in the telegram and in discord.

[TheUltraElite]

Even if a thousand "Sorry for your loss" messages are posted here only the lender knows how sad and painful this process is.

Having to message your borrower once a while every week to remind that person of the repayment date and amount and slowly seeing the signs of life go away from their contact source is painful deep down. I know this because I was once a lender on another forum.

You cannot trust anybody on any site regardless of how well known or well trusted they are. You can only trust on collateral, though my intention is not to demean the lenders giving out non collateral loans because I know that people rarely come up with collateral and you have keep your business running.

It takes a few seconds for them to change their nature and whatever problem the borrower may have fallen into does not change the fact that they ghosted their lender. This is tough for a lender who is also has to do an internal conflict of being a stern loan shark and being compassionate to their borrower because they are the customer.
Flag supported.

[cabalism13]

Even if a thousand "Sorry for your loss" messages are posted here only the lender knows how sad and painful this process is.

"Sorry for your loss"  left the group thread.
I don't know but have you checked the history of the user? Too many posts has been deleted from what I notice... It really seems that the user tends/plans to do this (Just a mere guess based on what we've been talking about on our local & TG Group) User just been trying to reloan and reloan until someone trust him for a big amount (also a guess from another user on our Group)

[LoyceV]

I don't know but have you checked the history of the user? Too many posts has been deleted from what I notice...

I have archived 16 of his posts since July 2019. None of those have been deleted.

He mentioned that he was starting a physical bitcoin business in the Philippines, and that he was working on getting a fiat loan.  He was supposed to pay me back with the money he got for his business loan.

In retrospect, paying back a loan by taking another loan should have been a big red flag.

[LogitechMouse]

Even if a thousand "Sorry for your loss" messages are posted here only the lender knows how sad and painful this process is.

I will not say "Sorry for your loss" right now because of this post but will say...... can't think of it
Anyway, I know how that feels because I also experienced being defaulted on a loan. The only difference is that the amount of the loan that is defaulted to you is very huge. 0.388224 BTC is around 116,753 PHP here in our country right now (base on CMC converter). We can build a business already with that amount of money or franchise a business.

This user is very helpful in our local section and he sometimes shares some of his sMerits with some of our posts but there is a time where we didn't hear anything on him and we didn't expect that he will do this. He is very trustworthy and a respectable user here . This is a proof that "you shouldn't trust anybody in the internet world at all". Lending has risks though like this and this is unexpected TBH.

Flag supported. No "sorry for your loss" but I do hope that this will not happen to you again.

[cabalism13]

I don't know but have you checked the history of the user? Too many posts has been deleted from what I notice...

I have archived 16 of his posts since July 2019. None of those have been deleted.

Well that's because it was a loan application and payments (mostly) . I mean the posts that he made during 2017 and 2018

[DireWolfM14]

He mentioned that he was starting a physical bitcoin business in the Philippines, and that he was working on getting a fiat loan.  He was supposed to pay me back with the money he got for his business loan.

In retrospect, paying back a loan by taking another loan should have been a big red flag.

Agreed, but I don't believe that was his plan originally.  He didn't mention that intent until January, after I had already given him the loan and an extension.

Thanks to all the folks who are active in the Philippine local for taking this so seriously.  I want you all to know that I will never equate one person's actions to a whole race or ethnicity, and I hope this doesn't spur any bias against Filipinos on the forum.

[Dabs]

There are always a few bad apples in every group. So it's completely understandable. I didn't know him long enough or interact with him so I'm not sure what to make of it, but someone not signing on to his account for 3 months would seem uncharacteristic considering their prior behavior.

Many countries are also going on lockdown mode now, so things are just going to get worse.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Just had to come drop my sympathy with the affected user @DireWolfM14 who's one of the finest lender on the forum. it's quite unfortunate that things like this still happens especially from "supposedly" well established members that should lead by example. Cases like this depriveds others the privilege to receive same favor as the fear of getting frauded again rings through the OP's mind and at the same time, other lenders try to play it safe to prevent been in similar situations.

Although there's isn't much I or anyone else can do, this scam accusation is getting a flag support and feedback from me as a sign of my support for the OP, wish you better deals in the future.

Ps: The dollar value of BTC0.3 currently could be small but the Satoshi worth shouldn't be underestimated.

[AlexSimion]

Dai bani lui DireWolfM14! la urmatoarea postare pun poza cu tine iar la a doua addresa si nume.   

FYI    to translate this , as it seems the one who posted knows the loan defaulter   " Give the money back to DireWolfM14 , my next post will be a photo of you , and the next one your address and name.


Pretty confused  thought the loan defaulter was from Phillipines , but apparently he's romanian.

[Heisenberg_Hunter]

Running a no-collateral lending business is as risky as hell. With just 300-400 posts, TYM seemed to be a promising poster and I was just having an eye on their profile for a year or two closely. They seemed to be active in trading but with the recent pump and dump in the alt market and as cabalism pointed out they should have lost few bitcoins during the alts trade. There would have been no other way for TYM other than running away without repaying the loan amount to the lender. 


There was a similar case this January with a quality poster pandukelana2712 defaulting a non-collateral loan of 0.064BTC lent by DarkStar_ I do hope both these accounts return back and pay to their lenders covering the interest rates. pandukelana2712 and theyoungmillionaire were more or less similar in nature of building up their accounts and trustworthiness over the years and finally defaulting a non-collateral loan. pandukelana2712 could have repaid the amount easily within a period of 2-3 months of signature campaign posts and so does theyoungmillionaire. It's quite surprising to see that some just build up their trust to finally end up in scam! 

[AdolfinWolf]

Pretty confused  thought the loan defaulter was from Phillipines , but apparently he's romanian.

I'm pretty sure he's from the philippines. Scrolling through his post history there's lots and lots of posts posted in filipino.

I don't see any posts in Romanian. His personal text seems to be referring, although a bit cryptic, to "Enisala Fortress"; whatever that may mean.

It's interesting though, why that sockpuppet would post such a post in "Romanian". Perhaps a native speaker could tell us if that sentence is google-translated.

I am very positive on bitcoin that is why I have resigned in my work (Former Banker). I am now educating people about cryptocurrency, I travel a lot just to go to areas where in people has zero knowledge about cryptocurrency and that lead me here in bitcointalk for me to gain more knowledge. Always excited by reading reply or topics here and share to other people what I have learned.

So much for being a "banker". Pretty sure there are more (now) ironic quotes in his post history, but this post by itself already stands out to me.

[AlexSimion]

Pretty confused  thought the loan defaulter was from Phillipines , but apparently he's romanian.

I'm pretty sure he's from the philippines. Scrolling through his post history there's lots and lots of posts posted in filipino.

I don't see any posts in Romanian. His personal text seems to be referring, although a bit cryptic, to "Enisala Fortress"; whatever that may mean.

It's interesting though, why that sockpuppet would post such a post in "Romanian". Perhaps a native speaker could tell us if that sentence is google-translated.

I've checked his posting history aswell today due to his personal text ,   also Enisala Fortress reffers to the ruins of an medieval fortress located around 2 km close to a city called Enisala in the SE of Romania.

There's always the possibility of him being able to speak filipino aswell , or native Phillipines living in Romania etc.

If 1010matt will share more info about it , I might be able to help you DireWolfM14  to recover your money ,  since I'm living somewhat close-by.


I'm a native speaker and I'm pretty sure it's not google translated.


Edit : Just google translated to see how it would come out and the result from google would be this : "Dați banii înapoi la DireWolfM14, următoarea mea postare va fi o fotografie cu voi, iar următoarea dvs. adresa și numele      So pretty sure it's legit.

[AdolfinWolf]

Also:

Iasenko could probably get his IP from his account on cryptos-currencies.com ? (Or whoever was running Cryptos-Currencies.com ?) Not sure if that's (having his IP) really going to go anywhere though.

https://www.cryptos-currencies.com/profiles/theyoungmillionaire

I'm a native speaker and I'm pretty sure it's not google translated.


Edit : Just google translated to see how it would come out and the result from google would be this : "Dați banii înapoi la DireWolfM14, următoarea mea postare va fi o fotografie cu voi, iar următoarea dvs. adresa și numele      So pretty sure it's legit.

That's weird. Looks like we perhaps have a good samaritan amongst us.   (Edit: I highly doubt it )

There's always the possibility of him being able to speak filipino aswell , or native Phillipines living in Romania etc.

I guess.. That seems rather unlikely though. Also it would be weird for him to only be active in the Phillipine section, while also speaking Romanian. You'd expect him to also post in the romanian section, right?


Anyway, sorry for your loss OP.

[suchmoon]

Don't get too excited about a newbie offering "help". It could be a random nobody trying to run a scam on top of a scam, it would be scammer themselves trying to cover their tracks. Be extremely careful with any information provided by them and don't attempt vigilante justice... 0.3 BTC is not worth it.

[AlexSimion]

There's always the possibility of him being able to speak filipino aswell , or native Phillipines living in Romania etc.
I guess.. That seems rather unlikely though. Also it would be weird for him to only be active in the Phillipine section, while also speaking Romanian. You'd expect him to also post in the romanian section, right?

True about the romanian section , I checked it out aswell and I haven't found any posts from him  , but  , checking this guy's post history , his first posts etc , and I'm pretty sure this is his alt account , literally his 1st post is a guide on initial coins offerings  and soon to follow posts in the meta section etc , so pretty sure he has an alt account here somewhere.

[AlexSimion]

Don't get too excited about a newbie offering "help". It could be a random nobody trying to run a scam on top of a scam, it would be scammer themselves trying to cover their tracks. Be extremely careful with any information provided by them and don't attempt vigilante justice... 0.3 BTC is not worth it.

I thought about it and it's a posibility ,   and I don't believe in "vigilante justice" as it most likely will cause more problems than solutions ,  but he's in fact romanian etc , I am willing to help DireWolf file a police complaint etc in case he wishes to pursue this.

[stompix]

Dai bani lui DireWolfM14! la urmatoarea postare pun poza cu tine iar la a doua addresa si nume.  

I'm a native speaker and I'm pretty sure it's not google translated.

Hmm, I've forwarded this to another member here, he hasn't posted yet in this thread although I've asked him but he told me the correct phrase would be

Dai banii lui DireWolfM14! la urmatoarea postare pun poza cu tine iar la a doua addresa si numele.  

So?

[AlexSimion]

Dai bani lui DireWolfM14! la urmatoarea postare pun poza cu tine iar la a doua addresa si nume.  

I'm a native speaker and I'm pretty sure it's not google translated.

Hmm, I've forwarded this to another member here, he hasn't posted yet in this thread although I've asked him but he told me the correct phrase would be

Dai banii lui DireWolfM14! la urmatoarea postare pun poza cu tine iar la a doua addresa si numele.  

So?

the "i" from banii which is missing is a pretty common gramatical mistake we as romanians do , that's why I find it very hard to believe that if he googled translated it the word money would have been correctly spelled with 2 "i" ,  the 2nd "d" in addresa , could be a typo ,  the "le" from numele ,  is simpy articulating it ,  and it's works with or without ,    in english being like  and the 2nd one address and name / the name.

[peonminer]

Sorry for your loss dire. That's a large chunk of corn to just up and lose. Fucking scammers. I supported your flag. The evidence is overwhelming.

[stompix]

@AlexSimion
Well, I have no way to know or argue about this but it's just a bit more uncertainty, even if it's only a typo or just because some don't write like that, too many coincidences for a simple phrase for which you've gone through the trouble of opening a new account and post this "threat"?

Unfortunately, I can't find a way to check how long he had that location on his profile since there is no google cache, no waybackmachine no nothing. Maybe the Cryptios team can dig a bit since I assume they are Romanians also but I don't know what the point of this would be and if it has anything to do with the forum moderation. Anyhow, this should be in an investigation topic, if DireWolfM14 wants to open one.

Don't get too excited about a newbie offering "help". It could be a random nobody trying to run a scam on top of a scam, it would be scammer themselves trying to cover their tracks. Be extremely careful with any information provided by them and don't attempt vigilante justice... 0.3 BTC is not worth it.

Yeah, there is always the possibility the leaked photos and address might be of somebody innocent who the whistleblower has a grudge with.

[DireWolfM14]

apparently he's romanian.

Aren't all vampires?

Don't get too excited about a newbie offering "help". It could be a random nobody trying to run a scam on top of a scam, it would be scammer themselves trying to cover their tracks. Be extremely careful with any information provided by them and don't attempt vigilante justice... 0.3 BTC is not worth it.

Meh.  I'm too old for that Rambo shit, and it ain't the first time I've lost money.  As much as I'd like it to be the last, I'm not too confident about that either.

If I don't here back from TYM by Monday I'll be filing a police report.  Theymos offered to cooperate with the fuzz, but I won't be holding my breath about the money.  If nothing else I'll have another tax-write-off for my 2020 filing.

[AlexSimion]

snip

It very well could be a decoy to throw off the case.

Aren't all vampires?

Indeed they are

If I don't here back from TYM by Monday I'll be filing a police report.  Theymos offered to cooperate with the fuzz, but I won't be holding my breath about the money.  If nothing else I'll have another tax-write-off for my 2020 filing.

Filling a police report could be the perfect incentive for him to come and pay you back.   

[posi]

The user seemed very promising and was doing great job for the community especially in their local community. There must be something wrong with him, possibly any physical condition or something? It's hard to believe that they are not responding and ran away with the money but till this point it's seems that's the truth.

It won't be the first time a promising user took the opportunity to steal when it presented itself.

That's correct and i hope he can prove us wrong. I will advise the loan lender of this forum to always check the activities of the user before giving them a loan.

There's always the possibility of him being able to speak filipino aswell , or native Phillipines living in Romania etc.

I guess.. That seems rather unlikely though. Also it would be weird for him to only be active in the Phillipine section, while also speaking Romanian. You'd expect him to also post in the romanian section, right?

I think the guy (theyoungmillionaire) in subject used fake location and it either he's a native of Filipino who reside in -5 time zone (Jamaica, Panama etc) due to the time i saw on his profile page at the local time space.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I think the guy (theyoungmillionaire) in subject used fake location and it either he's a native of Filipino who reside in -5 time zone (Jamaica, Panama etc) due to the time i saw on his profile page at the local time space.

None of this does not matter anymore. What matters is if he comes back and repay DireWolfM14 and we might learn a lesson here that in this space no one is trusted with good amount of money unless he has a very good past record of handling large sums like OgNasty did for the forum. There are few more like DarkStar_ too.

[Maus0728]

Good Day Everyone and especially to DireWolfM14

I have known theyoungmillionaire for about 2 years now and we've been talking in telegram starting from the day we've talk here in this community until this last month of February 2. I don't know why he let his account became dormant considering that he has a pending loan in this community which I think is very large chunk of money here in the Philippines and requires clear conversation with the lender.  DireWolfM14 is correct that he is starting a physical bitcoin business in the Philippines (in our country) and is looking for people who will lend him some money for the production of his Physical Bitcoin collectibles and other Bitcoin related products which is specifically designed for our country. Prior to that, I advised him that he is taking too much financial risk if he is going to continue to borrow money from other people in building his business empire, but I do not think if he is listening or not.

Furthermore, it would be very beneficial for DireWolfM14 if he is going to talk some of the admin or people from the GCC Community (Global Cryptocurrency) as he is a former Ambassador of Global Cryptocurrency.

Telegram: t.me/GCCcoin

You might also want to read this article for more information about theyoungmillionaire

It’s update time: GCC Ambassadors and GitHub code repo.


From our very last conversation, he mentioned that he is doing some programming in building his bitcoin business website and is struggling to publicize it into the community due to some of the inconsistencies and functionalities of the website.

I don't know what happened with theyoungmillionaire but I hope that he is not being affected with the pandemic. He became my brother in this community who guided me in this forum. Unfortunately, I also feel bad about him since I also lend him a small fraction of BTC that comes from my allowance in college and commissioned drawings.

I hope this helps you DireWolfM14. I will also support your flag and will remove it if theyoungmillionaire comply.

[rhomelmabini]

<....>

The GitHub repo is not active and just one commit the last year and now, nothing, I guess it has failed. The real name of him can be seen on that article and I don't know if it's real but as what BitcoinGirl.Club said that doesn't matter as long as he pays his defaulted loan to Direwolf14. Supported the flag.

[posi]

I think the guy (theyoungmillionaire) in subject used fake location and it either he's a native of Filipino who reside in -5 time zone (Jamaica, Panama etc) due to the time i saw on his profile page at the local time space.

None of this does not matter anymore. What matters is if he comes back and repay DireWolfM14 and we might learn a lesson here that in this space no one is trusted with a good amount of money unless he has a very good past record of handling large sums like OgNasty did for the forum. There are few more like DarkStar_ too.

You're absolutely right. I hope this is not somehow related to the doxxing said by theymos but trying to help cause i did some few searches with the name i found on the post provided by Maus0728 and this is what i found.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HHnJPvcXqnM
https://m.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=153762051338778&id=173104782710804
In the meantime, i think user Maus0728 will have his phone number where DireWolfM14 can contact him since they are friends friend.

[GreatArkansas]

I also remember, theyoungmillionaire made a loan in our Local section, theyoungmillionaire PMed me and he/she want to make a loan and we decided it to post all proof (signed keys from his/her bitcoin wallet and all are verified there) in the Lending thread in our Local and I was able to lend him last May 30, 2019 and after less than 2 weeks, he/she was able to paid back the loan, June 11, 2019.
And after his/her loan in me in our Local section, as I recall before, theyoungmillionaire was able to ask a loan for DireWolfM14.

[Lafu]

Dont know what happend to theyoungmillionaire and just have seen this thread now !
I put him for now on my Distrust list and wait for support the Flag!
His last activity was January 06, 2020 so maybe something is happend !
If he dont get online in the the next 2 weeks and explain what is happend i will support the flag and will delete my Feedback !

Normaly its not the behave he doing or has done in past !

[Timelord2067]

Given noone has come forward to say their account has been hacked it's very likely that tym has done an exit scam and they therefore have other alts out there that are building up trust to do the same thing over and over again.  Can anyone give information on distinct things tym has said or done that might build up a finger-print or profile?  I see some people have touched on spelling as a possible area of focus.

As others have mention I have given negative trust feedback and added distrust of tym on my trust list.  I don't imagine I'll be removing either anytime soon.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Hi DireWolfM14,

Ive been in contact a long time ago with TYM and I know his affiliation on GCC project. He did invited me before to join their activity to learn and earn on their business but I did refuse as my priority is of different course. I admire him, due to his outstanding performance in posting here, but with the said issue of loan default. I would like to help a bit with some information I know. Weve been in contact two years ago with the Facebook account his using but now (deactivated). Its just sad that this guy went ghost for this default loan. Many has admired him on our local community (including me) and look forward to his achievement. I am not sure whether he got rekt on his business or been sick or any reason for his absence. But the mere fact that he turn down his social account, and leaving our Filipino group on telegram, means he is evading and avoiding such payment. I know you will be making necessary action for this. We do hope that you can still recover what you have lost. Below are some info hope can help.

Contacts or any proof that might help you reach him

He informed me a long time before his from Abra, Northen Province of Philippiens but migrated to Masbate, part of Visayas Region, Philippines. This info can help you identified his whereabout by looking into details if necessary.

https://www.facebook.com/The.Young.Millionaires.Team/videos/1811217755605964/
Group on Facebook. As what mentioned by @Maus0728

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HHnJPvcXqnM

Based on this video, and the personal pictures/photos he send me thru messenger. I think this is the TYM real looks. Similar, but his name is hard to know if valid or just an alias unless, confirm on Philippines Statistic Association.

Can anyone give information on distinct things tym has said or done that might build up a finger-print or profile?  I see some people have touched on spelling as a possible area of focus.

I have few photos or personal pictures scraped from our discussion before (around 2018) on chat app, also his name used on Facebook but likewise, this is hard to prove unless done some verification on PSA, NBI, or any agency on the Philippines.


NOTE: for OP, I can send to you the pictures in PM, if you need it @DireWolfM14 for validation and used as evidence for recovering your funds (cant post here the photos as these are sensitive to post here and still respect his identity and privacy)

But for the meantime, I guess everyone should give him time to open up to clear things here. I just so sad that one of the best User on our Local fall on this kind of situation. I do hope he clears his name and paid you but if not and really make an exit scam then I truly sorry for that.  

[LoyceV]

Facebook Name: xxxxxxxxx

Careful here: DOXing is only allowed in Investigations. You should probably move your post, see theymos' post.

[blue Snow]

Careful here: DOXing is only allowed in Investigations.

Hello there, maybe you put wrong url.

An Error Has Occurred!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

[Timelord2067]

Careful here: DOXing is only allowed in Investigations.

Hello there, maybe you put wrong url.

An Error Has Occurred!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

What part of OFF LIMITS do you not understand?  Did you think that Newbies would be allowed to just sign up and then scrape all the information that is stored there?  If you preserve, you might just rank up enough to see that section.

[logfiles]

Oooh My goodness 
This definitely has come as a very big surprise to me. I never interacted with  theyoungmillionaire personally but his good deeds around the forum would never go unnoticed.

Looking at purpose of the loan which TYM said was trading, could we also think of a possibility that he did try to do spot/margin trading and got rekt during the recent unexpected down trend?

[yahoo62278]

Oooh My goodness 
This definitely has come as a very big surprise to me. I never interacted with  theyoungmillionaire personally but his good deeds around the forum would never go unnoticed.

Looking at purpose of the loan which TYM said was trading, could we also think of a possibility that he did try to do spot/margin trading and got rekt during the recent unexpected down trend?

Rekt or not you should still keep an open line of communication with your lender and try to work out a repayment plan. Honestly, you should never take a loan period if you do not have the means to repay it if your reason for the loan falls through.

When users get loans here, they are not thinking about the repayment. They always(maybe not always but most of the time) think what they're getting the loan for will happen for them. Id their deal goes south, whether it be trading, gambling, or some other reason, they will just cease all communication and walk away from the forum on their account. They know they can just buy another account cheaper then repaying the large loan.

Lenders should take that into consideration when making large loans. There are no repercussions except losing their account. Most are not reputable enough to care about having to start over.

Might be better to start getting ID from users so you could at least possibly prosecute someone in court if they don't repay you. Either way, some system needs set in place to make users accountable for their actions.

[DireWolfM14]

Might be better to start getting ID from users so you could at least possibly prosecute someone in court if they don't repay you. Either way, some system needs set in place to make users accountable for their actions.

I don't think that's a good idea, identification documents are way too easy to forge and that could lead lenders to assume a false sense of security.  That's one of the reasons I'm not too hopeful about other members claiming to know who theyoungmillionaire is IRL.  They may be right, but they could just as easily have been misled by theyoungmillionaire falsely disclosing information and photographs that were intended to mislead.

In fact, recently I had a member take his time being very friendly, sending messages on a chat app just to "say hi," sending me photos of himself participating in hobbies of his...  Sure enough, he eventually asked me for a loan.  Not a big one, but one I wouldn't qualify him for on the basis of his account status.  Were all those messages just to build up to the loan request?  Are the photos legitimately of him?  I can't say for sure, as I don't know what his plans were and how long he's been brewing them.

I would also be concerned about malicious use of IDs.  For example; Alice could pretend to be Bob while applying for a loan, with the intention of defaulting and framing Bob. 

[JollyGood]

It would not be a surprise if that user was sending photos of himself (either real or fake) for the intention of asking for a loan. Nothing to say he was not genuine but since you have a loan service you might be contacted far more often than many others would.

As for theyoungmillionaire he really should have kept in touch to advise you what happened with his late payments, it would have at least showed something from his side. It is definitely not nice to take a loss on a loan, I think the amount he took was not exactly massive but he might have had his reasons. Suppose his account was created for the sole purpose or asking a lender for a loan or suppose his account was purchased not long ago with the intention of running it for a short time before asking for a loan he had no intention of paying.

I think KYC for your loan service would be a bad idea for the reasons you mentioned below about framing someone else or even forging documents. Non-collateral loans and even those with low-level collateral are too risky to take a chance on.

I don't think that's a good idea, identification documents are way too easy to forge and that could lead lenders to assume a false sense of security.  That's one of the reasons I'm not too hopeful about other members claiming to know who theyoungmillionaire is IRL.  They may be right, but they could just as easily have been misled by theyoungmillionaire falsely disclosing information and photographs that were intended to mislead.

In fact, recently I had a member take his time being very friendly, sending messages on a chat app just to "say hi," sending me photos of himself participating in hobbies of his...  Sure enough, he eventually asked me for a loan.  Not a big one, but one I wouldn't qualify him for on the basis of his account status.  Were all those messages just to build up to the loan request?  Are the photos legitimately of him?  I can't say for sure, as I don't know what his plans were and how long he's been brewing them.

I would also be concerned about malicious use of IDs.  For example; Alice could pretend to be Bob while applying for a loan, with the intention of defaulting and framing Bob.  

[TheBeardedBaby]

Not that really matters now but I supported the flag, I'm gonna leave a negative feedback as well.
I don't know what happened with the guy but for sure didn't expect such stupid reaction from him if he did it on purpose. Sometimes funny things happen which are so ridiculous that sound like a blatant lie but are true I hope this is the case of TYM comes back and he repays his loan ASAP.  We have exchanged some PMs in the past but nothing serious, he looked like a nice guy. I've seen him in my list with inactive merited people but never thought that the reason was a defaulted loan.

[1miau]

It's extremely sad to see this happen, hopefully this problem will be resolved and his account recovered, which is still possible (maybe he's reading here). For now I've removed him from my trust list (should be updated next weekend).

Last year, he PMed me and I wrote a few times back, but nothing special. Seems like he was doing that quite often, but I highly doubt he had a scam in his mind. Most likely he's having hard times with his business and that's still giving hope he might come back.

I wish all the best to get the money recovered for DireWolfM14 and the account for theyoungmillionaire, would be a big loss. 

[Maus0728]

During the last few days, i tried sending and flooded him some messages in his telegram account but still I don't see any activity which can give us hope for the trouble he makes.

I am also getting confused if those pictures he sent to @cryptoaddictchie and from the clip video in youtube is actually him  . This bothers me a lot since we've talked for a very long time and he gained my respect.

In the meantime, i think user Maus0728 will have his phone number where DireWolfM14 can contact him since they are friends friend.

No, I did not bother getting his credentials like phone number because I am comfortable talking to him in telegram as I also respect his privacy which he requested to me, but I don't think this will work this time since he broke his trust. At some point during last year December, he actually requested for a meet - up to discuss his plans for his business in our country and he wanted to seek some help but I failed to comply due to time constraint and commitment in my academic life (college).


I am not sure if this is only a show to prove that he is busy building bitcoin products business to have an excuse for getting a loan, but I think it would be very beneficial for other members to see these as well.

Here are one of the template of the product he sent.

Here is the proposed website that will serve as the online store: http://bitcoinphwetrust.com/
Note: Unfortunately, he failed to publish it online.

He is astonishing that he made a lot of effort in creating this start up business but I worry that he is expending a large sum of money that comes from multiple loans just to cover its capital which makes him financially vulnerable if his business will not make a return. I also hope that he is fine physically as well due to the ongoing pandemic.

Hope he'll make some move for the trouble he makes.

[Little Mouse]

Here is the proposed website that will serve as the online store: http://bitcoinphwetrust.com/
Note: Unfortunately, he failed to publish it online.

The domain is never registered. I just have checked it. Was he pretending to you? It seems like that. If he was serious about his business, he should have register the domain long ago.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

<snip>

Good to see some more insight and it looks like he was indeed working on a project but was it really necessary to do it based on borrowing. None of these are going to help OP. There is another user few weeks ago created some mess in a local section and people were talking that he left with the money but later he came back and I guess paid his lender.

Let's hope TYM will do the same.

Here is the proposed website that will serve as the online store: http://bitcoinphwetrust.com/
Note: Unfortunately, he failed to publish it online.

The domain is never registered. I just have checked it. Was he pretending to you? It seems like that. If he was serious about his business, he should have register the domain long ago.

Just checked and it's still available.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Also:

Iasenko could probably get his IP from his account on cryptos-currencies.com ? (Or whoever was running Cryptos-Currencies.com ?) Not sure if that's (having his IP) really going to go anywhere though.

https://www.cryptos-currencies.com/profiles/theyoungmillionaire

Sorry I haven't seen this earlier that's why you get my reply now.
I have no access to this information on the https://www.cryptos-currencies.com but the admin probably has, if this information is still relevant, you can contact lulucrypto if he can provide you with this info.

BTW I've been trough my PMs and I can tell that this guy really invested a lot of time and effort reporting spam, I don't think he will leave the forum for like 2500$ and ruin the whole reputation. Probably it's a lot of money where he lives but still, with his reputation had a chance to make this 2.5K for like 4-5 months.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Sorry I haven't seen this earlier that's why you get my reply now.
I have no access to this information on the https://www.cryptos-currencies.com but the admin probably has, if this information is still relevant, you can contact lulucrypto if he can provide you with this info.

Unless he use tor then it is possible to find his location from the IP. OP can cross check it with the IP he used in this forum too. But I think it will need some legal document or so.

BTW I've been trough my PMs and I can tell that this guy really invested a lot of time and effort reporting spam, I don't think he will leave the forum for like 2500$ and ruin the whole reputation. Probably it's a lot of money where he lives but still, with his reputation had a chance to make this 2.5K for like 4-5 months.

This makes me believe that he will come back and will try to make things right. If he does then it good for both him and DireWolfM14

[LoyceV]

BTW I've been trough my PMs and I can tell that this guy really invested a lot of time and effort reporting spam, I don't think he will leave the forum for like 2500$ and ruin the whole reputation. Probably it's a lot of money where he lives but still, with his reputation had a chance to make this 2.5K for like 4-5 months.

I don't think his plan was to scam when he started, but if he was trying to pay back one loan by taking another, my guess is he has more debts elsewhere too. That could put his total debt far above an (average) annual salary where he lives, and my guess is his debt on Bitcointalk is a lot easier to walk away from than debts he took in real life.

[sujonali1819]

It's a huge amount really since the bitcoin price is high. Though this post was made a few days ago and just now I am read this and shocked. Maybe he lost the fund in trading and now unable to pay the principal. I hope he will come online and will pay the loan. Actually nothing has to do now without hoping. anyway, Flag supported and tagged. 

[TheBeardedBaby]

BTW I've been trough my PMs and I can tell that this guy really invested a lot of time and effort reporting spam, I don't think he will leave the forum for like 2500$ and ruin the whole reputation. Probably it's a lot of money where he lives but still, with his reputation had a chance to make this 2.5K for like 4-5 months.

I don't think his plan was to scam when he started, but if he was trying to pay back one loan by taking another, my guess is he has more debts elsewhere too. That could put his total debt far above an (average) annual salary where he lives, and my guess is his debt on Bitcointalk is a lot easier to walk away from than debts he took in real life.

Maybe you are right but I think he is a kind of a guy who will come here  and say directly that he is not able to pay back the loan and apologize for his actions instead of disappearing without further notice.
That's probably what I would do if I end up in the situation like this. Of course this won't happened with me because I would never take a loan I don't like the loans at all.

[AlexSimion]

Maybe you are right but I think he is a kind of a guy who will come here  and say directly that he is not able to pay back the loan and apologize for his actions instead of disappearing without further notice.
That's probably what I would do if I end up in the situation like this. Of course this won't happened with me because I would never take a loan I don't like the loans at all.

Well , I'm quite sure nobody actually likes to take loans , and it's mostly due to urgent needs .

I think if millionaire would actually come back  and propose some payment plan to Direwolf he might have a chance to save his reputation a bit , I see many guys here on the thread are claiming what an asset he was to the community .  These whole situations are starting to look like anyone would scam for the right amount of BTC

[JollyGood]

Which is why it was really important for him to have had the courtesy to at least reply and explain the extent of any issues he was going through to the person that was kind enough to lend him BTC without collateral in the first place. Had theyoungmillionaire been proactive enough to stay in contact with DireWolfM14 then maybe he would not have raised it as a concern for another month or two and who knows by then maybe he could have found himself in a better position to repay the loan.

I cannot say either way if theyoungmillionaire created his account with the long term goal to scam because it seems looking through his posts he had repaid at least one loan in June 2019 of 0.0275BTC which includind interest: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142115.msg51430170#msg51430170

I don't think his plan was to scam when he started, but if he was trying to pay back one loan by taking another, my guess is he has more debts elsewhere too. That could put his total debt far above an (average) annual salary where he lives, and my guess is his debt on Bitcointalk is a lot easier to walk away from than debts he took in real life.

[Maus0728]

I don't think his plan was to scam when he started, but if he was trying to pay back one loan by taking another, my guess is he has more debts elsewhere too. That could put his total debt far above an (average) annual salary where he lives, and my guess is his debt on Bitcointalk is a lot easier to walk away from than debts he took in real life.

I think you are right, I bet that he is heavily in debt to some of the manufacturers he make contact with. As far as I remember, he is communicating to 6 manufacturers in building his products. And there is a greater chance he has more debt in real world other than this.

This is his estimation for product pricing.





Aside from his loan to DireWolf, he said that he needed more amount of BTC to fund his ongoing business



I just can't take this because I also lent him my personal money that is my allowance and it's a lot for me as a student.

[LogitechMouse]

To be honest, i think the mistake the OP made giving him loan while he's yet to repay the previous one and business doesn't work like that or else the business may crumble or situation like this will always occur. It will be nice if the loan service provider could use the rules of not giving another loan if the previous is not pay no matter the status of the user account.

The fact that theyoungmillionaire is a reputable, trusted and a helpful user here in the forum made the OP give him a loan even though his previous loans wasn't paid yet but anyways, it happened already and we can't do anything about it unless he will come back here and pay which is I think........

I don't think his plan was to scam when he started, but if he was trying to pay back one loan by taking another, my guess is he has more debts elsewhere too. That could put his total debt far above an (average) annual salary where he lives, and my guess is his debt on Bitcointalk is a lot easier to walk away from than debts he took in real life.

Since we are anonymous here or should I say we didn't share any of our personal information here, yes it is easier to walk away with his loans here than in real life.
My theory is that he had full of debts in real life since he is a businessman/failed trader (I hate to say failed but I think he is though) and he used and abused his reputation here and get many loans from the OP.

I just can't take this because I also lent him my personal money that is my allowance and it's a lot for me as a student.

You're a student and yet you got a huge money already but you didn't handle it properly and got baited by this user . Feel bad for you though.

[DireWolfM14]

I just can't take this because I also lent him my personal money that is my allowance and it's a lot for me as a student.

I'm sorry I missed this, and sorry for your loss.  How much did you lend to him?  Do you have any evidence, or chat logs?  If so feel free to post them here.  I also suggest you file a police report.

[AlexSimion]

Considering  how many people here seemed to know him  in the fillipino community most likely there's someone who has more info on his real identity , I think these people should come forward already .

Now I'm more curious on what happened with this guy :

Dai bani lui DireWolfM14! la urmatoarea postare pun poza cu tine iar la a doua addresa si nume.  

I see his post got deleted/got nuked Or did he delete it by himself ?    Maybe he was infact theyoungmillionaire ?  And tryed to throw us of his trail ? Same as with the personal text on his profile ?



theyoungmillionaire  apparently has made some fiat to btc deals with user https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=914465 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1179651   on the forum in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113147.msg49868494#msg49868494

Considering that fiat was involved you might get some leeds on his identity.

[mk4]

Holy. Just saw this thread from our local section. Now this is a scam accusation I wouldn't expect.

Pretty confused  thought the loan defaulter was from Phillipines , but apparently he's romanian.

I'm pretty sure he's from the philippines. Scrolling through his post history there's lots and lots of posts posted in filipino.

I don't see any posts in Romanian. His personal text seems to be referring, although a bit cryptic, to "Enisala Fortress"; whatever that may mean.

It's interesting though, why that sockpuppet would post such a post in "Romanian". Perhaps a native speaker could tell us if that sentence is google-translated.

I've checked his posting history aswell today due to his personal text ,   also Enisala Fortress reffers to the ruins of an medieval fortress located around 2 km close to a city called Enisala in the SE of Romania.

There's always the possibility of him being able to speak filipino aswell , or native Phillipines living in Romania etc.

If 1010matt will share more info about it , I might be able to help you DireWolfM14  to recover your money ,  since I'm living somewhat close-by.

Chatted the dude a few times in the past concerning Bitcoin, exchanges, hardware wallets, and banks; and I can confirm that it's highly likely that this dude is a Filipino local. Though I really can't 100% guarantee it, if you've lived in the Philippines for a decade, you'd automatically assume that he's a local because of the way he phrases and expresses things because of the local lingo.

One thing I can say about him though, is that this dude is quite serious concerning his personal privacy and mentioned it early on even though I didn't even make any attempts in knowing who he is in person(I mean, I wasn't interested in the first place anyway). Taking personal privacy extra seriously is definitely not a bad thing though(in fact, a good thing). Just thought I'd mention this here.

Anyway, best of luck moving forward to DireWolfM14 and others.

[Maus0728]

I just can't take this because I also lent him my personal money that is my allowance and it's a lot for me as a student.

You're a student and yet you got a huge money already but you didn't handle it properly and got baited by this user . Feel bad for you though.

Yes, I am still a college student. As for you guys it is not that huge amount of money and will not regret if I will gonna lose it. But the fact that I gave my trust to someone whom I considered brother for long time is big deal. That money comes from my 4  week allowance which I used in buying bitcoin for long term hold, but I decided to lend him that money because I just wanted to help as it will help me too because he promised me to pay it back with an interest at a given date. It happened already and I don't have anything else to do here!. I just hope that he's okay for the sake of DireWolfM14

I'm sorry I missed this, and sorry for your loss.  How much did you lend to him?  Do you have any evidence, or chat logs?  If so feel free to post them here.  I also suggest you file a police report.

It really has a big difference compared to the money you lent to TYM and It is just a small fraction of bitcoin as stated in the above reply to LogitechMouse. I don't think filing a police report is a good idea with that amount of money.



This is the address he used for receiving my BTC: 35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
Reference id: 44f882d9bc7d

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
In his address, there are total of 155 transactions.

We've used coins.ph in making this transaction.


This time around. I want to help DireWolfM14

[hd49728]

I knew about TYM because for a long time ago (before the loan default) he was likely a great user on the forum. From my memory, his post activities started to decrease since the second half of 2019.

For the OP story, it's sad to know that your loan defaulted but would you mind sharing how many rounds of loan TYM made deal from you, before the last defaulted one, please.

Your lending service is one of the best ones on the forum, I know it but it makes me shocked, honestly because accepting a loan with nearly 0.4 BTC is a big one from my opinion.

Anyway, I supported your flag and hope that TYM will come back (if he got troubles and he was still a good guy he will come back to make his loan repayments when his troubles solved).

[barlo357]

that guy is secretly fishing for merit on the time that he is still a Member rank. too bad that i cleared our convo back then

i'm also secretly being bitter on his merit count and thought of one day he will make a shady action

i hope you already looking forward and moved on on what happened to you

[adultbit]

Chances is that if he finds himself good in what he is doing then he'd be doing it over again. He is fond translating tutorials and articles into Filipino like this one http://archive.is/wip/mGl7E

He could be using this technique still to earn merits and rank his new account.

[Timelord2067]

Has anyone reached out to any of these people?  There's still a DT1 in the list (and they're active on the Forum as we speak)

Trust list for: theyoungmillionaire (Trust: !!!:  +6 / =0 / -21) (1013 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-06-20_Sat_05.04h)
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theyoungmillionaire's judgement is Trusted by:
1. TMAN (Trust: +28 / =1 / -3) (1303 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Innocant (Trust: neutral) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. lienfaye (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. finaleshot2016 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 767 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Squishy01 (Trust: neutral) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. GDragon (Trust: neutral) (117 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. eldrin (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (38 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. yazher (Trust: neutral) (472 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. Silent26 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (224 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. creeps (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. LogitechMouse (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (233 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (588 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. nakamura12 (Trust: neutral) (210 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. Strufmbae (Trust: neutral) (20 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. twiki (Trust: neutral) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

The DT1 on this list has also swapped 40+ merits each way between the two of them.


Interestingly enough both changed their passwords on the same day:

theyoungmillionaire



finaleshot2016

[Maus0728]

~snip~

It's not that I am curious but I assume that they are two different people. In fact, I've had conversation to both of them; the way how they compose their messages, how they reply to my queries, their tones and personal background are distinctive.

I am not sure though, maybe @finaleshot2016 could clarify this. Anyhow, what is the status of this defaulted loan? I haven't heard from TYM in almost 5 months now 

[LoyceV]

Has anyone reached out to any of these people?  There's still a DT1 in the list (and they're active on the Forum as we speak)

Trust list for: theyoungmillionaire (Trust: !!!:  +6 / =0 / -21) (1013 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-06-20_Sat_05.04h)
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He has much more DT1-exclusions than inclusions already, but his sent feedback is still valid, right? I can understand why some people don't exclude him. Even though he can't be trusted with money, his past judgement on others is still good. It would be a different story if he started leaving incorrect ratings now, but he hasn't even been online anymore.

[Timelord2067]

This is only an observation:

jademaxsuy is begging for merits in this thread.

Having looked at his DT trust list, I noticed this:

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-16_Sat_13.06h/1788599.html (Week 05)

Trust list for: jademaxsuy (12 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-02-16_Sat_13.06h)
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jademaxsuy Trusts:
Removed theyoungmillionaire (578 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)

jademaxsuy Distrusts:
-

jademaxsuy is Trusted by:
-

~jademaxsuy is Distrusted by:
-

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

The very next week - http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-25_Mon_21.39h/1788599.html Week 06 this happened:

Trust list for: jademaxsuy (12 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-02-25_Mon_21.39h)
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jademaxsuy Trusts:
1. finaleshot2016 (163 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. crwth (78 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)

jademaxsuy Distrusts:
-

jademaxsuy is Trusted by:
-

~jademaxsuy is Distrusted by:
-

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

jademaxsuy removes his trust in theyoungmillionaire and the very next week trusts finaleshot2016 who like theyoungmillionaire changes their password in a 24 hour period.

theyoungmillionaire's top two users to send merits to are jademaxsuy and crwth




jade's top merit receiver is tym:




Two of crwth's top four merit recipients are TYM and jade:




Further reviewing crwth's subsequent trust list inclusions by others, there are a number of other UID's who also do merit back-scratching with TYM.

[Coin_trader]

It really has a big difference compared to the money you lent to TYM and It is just a small fraction of bitcoin as stated in the above reply to LogitechMouse. I don't think filing a police report is a good idea with that amount of money.



This is the address he used for receiving my BTC: 35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
Reference id: 44f882d9bc7d

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
In his address, there are total of 155 transactions.

We've used coins.ph in making this transaction.


This time around. I want to help DireWolfM14

This might be a lead to sue him. If ever there is a transaction from his wallet address that he used to borrow money and the coins.ph address above, You can file a police report using that evidence. Combining the total amount that he loans here are worthy to sue him. I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

The only problem is that most the judiciary branch in PH are closed due to pandemic. It will take some time to reopen again.

[Maus0728]

I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

Do we need to publicly announce this issue in our local board to at least get some help in order in order to notify coins.ph immediately? I still have our conversation in telegram.

I am willing to create a thread with regards to this issue . I feel sad that it had come to this point.

[Coin_trader]

I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

Do we need to publicly announce this issue in our local board to at least get some help in order in order to notify coins.ph immediately? I still have our conversation in telegram.

I am willing to create a thread with regards to this issue . I feel sad that it had come to this point.

Judging on the intensity of the crime he commit here. I believe creating new thread on our local board might help us to get more lead about TYM. I believe he interact a lot of Filipino user in our local board. Raising this issue there is relevant since he was our countrymen and we should act accordingly to sue this guy.

Given that this guy was very talented. He can farm again new account to rank up, build reputation and repeat this scenario again. This is really alarming and I believe he still own alt account that has a solid reputation in the forum.

[JollyGood]

It was stated in several places in the forum that TYM was heavily active in the Philippines local board.

If he happily destroyed his reputation for the sake of the defaulted loan amount then without doubt it would not take him too long before managed to build up other alt-accounts for the very same purpose. For all we know he already using his other accounts to get to a level of trustworthiness where a loan can be asked before he defaults again.

I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

Do we need to publicly announce this issue in our local board to at least get some help in order in order to notify coins.ph immediately? I still have our conversation in telegram.

I am willing to create a thread with regards to this issue . I feel sad that it had come to this point.

Judging on the intensity of the crime he commit here. I believe creating new thread on our local board might help us to get more lead about TYM. I believe he interact a lot of Filipino user in our local board. Raising this issue there is relevant since he was our countrymen and we should act accordingly to sue this guy.

Given that this guy was very talented. He can farm again new account to rank up, build reputation and repeat this scenario again. This is really alarming and I believe he still own alt account that has a solid reputation in the forum.

[target]

-snip

Very interesting observation. I wouldn't say it's solid but definitely suspicious. Should we expect finalshot to also ask for a loan soon? 

I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

Do we need to publicly announce this issue in our local board to at least get some help in order in order to notify coins.ph immediately? I still have our conversation in telegram.

I am willing to create a thread with regards to this issue . I feel sad that it had come to this point.

Judging on the intensity of the crime he commit here. I believe creating new thread on our local board might help us to get more lead about TYM. I believe he interact a lot of Filipino user in our local board. Raising this issue there is relevant since he was our countrymen and we should act accordingly to sue this guy.

Given that this guy was very talented. He can farm again new account to rank up, build reputation and repeat this scenario again. This is really alarming and I believe he still own alt account that has a solid reputation in the forum.

If coinsph can do that then why not. It will be a good response to at least prevent from happening again.

[Digitradez]

It really has a big difference compared to the money you lent to TYM and It is just a small fraction of bitcoin as stated in the above reply to LogitechMouse. I don't think filing a police report is a good idea with that amount of money.

https://i.imgur.com/CKvNk3bm.jpg

This is the address he used for receiving my BTC: 35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
Reference id: 44f882d9bc7d

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
In his address, there are total of 155 transactions.

We've used coins.ph in making this transaction.


This time around. I want to help DireWolfM14

This might be a lead to sue him. If ever there is a transaction from his wallet address that he used to borrow money and the coins.ph address above, You can file a police report using that evidence. Combining the total amount that he loans here are worthy to sue him. I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

The only problem is that most the judiciary branch in PH are closed due to pandemic. It will take some time to reopen again.

Legal action would be a waste of time for such a small amount, I know from personal experience, but good luck with that. Can't say I feel bad about a loan shark not being paid back, OP was charging rates that would be considered illegal in many parts of the world. He wasn't even necessarily scammed, someone just defaulted on a loan, happens everyday in America.


" In most jurisdictions today (meaning, all of the USA, and most other civilized countries) usury (the crime of charging interest above a certain rate) is illegal; hence, usurious lenders operate outside the bounds of the law, because no court will assist them in getting a judgment against, or enforcing collection from, borrowers at the usurious interest rates they charge their customers — the lender, in other words, has no _legal_ recourse, if the borrower should default (fail to pay back) on the illegal loan (principal _or_ interest)."

[logfiles]

Legal action would be a waste of time for such a small amount, I know from personal experience, but good luck with that. Can't say I feel bad about a loan shark not being paid back, OP was charging rates that would be considered illegal in many parts of the world. He wasn't even necessarily scammed, someone just defaulted on a loan, happens everyday in America.

Have it in mind that this was a no collateral loan we are dealing with, which is given to someone who is a complete stranger over the web, so the high interest rate would be more than reasonable.

On top of that, if someone was totally uncomfortable with the interest rate that is clearly stated in the announcement, then why would they go ahead and request for the loan

[harizen]

...and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

Yes, I'm sure they will cooperate.

Just for reference, I ask them before if it's possible for them to help me track or at least give me the contact number of a user who defaulted a loan in our local lending thread and coins.ph support is very responsive the whole time we discussed the case. It's quite long though as they really need every information.

After the preliminary review, they now gave me the official complaint form (I have the link in my ticket). After that, for some reason, that user now response to me via Telegram (thanks to @Bttzed03 for giving me the user's contact information) after 4 days and sends an apology message. He also told me that his coins.ph got disable and he thinks it's because of what I did. The user asked for an extension to his loan. Never been heard anything from him since Feb 15. I'm sure that user is just around.

[JollyGood]

I feel sorry about this whole situation.

What might seem a small amount of money to one person could be a huge amount of money to another person and as you said to be ripped off by someone who you thought was a brother and you trusted was something a hard hit to take.

I hope other people do not get scammed in this way where trust is damaged.

I just can't take this because I also lent him my personal money that is my allowance and it's a lot for me as a student.

You're a student and yet you got a huge money already but you didn't handle it properly and got baited by this user . Feel bad for you though.

Yes, I am still a college student. As for you guys it is not that huge amount of money and will not regret if I will gonna lose it. But the fact that I gave my trust to someone whom I considered brother for long time is big deal. That money comes from my 4  week allowance which I used in buying bitcoin for long term hold, but I decided to lend him that money because I just wanted to help as it will help me too because he promised me to pay it back with an interest at a given date. It happened already and I don't have anything else to do here!. I just hope that he's okay for the sake of DireWolfM14

I'm sorry I missed this, and sorry for your loss.  How much did you lend to him?  Do you have any evidence, or chat logs?  If so feel free to post them here.  I also suggest you file a police report.

It really has a big difference compared to the money you lent to TYM and It is just a small fraction of bitcoin as stated in the above reply to LogitechMouse. I don't think filing a police report is a good idea with that amount of money.



This is the address he used for receiving my BTC: 35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
Reference id: 44f882d9bc7d

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
In his address, there are total of 155 transactions.

We've used coins.ph in making this transaction.


This time around. I want to help DireWolfM14

[ChiBitCTy]

The user seemed very promising and was doing great job for the community especially in their local community. There must be something wrong with him, possibly any physical condition or something? It's hard to believe that they are not responding and ran away with the money but till this point it's seems that's the truth.

I will tag the user and will follow this topic and I really hope that they come back and make the full repayment.

I couldn't agree more.  They seemed to be a pretty solid forum member and seemingly just a good person.  They also offered up some very needed support for myself when I needed it most. Meant a lot.

Sorry to see this DireWolf. Let's hope for something like they had some sort of life issue that isn't too serious (but was a legit reason to keep them away) and that they'll come back and honor their commitment.

[hd49728]

I couldn't agree more.  They seemed to be a pretty solid forum member and seemingly just a good person.  They also offered up some very needed support for myself when I needed it most. Meant a lot.

Sorry to see this DireWolf. Let's hope for something like they had some sort of life issue that isn't too serious (but was a legit reason to keep them away) and that they'll come back and honor their commitment.

There are good and bad periods in our whole lifespans. It is not easy to say one person is good or bad but a truly good person will not change the way he or she reacts to anything happens to his or her life. It is so easily to be a good person when you have perfect condition, no troubles even minor troubles. I of course don't mention about truly bad guys who always behave badly.

During bad periods and when have to facing with challenges, if one person keeps demonstrating how good he or she is as he or she always shows, that will be a truly good person.

On the forum, and on the online space, it is not easy thing to verify so don't trust and don't put your trust and money (with high amount) to anyone else.

[cabalism13]

This is only an observation:
...
UID's who also do merit back-scratching with TYM.

I did. D#%& TYM. I thought it was a lot LoL. It was only 19...

Just to give you a bit info about this issue, regarding TYM.
He really do things anonymously, though the only lead that I can remember is the transaction between crwth, where you can see the email and the first name... 🤔 Though I'm still not sure if TYM used coins for that transaction.

And to sum up, crwth has nothing to do about this issue, its a whole different person again. finaleshot2016 and jademaxsuy is the users whom I don't know personally. This is just a mere back scratching on our local. Also AFAIK. They only had few transactions or might be its the only one, when TYM needs BTC in exchange of PHP.


I don't also think back scratching would help and be obvious in these accounts to be accused as alts...
What you guys should do is to investigate the addresses thatbhebused in the past and just like what Coin_trader has said, Coin.ph might be able to help. If only we could get the email and first name used on the account.

I think I am also a victim, now I really don't know if he fooled me over the things that he said before:
-a businessman
-starting business
-lost btcs during dumped
-the photo of him and with some certain whotheguyis

-flights anytime anywhere
(the whole convo has been wiped out by him)

In any case I would also like to help Dire on this. Its really a big money. I do hope the scammers here such as him get into prison. Such a bad influence.

[Maus0728]

~snip~

As far as I remember, that photograph where he is doing a handshake is an evidence that he is a former ambassador of GCC (Global Crpyto Currency). Though he never disclosed that much of information throughout our conversation because he has a habit of deleting the images upon sending, I managed to get at least a hint who are the people related to him in GCC.

This person [1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24, is somehow one of his colleagues when he is still an ambassador of that token. Here is our conversation on how he introduce dwdollar because I noticed that he is wearing a GCC avatar.



As per the bitcoin address:

This is the address he used for receiving my BTC: 35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
Reference id: 44f882d9bc7d

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
In his address, there are total of 155 transactions.

We've used coins.ph in making this transaction.

That is a coins.ph address and it looks like he made previous on chain transactions. I am also willing to post a thread in our local to get some help regarding this issue as suggested by @Coin_trader and @harizen.

[DireWolfM14]

Legal action would be a waste of time for such a small amount, I know from personal experience, but good luck with that. Can't say I feel bad about a loan shark not being paid back, OP was charging rates that would be considered illegal in many parts of the world. He wasn't even necessarily scammed, someone just defaulted on a loan, happens everyday in America.

" In most jurisdictions today (meaning, all of the USA, and most other civilized countries) usury (the crime of charging interest above a certain rate) is illegal; hence, usurious lenders operate outside the bounds of the law, because no court will assist them in getting a judgment against, or enforcing collection from, borrowers at the usurious interest rates they charge their customers — the lender, in other words, has no _legal_ recourse, if the borrower should default (fail to pay back) on the illegal loan (principal _or_ interest)."

I provided terms to which the borrower agreed.  No body put a gun to anyone's head and forced them to accept my terms.  

You seem to have a very convoluted sense of logic:  If I'm understanding correctly I'm responsible because I was charging rates that are more than some arbitrary number derived by corrupt governments intended to prevent their banker cohorts from abusing their coordinated corruption?  Got it.  My conclusion; you're obviously an irritating moronic troll, spreading your contradictory shit-posts across the forum trying to draw attention to yourself.  Good luck with that.

[Golgoth]

jademaxsuy removes his trust in theyoungmillionaire and the very next week trusts finaleshot2016 who like theyoungmillionaire changes their password in a 24 hour period.

theyoungmillionaire's top two users to send merits to are jademaxsuy and crwth




jade's top merit receiver is tym:




Two of crwth's top four merit recipients are TYM and jade:




Further reviewing crwth's subsequent trust list inclusions by others, there are a number of other UID's who also do merit back-scratching with TYM.

finaleshot2016

He also created finaleshot2016ALT the 4/23/2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2587368

Moreover finaleshot2016 seems to only post on Fridays, with a big amount of posts each time. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=888099;sa=showPosts
It's typically what users with multi-accounts are doing for bounty campaigns.
So it's crystal clear he bought this account.
But it's odd a guy like that could still be enrolled in bounty campaigns, his bounty manager is Hhampuz as I see.
 

[Timelord2067]

He also created finaleshot2016ALT the 4/23/2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2587368

Moreover finaleshot2016 seems to only post on Fridays, with a big amount of posts each time. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=888099;sa=showPosts
It's typically what users with multi-accounts are doing for bounty campaigns.
So it's crystal clear he bought this account.
But it's odd a guy like that could still be enrolled in bounty campaigns, his bounty manager is Hhampuz as I see.

I wouldn't have thought to check what day of the week a user posts (I'll have to keep that in mind)  The alt itself was created just five days after the two accounts (theyoungmillionaire & finaleshot2016) changed their passwords.

Name:    finaleshot2016ALT
Posts:    1
Activity:    1
Merit:    0
Position:    Newbie
Status:   INACTIVE
Date Registered:    24 April 2019, 03:17:19
Last Active:    26 June 2019, 23:42:33

Hack or sale of accounts?

[JollyGood]

I am glad you are not letting these trolls get to you. Alt-accounts making mischief while attention seeking is not anything new and Digitradez certainly seems to have at least one other account as the way he is posting like some who has been posting here before.

As for the terms and conditions of the loan, it was part of the deal which was agreed before the money was sent so I have no idea why newbie account Digitradez is behaving in the way he is.

Legal action would be a waste of time for such a small amount, I know from personal experience, but good luck with that. Can't say I feel bad about a loan shark not being paid back, OP was charging rates that would be considered illegal in many parts of the world. He wasn't even necessarily scammed, someone just defaulted on a loan, happens everyday in America.

" In most jurisdictions today (meaning, all of the USA, and most other civilized countries) usury (the crime of charging interest above a certain rate) is illegal; hence, usurious lenders operate outside the bounds of the law, because no court will assist them in getting a judgment against, or enforcing collection from, borrowers at the usurious interest rates they charge their customers — the lender, in other words, has no _legal_ recourse, if the borrower should default (fail to pay back) on the illegal loan (principal _or_ interest)."

I provided terms to which the borrower agreed.  No body put a gun to anyone's head and forced them to accept my terms.  

You seem to have a very convoluted sense of logic:  If I'm understanding correctly I'm responsible because I was charging rates that are more than some arbitrary number derived by corrupt governments intended to prevent their banker cohorts from abusing their coordinated corruption?  Got it.  My conclusion; you're obviously an irritating moronic troll, spreading your contradictory shit-posts across the forum trying to draw attention to yourself.  Good luck with that.

[Jating]

Maybe someone needs to look at the connection with this profile as well: Silent26.



bitcoin address:

Code:

3JxvYBTV3mFiWpQADUe3xUHJspYPr5ncDF

archived: http://archive.is/Pcf5E

[Timelord2067]

Maybe someone needs to look at the connection with this profile as well: Silent26.



bitcoin address:

Code:

3JxvYBTV3mFiWpQADUe3xUHJspYPr5ncDF

archived: http://archive.is/Pcf5E

This is a working theory.

I am investigating a connection between theyoungmillionaire and finaleshot2016 who both changed their passwords within 24 hours as I stated in this post and this follow-up post.  jademaxsuy along with crwth have extensively swapped merits with theyoungmillionaire and finaleshot2016 while in @LoyceV's Default Trust List Week 05 jademaxsuy removed their trust of theyoungmillionaire only to add finaleshot2016 and crwth in Week 06

In addition, I have a working theory that theyoungmillionaire has at least four or five alts being jademaxsuy, finaleshot2016, Squishy01, GDragon, Strufmbae, Silent26, crwth and Maus0728 based on their default trust lists activating the same week for most, or a couple of weeks later (with the same list) in the case of the latter couple of UID's.  As at week 76 all or most still trust theyoungmillionaire and each-other.

Since my first post, Maus0728 has removed their trust of theyoungmillionaire but continues to trust all others (the group in what seems to be a DT abuse cluster).


An example of the alt DT abuse is as follows:  (and it's an incomplete list of the week 76 examples)

In purple the first group that appear to be connected, with those in orange seemingly connected as well via adding the same core ten UID's as those in purple.

Week 76:

Trust list for: theyoungmillionaire (Trust: !!!:  +6 / =0 / -21) (1013 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-06-27_Sat_05.02h)
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theyoungmillionaire's judgement is Trusted by:
1. TMAN (Trust: +27 / =1 / -3) (1303 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Innocant (Trust: neutral) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. lienfaye (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. finaleshot2016 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 774 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Squishy01 (Trust: neutral) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. GDragon (Trust: neutral) (117 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. eldrin (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (38 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. yazher (Trust: neutral) (473 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. Silent26 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (224 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. creeps (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. LogitechMouse (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (241 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (602 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. nakamura12 (Trust: neutral) (210 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. Strufmbae (Trust: neutral) (22 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. twiki (Trust: neutral) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list for: finaleshot2016 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 774 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-06-27_Sat_05.02h)
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finaleshot2016's judgement is Trusted by:
1. peloso (Trust: +2 / =3 / -3) (DT1 (-11) 171 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Swordsoffreedom (Trust: neutral) (68 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. asu (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 629 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. lienfaye (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Russlenat (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (296 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. Yatsan (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (584 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. crwth (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 587 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. Squishy01 (Trust: neutral) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. GDragon (Trust: neutral) (117 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. yazher (Trust: neutral) (473 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. Silent26 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (224 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. creeps (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. LogitechMouse (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (241 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. sheenshane (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 707 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. cryptoaddictchie (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (873 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (602 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. nakamura12 (Trust: neutral) (210 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. jademaxsuy (Trust: neutral) (38 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. cryptobenn (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list for: crwth (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 587 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-06-27_Sat_05.02h)
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crwth's judgement is Trusted by:
1. TECSHARE (Trust: +37 / =6 / -2) (913 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. peloso (Trust: +2 / =3 / -3) (DT1 (-11) 171 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Lauda (Trust: +32 / =5 / -3) (1640 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. robelneo (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (20 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. PremiumCodeX (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. asu (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 629 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. Kelvinid (Trust: neutral) (30 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. bL4nkcode (Trust: +12 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 530 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. lienfaye (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. Gunthar (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (110 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. panganib999 (Trust: neutral) (36 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Yatsan (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (584 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. BitFinnese (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. finaleshot2016 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 774 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. Squishy01 (Trust: neutral) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. GDragon (Trust: neutral) (117 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
17. yazher (Trust: neutral) (473 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. Silent26 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (224 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
19. creeps (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
20. LogitechMouse (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (241 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
21. GreatArkansas (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 923 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
22. sheenshane (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (5) 707 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
23. theyoungmillionaire (Trust: !!!:  +6 / =0 / -21) (1013 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
24. Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (602 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
25. Uao (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
26. cabalism13 (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 942 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. nakamura12 (Trust: neutral) (210 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
28. jademaxsuy (Trust: neutral) (38 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
29. cryptobenn (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
30. itoybtc (Trust: neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
31. Strufmbae (Trust: neutral) (22 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
32. Debonaire217 (Trust: neutral) (302 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
33. plvbob0070 (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (353 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Trust list for: Silent26 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (224 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-06-27_Sat_05.02h)
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Silent26's judgement is Trusted by:
1. asu (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (7) 629 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Lafu (Trust: +5 / =1 / -0) (1027 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. lienfaye (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. finaleshot2016 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 774 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Squishy01 (Trust: neutral) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. GDragon (Trust: neutral) (117 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. yazher (Trust: neutral) (473 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. creeps (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. theyoungmillionaire (Trust: !!!:  +6 / =0 / -21) (1013 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (602 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. cryptobenn (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Compare the above to this week:

Week 77:

Trust list for: Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (608 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-07-04_Sat_05.03h)
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Maus0728 Trusts these users' judgement:
1. theymos (Trust: +27 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (62) 6859 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. TMAN (Trust: +28 / =0 / -1) (1303 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Lauda (Trust: +34 / =4 / -1) (1640 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. hilariousandco (Trust: +21 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (34) 800 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. owlcatz (Trust: +45 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (21) 350 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. LoyceV (Trust: +28 / =1 / -0) (5553 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. Yatsan (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (5) 585 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. Hhampuz (Trust: +83 / =3 / -0) (1965 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. finaleshot2016 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 774 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. xtraelv (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 1591 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. crwth (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (9) 588 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Silent26 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (224 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. GreatArkansas (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 923 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. Removed theyoungmillionaire (Trust: !!!:  +6 / =0 / -20) (1013 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. cryptoaddictchie (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (891 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. DdmrDdmr (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (3917 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
16. cabalism13 (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 943 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Maus0728 Distrusts these users' judgement:
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Maus0728's judgement is Trusted by:
1. Yatsan (Trust: +4 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (5) 585 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. finaleshot2016 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 774 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. Squishy01 (Trust: neutral) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. GDragon (Trust: neutral) (117 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Silent26 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (224 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. Asuspawer09 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (195 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. cryptoaddictchie (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (891 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. cabalism13 (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 943 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. plvbob0070 (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (354 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~Maus0728's judgement is Distrusted by:
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Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.


Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

This investigation is still ongoing.

[Maus0728]

Since my first post, Maus0728 has removed their trust of theyoungmillionaire but continues to trust all others (the group in what seems to be a DT abuse cluster).

Yes. I don't have nothing to hide with regards to removing TYM as one of the people that is included in my trust list recently. I removed him immediately when @LoyceV replied to this thread prior to your first post.

He has much more DT1-exclusions than inclusions already, but his sent feedback is still valid, right? I can understand why some people don't exclude him. Even though he can't be trusted with money, his past judgement on others is still good. It would be a different story if he started leaving incorrect ratings now, but he hasn't even been online anymore.

This quote reminds me that I need to remove him in my Trust list.
I trusted those user because they are the people who are once active in our Pilipinas Local Section helping to make our forum clean and spam free. Also, I can easily remove Silent26, Strufmbae in my trust list since they are not that active anymore but I won't remove finaleshot2016, GDragon and crwth since they are the one who help me throughout my entire journey in this community and are still active.

[Timelord2067]

Since my first post, Maus0728 has removed their trust of theyoungmillionaire but continues to trust all others (the group in what seems to be a DT abuse cluster).

Yes. I don't have nothing to hide with regards to removing TYM as one of the people that is included in my trust list recently. I removed him immediately when @LoyceV replied to this thread prior to your first post.

He has much more DT1-exclusions than inclusions already, but his sent feedback is still valid, right? I can understand why some people don't exclude him. Even though he can't be trusted with money, his past judgement on others is still good. It would be a different story if he started leaving incorrect ratings now, but he hasn't even been online anymore.

Um no.

You have that back the front.  @LoyceV is replying to *my* first post, here is the full quote that you have amended:

Has anyone reached out to any of these people?  There's still a DT1 in the list (and they're active on the Forum as we speak)

Trust list for: theyoungmillionaire (Trust: !!!:  +6 / =0 / -21) (1013 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-06-20_Sat_05.04h)
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He has much more DT1-exclusions than inclusions already, but his sent feedback is still valid, right? I can understand why some people don't exclude him. Even though he can't be trusted with money, his past judgement on others is still good. It would be a different story if he started leaving incorrect ratings now, but he hasn't even been online anymore.

Why would you misrepresent that when it can be proven to be not true so easily?

I trusted those user because they are the people who are once active in our Pilipinas Local Section helping to make our forum clean and spam free. Also, I can easily remove Silent26, Strufmbae in my trust list easily since they are not that active anymore but I won't remove finaleshot2016, GDragon and crwth since they are the one who help me throughout my entire journey in this community.

That's part of the issue, you're all from what I can see from the Philipino section, so you've either bought the account, or, the question is why did you all add the same users in week three & four?


Week 03

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-03_Sun_00.08h/1726595.html - nakamura (first week active) adds theyoungmillionaire
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-03_Sun_00.08h/1091163.html - Silent26 adds theyoungmillionaire
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-03_Sun_00.08h/1180530.html - theyoungmillionaire creates their trust list and adds Silent26 plus 16 others
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-03_Sun_00.08h/1788599.html - jademaxsuy (first week active) adds theyoungmillionaire

Week 04

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-12_Tue_19.34h/1180530.html - theyoungmillionaire
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-12_Tue_19.34h/888099.html - finaleshot2016 (first week active) adds crwth, silent26, theyoungmillionaire, Maus0728
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-12_Tue_19.34h/914465.html - crwth is added by finaleshot2016, Squishy01, GDragon, Strufmbae
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-12_Tue_19.34h/1091163.html - Silent26 is added by finaleshot2016, Squishy01, GDragon, theyoungmillionaire

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-12_Tue_19.34h/2144073.html - Strufmbae (first week active) adds theyoungmillionaire & crwth
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-12_Tue_19.34h/1026915.html - Squishy01 adds finaleshot2016, crwth, silent26, theyoungmillionaire, Maus0728 (does not change their DT again - has 10+ merits) = 1 vote
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-12_Tue_19.34h/1060206.html - GDragon adds finaleshot2016, crwth, silent26, theyoungmillionaire, Maus0728 (does not change their DT again - has 10+ merits) = 1 vote

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-12_Tue_19.34h/1289002.html - Maus0728 (first week active) added by finaleshot2016, Squishy01, GDragon,

Week 05

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-16_Sat_13.06h/1788599.html - jademaxsuy removes theyoungmillionaire

Week 06

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-25_Mon_21.39h/1788599.html - jademaxsuy adds finaleshot2016 and crwth

Week 07

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-05_Tue_22.43h/1091163.html - Silent26 adds crwth, finaleshot2016, theyoungmillionaire, Maus0728

Week 11

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-30_Sat_05.03h/1289002.html - Maus0728 adds finaleshot2016, crwth, silent26, theyoungmillionaire,


This list is only a snap-shot, but the others UID's to make the ten required to be in the running for DT are almost always the same across the board.

[cryptoaddictchie]

Hi @Timelord2067 wanted to help you with your investigation. I am with those guys you mentioned in a telegram group specifically @Maus0728, @crwth, and @finaleshot2016, Now, to confirm their identity differentiate with each other, Ive asked cooperation with the two of them and they granted my request for a transaction via coinsph. Now would like to explained to you that CoinsPh, is very strict when it comes to approval of every users on their platform. Now this coinsph have a feed page like facebook, actually connected to facebook cause verification is strict.

Ive do the owners to confirm if they are real users. Check this image:

Of course I cant disclose their names cause this is private thing. But Filipino users can confirm that I am saying true cause they are somehow familiat with CoinsPh.

Now regarding finaleshot2016, I did also transaction with him cause he win on my contest last year. So I know his different user with these guys. Now I dont know the address of TYM coinsPH address, if there is one that have the same result then its an alt or same account with TYM cause coins.ph only allowed one user per account. Regarding other accounts involved I am no contact with them.

Regarding trust list since its not moderated we cant actually used that as something like an evidence. If you found this biased then, the whole Philippine Coinsph users with bitcointalk forum accounts can prove that I am right and only telling the truth.

[cabalism13]

This investigation is still ongoing.

I find this useless. Just to be prank mate,... trust is what we use whenever we had multiple transactions for a long time... Even though it is seen as back scratching LoL, doesn't care about that.

Merits 👉 Backscratching? Yes because I told them to make good use of their sMerits as much as possible to our Local Community. (Ever Since I gathered many sMerits)

Mate, if you have some spare Merits to give would you mind giving them on my stead? (For me, it is good enough to be worthy of [1] Merit)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5037560.msg46158947#msg46158947

Links are on my post. Thanks Mate. Have A Nice Day.
(If you still don't find them worthy it's still fine)

I would love to, since it’s a support to the Filipinos, it's just that I don't have merit yet. Thanks for the heads up on post.

Trust 👉 Backscratching? Again? Might be, or No.

IMO, just like what I'm doing most on my trustlist were users whom I had transactions for several times. And some are just the other DTs who gain public trust.
It's definitely not an abuse. Well, it might be look like that because you're looking on a position were DT1 is involve.

Silent26 👉 the last info the I get was from this (he still uses the forum but not that active just like before)

"Working" or "Working on" means you're in the progress of reporting and yes, you need to check and review the posts of those users one by one.
"Done" means you've reported the users already. Don't worry if Mods still not taking any actions on the users you've reported, just put "Done" when your finish reporting.

Sorry for the late response mate.

~Silent26

Hey mate, it's been a while? What took you so long?

Hey buddy, what's up. Yeah it's been months since the last time I became inactive in the forum. It's really sad that I missed a lot of discussions. Well, you know, student's life. I really prioritised studying, these past months that I didn't managed to visit Bitcointalk was my thesis days/months. So busy until now, I'm currently in my on-job training with my website project for about another 3 months.

Well, its a relief that I have some feeling that I will graduate soon  
Anyway thanks for greeting me back buddy.

~Silent26

(well no one will force you to believe that)

crwth 👉 not an alt, many of us can confirm that. (I call you guys to speak on this useless investigation)


Have you guys ever thought, what if TYM is really not here anymore and you've been accusing users continuously... 🤔 Damn. Not all has alts, just remember that.
I'm telling you, this won't go anywhere, and we, too, even want to help Dire to get that criminal but not in a way of accusing some users to be alts or connected with them. LoL
 

Regarding other accounts involved I am no contact with them.

Regarding trust list since its not moderated we cant actually used that as something like an evidence. If you found this biased then, the whole Philippine Coinsph users with bitcointalk forum accounts can prove that I am right and only telling the truth.

Count me in.

[JollyGood]

What is clear remains unchanged, namely that TYM defaulted on his loan. As for anything else such as his health, location, reason for defaulting etc it is speculation but the fact remains he defaulted on his loan. repayment.

[Timelord2067]

This investigation is still ongoing.

I find this useless. Just to be prank mate,... trust is what we use whenever we had multiple transactions for a long time... Even though it is seen as back scratching LoL, doesn't care about that.

cabalism13

I have cabalism13 in the "not sure basket" as they do things that on their own seem innocuous enough, but after a while start to add up:

Week 11 cabalism13 adds silent26 and TYM
Week 15 cabalism13 adds 13 UID's to their trust list which is being discovered to be a tactic for some users to add a dozen UID's in the hope they will in turn add them in a follow-for-follow move to gain trust.
Week 63 cabalism13 changes from trust to distrust of TYM which is significant as it is within the first ten days after this scam accusation thread goes live.
Week 64 crwth removes silent26 and TYM from their trust list http://loyce.club/trust/2020-04-04_Sat_09.19h/914465.html and adds cabalism13 who like Maus0728 participates in the scam tread and posts in the Filipino section.

Another example of cabalism13's questionable DT activities:

Week 15 cabalism13 distrusts tecshare
Week 17 tecshare distrusts cabalism13
Week 22 cabalism13 changes their distrust of tecshare to trust
Week 24 tecshare removes their distrust of cabalism13
Week 34 cab removes 18 of their 30 trust list (including tecshare)

Regarding other accounts involved I am no contact with them.

Regarding trust list since its not moderated we cant actually used that as something like an evidence. If you found this biased then, the whole Philippine Coinsph users with bitcointalk forum accounts can prove that I am right and only telling the truth.

Count me in.

@cryptoaddictchie & @cabalism13

I haven't said any of these users are alts, however, there is a case to be made that they are engaging in DT Trust abuse (or at the very least are not using their trust lists as intended) by all enabling their trust in each-other in the same week 03/04 as outlined previously.  Some users acquired the required 10 merits, have ten users they trust then, went to sleep.  Even though they are not active, their ten merits+ten trust list count as a vote to vote up other users propelling them into DT1 territory.  The ones that are asleep are probably shill / alt accounts while the rest are *probably* a voting block.  The fact they started with the same core list of ten users they add in the same week highlights collusion.

What is clear remains unchanged, namely that TYM defaulted on his loan. As for anything else such as his health, location, reason for defaulting etc it is speculation but the fact remains he defaulted on his loan. repayment.

theyoungmillionaire is probably one of the other accounts in that voting block, but which is the alt?

[cabalism13]

cabalism13 adds 13 UID's to their trust list which is being discovered to be a tactic for some users to add a dozen UID's in the hope they will in turn add them in a follow-for-follow move to gain trust.

.Cute. 😂
And so, just by looking at this, the reason that I remove is that they didn't trust me back? 🤣 🤣 🤣

Another example of cabalism13's questionable DT activities:

Week 15 cabalism13 distrusts tecshare
Week 17 tecshare distrusts cabalism13
Week 22 cabalism13 changes their distrust of tecshare to trust
Week 24 tecshare removes their distrust of cabalism13
Week 34 cab removes 18 of their 30 trust list (including tecshare)

Kinda irrelevant IMO, this shouldn't be here, instead on the Reputation Section. Also it wasn't questionable, trust list isn't moderated, I would do whatever I want to. I will remove/place someone whom I want to whenever I want. It's my personal list.

Besides, I wasn't on the DT1 by that time, so it's not that important.

Like what I said, this is useless.

theyoungmillionaire is probably one of the other accounts in that voting block, but which is the alt?

probably? yeah, probably speaking... 🤔

@cryptoaddictchie & @cabalism13

I haven't said any of these users are alts,...

Yep, you're still just accusing...

[Timelord2067]

Kinda irrelevant IMO, this shouldn't be here, instead on the Reputation Section. Also it wasn't questionable, trust list isn't moderated, I would do whatever I want to. I will remove/place someone whom I want to whenever I want. It's my personal list.

Besides, I wasn't on the DT1 by that time, so it's not that important.

You might want to have a read of this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg54732978#msg54732978 and the ramifications of abusing the Default Trust Network.


Given how "tight knit" the Philippines section is purportedly, with "everyone knowing everyone else" it's surprising none of you can say who TYM is or where they are.  Not so tight knit after all.

[cabalism13]

Kinda irrelevant IMO, this shouldn't be here, instead on the Reputation Section. Also it wasn't questionable, trust list isn't moderated, I would do whatever I want to. I will remove/place someone whom I want to whenever I want. It's my personal list.

Besides, I wasn't on the DT1 by that time, so it's not that important.

You might want to have a read of this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg54732978#msg54732978 and the ramifications of abusing the Default Trust Network.


Given how "tight knit" the Philippines section is purportedly, with "everyone knowing everyone else" it's surprising none of you can say who TYM is or where they are.  Not so tight knit after all.

I am not obligated to follow that, especially because we don't have any rules about this. Actually I do have one mistake on the past which has a concern to Lucius. If the public doesn't want him to on DT2 then I think they should have just excluded him and yet I did something that was out of my own decision.

Now, I won't be concerning myself on what you guys want anymore unless it is really necessary.

Just like before, getting used to: on using ~ would be a better help to the community. The only abuse is when a user is just being a lich and so he does it the same way like the others.

[nutildah]

Given how "tight knit" the Philippines section is purportedly, with "everyone knowing everyone else" it's surprising none of you can say who TYM is or where they are.  Not so tight knit after all.

Everybody who has been paying attention to this thread already knows who TYM is. That's no secret.

Really what people should be on the lookout for is what his new account is, if he has one. He will probably be smart and fast-rising in rank, but only the Filipinos will have a chance of guessing who it is based on the contents of his posts.

All traces of activity by the old TYM have come to an end, on Facebook and even his Coins.ph account. Perhaps he is using a new account there -- likely that of a friend or a family member.

[Timelord2067]

...

... and this is what's known as Default Trust abuse:



using their position on DT1 to attempt to silence those who would expose their Default Trust abuse.  You're looking more and more guilty as the hours go by.

Note to @LoyceV

[nutildah]

... and this is what's known as Default Trust abuse:



using their position on DT1 to attempt to silence those who would expose their Default Trust abuse.  You're looking more and more guilty as the hours go by.

1. No, its not, and I don't see anything that remotely indicates that this user is engaging in trust abuse. He's not the one including a banned user who has never used the trust system -- you are.

2. As wrong as you are, you aren't being "silenced" in any way as you just moved from -7 to -8 DT strength.

3. This is the wrong thread for this subject.

[Timelord2067]

FUD

Rest assured, your own distrust of me isn't going to stop me from investigating theyoungmillionaire and this DT abuse cluster.  You're just Trolling here, nothing more.

~Timelord2067's judgement is Distrusted by:

20. nutildah (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (16) 2381 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

FUD

For a DT1 you're very naive if you don't believe in a Filipino mafia.
Those guys are well known to be ones of the biggest bounty cheaters in the world.
Even Yobit is excluding them from its bounty campaigns :

Thanks for the support Golgoth, I won't sully this thread with anything concerning nutildah, but you're spot on.

[nutildah]

For a DT1 you're very naive if you don't believe in a Filipino mafia.

   This has nothing to do with anything. Besides, we both know that if you had something the slightest bit intelligent or reasonable to say, you would have posted it from your main account.

Rest assured, your own distrust of me isn't going to stop me from investigating theyoungmillionaire and this DT abuse cluster.

By all means, detective, the guy who still thinks cryptohunter is "Probably Bruno..." Don't let me interfere. 

[Timelord2067]

OFF TOPIC FUD
... you would have posted it from your main account. ...
OFF TOPIC FUD

Perhaps you should leave the alt investigation to the rest of us, after all, why would you *just now* distrust a user who has been banned since the 13^th of February 2020:



lega46141 - Hero Member (Archived) - https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=lega46141



It makes no sense except to spread FUD.

[nutildah]

OFF TOPIC FUD
... you would have posted it from your main account. ...
OFF TOPIC FUD

Perhaps you should leave the alt investigation to the rest of us, after all, why would you *just now* distrust a user who has been banned since the 13^th of February 2020:

Its because that user was DT2 strength 0 until I distrusted him. Much like everything you've contributed to this thread thus far, it has nothing to do with it.

I have nothing further to add here, and I'm pretty sure you don't either.

[JollyGood]

Perhaps you should leave the alt investigation to the rest of us, after all, why would you *just now* distrust a user who has been banned since the 13^th of February 2020:

This thread is supposed to be about theyoungmillionaire (user=1180530) defaulting on his loan, everything unrealted should be discussed in different thread.

[Timelord2067]

Perhaps you should leave the alt investigation to the rest of us, after all, why would you *just now* distrust a user who has been banned since the 13^th of February 2020:

This thread is supposed to be about theyoungmillionaire (user=1180530) defaulting on his loan, everything unrealted should be discussed in different thread.

Good Point.

How are your own investigations into theyoungmillionaire going?  Turned up anything yet?

[JollyGood]

I never investigated him, I have no interest in him at all except for the fact he defaulted on his loan.

There are comments about him having multiple accounts and others questioning whether something might have happened to him (health, accident, etc) which might have contributed to him defaulting but for me the only issue that matters is that the loan was defaulted and no explanation was ever provided by theyoungmillionaire to DireWolfM14.

Perhaps you should leave the alt investigation to the rest of us, after all, why would you *just now* distrust a user who has been banned since the 13^th of February 2020:

This thread is supposed to be about theyoungmillionaire (user=1180530) defaulting on his loan, everything unrealted should be discussed in different thread.

Good Point.

How are your own investigations into theyoungmillionaire going?  Turned up anything yet?

[cabalism13]

... and this is what's known as Default Trust abuse:


using their position on DT1 to attempt to silence those who would expose their Default Trust abuse.  You're looking more and more guilty as the hours go by.

That's what I'm talking about with your lazy brain. You're just obsessed with the DT1 position, and yet all you see is an abuse. LoL. Please don't forget that its My Personal Trust List and I'm free to do what I want as long as it fits on my judgements.

Also you are free to do the same:
~cabalism13

Perhaps you should leave the alt investigation to the rest of us, after all, why would you *just now* distrust a user who has been banned since the 13^th of February 2020:

This thread is supposed to be about theyoungmillionaire (user=1180530) defaulting on his loan, everything unrealted should be discussed in different thread.

I creates a thread for Timelord2067:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260128.msg54737028#msg54737028
And, 😌 please guys stop flooding this thread with irrelevant replies, You're definitely not helping and so do I. Whatever comes into the plate, then that's that already.
Let this thread be in peace, until we find out where the shitty scammer is.

[finaleshot2016]

Sorry for the super late response, this proof might help this issue.

He messaged and corrected an error in my thread through bitcointalk message and that's the first time I interacted with him in telegram. I don't have old convos, the only convos that left to me is with his new telegram account which is "Hero" and the discord account which is "GCC Hero" (a discord account to manage the discord group of Global Cryptocurrency, you can check the group itself that he's a former member there. https://bit.ly/2C3Octt) Also, I forgot that he's still on my trust list and if that's the issue, I already removed him due to not paying his debt to Direwolfm14. I didn't really focus on the trust thingy, I just put those people who helped and I see as a reputable member. I guess the merits aren't the issue here because as you can see, I did my best using the knowledge and skills that I have on creating those threads in our local board and besides, we have a different style and personality. The year 2018 is really quiet on our grounds and we are the ones who have the drive to improve, have a norm on creating threads, and making the local active, I know a lot that can vouch on this.  and the fact that we can put anyone here, there's nothing wrong with that. Therefore, there's no abuse happened and what brings me here is because many people know me for being active in those years. I'm not a political person (Some of you think DT as power, very political) and I don't have goals for this kind of position, meaning that I don't give a sht about it.

I think I am also a victim, now I really don't know if he fooled me over the things that he said before:
-a businessman
-starting business
-lost btcs during dumped
-the photo of him and with some certain whotheguyis
..
-flights anytime anywhere
(the whole convo has been wiped out by him)

That's what I think, a victim to his actions, to all of us who have interacted with him. Look at me now, being accused of being a TYM's alt.

This is our last conversation and as you can see in the chat, he didn't open the message and already inactive for a long time.

Explanation to the conversation:
He's asking me to create a design for a physical coin since the local board knows me as a graphic designer but I just ignored his message since I'm busy at that time finishing college. So how could you tell me that I bought this account? Well, I admit it that I'm lacking recently, and I don't want to explain the current situation/problem I am facing right now (add the pandemic) 'cause I know you guys don't really care about any personal life, but it is not a good proof tho.

finaleshot2016

The reason why I have an ALT is to contact the campaign manager at that time 'cause I'm very stupid to use that secret question feature. I bought another PC and forgot the password that I have (I'm always using auto login), and I was surprised that he also changed his password. I also have the emails from bitcointalk support for the recovery of my account and proves that I don't have any idea about the secret question and won't change a password without any good reason. So I don't know why tf is TYM having the same day with me of changing a password.

Hi, this is finaleshot2016, I'm sorry for not posting last week because my account was blocked for using the secret question and now I'm currently fixing it.
I'm hoping for your consideration, thanks for understanding!

About coins.ph
You can actually view and read the faqs of coins.ph,
https://support.coins.ph/hc/en-us/articles/360000012161-Which-IDs-are-accepted-for-the-ID-verification-process-
And it is stated there that we need a Valid ID (which is very hard to get especially here in the PH) to be able to transact in coins.ph. Meaning that every BTC address on coins.ph, there's only 1 user and it's validated.

https://support.coins.ph/hc/en-us/articles/115000162741-What-is-Coins-ph-and-how-does-it-work-
And if you don't trust the platform that we're using, it is stated here that;

Coins.ph is the first virtual currency provider in the Philippines to be licensed by the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP) with a Virtual Currency Exchange license. Using your wallet, you can easily convert your Pesos into Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, or Ethereum.

I have managed to transact on our local board with a lot of Filipinos and they already know a piece of my personal information that I am not disclosing here. @cryptoaddictchie is one of them, as you can see in his reply..

Hi, @Timelord2067 wanted to help you with your investigation...

I want to help as much as I can because DirewolfM14 also lends me money during the time I'm having financial problems but this is all the info I got about him. If you have a discord app, try to contact some of the admins/moderators in the GCC discord group, it might lead you to the whereabouts of TYM. You also got his coins.ph address, try to contact the customer support and report it to them so he can't use his coins.ph wallet. I hope this information that I've got helps you find the real culprit here.

[Nellayar]

This might be a lead to sue him. If ever there is a transaction from his wallet address that he used to borrow money and the coins.ph address above, You can file a police report using that evidence. Combining the total amount that he loans here are worthy to sue him. I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

The only problem is that most the judiciary branch in PH are closed due to pandemic. It will take some time to reopen again.

You need also to cooperate with coins.ph as well in order to find the person behind that transaction. It won`t be that easy since coins.ph values the privacy afaik and it needs valid proof (I know you had it too). But then, OP may find the real person behind the name of TYM. It just need some time, hoping that OP will become interested to file a case. So that, this would be a lesson for all loaners that even we are covering by anonymity in cryptocurrency, we can detect by using the internet.

PS. Here are the steps on how to report fraudulent users in coins.ph

Please follow the steps below:

Step 1: Report this to us

Please get in touch with us immediately at  help@coins.ph or you can call us at our helpline: 8692-2829

Step 2: Fill in our complaint form. 

It’s very important that you fill this out so that we will not miss any relevant information that would help us in investigating the reported case. Please provide proof of payment, relevant information and screenshot of conversations or any other materials that would help us understand what happened. Once you have submitted the above information we will be investigating your concern and giving you an update within 3 business days.

Step 3: Report this incident to the authorities

Should you wish to pursue this case, including claiming any funds back, the next step would be to report this incident to the authorities. Coins.ph is a digital payments platform, and thus, we cannot provide dispute resolution recourse or refunds. Payments are final and irreversible.

Due to our Privacy Policy, we cannot share user information directly to you. We would need a formal letter (official Request for Information) from the authorities to share information. With an official letter, we would be able to share the relevant information that we might have gathered about the reported incident, as outlined in our Privacy Policy. We will cooperate to resolve any reports and concerns, to maintain the safety of the platform.

Please exercise vigilance when transacting online. Be wary of unauthorized and unlicensed investment schemes claiming to offer quick or guaranteed returns.

It is so sad that one of my countrymen is compromised. But it is too sad that lenders like OP was scammed and dealt with loan default. Hoping that it will be settled as soon as possible.
 
Reference: https://support.coins.ph/hc/en-us/articles/115000045622-How-do-I-report-a-scam-or-fraudulent-activity-

[JollyGood]

I am glad you refer to him as a scammer. I think the consensus seems to be pointing heavily towards theyoungmillionaire being a scammer rather than being someone who through the course of either an unfortunate incident or other misfortune ended up not only defaulting on his loan repayments but also was unable to contact the lender (DireWolfM14) to apologise.

As for where he is right now, well it might be easy to answer if it were known how many alt-accounts he has here...

And, 😌 please guys stop flooding this thread with irrelevant replies, You're definitely not helping and so do I. Whatever comes into the plate, then that's that already.
Let this thread be in peace, until we find out where the shitty scammer is.

[Timelord2067]

Interestingly enough finaleshot2016 does not come here to this scam accusation to answer questions concerning their apparent merit & Default trust abuse with theyoungmillionaire, instead removes their trust of theyoungmillionaire (but being DT1 does not go so far as to distrust theyoungmillionaire as that would push him to DT2 (-11) )

Via https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx

[Golgoth]

edit: I have moved this post here.

@Timelord2067 please respond over there.

In a thread named "Timelord2067's Investigation" opened to freely attack him? Is it a joke?
The case is not about Timelord, it's about TYM and his filipino network.
Why are you trying to reverse the case? 

[Timelord2067]

In a thread named "Timelord2067's Investigation" opened to freely attack him? Is it a joke?
The case is not about Timelord2067, it's about TYM and his Filipino network.
Why are you trying to reverse the case? 

I don't normally give a running commentary on an investigation in progress, but my thanks to Golgolth for your words of encouragement and support.

I've managed to have a quick look this afternoon at the OP TX and there is independent evidence to confirm the wallet address that the funds were sent to was coin.ph Wallet [00000dd86b] as confirmed by @coinlocket$ amongst others

• Here
• Here
• Here
• Here
• Here

Both TX funds went into and straight back out of that wallet address with 155 transactions which would have suggested that one wallet address assigned per user was how they traded, but the next TX out https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/8ffe093e83cba2a84668a5df9fc8cb9afdabdee20b386d19ae62b667b5e38a0e was from four wallet addresses going to just two other wallet addresses, so although the one wallet address, one user is probably how the site operated, the operators were able to pool funds for withdrawals.

[stompix]

You need also to cooperate with coins.ph as well in order to find the person behind that transaction. It won`t be that easy since coins.ph values the privacy afaik and it needs valid proof (I know you had it too).

No service in any country in this world will ever give information about their clients without a court order and that only to the authorities.

Contacting coin.ph at this point is useless, they will simply tell you that since it's not one of their transactions that is disputed and it's a case of fraud between two users and to go file a complaint and they will only release the information to whatever branch of anti-fraud or cybercrime is in charge of that.

Unfortunately for DireWolfM14 probably the scammer knew that and made a bit of math in his head, scam as much as you can but not enough to make him bent of recovering the amount at all costs. Recovegin the money is possible only if DireWolfM14 files a complaint with his local law agency and waits for results, or if he delegates someone in Philipines to file a civil dispute case against TYM and hope the court would accept these proofs, and there might be some other bumps down this road.

Let this thread be in peace, until we find out where the shitty scammer is.

And at that point....what would be the next move?

[cabalism13]

And at that point....what would be the next move?

Report to NBI Cyber Crime Group, because here in the Philippines it is now prohibited. Scammers Online can now be imprisoned.

Besides Direwolf has enough evidence that he and TYM made a transaction

[stompix]

And at that point....what would be the next move?

Report to NBI Cyber Crime Group,

Exactly my point
This could be done even now with the info at hand, it's not like you can't add more proofs to your case later and contact them through the investigation.
But even if you find his home address and shoe size you can't do anything legally to get those funds back unless you contact the authorities.

So at this point, it's all about finding a method on getting a case against him, and people familiar with the laws in Philipines should enquire how can a foreigner press charges and how can he select a legal representative, also how costly that would be.

[Digitradez]

Someone not paying back a loan isn't a scam, its just a default on a loan. Imagine if all the people in the world with debt were considered scammers, just lol.

People are really just jumping to assumptions, you have no idea if this person had a serious medical issue.

[LoyceV]

Someone not paying back a loan isn't a scam, its just a default on a loan. Imagine if all the people in the world with debt were considered scammers, just lol.

Although disappearing without paying back is considered a scam on Bitcointalk, you make a good point if someone is considering to pursue this IRL.

you have no idea if this person had a serious medical issue.

That's unlikely considering this timeline:

In early January theyoungmillionaire contacted me via PM
~
theyoungmillionaire has not logged into the forum since January 6

From what I've seen in my years in crypto, disappearing with funds is much more likely than serious medical issues.

[DireWolfM14]

Someone not paying back a loan isn't a scam, its just a default on a loan.

Defaulting on a loan is in fact a scam.  People go to jail for that.  They lose their homes for that.  They suffer years of shitty credit score for that.  Know why?  Because it's an attempt to defraud others.  In other words, A SCAM.

Imagine if all the people in the world with debt were considered scammers, just lol.

You're the only moron here suggesting debt=scam.  Just lol.

People are really just jumping to assumptions, you have no idea if this person had a serious medical issue.

Do you?

[hd49728]

People are really just jumping to assumptions, you have no idea if this person had a serious medical issue.

Do you?

Such activities (password changed, password reset via email) won't happen as coincidences when one has a serious medical issue. If TYM's account was hacked on those days, he should kindly appear to announce about that but he did not. Did he take an advantage of a hack to make his loan default? No one knows but all in all assumptions, he is a scammer.

theyoungmillionaire

[barlo357]

This scum is fishing merits back when I was active here. Starting from fishing merits and leveled up to fishing trust scores then ask for loan. His social engineering skills is good and made the legit loaners here gave him a huge loan. I envy this guy before for having a big post to merit ratio, but I feel something really bad coming after he is being persistent on giving him merit and asks me to delete his message about him asking merits. I don't really wish the best for him, and it would be great if he loses it all during the time of pandemic.

[Timelord2067]

This scum is fishing merits back when I was active here. Starting from fishing merits and leveled up to fishing trust scores then ask for loan. His social engineering skills is good and made the legit loaners here gave him a huge loan. I envy this guy before for having a big post to merit ratio, but I feel something really bad coming after he is being persistent on giving him merit and asks me to delete his message about him asking merits. I don't really wish the best for him, and it would be great if he loses it all during the time of pandemic.

It's uncanny how close date-wise barlo375 and theyoungmillionaire's creation dates are:

Code:

Date Registered: 	2017-10-02, 00:39:11 	theyoungmillionaire
Date Registered: 	2017-10-07, 13:11:18 	barlo357

Both are from the Philippines.


Last post in this thread before today:

Code:

Posted on: 2020-07-08, 00:07:10
Posted by: hd49728 

Why post in a thread that's nearly three years cold?

Code:

Last post in April:  2020-04-06, 14:35:05 by hd49728

barlo357 wakes up:

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5/15/2020 1:33:23 PM 	woke up  	barlo357

and bumps this very thread that had been inactive for more than two months:

that guy is secretly fishing for merit on the time that he is still a Member rank. too bad that i cleared our convo back then

i'm also secretly being bitter on his merit count and thought of one day he will make a shady action

i hope you already looking forward and moved on on what happened to you

barlo357 only merits was to barlo_blake

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Date Registered: 	2018-04-14, 11:43:00
Last Active: 	2018-08-02, 01:49:58

Two weeks after barlo_blake UID was created, theyoungmillionaire changed their password

Code:

4/25/2018 8:43:59 PM 	password changed
6/6/2018 1:12:37 PM 	password changed
1/28/2019 8:27:54 AM 	password reset via email
4/18/2019 12:31:57 AM 	password changed

barlo_blake was short lived:

Code:

Date Registered: 	2018-04-14, 11:43:00
Last Active: 	2018-08-02, 01:49:58

As was this "imposter" theyoungmillionaire007:

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Date Registered: 	2018-06-25, 23:54:46
Last Active: 	2018-09-12, 04:42:43

Not saying they are alts, but it's uncanny...

[shasan]

One of the merit fans of theyoungmillionaire is asu and asu also defaulted on a big loan. I am not telling they are alt but they might be alt. If theyoungmillionaire and/or would be an ethical user then the user could repay the initial amount base on the fiat of the loan money I think that could be accepted by the OP. These types of user default as they think they will be able to reach on higher rank from alt to they might have alt. I don't think any person will default on a loan if s/he has only a single account.

[barlo357]

This scum is fishing merits back when I was active here. Starting from fishing merits and leveled up to fishing trust scores then ask for loan. His social engineering skills is good and made the legit loaners here gave him a huge loan. I envy this guy before for having a big post to merit ratio, but I feel something really bad coming after he is being persistent on giving him merit and asks me to delete his message about him asking merits. I don't really wish the best for him, and it would be great if he loses it all during the time of pandemic.

It's uncanny how close date-wise barlo375 and theyoungmillionaire's creation dates are:

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Date Registered: 	2017-10-02, 00:39:11 	theyoungmillionaire
Date Registered: 	2017-10-07, 13:11:18 	barlo357

Both are from the Philippines.


Last post in this thread before today:

Code:

Posted on: 2020-07-08, 00:07:10
Posted by: hd49728 

Why post in a thread that's nearly three years cold?

Code:

Last post in April:  2020-04-06, 14:35:05 by hd49728

barlo357 wakes up:

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5/15/2020 1:33:23 PM 	woke up  	barlo357

and bumps this very thread that had been inactive for more than two months:

that guy is secretly fishing for merit on the time that he is still a Member rank. too bad that i cleared our convo back then

i'm also secretly being bitter on his merit count and thought of one day he will make a shady action

i hope you already looking forward and moved on on what happened to you

barlo357 only merits was to barlo_blake

Code:

Date Registered: 	2018-04-14, 11:43:00
Last Active: 	2018-08-02, 01:49:58

Two weeks after barlo_blake UID was created, theyoungmillionaire changed their password

Code:

4/25/2018 8:43:59 PM 	password changed
6/6/2018 1:12:37 PM 	password changed
1/28/2019 8:27:54 AM 	password reset via email
4/18/2019 12:31:57 AM 	password changed

barlo_blake was short lived:

Code:

Date Registered: 	2018-04-14, 11:43:00
Last Active: 	2018-08-02, 01:49:58

As was this "imposter" theyoungmillionaire007:

Code:

Date Registered: 	2018-06-25, 23:54:46
Last Active: 	2018-09-12, 04:42:43

Not saying they are alts, but it's uncanny...

Bro I commend your efforts on back tracking. This was my uncle's account and I introduced him this forum since he was unemployed. I told him to make barlo_blake (the name of his dogs) in case this account will be banned and use this to make appeal to the mods. He entrusted this account to me last 2018 to spot a paying bounty campaign but unfortunately during that time most bounty campaigns from ICOs are not paying due to some factors such as bear market, no investors trying to risk their wealth to ICOs (no softcap/hardcap reached means no value of bounty tokens, base from my understanding back then).

If you are asking why I'm not using my main it is because it was banned due to excessive posting on the ANN thread that I'm working on. It was my fault since I didn't read the rules when it comes to updating the ANN thread (as I remember, it was banned on mid 2019).

I was also the one that post this way back 2020:

that guy is secretly fishing for merit on the time that he is still a Member rank. too bad that i cleared our convo back then

i'm also secretly being bitter on his merit count and thought of one day he will make a shady action

i hope you already looking forward and moved on on what happened to you

I remembered theyoungmillionaire is fishing merits since my uncle is the one that informed me about it. After waking up this account due to boredom (2020), I checked the messages and see the theyoungmillionaire's message on this account saying "muzta?" (He was asking how I was) and I'm just shocked that my intuition was right back then and saw theyoungmillionaire 's account with negative trust and saw this thread and reply to it. I rarely post during the last bull run since I'm doing full time trading on crypto but I'm still a silent reader on the forum mostly on altcoin discussions.

And yeah, after waking this account again (2023) for bounty campaigns, I scanned again my inbox and saw and checked theyoungmillionaire's account again and reply to this thread without knowing that I already replied to this thread way back 2020 until you back track it and made me remember that I already reply to this thread.


P.S. I hope you still get my point even my sentence construction is bad.

[Timelord2067]

@barlo357:

Who is theyoungmillionaire if not you?


You've just admitted yet another UID is banned, so unless you are appealing that ban, you are engaging in ban evasion.

[T3PR00T]

If you are asking why I'm not using my main it is because it was banned due to excessive posting on the ANN thread that I'm working on. It was my fault since I didn't read the rules when it comes to updating the ANN thread (as I remember, it was banned on mid 2019).

Mistake you don't want it anyone to know not even yourself Lol.

It's clear, you are not TYM. But it's not going to help you now. For ban evading you will be punished unfortunately.

[barlo357]

@barlo357:

Who is theyoungmillionaire if not you?

I don't have any details other than a fellow Filipino.

@barlo357:

You've just admitted yet another UID is banned, so unless you are appealing that ban, you are engaging in ban evasion.

I'm going to appeal in few days. I hope they would unban me since it was my first time managing an announcement thread and I don't know spamming would get a ban without any warnings.

[Timelord2067]

@barlo357:

You've just admitted yet another UID is banned, so unless you are appealing that ban, you are engaging in ban evasion.

I'm going to appeal in few days. I hope they would unban me since it was my first time managing an announcement thread and I don't know spamming would get a ban without any warnings.

So what is your alt then?

[nutildah]

@barlo357:

You've just admitted yet another UID is banned, so unless you are appealing that ban, you are engaging in ban evasion.

I'm going to appeal in few days. I hope they would unban me since it was my first time managing an announcement thread and I don't know spamming would get a ban without any warnings.

So what is your alt then?

Why don't you figure it out for yourself?

He doesn't owe you anything.

[barlo357]

@barlo357:

You've just admitted yet another UID is banned, so unless you are appealing that ban, you are engaging in ban evasion.

I'm going to appeal in few days. I hope they would unban me since it was my first time managing an announcement thread and I don't know spamming would get a ban without any warnings.

So what is your alt then?

Why don't you figure it out for yourself?

He doesn't owe you anything.

Should I tell him?

[nutildah]

Should I tell him?

Well I just said you don't owe him anything. You can tell him if you want to get your other account banned, its up to you.

[holydarkness]

@barlo357:

You've just admitted yet another UID is banned, so unless you are appealing that ban, you are engaging in ban evasion.

I'm going to appeal in few days. I hope they would unban me since it was my first time managing an announcement thread and I don't know spamming would get a ban without any warnings.

If I may suggest, I'd propose you to stop posting here or any other thread and start working on that ban appeal, otherwise --judging from how frequent you posted on any other board and topic instead of making an appeal on meta-- this account will begin to be considered as a ban evasion attempt.

[...]
25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.
[...]
Examples:
[...] If you get banned (temporary or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.
[...]

[DireWolfM14]

What the literal fuck?  Over!

Why would anyone bump this painful memory?  TYM and ASU really figured out how to take advantage of my generous nature, and I consider them responsible for my current ornery disposition towards borrowers on this forum.  Things will never be the same!  Even though I would never risk more than I can afford to lose, and the losses I suffered to those two(?) pieces of shit didn't affect my over all financial health, the pain of being duped by them is still real.

If anyone has something significant to add to this topic in the future, please PM me.

Thread locked!