Did Bill Gates create Corona Virus (Covid-19) ?

[nullius]

But I understand where you're coming from -

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-bill-gates-is-dealing-with-coronavirus-outbreak-2020



Why did he give such statement in the first place?

Crikey, again, I myself have said similarly before!  Let’s see...

• The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918–20 infected 500 million, killed 50 million worldwide (at a time when the world’s population was much smaller, and commercial passenger air transportation did not yet exist—aeroplanes were still quite new technology)
• The coronavirus outbreak of 2002–03
• Other reasons I have no time to list here

Maybe there is your “why”.  Just my own little pet theory.

It is not just one sentence which is suspicious, it is everywhere. Watch the goddamn videos. They are all over youtube. There are many more.

Youtube is a great place to cook your mind with arrant nonsense.

Rule of thumb:  Anybody who has something serious to report on such matters will reduce it to writing:  An information-dense format that admits easy skimming for early evaluation, and also makes it easy to provide citations to sources of information.

Anytime anybody tells me that there is a big secret with the proofs on Youtube, my response is the same:  Will not waste my time.

FYI, the “all over Youtube” category includes positive proofs that the Earth is flat, the moon landings were a hoax, etc., etc.  Youtube has a sort of a reputation that way.  I know this because I have spent much time researching claims about secret truths.  Some of those claims are not fallacious.  You will not find the proofs on Youtube.

To be fair, this is not a totally bogus idea.  I don't buy it, though, in part because in my research I find the impacts of vaccines to be anything but a positive factor in raising a kid to productive adulthood (where they will, with luck, assist the parent in their old age.)  Being highly devastating to health, vaccines are great for prescription drug and adult diaper sales though.

A question that I have been intending to ask you in the other thread, where you ignored my challenge (just have not caught up there due to it being a low priority amongst high priorities):

Do you suggest to parents that all their kids will be just fine without vaccines, with low or no risk of childhood death from illness?

...or:

...oh no, I may have just been kicked out.  I said something that I can predict with arithmetical certainty Dr. o_e_l_e_o will disagree with!  Surely, he will now censor me out of existence.

I have long fancied sitting down with an anti-vaxer, looking him deadpan in the eye, and telling him that yes, I fully agree that all childhood vaccinations should be stopped:  Vaccination removes the necessary selective pressure for a healthy, robust, finely-tuned immune system—and substitutes in its place the empty hybris of a supposition that humans can cure all diseases.

Hey, anti-vaxers, here is a challenge for you:  I will publicly support you, if you will be the first to step up and declare that much though we may wish otherwise, we need some more dead kids in each generation—to prevent unlimited mass suffering and potential extinction in all the generations yet unborn.

I need not reach the question of how bad the side effects of vaccines are or aren’t.  Of course, all medicines have side effects.  Whether vaccines are benign except in a few rare, unfortunate cases, or causing widespread injuries about which The Truth is suppressed by The Medical Establishment, the answer is irrelevant to me.

[...]  I don’t need to know medicine:  I know history.  People used to have eight, ten, or even twenty (yes, literally, twenty) kids with the knowledge that some would die, and others would survive...

tvbcof, want to take up my challenge here, where I can’t use self-mod powers to “censor” you?  Stop being a wimp.  Speak up for The Truth!

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[mindrust]

Youtube is a great place to cook your mind with arrant nonsense.

Rule of thumb:  Anybody who has something serious to report on such matters will reduce it to writing:  An information-dense format that admits easy skimming for early evaluation, and also makes it easy to provide citations to sources of information.

Anytime anybody tells me that there is a big secret with the proofs on Youtube, my response is the same:  Will not waste my time.

FYI, the “all over Youtube” category includes positive proofs that the Earth is flat, the moon landings were a hoax, etc., etc.  Youtube has a sort of a reputation that way.  I know this because I have spent much time researching claims about secret truths.  Some of those claims are not fallacious.  You will not find the proofs on Youtube.

The videos I posted are nothing else than Bill Gates' own speeches.

It is interesting you didn't say anything about the content of the videos. Nice straw-man. Just because youtube has flatearth videos doesn't mean you can't find anything useful there. If you can't, it means you don't know how to look.

Would you care to watch if I uploaded them to dailymotion or pornhub?

[BADecker]

Btw, I do think the world is overpopulated and something had to be done.

I agree with him.

But pulling a Thanos on half of the world population by creating a virus? That's fucked up.

I quite liked what Thanos did in the movie. (But that was a fcking movie) Can't believe it is happening for real now. They were preparing us for this.

It is all in front of you.

It seems that the best way to get something done in government or across the nation, especially if it is a big thing that goes against the grain, tell all the people you are in favor of it. That way they will be expecting it to happen, and it won't be as hard to promote, later.

[tvbcof]

To be fair, this is not a totally bogus idea.  I don't buy it, though, in part because in my research I find the impacts of vaccines to be anything but a positive factor in raising a kid to productive adulthood (where they will, with luck, assist the parent in their old age.)  Being highly devastating to health, vaccines are great for prescription drug and adult diaper sales though.

A question that I have been intending to ask you in the other thread, where you ignored my challenge (just have not caught up there due to it being a low priority amongst high priorities):

Do you suggest to parents that all their kids will be just fine without vaccines, with low or no risk of childhood death from illness?

The ball is in your court over on that thread Mr. We-Need-Dead-Babies (which is a highly technocratic I must say.)

I consider the risk to my minimally vaccinated kid to be extremely low from being harmed by any of the diseases that the vaccines are advertised to protect against for the simple reason that they were already very low by the time they got around to even having a vaccine for them.

I did request the BCG because in my analysis:

 - The environmental risks outweighed the vaccine risks,

 - I consider the theory of operation of this vaccine to be sound and safe,

 - Recent studies (Chinese scientists) shed a lot of light on the mechanics of early post-birth brain development and the effects that various classes of vaccine have on them and BCG was shown to actually be, if anything, helpful.  Unlike Hep-B which was the opposite.

I only have one main concern.  The next move from the pro-vaxxer side will probably be to deliberately release agents which are designed to attack unvaccinated kids.  They will justify it as a good and necessary thing that they must do for the good of the collective because it will increase the number of people having their kids shot up.  I've read enough to see what kinds of creepers are on the so-called 'skeptics' side (orac, skeptical raptor, amazing Randi, etc) and I've zero doubt that they are easily capable of such a strategy.  The tide is turning against the pro-vaxxers and they are likely getting quite desperate.

[nullius]

The videos I posted are nothing else than Bill Gates' own speeches.

It is interesting you didn't say anything about the content of the videos.

No, I did not—because I did not waste my time downloading and watching a long list of videos as “proofs” of a theory that does not comport with common sense.

You did not even clearly identify the source and content of the videos.  You dumped a bunch of links with clickbait titles and talk beneath a big, scary banner.  If I had a satoshi for every time I had seen a similar format of presentation with Flat Earth, Moon Landing Hoax, etc., etc., ad nauseam, then we would need to hardfork a forbidden increase of max money.  “Watch these ten link-dumped hour-long videos narrated by a breathless nutjob, if you want to know THE TRUTH!!!”

What Bill Gates is afraid of

Bill Gates on Overpopulation and Global Poverty!!!!!!

Yes, based on that, I just knew that you were presenting what you purport to be primary-source evidence for a theory that you have vaguely insinuated without bothering to explain in any coherent way.

What in your OP suggests that I should even look (especially when I am under time pressure right now—well, most people are usually busy if their time is worthwhile)?

Nice straw-man. Just because youtube has flatearth videos doesn't mean you can't find anything useful there. If you can't, it means you don't know how to look.

Would you care to watch if I uploaded them to dailymotion or pornhub?

Nice straw-man.  Credibility is not determined by which free-upload video site you put things on.

Also, by the way, I surf the web with a locked-down Tor Browser with Javascript disabled, plus kernel-level restrictions that would prevent audiovisuals from working.  If I want to watch something on Youtube, Dailymotion, Pornhub, or any of these other tube sites, then I use security-isolated youtube-dl manually to download it.  I must expect that that will be worthwhile.  More importantly, I must expect that the time spent watching the long list of videos will be worthwhile.  And no, this doesn’t cut it:

Bill Gates has a warning about deadly epidemics CAN CAUSE HE SAYS 10 MILLION+ DEATHS!! - JUST LISTEN TO THE FIRST 10 SECONDS!

Ahem, no.

[mindrust]

If you are not going to take a look at the links and say something that actually has a meaning (writing a wall'o text without saying anything doesn't count) ... then why are you here? Go hunt TecShare. 

We got your point, you don't watch youtube and you don't believe there is a possibility of Bill being a fuckface.

Bon voyage.

[tvbcof]

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No, I did not—because I did not waste my time downloading and watching a long list of videos as “proofs” of a theory that does not comport with common sense.
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Note that  'super busy' guy here is perfectly happy to accuse people of ducking a challenge even when the response has already been around for a day and the ball is in his court.

 Re: Luciifarian creeper demands undefined number of dead babies (nullius)


Edit:  fixed quotes.

[ABitBack]

So many deluded whack jobs here on this forum. You guys should all go live on your flat moon.

[tvbcof]

So many deluded whack jobs here on this forum. You guys should all go live on your flat moon.

Just in case you don't realize it, 'flat earth' is a psy-op which gives losers something to use against ANY idea which doesn't align with their corp/gov programing.  Nobody actually believes the flat-earth nonsense.

The syllogistic logic here is:

 1.  Any idea which I'm triggered by [usually anything not approved by Big Bro] is like 'flat earth'.

 2.  'flat earth' is idiotic.

 3.  therefore, the idea which I'm triggered by is idiotic.

The whole logical chain it itself so stupid (absurdly erroneous premise) that I don't think that formal logicians even have a term for that particular fallacy.

[Subbir]

I accept as true with you nobody would believe a fool like that and that is to not believe that Gates created the coroner virus it isn't made by anyone. The Coronavirus is a plague and therefore the wrath of God. No drugs are discovered to stop the virus. Only He can save us from this disaster the entire world is horrified and that i can't find how to cure the Coronavirus.

[nancy]

Overwise he is doing a lot to fight it!

[GDragon]

But I understand where you're coming from -

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-bill-gates-is-dealing-with-coronavirus-outbreak-2020



Why did he give such statement in the first place?

Crikey, again, I myself have said similarly before!  Let’s see...

• The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918–20 infected 500 million, killed 50 million worldwide (at a time when the world’s population was much smaller, and commercial passenger air transportation did not yet exist—aeroplanes were still quite new technology)
• The coronavirus outbreak of 2002–03
• Other reasons I have no time to list here

Maybe there is your “why”.  Just my own little pet theory.

Yep, that's the why, specially because of the 1918 pandemic, and Bill Gates isn't the only one warning us about this Pandemic. Here's a few people:
Infectious disease expert Michael Osterholm in 2005 wrote about it in a magazine, he also wrote about it in his 2017 book "Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs." Virologist and flu expert Robert G. Webster also predicted it in a book he wrote in December. Epidemiologist Larry Brilliant warned about a pandemic in 2006. 

There's more, you can read it here: https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-seemingly-predicted-the-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-3

Additional good read from Epidemiologist Larry Brilliant: https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-interview-larry-brilliant-smallpox-epidemiologist/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=onsite-share&utm_brand=wired&utm_social-type=earned&fbclid=IwAR1Rt-SDwpZofSpK4VEtgtqWn_xrLAEPkiZzKDG9PI4-TmZGwVCdLKMOiFw


Why are they warning us? They believed the world is not ready for it. They backed up what Gates said that we should prepare for it like just like how we prepare for war.

[Tash]

If he did it affects rich countries most
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220206.msg54075533#msg54075533

[mindrust]

Event 201 Pandemic Exercise: Highlights Reel, post date Nov 2019.

Selected moments from the Event 201 pandemic tabletop exercise hosted by The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY.  The exercise illustrated the pandemic preparedness efforts needed to diminish the large-scale economic and societal consequences of a severe pandemic.
 
Drawing from actual events, Event 201 identifies important policy issues and preparedness challenges that could be solved with sufficient political will and attention. These issues were designed in a narrative to engage and educate the participants and the audience.

[Cnut237]

Please can we stop these 'Did x deliberately create covid-19' threads? Or can we at least proceed by means of evidence rather than baseless conspiracy theories? Conspiracy theories are nonsense unless they stand on evidence. Data overrules blind supposition every time. It seems kind of ridiculous to say a) Bill Gates warned against a future pandemic and said we are not ready for it, and b) Bill Gates warned that the world population is too high, therefore c) he caused the outbreak. You can find YouTube videos to back up every lunatic idea in existence. What we need is evidence. You can bet that any eventual solution to this thing is science-based and data-driven, as will be any efforts to mitigate risk in the meantime. Perhaps attribution of cause should be approached in a similar manner? Instead of alternating-caps-grade nonsense.

There is zero evidence that it is man-made. To suggest without evidence that it is man-made is irresponsible, and diverts attention away from the need to understand the specific natural cause and the transmission mechanism by which it has caused the current global pandemic. If we don't understand it, then we can't prevent things like this (or worse) occurring in future.

In fact there is very strong scientific evidence that it is a natural disease. Conspiracy theorists should have a read of this paper.

“By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes,” said Kristian Andersen, PhD, an associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research and corresponding author on the paper.

Evidence for natural evolution

The scientists found that the RBD portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins had evolved to effectively target a molecular feature on the outside of human cells called ACE2, a receptor involved in regulating blood pressure. The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein was so effective at binding the human cells, in fact, that the scientists concluded it was the result of natural selection and not the product of genetic engineering.

This evidence for natural evolution was supported by data on SARS-CoV-2’s backbone – its overall molecular structure. If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness. But the scientists found that the SARS-CoV-2 backbone differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins.

“These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2” said Andersen.

Josie Golding, PhD, epidemics lead at UK-based Wellcome Trust, said the findings by Andersen and his colleagues are “crucially important to bring an evidence-based view to the rumors that have been circulating about the origins of the virus (SARS-CoV-2) causing COVID-19.”

“They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution,” Golding adds, “ending any speculation about deliberate genetic engineering.”

The overwhelming likelihood is that it originated in bats and came to humans via an intermediary species. See quote below (from the link above). There is little scientific doubt as to this origin. Truth is revealed as such because it is backed up by data and evidence. The only real area of debate is whether the virus reached its current mutation before or after the initial transmission to humans.

Possible origins of the virus

Based on their genomic sequencing analysis, Andersen and his collaborators concluded that the most likely origins for SARS-CoV-2 followed one of two possible scenarios.

In one scenario, the virus evolved to its current pathogenic state through natural selection in a non-human host and then jumped to humans. This is how previous coronavirus outbreaks have emerged, with humans contracting the virus after direct exposure to civets (SARS) and camels (MERS). The researchers proposed bats as the most likely reservoir for SARS-CoV-2 as it is very similar to a bat coronavirus. There are no documented cases of direct bat-human transmission, however, suggesting that an intermediate host was likely involved between bats and humans.

In this scenario, both of the distinctive features of SARS-CoV-2’s spike protein—the RBD portion that binds to cells and the cleavage site that opens the virus up—would have evolved to their current state prior to entering humans. In this case, the current epidemic would probably have emerged rapidly as soon as humans were infected, as the virus would have already evolved the features that make it pathogenic and able to spread between people.

In the other proposed scenario, a non-pathogenic version of the virus jumped from an animal host into humans and then evolved to its current pathogenic state within the human population. For instance, some coronaviruses from pangolins, armadillo-like mammals found in Asia and Africa, have an RBD structure very similar to that of SARS-CoV-2. A coronavirus from a pangolin could possibly have been transmitted to a human, either directly or through an intermediary host such as civets or ferrets.

Then the other distinct spike protein characteristic of SARS-CoV-2, the cleavage site, could have evolved within a human host, possibly via limited undetected circulation in the human population prior to the beginning of the epidemic. The researchers found that the SARS-CoV-2 cleavage site, appears similar to the cleavage sites of strains of bird flu that has been shown to transmit easily between people. SARS-CoV-2 could have evolved such a virulent cleavage site in human cells and soon kicked off the current epidemic, as the coronavirus would possibly have become far more capable of spreading between people.

[Lauda]

It sounds like a conspiracy and it sound too unrealistic. I don't want to believe that Bill Gates could choose this way of solving overpopulation problem.

One has to be pretty ignorant for your first conclusion to be a conspiracy theory. Unfortunately many people here are, especially those that consider themselves "educated".

[tvbcof]

It sounds like a conspiracy and it sound too unrealistic. I don't want to believe that Bill Gates could choose this way of solving overpopulation problem.

One has to be pretty ignorant for your first conclusion to be a conspiracy theory. Unfortunately many people here are, especially those that consider themselves "educated".

"Means, motive, and opportunity" doesn't apply if the guy is a billionaire I guess.

These are not the droids we're looking for.  Nothing to see here folks; Move along.

[Meowth05]

Is this another conspiracy cause this one is really funny. I think we should set aside these theories right now and think of a way to stop the spread of this pandemic, give the people the information they need to know about the current pandemic instead of inciting panic why not give them hope.

[tvbcof]

Is this another conspiracy cause this one is really funny. I think we should set aside these theories right now and think of a way to stop the spread of this pandemic, give the people the information they need to know about the current pandemic instead of inciting panic why not give them hope.

The best way to arrest future pandemics would be to discover the precise nature of this one and, if it is associated with a social engineering project which is not 'open source', then expose the details and players to the sunlight.

Failure to do so makes another 'wave' inevitable.

[BADecker]

When you see this, you wonder how many things are hidden inside Windows 10, and Windows servers, just to give Gates more power. Go to the article and check the links.


The Scariest Thing That Bill Gates Just Did During This Period of COVID-19 Panic

He doesn't think in terms of freedom for others, especially since he has the money to easily pay for getting the freedom he doesn't want others to have.

In fact, it is clear he doesn't want others to have freedom.

He wrote on Tuesday of this week in the Washington Post:

"Through my work with the Gates Foundation, I've spoken with experts and leaders in Washington and across the country. It's become clear to me that we must take three steps.

"First, we need a consistent nationwide approach to shutting down. Despite urging from public health experts, some states and counties haven't shut down completely. In some states, beaches are still open; in others, restaurants still serve sit-down meals."

What a power freak. First, it is questionable as to whether restaurants should be shut down but why would you want to shut down beaches when there are plenty of indications that vitamin D from the sun can help in warding off viruses?

And as the Washington Times points out:

This — from the guy who practically controls policy at the World Health Organization...