Health Professionals and COVID-19 - PROOF

[BADecker]

just so you know. that link was not general viruses over say the last 10 years
but just some of the sequences of just covid patients this year
yep not all samples available in the world. but that link is just ~2000 samples of just covid19

if you actually looked and had brains you would see that

you could if you were not ignorant. actually use those and then compare them to other sources.
but hey we all know your brain doesnt work like that. its stuck in ignorance

but when/if you do grow some braincells you can see that these sequences
do compare to other independant labs/countries studies of covid19

and then you can see they do differ to ones if you were to compare them to previous viruses.
meaning its a new variant and its not a few isolated cases


you will then learn that its these sequences this year are actually tied to patients who actually have medical records and actually have doctors who witness the patients symptoms and doctors that also have other info like xrays and ct scans and blood samples. heck patients even have family members that see the patient deteriorate before going to hospital.

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but you are a fool if you think that the studies in that link are just random different viruses

your even more a fool to not realise how those studies then help recognise certain patterns of rna. how certain proteins and enzymes are involved which also allow other tests to be used.

so want to know how the real world works out 'the big bad bug'
its easy
have a patient with big bad symptoms and take a swab to see what that person has.. to know what is causing the big bad symptoms.. when they find out the cause
they call it (using your idiot words) 'big bad bug'

and when they start seeing many people with big bad symptoms having the same big bad bug rna. then they know its more then just a one off/variable. but an issue affecting many people badly.. so its a epidemic.
now that happened in december/january. in china. their initial epidemic

now lets speed you up a bit
then when other countries have patients with the same symptoms and they figure out that it is the same rna for the same big bad bug they call it a pandemic

yep .. that right. they can identify the bug. and they can also see its not the same as previous bugs

You seem to be proving quite well that you know how to badmouth people, so...

Now that you have shown a bunch of sequencing that is supposed to prove Covid, can you come up with even one of those sequencings that proves it was Covid, and not one of the family of CV, or in some cases, a family of things that go way beyond the family known as Coronavirus?

All those sequencing cases are inconclusive for Covid-19. None of them would ever stand up in a court of law as Covid conclusive. Or can you point us to one that is conclusive? And explain how it can be conclusive when it shows a whole family of viruses? Which one?

[franky1]

there are many other sequences from many years that are NOT the same. but similar..
its how they can tell the difference between ebola/SARS/MERS


but all those 2050 are the same, and not seen in a human before december 2019
meaning its not ebola or mers or other.. its a new strain of corona virus and discovered in december 2019
meaning its covid19

this is common sense stuff.. stuff many people learned in january.
you always seem to be spouting outdated myths.

[BADecker]

there are many other sequences from many years that are NOT the same. but similar..
its how they can tell the difference between ebola/SARS/MERS


but all those 2050 are the same, and not seen in a human before december 2019
meaning its not ebola or mers or other.. its a new strain of corona virus and discovered in december 2019
meaning its covid19

this is common sense stuff.. stuff many people learned in january.
you always seem to be spouting outdated myths.

Do you know who cares about sequencing? Two groups:
1. Those who are curious;
2. Those who want to find a virus that is at fault in some particular circumstance.

The sequencing that you show and talk about fits #1. But none of it that you have shown fits #2... except in a way that is so general that it doesn't fit anyway.

Or can you show us a sequncing that points to Covid-19 as the absolute culprit?

[BADecker]

Here we have it... the "things" that have to be done to determine if a virus exists, and the fact that Covid-19 DOES exist. - Koch's postulates fulfilled for SARS virus - https://www.nature.com/articles/423240a. Note that the article says:

According to Koch's postulates, as modified by Rivers for viral diseases, six criteria are required to establish a virus as the cause of a disease.

This is important because these aren't Koch's original postulates.

The footnote link points to 4 places:
https://www.nature.com/articles/cas-redirect/1%3ASTN%3A280%3ADC%252BD283psVOlsA%253D%253D
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16559982
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC545348
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?&title=&journal=J.%20Bacteriol.&volume=33&pages=1-12&publication_year=1937&author=Rivers%2CTM

The important part about these links, and the Rivers-modified Kock postulates is this. The postulate points have been applied correctly to identify that Covid-19 exists. But they haven't been applied properly for two other things:
1. To show that there is a pandemic of Covid-19;
2. To show that even those people who prove Covid-19 positive, are sick from the Covid-19 that they are positive for.

To see that there is a big difference between isolating a virus, and then showing that the virus is responsible for anything, watch: Dr Andrew Kaufman exposing the 'Covid-19' magic trick - the sleight of hand that transformed society - https://www.bitchute.com/video/TXargSbVp7E/.

We don't have proof that Covid is responsible for much of anything. Why not? Because the death statistics for Covid haven't been proven to actually be Covid deaths, and are not much worse than a standard flu season.

[franky1]

The important part about these links, and the Rivers-modified Kock postulates is this. The postulate points have been applied correctly to identify that Covid-19 exists. But they haven't been applied properly for two other things:
1. To show that there is a pandemic of Covid-19;
2. To show that even those people who prove Covid-19 positive, are sick from the Covid-19 that they are positive for.

1. by people IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES being sampled. proves its now international. and not just in china
meaning its pandemic(international) and not epidemic(only national)

2. medical notes of patients sample. where symptoms are specific to a viral effect and not, for instance a traffic related incident

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but it seems that badecker now wants to believe its real.. so he is atleast at january's part of his scripts. but denying its a pandemic. means he has not yet reached february's parts of the scripts he reads

so badecker is still 3 months out of date

 

[BADecker]

The important part about these links, and the Rivers-modified Kock postulates is this. The postulate points have been applied correctly to identify that Covid-19 exists. But they haven't been applied properly for two other things:
1. To show that there is a pandemic of Covid-19;
2. To show that even those people who prove Covid-19 positive, are sick from the Covid-19 that they are positive for.

1. by people IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES being sampled. proves its now international. and not just in china
meaning its pandemic(international) and not epidemic(only national)

2. medical notes of patients sample. where symptoms are specific to a viral effect and not, for instance a traffic related incident

..

but it seems that badecker now wants to believe its real.. so he is atleast at january's part of his scripts. but denying its a pandemic. means he has not yet reached february's parts of the scripts he reads

so badecker is still 3 months out of date

 

Blah, blah, blah. Anybody can talk. The info I have provide in my post 2 posts up, shows that Covid-19 diagnosis in pandemic proportions has not even come close to being proven. In fact, essentially just the opposite has been proven.

[franky1]

Blah, blah, blah. Anybody can talk. The info I have provide in my post 2 posts up, shows that Covid-19 diagnosis in pandemic proportions has not even come close to being proven. In fact, essentially just the opposite has been proven.

badecker your scripts are stuck because you are now denying the existance because your scripts are saying there are no antibody samples.

sorry but back in december/january there were not. because people were sill sick and not recovered to get antibodies..

but guess what. fast forward 3 months and many have now recovered, many have antiboies. many samples have been submitted and infact many are being blood doners so that their plasma(containing antibodies) can be given to current people suffering form covid..

if you just catch up to the reality which everyone (but your cultish crew) sit in. you will see how things are different to the scripts you keep trying to get stuck with.

again
It's May 2020.. not January 2020.. catch up

[BADecker]

Blah, blah, blah. Anybody can talk. The info I have provide in my post 2 posts up, shows that Covid-19 diagnosis in pandemic proportions has not even come close to being proven. In fact, essentially just the opposite has been proven.

badecker your scripts are stuck because you are now denying the existance because your scripts are saying there are no antibody samples.

sorry but back in december/january there were not. because people were sill sick and not recovered to get antibodies..

but guess what. fast forward 3 months and many have now recovered, many have antiboies. many samples have been submitted and infact many are being blood doners so that their plasma(containing antibodies) can be given to current people suffering form covid..

if you just catch up to the reality which everyone (but your cultish crew) sit in. you will see how things are different to the scripts you keep trying to get stuck with.

again
It's May 2020.. not January 2020.. catch up

F-1, nobody even cares about your scripts, or who you are, or about mine or me. What we want to know about is proof for Covid, not a bunch of media talk, or a bunch of lying statistics that take tons of death data, and try to call them Covid, when they really are all kinds of things, with a few Covid deaths included in the mix.

Fast-forward to the tests that have shown that like 50% or more of the population has Covid without the symptoms. Why no symptoms? Because Covid didn't affect them symptoms-wise. And their immune systems built up antibodies so that Covid will never affect them, and the bonus is that the antibodies show how widespread Covid really is.

Or are you going to reverse and say that Covid hasn't been proven after all, so nobody could find the antibodies to Covid.

Are they paying you enough to act and talk stupidly?

[BluePowder]

Hey franky1 !! no comment on the video ? Are you not able refute video when its from the source and not coming from the WHO ?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/YtbxCUJ2qhoN/

[BADecker]

Medical people are coming out of the woodwork, so to speak, all over the world where there is freedom to speak, and showing us that the pandemic is false panic propagated by people who want us to believe a lie.

No they are not. I know people this pandemic has killed. I have a relative who works with the patients who are sick from it.

Actually what has killed is many things, that together have been labeled by the media as one thing, just to cause a false pandemic.

[BluePowder]

Some details on deaths .. 2 min video for the simple people that didn't understand the pdf

Guy Destroys Covid19 Death Statistics - 2:14
https://www.bitchute.com/video/sFq3ziGmlvs/

[BluePowder]

Since a lot people missed medical treatment due to the cv19 hoax and many more just didn't go out for 2 months, we should now expect a surge in deaths. but it won't be from covid.

[franky1]

Some details on deaths .. 2 min video for the simple people that didn't understand the pdf

Guy Destroys Covid19 Death Statistics - 2:14
https://www.bitchute.com/video/sFq3ziGmlvs/

silly fool
firstly
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/

the left column tallies with public numbers on worldometer
the left column is per week
the left column is lab test confirmed numbers
again the left colum is the worlometer numbers of confirmed numbers


the guy takes the right column of 13k confirmed and suspected.
and takes this WEEKLY number. and says how it doesnt compare to worldometers TOTAL number for 2020

[franky1]

Fast-forward to the tests that have shown that like 50% or more of the population has Covid without the symptoms.

there are no tests that show 50% that have it
santa clara showed 1.5%, another california study showed 2.5%

50 out of 3300 is not 50% sorry just no
but wait. your flip flop was the virus didnt exist. now your saying it does but pretending everyone had it

you do know the purpose of the lockdown right.. to stop people getting it enmasse
yes without a lockdown 1.5% in ealy april becomes 4.5 the next week, 13.5%, ~40% by May
but the lockdown turned a r0 of 3 into an r0 of 1 or below 1
meaning 1.5%, 1.5%.1%.1% = 5%(total) by now..

hospitals were not coping and had near critical bed occupancy at 1.5% and now better coping at 1% weekly spread.
hospitals would not cope with 2%weekly nor 4%weekly nor 13% nor 40%

you do realise the purpose of the lockdown right.
to not overwhelm hospitals.. by reducing the spread and keeping it at low percentages.

here is some big revelation for you personally.
arizona only started getting impacted weeks after california.. meaning based on r0 math. and also based on numbers of actual reports. arizona's spread is way below 5% because they didnt have many weeks of r0 of 3. compared to california

so less arizonians have had it. meaning more arizonians have yet to get it. meaning arizona is at more risk of a second wave if it relaxes the lockdown too much

[Negotiation]

Since a lot people missed medical treatment due to the cv19 hoax and many more just didn't go out for 2 months, we should now expect a surge in deaths. but it won't be from covid.

I agree with you but I think the death toll will increase and through this COVID-19 It is not possible to control it completely. Even if everything is relaxed from before if everything is opened people will be able to move freely again as before then the number of deaths will increase even more Now the death toll due to lockdown has come down a bit No cure for this disease has been discovered.

[franky1]

Since a lot people missed medical treatment due to the cv19 hoax and many more just didn't go out for 2 months, we should now expect a surge in deaths. but it won't be from covid.

I agree with you but I think the death toll will increase and through this COVID-19 It is not possible to control it completely. Even if everything is relaxed from before if everything is opened people will be able to move freely again as before then the number of deaths will increase even more Now the death toll due to lockdown has come down a bit No cure for this disease has been discovered.

the death toll due to covid has raised above the normal average. so covid alone has caused more deaths than expected.
but yes those too scared to go to hospital to have dialysis or cancer tumour exams or chemo, will put lives at risk and more deaths can happen

hospitals have sectioned off covid wards away from normal wards
if you had a road accident. an ambulance will stil pick you up and take you to hospital and treat you for your road accident issues.

people can still get dialysis
its only the elective(cosmetic/not vital) stuff that has been cancelled generally. but yes some patients needing chemo have had some hospitals cancel appointments. so i can see a increase in numbers
but nothing huge.

in short. hospitals still run. babies continue to be born. just dont expect to have a cosmetic buttcheek lift anytime soon

[BADecker]

Fast-forward to the tests that have shown that like 50% or more of the population has Covid without the symptoms.

there are no tests that show 50% that have it
santa clara showed 1.5%, another california study showed 2.5%

50 out of 3300 is not 50% sorry just no
but wait. your flip flop was the virus didnt exist. now your saying it does but pretending everyone had it

Are you saying that when a person has the antibodies, but never had the disease, that their immune sustems simply decided to make up something new for the fun of it?... and it just happened by accident to be Covid antibodies?

It would really be nice if it worked like that. We could attribute the few Covid deaths to a handful of people whose immune systems simply weren't so inventive. Then we could get on with our lives, rather than living in fear of nothing.

[BADecker]

The medical isn't a complete lie... only the important parts are. Now we are finding out what has always been in the books, that we don't really have proof even for viruses.

“Science” can’t even prove that viruses, themselves, legally exist!


What do we actually know about "Viruses" like "Covid-19?"

"Science" can't even prove that viruses, themselves, legally exist!

This is the core of the ruling in Germany's highest court in December 2016:

"The available evidence (i.e. that from electron microscopes) does not even prove that viruses exist let alone that they are harmful. The panel of judges ruled that the supposition, guesswork and presumptions which were offered to them do not constitute evidence proving the existence of viruses and ruled against the appellant."

So what, you might ask, are those things that they keep showing us photos of?

The answer is, scientifically, "We simply don't know!"

When we look at the world around us, we see that things appear to grow and then to die. Although the ancient Vedic, Chinese and Sumerian cultures understood how and why, this knowledge appears to have been lost to the Celts who, following the calamity of 3950 B.C., moved West to begin their occupation of what is now called Europe. It is certain that they did bring some of the ancient knowledge with them but this appears to have been lost in the wars of extermination carried out by the Romans.

This state of ignorance was exploited by the Catholic Church to build for themselves an empire which lasted more than 1000 years. The basis of their power was "fear of the unknown" which they took great care to preserve by denying access to learning for other than their "chosen elite". They even made it a capital crime to translate the Bible into a language which the people spoke!

These two driving impulses: The Roman extermination of spiritual knowledge and the Catholic preservation of ignorance made the "Christian" world a very fearful place.

For centuries, the Western World cried out for an explanation of how and why people, animals and crops got sick and died. Louis Pasteur and Robert Koch made use of this thirst for knowledge to spread their doctrine of "infectious disease" even though both knew (as Pasteur freely admitted in his memoirs) that it was and is a bare-faced lie. The personal aggrandisement and large amounts of money which they gained were their driving force.

The "sleight of hand" which they, together, used was done with the recently improved microscope technology. They were able to inculcate a general belief in "disease germs" by showing that certain species of bacteria were present in animals with specific illnesses.

[BADecker]

^^^ You see the little bit of the report in my post above. But the Bolen Report site is down. The virus crooks in the medical are proving two things:
1. They are powerful;
2. They have built the whole CV pandemic, AND modern medicine, as well, on a lie.



EDIT: Check out the following:

Biologist Proves Measles Isn't A Virus, Wins Supreme Court Case Against Doctor - https://www.preventdisease.com/news/17/012717_Biologist-Proves-Measles-Isnt-Virus-Wins-Supreme-Court-Case.shtml

Did Germany's Supreme Court rule that the measles virus didn't exist? - https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/39817/did-germanys-supreme-court-rule-that-the-measles-virus-didnt-exist

German Supreme Court Rules Measles Does Not Exist - https://nworeport.me/2017/01/23/german-supreme-court-rules-measles-does-not-exist/

Germany court orders measles sceptic to pay 100,000 euros - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218

[franky1]

gotta laugh ..
so badecker wants to prove viruses dont exist. by posting links that show they do exist

EG the guy that makes an article saying measles doesnt exist but the vaccine contains.. 'the virus' ..
so is he saying the vaccine contains nothing.. or the vaccine contains something

also looking at a cell means nothing. part of the identification is to do the KOCH test.. which you very well know

parts of the test is to see if it can replicate. meaning its a virus
next is identifying its features. and what symptoms and sickness it can cause

next is comparing the rna of the cell to other rna of other creatures/people who have been sick with the same symptoms and if the rna of the cause matches then obviously they became sick because of the same thing.

they do this test multiple times on healthy. no pre-existing sickness specimens. and see the reaction of infecting that specimen has

this has all be done and proven.
you been told this months ago.

please try to catch up a little faster. i know you finally stepped into the realm of february's history. but try to skip ahead and reach May
it will enlighten you

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and before you say its a vaccine that caused it.. sorry.. but there isnt even a vaccine out yet.
and you also yourself provided proof from a australian guy that is an anti-vaxxer who said his family demanded doctors give him citric acid. how could he have got sick in the first place if he was living the badecker lifestyle
.. answer. because its not a vaccine that people took that made them sick. but a virus that has been spreading around the world since december. without needles needing to be used.