Cleobet: Another betb2b (1xbet/1xbit) clone - Flag to be supported

[LTU_btc]

I'm not 100% convinced that Cleobet and 1xbit arr related. But this story definitely doesn't looks good and I'm not going to use this website, unless they will prove that this accusation is wrong. Cleobet deny accusation, but I see lack of transparency in their answers and there is no facts in their words which would prove that they are legitimate. Copying design, layout, colors and other stuff from 1xbit looks bad, no matter what was reason why they did this.

Not even their license is proper, what else do you need?

So, I don't say that they are legitimate or something. But I don't know much about licenses of gambling websites, so, what's exactly wrong with their license?
@Cleobet, your attack against @Rikafip looks really ridiculous and you showed that you don't understand how this forum works. And even if it would be true what you said, it has no relation with this topic.

[Cleobet]

efialtis alleges: Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with Cleobet is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions.
Support: Lauda, Avirunes, tyKiwanuka, efialtis


What a joke!
It is obvioous for me that Lauda,  tyKiwanuka, and efialtis are all the same person. I can not judge now about Avirunes, but it would not surprise to me if he is in this complot as well.
You do not have to be an expert for that.
There is a big difference between the other posts, who are sharing their opinions with normal statements, which I am open for feedback.
But this troll efialtis has a team of workers around him, or he controls them by himself.

Can anbody tell me it is allowed to post a topic where I want ti hire people who can investigate this pattern for me, and investigating all the connections between all the accounts that are used from efialtis?
I will pay for this of course. I respect the privacy, so if somebody wants to start this investigation; I will not publish any names.

I do not know the bitcointalk forum so good; that is correct.
But what I do know is that there are shady games played here, and it is organised.

Bookmakers who do not pay out, receive complaints that users accounts are blocked.. All no problem, no red flag or yellow flag or whatever.
Simply hired an army to push the messages away.
But when a new sportsbook comes here, that shows some similraties with other bookmakers, it must be red flagged. And warned about it from the moderators.
In what world do we live?

If somebody is willing to start an investigating against efialtis and his ALT accounts, please PM me. I am sure we will agree on the price.

[marlboroza]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218615.msg54148869#msg54148869

Rikafip even is selling accounts in this topic!

I think you might want to visit your ophthalmologist.

efialtis, tyKiwanuka, Rikafip, Lauda are the same person. (or working together)

I am going to add efialtis, tyKiwanuka and Rikafip to list of my alt accounts.
If you are not able to read posts and you are jumping to conclusion like you are doing in this topic, I wouldn't go near your service, you seem very unprofessional and I don't know what can happen to funds if someone make deposit and face certain issue. Rants from you? Random accusations?

Respond to this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237723.msg54161745#msg54161745.

[Harkorede]

snip.

Not everyone is convinced that your platform is associated with 1xbet and co, but having almost the same design is a big red flagged. However, you're choosing to fight the wrong battle, efialtis and others are just trying to protect the forum users and they have absolutely nothing to gain from tarnishing your image, so imo, your major priority should be trying to prove them wrong about any association with 1xbet, It might take a while but these decisions do change with time and Best Change is a recent proof to that. As far this forum is concerned, 1xbet is the Yobit of gambling industries.

[Lauda]

I'm not 100% convinced that Cleobet and 1xbit arr related. But this story definitely doesn't looks good and I'm not going to use this website, unless they will prove that this accusation is wrong. Cleobet deny accusation, but I see lack of transparency in their answers and there is no facts in their words which would prove that they are legitimate. Copying design, layout, colors and other stuff from 1xbit looks bad, no matter what was reason why they did this.

Not even their license is proper, what else do you need?

So, I don't say that they are legitimate or something. But I don't know much about licenses of gambling websites, so, what's exactly wrong with their license?

Read the thread from the beginning to end, including all pictures. The license number listed is not theirs. Until corrected, you can assume their license does not exist.

I think you might want to visit your ophthalmologist.

efialtis, tyKiwanuka, Rikafip, Lauda are the same person. (or working together)

I am going to add efialtis, tyKiwanuka and Rikafip to list of my alt accounts.

Hello me, and hello to other mes too!

[marlboroza]

Hello me, and hello to other mes too!

Hello theymos!

So no response from Cleobet and they were online, I guess this is their final:

Q: "What's that with your gambling licence?"
A: "You are all alt accounts! You are selling forum accounts!"

It is just huge deflection and very bad attempt to move topic into different direction, like no one will notice...

[efialtis]

Hello me, and hello to other mes too!

Hello theymos!

So no response from Cleobet and they are online, I guess this is their final:

Q: "What's that with your gambling licence?"
A: "You are all alt accounts! You are selling forum accounts!"

It is just huge deflection and very bad attempt to move topic into different direction, like no one will notice...

Man, I am a troll, freelance sucker from 3. world, hired to destroy bookmaker´s reputation... All figured! 

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Simply hired an army to push the messages away.
But when a new sportsbook comes here, that shows some similraties with other bookmakers, it must be red flagged. And warned about it from the moderators.
In what world do we live?

If somebody is willing to start an investigating against efialtis and his ALT accounts, please PM me. I am sure we will agree on the price.

Can you show some proof that they are hired to tarnish your new sportsbook.

I have been following this thread and i have noticed that you trying to dodge some qtns and then make attacks on some members which is a little shady.

Why are you trying to divert from what is being asked of you?

[TwitchySeal]

The way they've handled themselves in this thread should be enough for anyone to realize that playing on Cleobet would be a bad decision.

[Cleobet]

So since it is undeniable that lauda the scammer lied that the was no instamine with xcoin/dark because he had bags of it to dump on others. Not only did he claim he was there on the launch so he could say there was no instamine (although it was irrefutable and proven) he viciously attacked members that correctly said there was an instamine.

After lauda finish dumping his bags he then admitted there was an instamine scam coin.

He lied and tried to deceive for direct financial gain = scamming  

What does this gobshite alt or pal of lauda the member nullius do as soon as he wakes up from a very long sleep??
He immediately  makes up a reason to red tag the member that busted lauda for being a scammer?? On what grounds did he trust abuse that famous scam hunter??

For having empathy??

Apparently nullius (laudas bitch or alt)  says having empathy = red trust if you  have busted lauda for scamming.

Here is the evidence of Laura scamming. Have a look.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229739.msg53948198#msg53948198

This a direct lie from lauda to deliberately scam investors into buying into a project under the false premise there was no instamine!!.


Now we see nullius the double standards hypocrite bitch of lauda. Who is supporting lauda and running around looking like a lauda is trying to punish another member for a similar but less serious crime?? This person is not lying like Lauda?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231181.0


What is theymos going to do about these scammers like lauda who have infiltrated  and entrenched  themselves on the trust system? As if there is not enough evidence of lauda scamming extortion and trust abuse to black list it and his supporters. ??

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213587.0

Imagine how lucky those handful of linux miners that instamined 2 million in the first 24hours are so lucky the reward was HUGE, so lucky no windows miners, so lucky the diff was jammed down super low, so lucky the minting got slashed by 75%.... lol they were VERY lucky. I know you were one of these lucky people.

Really? you and your crystal ball seem rather useful. Buy 50k drk right now then if it's impossible to lose. Price is 950000 Impossible to lose? let's see.

To be fair though the thread is regarding the 2 million instamined drk in the first 24hours. If dark rises to 1 on coinmarket cap or sinks to 100 really does not change the facts presented in the OP regarding the shark like instamine and slashing of the minting.

Personally i consider it to have a lot more dev and community behind it, so although it could be a bubble now about to pop (which i think it is) it could actually be reaching fair price per coin now the minting is going to be so low. Who can say. However it was not a fair POW distibution, it was a captive instamine that was then pumped to a HUGE captive instamine later on. One of the most disgusting displays of outright greed from any coin dev and community.

It may take some time, but there will be a entire crop of drk/anon coins on their way now. Drk is in for some tough times. If you really believe ED is the only coder on this planet that can develop a decent anon coin i think you will see soon that you're very wrong. I see a big correction back to 300000 or less in a few days.

Let's see what happens, but investing now in drk would be VERY risky. I wonder if you are selling right now. If you are smart you will be. I would estimate you have 300k or more DRK yourself. I know you have a lot of hardware and operate linux so you could have way more than that. I bet you're unloading a chunk at this point.


Anyway i no longer really care about drk as i did before, the dev really would have gone through with the airdrop i know it for sure, he took a big risk saying he would go through with it and then being forced by the community to pull out. Let's see what happens. He realised his mistake and tried to make up for it. Sadly it was too late and investors were never going to let that happen, although long term it could have been a smart move.

 I am more against drk setting a bad example to other devs who think they can instamine 12.5% in 24hours with no pools or windows wallets, then decide to cut their minting by 75%. Drk may have got away with it to a degree, other new coins must not be allowed to do so.

Let's see what happens with it, will it rise further or crash down. NOBODY really knows.

There was no instamine. Stop this nonsense. In this case you don't know what instamine is.You could have bought almost 10k DRK back in the day for a single Bitcoin, tell me how much that is worth now?
How would you know what I'm operating? Reading my posts around are you?

LOL, you're spouting rubbish.

Someone could come and take everything away from you anyway, forget DRK and masternodes, it's all pointless, throw yourself off a cliff now mate before it's too late!

Try finding me then. With this IP you'll end up in some 3rd world country probably.
MNs are fun, that's why I'm hosting multiple.

If you really want a useful tip then check out Darkcoin. Have a look at the marketcaps today: 7    Darkcoin   $ 18,135,084   $ 4.23   4,284,401 DRK   $ 1,604,453    +54.70 %

Why invest in a coin that is already up so much?

An insider tip is to get in from the start. Like when drk was 10 cents

I still consider it fairly undervalued, I bought more 1 hour ago. If the media catches this tonight, you will see this growth increase.
Remember when dogecoin spiked, what was that 2000-3000%?

if darkcoin is scam. why people buy and the price is rising?
i still don't get it..

Because it's not a scam.

If it was, it would have been dumped to kingdom come and die 10 times over.

History tells the story... 5 months and growing strong.

It's definitely not a scam. 4,286,653 DRK   isn't 50% of the supply either. Only butthurt people are saying such a thing. How about you find me a coin that has such a strong development (features) like DRK?

I think it proves the opposite that only those in on the instamine are claiming it is not a scam

Please do yourself and drk a favour, keep quiet the storm is blowing over. You constant excuses and justifications for the method of release are doing more harm.

If you really believe coins are best released with no windows qt and no pools. Put a thread up about it and settle it once and for all. See what the rest of the community says about it.

I challenge you to do it now?

ALL COINS SHOULD BE RELEASED WITH NO WINDOWS QT AND NO POOLS. VOTE NOW. POW IS FOR LINUX ONLY FROM NOW ON.

make that your title.

Wrong. You seem to be applying the term scam to everything. Even if it was instamined, which it was not, it still is not a scam. Go look up words definitions.
Yes, average users with minimum knowledge still use windows only. Pools shouldn't be used in any coin IMO.
Complain some more and keep missing out on the money.

Cheers.

Closure or loss of some earnings...hmmmm. No big exchanges will risk it if they try and ban it. It won't have this much volume after the pump is done.

Don't be such an obvious pumper, at least pretend to consider some possible negatives. The fact you believe there was no instamine is the best part.

I'd rather be closed than submit to the foul government. There is no pump going on. We have just started to get the attention of some media, wait for the full impact. There was no instamine, I was there.

Anybody else have trouble withdrawing from crypsty? I've been waiting a bit now, updated to latest client, etc. and nothing.

Nope I withdrew recently DRK and BTC and both transactions have gone through without a problem.

I'm positive that only people who missed out on DRK and/or who are mad for not profiting, say it is a scam. :)

DASH

Instamined scam.

ETC

Original Ethereum.

ETHEREUM

Centralized bailout scam.

LTC

Silver to Bitcoin.

XRP

That's not even a cryptocurrency.

Have u heard about Recoin? i purchased 700$ but planning to do more. what do u think about investment like this?

You are an idiot. Stop investing in shit that nobody uses/wants/needs.

[suchmoon]

~ cryptohunter's wall of text ~

You're determined to make as much of a fool of yourself as possible, aren't you?

Quoting one of the most prolific Bitcointalk trolls in an attempt to attack your opponents is not going to prove that your casino is legitimate, it will just show that your judgement is fundamentally flawed.

[efialtis]

Now that´s hilarious, isn´t it?! 

For the record: We are trying to answer all the questions. But there is a user on the forum with the name efialtis, who is using alt accounts (account "lauda" for example). trying to ruin cleobet as much as possible.
And the worst thing is that he was doing this already before he spoke with us. In the reputations talk there are already topics opened from people who are accusing this user lauda (efialtis).
If you suspect a system is fraud, I think it is normal to talk with a representative of it, and trying to get answers from them. Not just post its scam and try to red flag it.

If he had suspicions against cleobet, and he asked us to answer some questions, then he could decide to flag it or not.
But what he did was just trolling, trying to take down cleobet without conversating any.

Of course we can not fight against this kind of fraud, since he is using 6-7 accounts in cleobet related topics, all written in the same style with the same negative words every message.

People have the right to ask questions, criticise, and yes the comparison to 1xbet website is justified from the point of view from the user.
But as we explained, we have rebuilt this website, with less options, less sports and not even a casino.
Do you really think that if we hire the Betb2b platform with tons of sports, we would minimize the sports and disable the Casino?

If people want to ask us questions, please do so and we will try to respond on any.
The situation right now is that we are flagged without any reasons, only because efialtis is using alt accounts who give fraud merits.
The ony thing we from Cleobet really want to know is why efialtis is trying to take us down.

We have no issues or problems with customers, and ony basedon our layout we got flagged.
Sorry for my words, but this is ridiculous.

We will answer all questions, but we will not start the conversation with efialtis or one of his alt accounts, since he shows only disrespect and has no manners.
I am also curious which sportbook has hired him. I read a post that Lauda was hired by an onine casino already, but I will not mention any names here.

[Cleobet]

It is only a matter of time before your alt accounts are attacking me here as well again..
So here we go again..

efialtis with your alt accounts, com in this topic and defend  efialtis and attack cleobet! 
I will count the number of alt accounts.

[AlexSimion]

It is only a matter of time before your alt accounts are attacking me here as well again..
So here we go again..

efialtis with your alt accounts, com in this topic and defend  efialtis and attack cleobet! 
I will count the number of alt accounts.

Maybe instead of practicing your counting skills you should practice answering to the concerns that multiple people pointed out .  And an argument other then "you're an account of efialtis" would be appreciated .

[bullrun2024bro]

I just wanted to point out, that one of the Cleobet shill-accounts created a self-moderated topic in the gambling section to keep promoting their shady betting site:

Cleobet.io betting limits posted by kezian90

I posted this today and my post obviously got deleted by kezian90 (all critical posts have obviously been deleted):



Since the only purpose of such a thread is to trick more inexperienced users into playing at Cleobet, shouldn't the creator of the thread also be tagged? In my opinion it is highly problematic if tagged users just create new accounts to keep promoting their shady websites. What do you guys think? What's the policy on such a behaviour?


User: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2790668
Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238661.0
Archive: http://archive.is/wip/38dzJ

[efialtis]

I just wanted to point out that one of the Cleobet shill-accounts created a self-moderated topic in the gambling section to keep promoting their shady betting site:

Cleobet.io betting limits posted by kezian90

I posted this today and my post obviously got deleted by kezian90:



Since the only purpose of such a thread is to trick more inexperienced users into playing at Cleobet, shouldn't the creator of the thread also be tagged? In my opinion it is highly problematic if tagged users just create new accounts to keep promoting their shady websites. What do you guys think? What's the policy on such a behaviour?


User: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2790668
Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238661.0
Archive: http://archive.is/wip/38dzJ

Well, what a surprise... not!  I also posted in the thread a few minutes ago and my post was deleted almost instantly. Cleobet guys are obviously desperate...

[marlboroza]

@Cleobet, you have made 2 replies, one is about lauda and the other one is about efialtis, these replies are irrelevant but what is relevant here is that you didn't say a word about this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237723.msg54161745#msg54161745, which is subject of this discussion btw. It is very serious scam accusation against your gambling service, and, as you are giving your best to avoid this statement and question, I have no other option than to support this flag.

[acroman08]

@Cleobet, you have made 2 replies, one is about lauda and the other one is about efialtis, these replies are irrelevant but what is relevant here is that you didn't say a word about this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237723.msg54161745#msg54161745, which is subject of this discussion btw. It is very serious scam accusation against your gambling service, and, as you are giving your best to avoid this statement and question, I have no other option than to support this flag.

to be honest, the way their representative handle the situation is similar to how the representative of KawBet handled the accusation to them(I am not saying that they are connected). instead of clearing their name and providing proof, they are attacking the members with valid concerns. I wouldn't be surprised if the gambling site will just die down just like KawBet.

[LTU_btc]

So, @Cleobet, where are you? Did you already gave up after failed attempts to defend your service. Wouldn't be durprised if they are working on a new project which will appear on Bitcointalk soon...

Lauda is a scammer and worker for sure, and contolled by efialtis.
efialtis is controlling other accounts as well. When you are in discussion with him, suddenly 7-8 other accounts are coming in, defending this troll (or it is him or his team).

Damn, @efialtis, you're really powerful here. You're in Bitcointalk for less than a year, but you already control Lauda's account. Tell us secret how you did this?

[efialtis]

So, @Cleobet, where are you? Did you already gave up after failed attempts to defend your service. Wouldn't be durprised if they are working on a new project which will appear on Bitcointalk soon...

Lauda is a scammer and worker for sure, and contolled by efialtis.
efialtis is controlling other accounts as well. When you are in discussion with him, suddenly 7-8 other accounts are coming in, defending this troll (or it is him or his team).

Damn, @efialtis, you're really powerful here. You're in Bitcointalk for less than a year, but you already control Lauda's account. Tell us secret how you did this?

Knew how...

On topic: The way they behaved and the fact they have already "disappeared" says a lot - thats not the way a serious, new business would act when launching their product...