Dizzying levels of doublethink. This one is competing with the Americans for hypocrisy:
It s no secret that for the biggest part of their modern history the entirety of what is today known as Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, all the formerly Yugoslavian nation fragments, sizable parts of Poland, Austria, Czechia and Slovakia, in summary the whole of Balkans and considerable parts of Eastern Europe were under Turkish rule.
A considerable exaggeration; but I am not in the mood to quibble over such details.
If the Ottoman Sultans did not sabotage their own dynasty through extensive fratricide and the later adapted practice of keeping the heir apparent locked in a cage till coronation, chances are pretty high all these lands would still be under Turkish banners today,
“DragonDance” thus builds building his accusation of “racially motivated libel” (quoted below) by expressing Turkish supremacism: Surely, the peoples of all the listed nationalities
belong under Turkish rule!
Alas, the world went awry because the Sultans sabotaged their own dynasty. Those inferior peoples of Europe got away from their true masters, only due to their masters’ own mistakes. Of course, it had nothing to do with the Turks repeatedly being defeated on the battlefield—and as for internal Turkish politics, nothing whatsoever had to do with the Sultan’s centuries-long dependence for his most élite guard on Janissaries of (unwilling, kidnapped) European origin and extraction.
Anyway, many decades ago (
alas), I
had thought we had resolved that problem when, in the early Twentieth Century, the Ottoman Turks were allies of some European nations. And in WWI, at some point, British and Turkish soldiers had their own sort of non-religion-related version version of the Christmas Truce between Germans and British.
Later, the Turks built at ANZAC Cove a monument praising the tragic heroism of the British and ANZAC soldiers whom they had slain at the Battle of Gallipoli. The inscription, a quote of Atatürk, even poetically reassured the mothers of the their fallen enemies:
“Those heroes that shed their blood
and lost their lives...
You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country.
Therefore rest in peace.
There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side
Here in this country of ours...
You, the mothers,
Who sent their sons from far away countries
Wipe away your tears
Your sons are now lying in our bosom
And are in peace.
After having lost their lives on this land they have
Become our sons as well.”
Atatürk 1934
That was a noble touch. Nobler, indeed, than the behaviour of most any government in the world today.
Those Turks, I could respect.
Later, the Australians made the same quote the centrepiece of an Australian monument to Atatürk at Canberra:
Anyway...
If “DragonDance” is what we get a century later, all I can say is that
democracy ruins
everything! The Ottomans were moving in a positive direction for political and cultural understanding with Europe, before they were overthrown. Whatever Atatürk’s thinking may have been, the inevitable result was national degeneration as in all democratic countries: Now, don’t forget that DragonDance, Vispilio, and wolwoo can
vote (!).
Yes, I would prefer to deal with the Sultan—diplomatically if he would be amenable to that, or at arms if not.
(—As Vlad Tepes, if not.) At least the Sultan was not a psychotic retard.
we know for a fact that genetically they are more Turkish now than any of the nominal nationalities mentioned above...
“DragonDance” then proceeds to, in essence, racially insult a large subset of Europeans on the basis that they are allegedly
too Turkish.
[citation needed] Certainly, that makes them oh so genetically inferior to... Turks, I suppose? For my part, I struggle to fathom the recursive doublethink that must have been required to say this.
Or is that a [citation needed] boast that, by implication, deliberately inflates the numbers of European women raped by Turks? Pick your poison.This creates such an extreme butt-hurt amongst some forum members originating from these nation states in question that they are tripping over each other to vent out their centuries deep resentment any time a Turkish member opens a thread in Meta or Reputation.
While this is mildly amusing, we have also seen that it is leading to very unfair consequences in bounty campaigns against the Turks.
While “DragonDance’s” extreme butt-hurt is mildly amusing, it is leading to very unfair consequences in reputational destruction campaigns against decent people.
So just as a fair warning to all future campaign managers, be wary of racially motivated libel and false reports / accusations against members who are famously Turkish on this forum, they will very likely have ulterior motives based on fake nationalistic sentiment
It is so very
fun to see this in a post made with “ulterior motives based on fake nationalistic sentiment”.
DragonDance, you and your cronies are money-grubbing low-life scum, transparently wreathing your obsession with a high-paying signature campaign in the false aura of national pride. Any Turk who is genuinely proud of his nation would not drag its name down to an abyss of lies motivated by raw greed and a beggar’s sense of self-entitlement.
The mere mention of Vlad Tepes got him #triggered, I see. What was that about “extreme butt-hurt”?
Was that a subconscious reference to the direction in which Vlad’s stakes impaled the body? Vlad will teach you the meaning of “extreme butt-hurt”. 
I literally choked on my coffee laughing when I saw this.
What do I need to do to get targeted here?
Oh, and may I please be hit with a Godwin-in-one argument, too?
Would be a waste of gas. You are not worth it.
LOL. That post made wolwoo a candidate for the Godwin Trophy of the year—and I say that as someone who just last month got into a flamewar with someone who drew an analogy between “Hitler, born in Austria, infected almost the whole of Europe”, and “Tyrol, infecting half of Europe with SARS-CoV-2”, quote-unquote, with blame in both cases on the mentality of Germans and Austrians.
Actually, may I please be able to read the forum without fearing infection by viral stupidity? Thanks.
Obviously, “DragonDance” so severely misrepresents historical and current facts throughout his post, it is beneath factually debunking point by point. It is typical of him and his buddies.
