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Hey Winz, I think you have a great smooth website and good customer service, but why have your NBA odds become so shitty since about a week?

You used to offer 1,89/1,89 margins and now they have become 1,80/1,80 making you look severely worse than your competition. For example Wild.io has the same odds provider (and same layout) but they still offer 1,89/1,89 so that means every odd automatically has 10% better odds than you on the same selection. Is this temporary or lasting? Because this will only lead to your customers running away I can assure you. 1,80/1,80 on the biggest basketball league in the world is just unfair to your basketball loving customers.

Hey Winz, are you ignoring this post? Can you still answer it please?

I was gonna check this personally if the low odds is set to your account only since they usually give restrictions to their players but I’m surprised that my account is already suspended while it’s originally just restricted to participate on promotion due to my frequent use of their bonuses and keep winning using it.

Interestingly, I check the sports book without an account login and I notice that they even offer a 1.75/1.75 odds on basketball. This is my first time see an odds that is value as 50/50 chance rate while the odds is so low. House edge is insanely high on their sportsbook.

[GekkeBelg]

Hey Winz, I think you have a great smooth website and good customer service, but why have your NBA odds become so shitty since about a week?

You used to offer 1,89/1,89 margins and now they have become 1,80/1,80 making you look severely worse than your competition. For example Wild.io has the same odds provider (and same layout) but they still offer 1,89/1,89 so that means every odd automatically has 10% better odds than you on the same selection. Is this temporary or lasting? Because this will only lead to your customers running away I can assure you. 1,80/1,80 on the biggest basketball league in the world is just unfair to your basketball loving customers.

Hey Winz, are you ignoring this post? Can you still answer it please?

I was gonna check this personally if the low odds is set to your account only since they usually give restrictions to their players but I’m surprised that my account is already suspended while it’s originally just restricted to participate on promotion due to my frequent use of their bonuses and keep winning using it.

Interestingly, I check the sports book without an account login and I notice that they even offer a 1.75/1.75 odds on basketball. This is my first time see an odds that is value as 50/50 chance rate while the odds is so low. House edge is insanely high on their sportsbook.

Yes, quite honestly this is an insult to their customers. Offering 1,89/1,89 was already not great on NBA but at least it's regular, but 1,75/1,75 like you say on smaller leagues and 1,80/1,80 on NBA is rediculous. If that is all you dare to offer to your customer then you better just not offer sportsbook at all.

[winz.io]

Hey Winz, I think you have a great smooth website and good customer service, but why have your NBA odds become so shitty since about a week?

You used to offer 1,89/1,89 margins and now they have become 1,80/1,80 making you look severely worse than your competition. For example Wild.io has the same odds provider (and same layout) but they still offer 1,89/1,89 so that means every odd automatically has 10% better odds than you on the same selection. Is this temporary or lasting? Because this will only lead to your customers running away I can assure you. 1,80/1,80 on the biggest basketball league in the world is just unfair to your basketball loving customers.

The odds for sporting events depend on many factors, including risk factors and the volume of bets on a particular outcome. Therefore, odds may vary from site to site and over time when bets are being placed. It's important to understand that these variations are natural and reflect the dynamic nature of sports betting markets.

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[Jating]

Hey Winz, I think you have a great smooth website and good customer service, but why have your NBA odds become so shitty since about a week?

You used to offer 1,89/1,89 margins and now they have become 1,80/1,80 making you look severely worse than your competition. For example Wild.io has the same odds provider (and same layout) but they still offer 1,89/1,89 so that means every odd automatically has 10% better odds than you on the same selection. Is this temporary or lasting? Because this will only lead to your customers running away I can assure you. 1,80/1,80 on the biggest basketball league in the world is just unfair to your basketball loving customers.

The odds for sporting events depend on many factors, including risk factors and the volume of bets on a particular outcome. Therefore, odds may vary from site to site and over time when bets are being placed. It's important to understand that these variations are natural and reflect the dynamic nature of sports betting markets.

And I'm not sure about those kind of odds if they have the same provider, I mean if there is a 10% better odds with the same selection, this could be taken advantage and be used for arbitrage?

So it's just wrong to say that they are unfair, just saying.

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[Wingax]

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5502301.msg64301045#msg64301045

[winz.io]

Was told to make rep aware
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5502301.msg64301045#msg64301045

I have sent you a response in that thread.

[jonmaster4]

I just became a new member. I bet some sports and my betting limits are almost gone. I can bet max $20-30 on most of games.i can bet ridiculous amounts even on big games.I did kyc and leave .

[Nrcewker]

I just became a new member. I bet some sports and my betting limits are almost gone. I can bet max $20-30 on most of games.i can bet ridiculous amounts even on big games.I did kyc and leave .

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[laffarista]

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[winz.io]

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We have already addressed your concerns in the thread you created. As mentioned, your account was closed following a thorough investigation that confirmed violations of our Terms and Conditions related to opposite betting practices. This decision was also verified by the game provider, Evolution Gaming.

As previously advised, if you believe the decision was made in error, we encourage you to open a case with a mediation service such as AskGamblers. This will allow us to present all relevant information in a secure environment, ensuring transparency and fairness.

[hopenotlate]

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We have already addressed your concerns in the thread you created. As mentioned, your account was closed following a thorough investigation that confirmed violations of our Terms and Conditions related to opposite betting practices. This decision was also verified by the game provider, Evolution Gaming.

As previously advised, if you believe the decision was made in error, we encourage you to open a case with a mediation service such as AskGamblers. This will allow us to present all relevant information in a secure environment, ensuring transparency and fairness.

Just out of curiosity and for my own knowledge ( not referring and not interested in this case),  what is this "opposite betting practice" you mentioned?
I mean I can guess it when referring to sports betting but as far as I know Evolution gaming offers other kind of stuff liek slots, live games, table games and games shows ( maybe am missing something) : if so I wonder what opposite betting consists of.

[xLays]

We have already addressed your concerns in the thread you created. As mentioned, your account was closed following a thorough investigation that confirmed violations of our Terms and Conditions related to opposite betting practices. This decision was also verified by the game provider, Evolution Gaming.

As previously advised, if you believe the decision was made in error, we encourage you to open a case with a mediation service such as AskGamblers. This will allow us to present all relevant information in a secure environment, ensuring transparency and fairness.

Just out of curiosity and for my own knowledge ( not referring and not interested in this case),  what is this "opposite betting practice" you mentioned?
I mean I can guess it when referring to sports betting but as far as I know Evolution gaming offers other kind of stuff liek slots, live games, table games and games shows ( maybe am missing something) : if so I wonder what opposite betting consists of.

I guess opposite betting practice looks like this: for example, you're playing baccarat provided by Evolution Gaming on both Winz.io and Shuffle.com at the same time. You're placing your bet on the player side on Winz.io and the banker side on Shuffle.com. In this way, you meet the wagering requirements for your deposit without any risk. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But for sure this is close example for opposite betting practice.

[Mahdirakib]

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You have to look into the commission part of banker bet of Baccarat game. If you bet on the banker and win your bet, then 5% of your winnings will be taken away. So, in this way you have to deal with losses always. Why someone will decide to complete the wagering in such game where he/she will lose 5% on each bet? Maybe there is also a different type of opposite betting pattern on Baccarat game.

[xLays]

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You have to look into the commission part of banker bet of Baccarat game. If you bet on the banker and win your bet, then 5% of your winnings will be taken away. So, in this way you have to deal with losses always. Why someone will decide to complete the wagering in such game where he/she will lose 5% on each bet? Maybe there is also a different type of opposite betting pattern on Baccarat game.

I know how baccarat commissions work. Yes, you have to deal with losses if you're not playing with deposit bonuses or wagering bonuses that allow games like baccarat. This opposite betting is particularly used to exploit like first deposit bonuses. Most casinos offer a 100%-300% first deposit bonus, which means if you use this method, you can earn the bonus without losing any amount. I guess you get my point now.

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[GekkeBelg]

Hey Winz, it's your own decision but why is your NBA odds margin the highest I have ever seen on Game Winner market?
I mean, 1,72 vs 1,87 on Minnesota vs Sacramento and 1,93 vs 1,67 on Oklahoma vs Denver, is that really neccessary to have such a high win margin?
0,72 x 0,87 = 0,62  
0,93 x 0,67 = 0.62  meaning you keep 38% of the stakes if you bet on both teams at the same time

Most sportsbooks have 1,90 vs 1,90 on NBA, or at the very least 1,85 vs 1,85 which is considered cautious.
0,9 x 0,9 = 0,81 meaning the book keeps just 19% if you bet on both teams at the same time
0,85 x 0,85 = 0,72 meaning the book keeps 28% if you bet on both teams at the same time.

Ofcourse betting both teams at the same time is stupid and a guarantee to lose some money, but this is just an example to show how much more margin you take away from the players than other sportsbooks do.

I noticed that on other big sports like NFL and MLB you do not take so much margin away. Why the differnce with NBA then?
Are you scared of people betting on it? You don't want any action on NBA?

[winz.io]

Hey Winz, it's your own decision but why is your NBA odds margin the highest I have ever seen on Game Winner market?
I mean, 1,72 vs 1,87 on Minnesota vs Sacramento and 1,93 vs 1,67 on Oklahoma vs Denver, is that really neccessary to have such a high win margin?
0,72 x 0,87 = 0,62  
0,93 x 0,67 = 0.62  meaning you keep 38% of the stakes if you bet on both teams at the same time

Most sportsbooks have 1,90 vs 1,90 on NBA, or at the very least 1,85 vs 1,85 which is considered cautious.
0,9 x 0,9 = 0,81 meaning the book keeps just 19% if you bet on both teams at the same time
0,85 x 0,85 = 0,72 meaning the book keeps 28% if you bet on both teams at the same time.

Ofcourse betting both teams at the same time is stupid and a guarantee to lose some money, but this is just an example to show how much more margin you take away from the players than other sportsbooks do.

I noticed that on other big sports like NFL and MLB you do not take so much margin away. Why the differnce with NBA then?
Are you scared of people betting on it? You don't want any action on NBA?

Thanks for bringing this up! I understand your concerns regarding the NBA odds margins and appreciate your interest in digging deeper into how they’re structured.

Firstly, let’s clarify the formula for calculating the betting margin. It looks like there was a small misunderstanding in your calculation. The correct way to calculate the margin isn’t by multiplying both odds directly. Here’s how it’s done:

The formula: (1/Home Odds) × 100 + (1/Away Odds) × 100 = Betting Margin

So, for your examples:

For Minnesota vs Sacramento with odds of 1.72 and 1.87:
 
(1/1.72) × 100) + (1/1.87) × 100 = 58.14%+53.48% = 111.62%
   
This gives a margin of 11.62%.

For Oklahoma vs Denver with odds of 1.93 and 1.67:

(1/1.93) × 100 + (1/1.67) × 100 = 51.81%+59.88% = 111.69%

Here, the margin is 11.69%.

Now, to answer your question on why the margin differs: Margins can vary between sports, leagues, and even individual games based on a range of factors. The NBA can sometimes have a slightly higher margin due to a combination of higher betting volume and the unpredictable nature of games, where fluctuations in player performance often impact the outcome. This variability sometimes leads to adjustments in the margins, which might differ from more consistent sports.

That said, we’re actively working to make our NBA odds more competitive and appealing. We aim to offer fair value across all markets, and your feedback definitely helps us refine this process.

Thanks again for reaching out, and feel free to drop us any other thoughts or suggestions you have.

[Shishir99]

Thanks again for reaching out, and feel free to drop us any other thoughts or suggestions you have.

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