GAMBLING: Skill-based vs. Chance-based

[Darker45]

I prefer to play skill-based games most of the time, particularly if the plan is primarily to make a little money. There are also times when I am simply bored and don't want to think much about things or perhaps just want to unwind. These are times when I just want to roll the dice.

But I want to point out that even skill-based gambling requires a whole lot of luck also. I have just recently placed several bets with very low odds, playing around 1.50, that all went lost.

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[Clark05]

I also prefer skill based because gambling without strategy and only depending on luck is really boring and it takes away the fun.
Even dice games in casino's there are patterns you could see or some techniques for you to be able to win more but quite risky as well.

We really enjoy both of that because they have person who are don't have enough skills in playing gambling but they still enjoying.
Depends also to the games that you gonna play if you like than game you will enjoy is either needed a skills or base on chance only.

[20kevin20]

I mean, accepting the caveat we both mentioned regarding all gambling having an element of luck, there are definitely some which require skill as well. Poker is the obvious one. Take someone who has never gambled before and a gambler of 40 years' experience and sit them down together at the roulette table, they are equally as likely to win or lose. Now have them play head to head in poker, and you'd obviously be betting on the experienced player. Any sports betting is skilled based - you are using your knowledge of the likely outcomes to influence your bet, as opposed to just picking a winning a team at random.

Sports definitely have an element of luck to them too, some more than others. Everything from whether your star player is injured or unwell and has to miss a game, to whether the ball hits a divot in the grass, could be considered "unlucky".

Well, I guess the conclusion is that everything actually has an element of luck - taking the example from my previous post, "cooking" could also go wrong due to unluckiness if you get injured with a knife or some other tool; driving with a bit of unluckiness could turn into an accident etc. We're basically talking about probabilities of something to happen.

I do agree that Poker may require skill, but that does not necessarily make it a skill-based game (after reading my reply twice, I found out the talk is about games being skill-based, not skill-only as I first thought). I'm not sure, could Poker only end in a win/loss or is there the possibility to end with a tie (draw)? If you can't end with a draw between two players, then take two guys with the approximately same amount of experience and put them head-to-head - couldn't luck come in to influence who the winner gets to be? One of them drawing a very bad hand, for instance. In the ideal situation of both having the exact same experience, luck remains the only thing that truly matters if I'm correct.

[swogerino]

The logic says that we should focus more on the skill games.However the fun of the randomness when playing slot machines and the vain dream we have to hit that jackpot make us to be impacted more from the luck based games.I think here in the forum the majority of gamblers play games of luck.

[imstillthebest]

i have tried skill based gambling before which is mentioned on the first page which was blackjack  .  it was online and my experience was bad because i think i already pick a high number but most of the times the dealer was blackjack or 21  so i still loose  . im started to convince that bj is not a game of skill but its a game of chance or luck based   .  there are also times that if i pick low number i still win because the dealers card pick was over   .  now im only playing dice mainly 

[o_e_l_e_o]

I'm not sure, could Poker only end in a win/loss or is there the possibility to end with a tie (draw)?

You can certainly end a single hand in a tie, if both (or several) plays have the same hand. You can't really end a whole game in a tie though, unless you decide to end early. Games will generally continue until everyone except one player is out of chips.

If you can't end with a draw between two players, then take two guys with the approximately same amount of experience and put them head-to-head - couldn't luck come in to influence who the winner gets to be?

Absolutely. Even the best poker player in the world could lose to an amateur if they were particularly unlucky and the amateur was being dealt full houses every hand.

In the ideal situation of both having the exact same experience, luck remains the only thing that truly matters if I'm correct.

There's far too many variables to just chalk it all up to the same amount of experience, I would think. Decisions on which hands to play, which to fold, how aggressively to play them, how good each player is at bluffing, how good they are at hiding their tells, how good they are at picking up other players' tells, how good the players they are playing against are at picking up their tells, the list goes on.

Every game, sport, competition, exists somewhere on a continuum from 0% skill/100% chance through to 100% skill/0% chance. At the former end you have things like roulette and the lottery, and at the other end things like chess. It would be impossible to quantify "how much" of poker is skill and how much is luck, but I'd say that over time, as the same game with the same players progress through more and more hands, skill plays an ever larger role. A newbie might win a few "lucky" hands, but over time the odds are in the favor of the experienced players.

[Getmon]

i have tried skill based gambling before which is mentioned on the first page which was blackjack  .  it was online and my experience was bad because i think i already pick a high number but most of the times the dealer was blackjack or 21  so i still loose  . im started to convince that bj is not a game of skill but its a game of chance or luck based   .  there are also times that if i pick low number i still win because the dealers card pick was over   .  now im only playing dice mainly 

There is a very little factor in blackjack that is skill-based. The rest is purely chance-based. Your double, split, etc options are there depending on the cards that you got, which are not within your control. I think the basic strategies in blackjack are not really strategies which you analyze in your mind but more of the predictable preferable way depending on the cards on hand.

I love both but I prefer the challenging aspect in skill-based gambling.

[Ryker1]

Well, skill-based and chance-based are the same they are both gambling and they will never guarantee to win to anyone. Obviously, there is the difference between the two but they are still a game of luck wherein you may be skilled enough because of your experience in playing a particular game but at the end of the day you may still lose for it is not your lucky day, --same as what we normally say every time we lose at the end of our daily gambling life.
Indeed, strategies are the skill that makes us feel we are already knowledgeable about the game and make us think we have more chances of winning but other players also have so chances are we may still win or lose and we will still hold on our luck. With these two options, it may still be more challenging if we will play the one where we can use our knowledge and have the chance of applying all the strategies that we have at least we still fight for our luck instead of waiting for our luck to be on our side and that is playing skill-based gambling.

[GDragon]

Nice thread buddy, skill-based and chance-based are both equal for me, I played on both ways depends on my current mood, if I feel okay and feel fresh I will play skill-based gambling because I can focus and think wisely on betting or gambling, lately, I am lack of sleep because of insomnia so I always feel tired and irritated that is why I often play chance-based gambling because I don't need to think more, I just only need to bet what I want.

But honestly, skill-based is what we should choose in both ways because it is great to use our mind while playing, do not make our thinking passive, always use it.

This is what I do too! If the money I used to bet is kind of a big money, I will choose to bet on games that I can use my skill with it, there's more chance of winning, its entertaining for me to think critically while gambling too. Sometimes I gamble too because I wanted to try my skills in a certain game.

Then there are days that my mind is just floating and I just needed something to do, then I play chance-based gambling. Its kind of entertaining even with less thinking going on in the process. I usually play this before going to sleep.

[aioc]

Chanced based games gives me a lot of excitement for some reason because you are against a system you know that there is a house edge but you prefer to continue to see if luck is in your side at this time, skill-based is also good, but if you are playing with players who knows how to read your face and reaction and you do not know how to interpret your opponents moves you are in trouble.

[bittraffic]

Chanced based games gives me a lot of excitement for some reason because you are against a system you know that there is a house edge but you prefer to continue to see if luck is in your side at this time, skill-based is also good, but if you are playing with players who knows how to read your face and reaction and you do not know how to interpret your opponents moves you are in trouble.

Yep, You're doomed if you find yourself in a table of pros.

Poker is a skill-based game. If you ever tried this without playing offline you'd be the first to run back to dice platform crying for your loss.  The guys playing this game has deep pockets that can take a loss of more than $5k and will be back again to play for another $5k without folding.  Bacarrat seems easy and you don't have to lose a hundred or thousand playing this one.

[Gyfts]

I don't think Blackjack is a skill-based game.

It depends. All gambling has an element of luck to it. Blackjack may or may not have an element of skill to it too, depending on how and where you play it.

Blackjack in a physical casino may be skilled based. There is a basic strategy for blackjack which tells you the best action to take (hit, stand, double, split) for every combination of cards in your hand, plus the dealer's face up card. If you are playing in a physical casino, then you need to memorize that to keep the house edge to a minimum. The only way to swing the house edge in your favor is by using techniques such as card counting or shuffle tracking, although shuffle tracking is more or less impossible now due to automatically shuffling machines. Memorizing the basic strategy and card counting are definitely skill based.

If you are playing online, as is being discussed here, then provided you follow the basic strategy (which is trivial to do and not skill based at all since you can just have it open in a second window), then it is entirely luck based, as you say. Online casinos can shuffle the cards after every hand instantly, making card counting impossible.

Some blackjack tables in land based casinos will let you have a basic strategy card that you can pull out and reference. Basic strategy is so well known at this point that casinos know it makes no difference if they prohibit them from using a reference card. Players can easily memorize the chart off the tables then hit the tables. Much of basic strategy is based on intuition anyways (ie doubling a 10 or 11, hitting certain cards against a dealer's 9, 10, or ace).  

Still, counting cards still requires luck. You're shifting the house edge in your favor a bit where over time you have a greater chance of being up money. But it still comes down to bank roll management because when the count is in your favor, you need to make decisions on how much to raise your bet. And that's usually relative to your bank roll and it's also the the time where you usually get caught and thrown out for counting. Online counting is impossible because of the deck penetration the casinos use, not necessarily the shuffling. They cut the shoe in a way that makes counting inefficient.  

[bitcoin-shark]

personally i do not consider myself, in fact i know i'm not lucky that's why i prefer to play skill based games where the skill and experience of the single player can make the difference between winning and losing, my favorites games are classic poker and black jack, i don't like to entrust all my chances of winning just to luck

[Casdinyard]

I prefer to play skill-based games most of the time, particularly if the plan is primarily to make a little money. There are also times when I am simply bored and don't want to think much about things or perhaps just want to unwind. These are times when I just want to roll the dice.

But I want to point out that even skill-based gambling requires a whole lot of luck also. I have just recently placed several bets with very low odds, playing around 1.50, that all went lost.

I play poker more often, basically it is a skill-based game but I do love also the fortune games like dice. Admit it, you are not always on top of your game when playing skill based games, there are days that it seems to be tiring but you don't have any thing to do with so you'll just gamble but it tends to be a losing day really that's why I play chances game sometimes, to be honest it is more entertaining and fun than skill based games. Nothings serious, just pure fun.

[Bezobraznike]

Chanced based games gives me a lot of excitement for some reason because you are against a system you know that there is a house edge but you prefer to continue to see if luck is in your side at this time, skill-based is also good, but if you are playing with players who knows how to read your face and reaction and you do not know how to interpret your opponents moves you are in trouble.

   I like to bet on sports, but the games I like to bet on are canceled! This pandemic turned me to chance-based
games, and I agree with you Aioc, there's a lot of excitement while I play this games. Even I bet with minimal bets
and I don't win a lot, nor I lose much, I enjoy playing crash game and dice game!
   When sports events start again I will go back to sports betting, but for sure I will play chance-based games
when I have time and money to spare!

[MFahad]

I prefer to play skill-based games most of the time, particularly if the plan is primarily to make a little money. There are also times when I am simply bored and don't want to think much about things or perhaps just want to unwind. These are times when I just want to roll the dice.

But I want to point out that even skill-based gambling requires a whole lot of luck also. I have just recently placed several bets with very low odds, playing around 1.50, that all went lost.

Many people think that gambling based games are luck based only which is wrong sometimes. If you are an old gambler, you know when to stop, when to play, how to control over the emotions , not to become addicted etc. These things should be counted under the skills of gambling and if you have these skills your chances of wining in gambling are bright.

[onrise]

I also prefer skill based because gambling without strategy and only depending on luck is really boring and it takes away the fun.
Even dice games in casino's there are patterns you could see or some techniques for you to be able to win more but quite risky as well.

We really enjoy both of that because they have person who are don't have enough skills in playing gambling but they still enjoying.
Depends also to the games that you gonna play if you like than game you will enjoy is either needed a skills or base on chance only.

Not everyone can master the game as it an art to play like poker or other card games which involves lot of skill to be on top of the game which cannot be everyone’s game as well. So in Such scenarios people prefer luck based games which can help them to win or they play to enjoy their time .

[el kaka22]

Depends on my preferences on a particular day, sometimes I want to socialize a bit more, I would want to just chat with people, talk with them, play against them and all around I want to play skill based because I feel like I want to "play" it basically. But, when I just want to spend some time without thinking much and just want to waste the time, I play the chance based. Just open a dice game, spend 3-4 hours on it, and go to sleep.

Basically for me dice gaming is just something I do when I should be sleeping but I can't and so I am spending some time there until I get more sleepy. Thankfully I have some self control and I have minimum amount like 50 bucks at most on a place and never deposit, so even if I get too sleepy and lose it all that's fine. These are the reasons why sometimes I want to play one sometimes and the other sometimes.

[cabron]

Depends on my preferences on a particular day, sometimes I want to socialize a bit more, I would want to just chat with people, talk with them, play against them and all around I want to play skill based because I feel like I want to "play" it basically. But, when I just want to spend some time without thinking much and just want to waste the time, I play the chance based. Just open a dice game, spend 3-4 hours on it, and go to sleep.

Basically for me dice gaming is just something I do when I should be sleeping but I can't and so I am spending some time there until I get more sleepy. Thankfully I have some self control and I have minimum amount like 50 bucks at most on a place and never deposit, so even if I get too sleepy and lose it all that's fine. These are the reasons why sometimes I want to play one sometimes and the other sometimes.

There are patterns to watch for a strategy in dice. They've come up with a strategy for a player to overcome bad luck. Although its not really that going to make a difference if you just keep playing while you wanna sleep but shouldn't you be just doing Autobet for maybe luck can give you more?

[adzino]

As we are now under community quarantine because of this pandemic virus, we tend to play online games to lessen the boredom we feel at our home, so I wanna know your preference on choosing what gamble to play.

There are two types of gambling for me, the skill-based and the chance-based.
1. Skill-based - these are gambling that requires our skills and techniques for us to win, such as playing poker, betting on races, and playing blackjack but the odds of winning are still different for people and it is always in favor of the owner of the gambling.
2. Chance-based - these are gambling that you will only wait for the result, you don't need to do something or to think so deep for you to win because all of you have an equal chance of winning such as roulette, lottery, and other gaming machine.
For me, I will choose the skill-based gambling because I am not hoping for the luck of life, I want to make action to make my life great. It still better to to think logically and analytically at any time.

But if you are only a beginner, I think the chance-baded gsmbling would be duitable for you, but do not stick only on that, you should improve yourself, acquire skills and knowledge through experience so you will be able to play skill baesed gambling soon.

No matter how much you say "skill based" games depends on luck, in the end, luck is what that matters. No matter how much skilled you are, you still might get crushed by a "lucky" user anytime. Think about poker. You played you games analytically. According to your analysis, say the chance of the opponent to get a better hand than you is like 0.1% (assuming those numbers). You might think that you won the game and go all in according to your analysis, but if you are unlucky, the opponent might win it.