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June 16, 2020, 03:34:04 AM
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This new season will be different, and if there is no audience at the stadium, that is for people safety from the virus so that they can watch the games at their home. For people themselves, they will feel different to watch the game at their home, but they could still yelling like what they do at the stadium.
So instead of them going to stadiums and risking themselves, it is good for them to watch in their home as an alternative. This means that the effects might be little for the audience but for the teams, I don't think they could play the same way especially if they already have the home-court advantage, without cheerings and applauses, they might feel demotivated.

The player will need to stay focus on the game and try to give the best play that they can do to the audience at home. Before the vaccine can discover, the staff and the player at the stadium can use some protocols to protect them up from the virus.

But for contact sports such as basketball and football, the best way to make sure that the spread of virus is low, they need to swab test every players and make sure their temperatures are fine.
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June 16, 2020, 03:55:07 AM
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Now that they suspended live audiences except for the necessary people to attend. the players will play differently as they've never seen before. As the new season is approaching, I'm sure they can adapt to it after days of playing. lucky those who managed to reach this kind of game, although this is not the usual games we see each day, they will give their very best to the expectations of the viewers inside their home. Lastly, if the vaccine will be discovered later this year, everything will be back to normal again.

This new season will be different, and if there is no audience at the stadium, that is for people safety from the virus so that they can watch the games at their home. For people themselves, they will feel different to watch the game at their home, but they could still yelling like what they do at the stadium. The player will need to stay focus on the game and try to give the best play that they can do to the audience at home. Before the vaccine can discover, the staff and the player at the stadium can use some protocols to protect them up from the virus.
We wont really have any choice but to embrace that new normal.We might look to odd on yelling while we do watch but its is much better than to hold back on what you have felt towards the game.

We might not on the actual situation but at least we do still enjoy on the sports we are looking on.In talks of home court advantage then for players side this will give an

another feeling that they havent faced before.They get used to play when theres crowd but now theres none then theres no one to cheer up which do somewhat give out some boost
into their plays.

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June 16, 2020, 08:22:00 AM
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The better team will always win, home court advantage is not a factor anymore but prior to the pandemic it was a big factor that is why if different teams which are both good, the team that are playing in their home court will always be the favorites, that tells home court adds value to their chances of winning.

Which is correct, it's very usual that better team do win even they are not playing inside their homecourt, the only thing that fans helps is to boost the weaker homecourt team to play more harder.

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As a player you can feel and experience it, so how much more in a major sports that a lot of fans attended in the venue rooting for the home team to win.
While playing at the home, it will increase their motivation to win, but as what I have said, now it's not a factor anymore.

Though chances still small but there's always chance to win especially if you are really keen to show to your fans that you are really giving them
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June 16, 2020, 10:09:40 AM
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Soccer (2018–19 Premier League)
Home team won 181 matches (47%)
Away team won 128 matches (34%)
It seems there is an issue with those figures, you forgot to give the draw rate.
The topic is very interesting nonetheless, you're right, odds will be(must be) affected by this criterion, and bettors have to be aware about that.

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June 16, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
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Soccer (2018–19 Premier League)
Home team won 181 matches (47%)
Away team won 128 matches (34%)
It seems there is an issue with those figures, you forgot to give the draw rate.
The topic is very interesting nonetheless, you're right, odds will be(must be) affected by this criterion, and bettors have to be aware about that.

The draws should just be the remaining numbers, i.e. 19% . Or am I missing something?

I don't think it's only the audience being the criterion for higher winnings on your home court. The players just feel more comfortable in their own environment, they know the stadiums, it's their usual locker rooms and they don't have to travel so far and sleeping in their own beds. I believe that even without the crowds present and cheering the home team should be winning more than during away games.
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June 16, 2020, 08:31:52 PM
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The time needed for the accurate results of COVID 19 takes more than 19 hours with the current technology we have and also cost for each test will be more than $100 so literally it is not possible.We can check them via thermal scanner which is fast but nowadays 90% of corona positive patients are asymptomatic so people can pass the thermal tests but can be a cause for the clusters.
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We don't know who is the asymptomatic people which contain Covid-19 which visiting the stadium because the result can't come out fast. Perhaps, the promoter needs another way to prevent from the asymptomatic people because they don't want to miss that. Or the worst decision will be the game will no live audience.
Some asymptomatic people have indications by hand and foot fingers like a red rash and swollen, almost like frostbite. Maybe the promoter also checking beside the temperature of the audience. it's just Another possibility to avoid new cluster on stadium. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/health/coronavirus-covid-toe.html

These kind of symptoms not happens with everyone so we can't use this as effective method to find asymptomatic patients.All we can do is to just play with no one or stop the games until there is a cure and perfect medicine for this.

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June 16, 2020, 09:32:11 PM
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Now that they suspended live audiences except for the necessary people to attend. the players will play differently as they've never seen before. As the new season is approaching, I'm sure they can adapt to it after days of playing. lucky those who managed to reach this kind of game, although this is not the usual games we see each day, they will give their very best to the expectations of the viewers inside their home. Lastly, if the vaccine will be discovered later this year, everything will be back to normal again.

This new season will be different, and if there is no audience at the stadium, that is for people safety from the virus so that they can watch the games at their home. For people themselves, they will feel different to watch the game at their home, but they could still yelling like what they do at the stadium. The player will need to stay focus on the game and try to give the best play that they can do to the audience at home. Before the vaccine can discover, the staff and the player at the stadium can use some protocols to protect them up from the virus.
^ So, analytically speaking home court has an advantage and it does not matter on the audience. No live audience is really different but I think at that time players can focus on the match without worrying noise from the fans who were yelling at the stadium. How about those players yelling too in front of the audience after the dunk shot? Can they still yell on that even without an audience?
Nevertheless, there are too many changes after this new normal has been implemented and we have nothing to do is to adopt this than we will infected the virus and the transmission will quickly spread.
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June 16, 2020, 11:16:32 PM
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No live audience is really different but I think at that time players can focus on the match without worrying noise from the fans who were yelling at the stadium.

Well for the home team, they can focus on the game even with that noise from fans. That's where their energy came from. Now with no-audience, I believed these players can still focus on their game as that's their profession. They are playing the game for several years and they are used to it so even with or without an audience, nothing will change to their performance. It's just that audience impact contributes to the winning factor but not actually a big deal. Surely, they will be used in that format as the game progress.

How about those players yelling too in front of the audience after the dunk shot? Can they still yell on that even without an audience?

That only happened if the team is on "Away" so not a big deal.

And besides, it's not always the case as the dunker yells on the player who tries to contest or defended him while he attempts to dunk, not on the audience.

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June 16, 2020, 11:39:56 PM
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Crowds or audiences really make a difference sometimes, without it, you can't feel the excitement and pressure. But still, I guess there is a little advantage if you are being used to the court where you practice. This audience screams, cheers, or what, it won't work in some teams or players, they are trained physically and emotionally.
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June 17, 2020, 02:36:40 AM
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So instead of them going to stadiums and risking themselves, it is good for them to watch in their home as an alternative. This means that the effects might be little for the audience but for the teams, I don't think they could play the same way especially if they already have the home-court advantage, without cheerings and applauses, they might feel demotivated.

The teams need to adapt to the current conditions, and they should keep motivated to give their best performance to the audience who watch them play. Their audience will know that their teams are trying hard to do that, and I am sure that the audience will give the best feedback for their teams.

~snip~

But for contact sports such as basketball and football, the best way to make sure that the spread of the virus is low, they need to swab test every player and make sure their temperatures are fine.

The swab test must be done before the match start, so the staff will make sure that everything is clean and under control. After they do that, the match can start without worry about the virus. I am sure the staff will do everything to clean out the field, the players, and all of the teams, including the staff itself to prevent the virus.

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We wont really have any choice but to embrace that new normal.We might look to odd on yelling while we do watch but its is much better than to hold back on what you have felt towards the game.

We might not on the actual situation but at least we do still enjoy on the sports we are looking on.In talks of home court advantage then for players side this will give another feeling that they havent faced before.They get used to play when theres crowd but now theres none then theres no one to cheer up which do somewhat give out some boost
into their plays.

We can still yell at our home with the other family member to support our teams, but yes, that will feels different than if we watch in the field.

Without home court, we will see pure skills from each team without any support from the audience. If each team can give their best performance, that will be another benefit because I am sure that the audience will be satisfied with watching them at home.

~snip~
^ So, analytically speaking home court has an advantage and it does not matter on the audience. No live audience is really different but I think at that time players can focus on the match without worrying noise from the fans who were yelling at the stadium. How about those players yelling too in front of the audience after the dunk shot? Can they still yell on that even without an audience?
Nevertheless, there are too many changes after this new normal has been implemented and we have nothing to do is to adopt this than we will infected the virus and the transmission will quickly spread.

With the focus, I am sure that they will be able to play without heart feeling or afraid if they lose because they will play all out until the match finish, and they will give their best performance. Perhaps, they can still hear the yelling from the other players who sit down at the bench. I am sure that someday we will have the time to get the normal match, and we will see the audience sit down at the stadium and watch their teams play.
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June 17, 2020, 02:54:25 AM
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Crowds or audiences really make a difference sometimes, without it, you can't feel the excitement and pressure. But still, I guess there is a little advantage if you are being used to the court where you practice. This audience screams, cheers, or what, it won't work in some teams or players, they are trained physically and emotionally.

Yeah the feeling of having too many people supporting you is always been a best thing home court advantage brings us but now that it is not allowed i'm sure there will always be changes in the players performances.
Hope that this will come back soon and the momentum will always push towards the owner of the court.
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Crowds or audiences really make a difference sometimes, without it, you can't feel the excitement and pressure. But still, I guess there is a little advantage if you are being used to the court where you practice. This audience screams, cheers, or what, it won't work in some teams or players, they are trained physically and emotionally.

Yeah the feeling of having too many people supporting you is always been a best thing home court advantage brings us but now that it is not allowed i'm sure there will always be changes in the players performances.
Hope that this will come back soon and the momentum will always push towards the owner of the court.

Let's get real here, we will not see a home court advantage soon as vaccine is not expected this year and that's the only solution for people to go out without a fear, right now, the government through their designated agencies are watching the sports events and they will ensure that they are complying with the protocol especially on the no crowd policy, so we are going to witness more games with no home court advantage.
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Crowds or audiences really make a difference sometimes, without it, you can't feel the excitement and pressure. But still, I guess there is a little advantage if you are being used to the court where you practice. This audience screams, cheers, or what, it won't work in some teams or players, they are trained physically and emotionally.

Yeah the feeling of having too many people supporting you is always been a best thing home court advantage brings us but now that it is not allowed i'm sure there will always be changes in the players performances.
Hope that this will come back soon and the momentum will always push towards the owner of the court.

Let's get real here, we will not see a home court advantage soon as vaccine is not expected this year and that's the only solution for people to go out without a fear, right now, the government through their designated agencies are watching the sports events and they will ensure that they are complying with the protocol especially on the no crowd policy, so we are going to witness more games with no home court advantage.
This is the new normal and we should deal with it as an audience.These organizations would really need to comply with the rules for them to be able to resume out.
Home court advantage cant really be seen now and i do agree that audience do really give some impact towards teams victory or performance.
I have seen boxing events that has no crowd and i can really tell the difference and how much more on a stadium on where basketball players do play
without any crowd noise? Its different but we do need to deal with it.

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June 18, 2020, 10:05:45 AM
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Crowds or audiences really make a difference sometimes, without it, you can't feel the excitement and pressure. But still, I guess there is a little advantage if you are being used to the court where you practice. This audience screams, cheers, or what, it won't work in some teams or players, they are trained physically and emotionally.
Athletes get buffs from it.

But it's not like what we're thinking most of the time. In basketball, whenever the teams that we like are playing onto their home court. We feel that it's almost a sure win to them but it's not happening sometimes.



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June 18, 2020, 10:24:48 AM
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Home-court advantage now has no advantage anymore. Now all sports with no live audience have difficulty winning matches at home.
Like the match results data in the opening post if playing home the winning percentage can be higher. Because the influence of live
audiences can create pressure on the teams that play away. But now the football match that took place, this week several teams that
played home suffered defeat, this has proven the importance of the live audience.

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June 18, 2020, 10:55:14 AM
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Soccer (2018–19 Premier League)
Home team won 181 matches (47%)
Away team won 128 matches (34%)
It seems there is an issue with those figures, you forgot to give the draw rate.
With the percentages mentioned on the side we can confirm it's 19%. I guess it's because of how the point distribution works, some teams don't mind ending with a draw as long as they maintain their top spot.

Home-court advantage now has no advantage anymore. Now all sports with no live audience have difficulty winning matches at home.
Like the match results data in the opening post if playing home the winning percentage can be higher. Because the influence of live
audiences can create pressure on the teams that play away. But now the football match that took place, this week several teams that
played home suffered defeat, this has proven the importance of the live audience.
It's true that on the german league we see a lot of away teams winning more than usual but I don't think that's enough to say that overall away teams have better chances now than before because there are other factors that could still affect the match.

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Crowds or audiences really make a difference sometimes, without it, you can't feel the excitement and pressure. But still, I guess there is a little advantage if you are being used to the court where you practice. This audience screams, cheers, or what, it won't work in some teams or players, they are trained physically and emotionally.
Athletes get buffs from it.

But it's not like what we're thinking most of the time. In basketball, whenever the teams that we like are playing onto their home court. We feel that it's almost a sure win to them but it's not happening sometimes.
Playing within your own court really has an advantage but it doesn't mean that you will win automatically. Base on the statistics at the above part, 71% of the time home team wins and 29% of the time away wins.

Either way, players are adopted to a court where there are lots of people watching them play. Now they will adopt to a new normal where there are no audiences watching them. This will took a long time adopting the environment since they are playing with lots of audiences but now its the exact opposite of it. Right now with what is happening in the US, I don't know if most of them are ready to play inside the court already.

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June 18, 2020, 11:47:46 AM
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Crowds or audiences really make a difference sometimes, without it, you can't feel the excitement and pressure. But still, I guess there is a little advantage if you are being used to the court where you practice. This audience screams, cheers, or what, it won't work in some teams or players, they are trained physically and emotionally.

Yeah the feeling of having too many people supporting you is always been a best thing home court advantage brings us but now that it is not allowed i'm sure there will always be changes in the players performances.
Hope that this will come back soon and the momentum will always push towards the owner of the court.

Let's get real here, we will not see a home court advantage soon as vaccine is not expected this year and that's the only solution for people to go out without a fear, right now, the government through their designated agencies are watching the sports events and they will ensure that they are complying with the protocol especially on the no crowd policy, so we are going to witness more games with no home court advantage.
This is the new normal and we should deal with it as an audience.These organizations would really need to comply with the rules for them to be able to resume out.
Home court advantage cant really be seen now and i do agree that audience do really give some impact towards teams victory or performance.
I have seen boxing events that has no crowd and i can really tell the difference and how much more on a stadium on where basketball players do play
without any crowd noise? Its different but we do need to deal with it.


It will be no matter if players will be focus on the goals but I think the game will be more different since there's no crazy crowds will clap or curse them for their playing style at that time so provably this will be equal, But although that would be the angle of plays still for sure the court familiarity will still show up since for sure you will get used to it when you are playing on your home court.

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June 18, 2020, 12:01:17 PM
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Crowds or audiences really make a difference sometimes, without it, you can't feel the excitement and pressure. But still, I guess there is a little advantage if you are being used to the court where you practice. This audience screams, cheers, or what, it won't work in some teams or players, they are trained physically and emotionally.
Athletes get buffs from it.

But it's not like what we're thinking most of the time. In basketball, whenever the teams that we like are playing onto their home court. We feel that it's almost a sure win to them but it's not happening sometimes.
Playing within your own court really has an advantage but it doesn't mean that you will win automatically. Base on the statistics at the above part, 71% of the time home team wins and 29% of the time away wins.

Either way, players are adopted to a court where there are lots of people watching them play. Now they will adopt to a new normal where there are no audiences watching them. This will took a long time adopting the environment since they are playing with lots of audiences but now its the exact opposite of it. Right now with what is happening in the US, I don't know if most of them are ready to play inside the court already.

Some say that there is no sense in playing sports without audience. I agree with that because what's the point if there is no crowd on stadiums, no fans, no cheering. That is what is sport all about and not results or money.
To be honest I don't like that new normal and I beleive that  it will take a long time to get used to it, if that ever happens.

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June 18, 2020, 12:04:35 PM
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It will be no matter if players will be focus on the goals but I think the game will be more different since there's no crazy crowds will clap or curse them for their playing style at that time so provably this will be equal, But although that would be the angle of plays still for sure the court familiarity will still show up since for sure you will get used to it when you are playing on your home court.

It will be equal, yes.. no other factor involve here and they are just playing in one venue.
That's why I've been longing for NBA to resume because I like to see them back in full action with no home court this playoffs.
it's a different playoffs and as a gambler, it's not hard to cap games as I don't need to analyze the home court advantage anymore.
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