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July 04, 2025, 09:34:40 AM
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I am not buying that: I don't like Strategy trading 3 times the NAV, i cannot think about a shitcoin treasury trrading 7x NAV.


Strategy is currently trading at 1.92 mNAV. See www.strategy.com

Do you like magnificient 7 companies trading at 25 to 30 p/e ratio? They are the most profitable companies in the world.

The stock market is very much based on expectations. It does me no good if price of a stock is $2 according to a snapshot when revenue and cash flow have been declining over the last few years. Conversely, if people pay high multipliers, either p/e or mNAV, it is because of what they expect or anticipate the company will do in the future.

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July 04, 2025, 10:52:33 AM
Merited by LFC_Bitcoin (3), JayJuanGee (1)
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Pantera capital published a nice screenshot of a few of the companies that put strategic reserves in place:



It's interesting how many of them are trading at incredible premiums to NAV.
I bet there will be a lot of consolidations in the future.

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July 05, 2025, 04:55:09 AM
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It's interesting how many of them are trading at incredible premiums to NAV.
I bet there will be a lot of consolidations in the future.

There is nothing incredible there. I explained it to you in my previous comment.

What's so incredible about Metaplanet being at mNAV 5 when it has gone from having 4,000 bitcoins to 13,000 in the last 3 months? Whoever buys at mNAV 5 will surely be in profit in bitcoin exposure in less than 6 months at this rate.

I repeat: you are looking at a still photo instead of looking at the evolution, the projection.

That's without taking into account what you can do when you have those bitcoins, such as the whole range of products Strategy is bringing out, whose current mNAV is a bargain.

Surely you would value Rockefeller's companies only for the oil they had, and not for everything they could do with it.


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July 05, 2025, 05:45:08 PM
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It's interesting how many of them are trading at incredible premiums to NAV.
I bet there will be a lot of consolidations in the future.

There is nothing incredible there. I explained it to you in my previous comment.

What's so incredible about Metaplanet being at mNAV 5 when it has gone from having 4,000 bitcoins to 13,000 in the last 3 months? Whoever buys at mNAV 5 will surely be in profit in bitcoin exposure in less than 6 months at this rate.



Do you think the 1,050% BTC yield Metaplanet is achieving is sustainable in the long run?  I understand the mNAV Days to Cover is quite low, but is this a reliable metric for an investment?

Do you think this is a sensible way to get exposure to Bitcoin?

Maybe I am wrong, but this is a very speculative way (no moral judgment in this definition) to increase exposure to Bitcoin.

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July 06, 2025, 04:18:09 AM
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Do you think the 1,050% BTC yield Metaplanet is achieving is sustainable in the long run? 

By pure mathematics, the yield will be decreasing, as the more bitcoin a company has, the more difficult it will be to multiply it.

I understand the mNAV Days to Cover is quite low, but is this a reliable metric for an investment?

These are the new metrics, yes, the mNAV, the btc Torque, or the btc per share.

Do you think this is a sensible way to get exposure to Bitcoin?

I don't know if you are referring to companies or individuals, for companies of course, for individuals only to complement the bitcoin holdings you manage with your private keys.

Maybe I am wrong, but this is a very speculative way (no moral judgment in this definition) to increase exposure to Bitcoin.

I do think there is a moral judgement behind it. Most people believe that speculation is bad when in fact it is what makes the world change for the better. It is speculation that makes supermarkets full of food when hunger has been a widespread problem in humanity until just under a century ago. Bitcoin would be nothing without speculation, or the skyscrapers of New York, or the mobile phone in your pocket.

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Michael Saylor tweeted from his official X page that holding Bitcoin for a few weeks is necessary. His official post suggests that he will buy new Bitcoins this week and will most likely reach his desired figure of 600k. His total Bitcoin holdings are 597,325 and he is just a few Bitcoins away from reaching his desired figure of 600k.



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These are the new metrics, yes, the mNAV, the btc Torque, or the btc per share.
Filli posted a chart on some of the metrics
Here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5539492.msg65497325#msg65497325
Like can be seen, none is absolute they have both their strengths and lapses and depends on what we measuring.

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Most people believe that speculation is bad when in fact it is what makes the world change for the better
I wouldn't deny the benefit of speculation but what they are pushing is just Price speculation. 
The 2008 financial crisis stemmed from speculative over leveraging in housing markets
Which created a market bubble.
Unchecked speculation can cause crisis especially one that's hinging on price increment alone.

His official post suggests that he will buy new Bitcoins this week and will most likely reach his desired figure of 600k. His total Bitcoin holdings are 597,325 and he is just a few Bitcoins away from reaching his desired figure of 600k.
600K isn't his desired figure, there's no public statement on a number he would reach that he would stop buying.
600K is no where near his target

We have talked about this here before


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July 06, 2025, 01:13:09 PM
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These are the new metrics, yes, the mNAV, the btc Torque, or the btc per share.
Filli posted a chart on some of the metrics
Here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5539492.msg65497325#msg65497325
Like can be seen, none is absolute they have both their strengths and lapses and depends on what we measuring.

The same goes for the classic parameters for investing in the stock market, such as P/E, PEG or ROE, none of which is absolute.

I wouldn't deny the benefit of speculation but what they are pushing is just Price speculation. 

Here you separate something that is not separate. He who speculates speculates for profit.

The 2008 financial crisis stemmed from speculative over leveraging in housing markets
Which created a market bubble.
Unchecked speculation can cause crisis especially one that's hinging on price increment alone.

It seems to me that you are agreeing with Peter Schiff. If the speculation going on with companies buying bitcoin is bad and is something similar to what happened in the 2008 crisis I don't see why you apply the same argument to bitcoin, that people are buying to get rich.

On a debt basis you can't apply that argument, as Strategy is financing its bitcoin purchases primarily by selling stock, which is a move that will be studied in economics and finance textbooks for decades if not centuries to come. Strategy's debt as of today on its NAV is 13%, which is like a joke if you are trying to imply that this is similar to the 2008 crisis.

That people like you don't understand the turnaround makes me realize that it is still too early and therefore I will make another MSTR purchase shortly. Profit is made by buying when people don't understand what's going on, or laugh at you or say it's a bubble, things like that. Like buying bitcoin in 2010, where if you bought you better not tell anyone or they were going to consider you a crazy person, that you had fallen into a scam, a ponzi scheme, that you were speculating (in a bad way) etc.

In the case of fillippone I remember that he said that he shorted MSTR and it went wrong, but at the time I thought he understood the conceptual shift that meant putting bitcoin as a business model reference and its concepts. But as far as I see it has not been like that.

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It seems to me that you are agreeing with Peter Schiff. If the speculation going on with companies buying
No. I'm not associating it with Bitcoin nor other investment.
What I'm saying is despite how future oriented and innovation speculation could promote
It isn't all rosy especially if left unchecked and only surrounding pushing price.

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Profit is made by buying when people don't understand what's going on, or laugh at you or say it's a bubble
Again like I said above. I was trying to show the fact that speculation needs substance.
I'm not calling MSTR a bubble since they are backed by Bitcoin nor am I calling Bitcoin a bubble
That would be naive and ignorant of me.

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Michael Saylor tweeted from his official X page that holding Bitcoin for a few weeks is necessary. His official post suggests that he will buy new Bitcoins this week and will most likely reach his desired figure of 600k. His total Bitcoin holdings are 597,325 and he is just a few Bitcoins away from reaching his desired figure of 600k.



lMichael Saylor

Do you interpret this as a big buy announcement incoming tomorrow or is Strategy laying off the Bitcoin accumulation after adding $500M last week?

https://x.com/BitcoinNewsCom/status/1941838850067779893?t=Q8wjVe4azYWyMM9av6F5mA&s=19
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Do you interpret this as a big buy announcement incoming tomorrow or is Strategy laying off the Bitcoin accumulation after adding $500M last week?
https://x.com/BitcoinNewsCom/status/1941838850067779893?t=Q8wjVe4azYWyMM9av6F5mA&s=19

The words he uses as he releases this image every week are certainly interesting, and a stronger signal to buy Bitcoin. MSTR Company Bitcoin Holdings will cross $6000000 We can see the update of his Bitcoin buying plan here at www saylortracker.com. With the significant increase in STRK and STRF they have a lot of cash, it has become much easier for them to buy Bitcoin, just have to wait for time.
You will do this forever You are brave, you have wisdom, that is why Microstrategy Company is the best in the world for Bitcoin holdings They have the highest Bitcoin holdings. You are brave Bitcoin holder You are the best human.

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Strategy Reports $14 Billion in Total Bitcoin Fair Value Appreciation in Q2 2025
Details: https://www.strategy.com/press/strategy-reports-14-billion-in-total-bitcoin-fair-value-appreciation-in-q2-2025_07-07-2025



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Strategy Reports $14 Billion in Total Bitcoin Fair Value Appreciation in Q2 2025
Details: https://www.strategy.com/press/strategy-reports-14-billion-in-total-bitcoin-fair-value-appreciation-in-q2-2025_07-07-2025



MSTR Company They have increased the fair value of Bitcoin by $14 billion in the second quarter of 2025, their success has attracted other companies to buy more Bitcoin.
Michael Saylor He has achieved this yield by using his intelligence and strategy, and will achieve more in the future. And seeing this success, numerous companies are following Bitcoin investment targeting MSTR.

Strategy launches a $4.2B at-the-market offering for its STRD preferred stock.

Proceeds will be used for corporate purposes, including the acquisition of Bitcoin and funding dividends for Series A preferred shareholders.

https://x.com/BitcoinNewsCom/status/1942201757142053280?t=ykS1GdRkOx8-Ow3EXiImhQ&s=19
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Michael Saylor tweeted from his official X page that holding Bitcoin for a few weeks is necessary. His official post suggests that he will buy new Bitcoins this week and will most likely reach his desired figure of 600k. His total Bitcoin holdings are 597,325 and he is just a few Bitcoins away from reaching his desired figure of 600k.



lMichael Saylor

Do you interpret this as a big buy announcement incoming tomorrow or is Strategy laying off the Bitcoin accumulation after adding $500M last week?

https://x.com/BitcoinNewsCom/status/1941838850067779893?t=Q8wjVe4azYWyMM9av6F5mA&s=19
Looks like Strategy paused on their bitcoin accumulation spree in the last week. The first in three months.
Maybe they’re taking a break to check their tax positions, funding sources and generally balance their books before they continue.

 
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Looks like Strategy paused on their bitcoin accumulation spree in the last week. The first in three months.
Maybe they’re taking a break to check their tax positions, funding sources and generally balance their books before they continue.

Also because they want to keep the market guessing. Unpredictability leads to volatility and volatility leads to profitability, with more risk of course. Unpredictability leads to volatility and volatility leads to profitability. MSTR's last year's volatility is around 100%, twice that of bitcoin. In the last month it has dropped to 50%, while bitcoin's volatility is 31%. Saylor wants to keep MSTR's volatility at that 2X.

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Strategy Reveals $4.2 Billion Stock Sale After Missing First Weekly Bitcoin Buy in 3 Months
Strategy holds more than 593,000 Bitcoin with a current value of roughly $65 billion.
It announced a $4.2 billion preferred stock offering of STRD to raise funds for more Bitcoin purchases.

Source link: https://decrypt.co/328875/strategy-reveals-4-2-billion-stock-sale-missing-first-weekly-bitcoin-buy-3-months


MSTR company has stopped buying Bitcoin this week after buying Bitcoin for three months in a row. That is why they stopped buying Bitcoin and later raised money to buy Bitcoin by offering $4.2 billion in STRD stock. STRK, STRF, STRD are their main tools for raising money for Bitcoin investment.
After taking a break for a while, they will start buying Bitcoin again for the purpose of investing in Bitcoin. However, we will definitely see the picture of buying Bitcoin very soon from MSTR Company Chairman Michael Saylor.

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I think BlackRock and Michael Saylor are planning for the long term. So that they can buy more Bitcoin and sell it at a higher price. Now it's time to see when the time comes for them.

https://x.com/BitcoinMagazine/status/1942592929408901600?t=254iESD3zeWRu_fJyfWtwQ&s=19
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I think BlackRock and Michael Saylor are planning for the long term. So that they can buy more Bitcoin and sell it at a higher price. Now it's time to see when the time comes for them.

I really can't blame you with an headline like that.
BlackRock are not the true owner of the Bitcoins they are holding
They are custodians more like managers and are paid a fee for their service.


Strategy service Now revolves around owning Bitcoin
So if they start selling, they last losing credibility and Goodwill.
If they do sell, the likelihood of them selling to take profit is quite low.

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I think BlackRock and Michael Saylor are planning for the long term. So that they can buy more Bitcoin and sell it at a higher price. Now it's time to see when the time comes for them.

I really can't blame you with an headline like that.
BlackRock are not the true owner of the Bitcoins they are holding
They are custodians more like managers and are paid a fee for their service.


Strategy service Now revolves around owning Bitcoin
So if they start selling, they last losing credibility and Goodwill.
If they do sell, the likelihood of them selling to take profit is quite low.
You are correct as BlackRock is more of a custodian rather than an owner of the Bitcoin they hold. The reason is that they do not just act as a store, where you sell, rather it is more of a management like service, and asset manager towards your clients, so their choice in selling is to a great extent on the expectancy and preference of their clients and not just on gaining personal profit.

Supposing that BlackRock embarked on selling Bitcoin in large volumes, the implication to their reputation would be enormous. It might harm their credibility which is already very strong and would be more insulting in the event that it appears more as a speculative act. Hence, I do not believe that they would act like that without a proper reason. They are oriented more at stable long term management, and are not oriented at gaining fast money that can spoil their image.

 
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Strategy Reports $14 Billion in Total Bitcoin Fair Value Appreciation in Q2 2025
Details: https://www.strategy.com/press/strategy-reports-14-billion-in-total-bitcoin-fair-value-appreciation-in-q2-2025_07-07-2025



MSTR Company They have increased the fair value of Bitcoin by $14 billion in the second quarter of 2025, their success has attracted other companies to buy more Bitcoin.
Michael Saylor He has achieved this yield by using his intelligence and strategy, and will achieve more in the future. And seeing this success, numerous companies are following Bitcoin investment targeting MSTR.

If there one impact MSTR Company has done for the good of Bitcoin is the number of people and companies who have started accumulating Bitcoin through them, what do I mean by this, we all know that some set of people who started accumulating Bitcoin today really didn't make any research about Bitcoin they only saw a close friend or someone who is accumulating Bitcoin seriously without minding the negative things people where saying about Bitcoin and they became moved by that and decided to join the person to accumulate and hold.
Michael Saylor has really impacted on a lot of people who are Bitcoin investors, when I started Bitcoin investment I was always seeing News of him accumulating more and more Bitcoin without fear that encouraged me to accumulate as much as I can.
Even when there's a dip Michael Saylor uses that opportunity to accumulate more Bitcoin, his one of those Bitcoin investors that has really impacted on the life of Bitcoin investos and I believe his part of Bitcoin success story today.











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