Do you think COVID19 is a scam?

[BADecker]

^^^ Huh! Sounds just like the a combination of the flu and pneumonia.

[Phantomberry]

No, Covid19 is real because i believe in WHO that this virus exists and many countries are suffering from this pandemic around the world. But in other countries, this covid19 is business to them including fake swab test to identify the person who had covid they faking the result to have more people to swab test in contact tracing. Government can afford the swab test but other pay their swab test. There's a lot of proof that this virust is exist and spreading to human that can kill a single person whether you are young or old.

[tvbcof]

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first of all sars-cov-2 is a new strain that is so varient from 2002 sars and 2012 mers that it causes more death and symptom severity than sars/mers
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Pffffft!  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

I missed that doozy (noticed it when your somewhat strained relationship friend pointed out your lack of understanding about virus vs. bacteria.)

But please go on and tell us all about these risk statistics.  I'm all ears!

You got him.  sars does have a higher death rate with more severe symptoms.  How can you be informed enough to to know that while thick enough to think 'covid-19 == common cold'?

From first link I clicked:  https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-do-sars-and-mers-compare-with-covid-19

SARS-CoV:  Case fatality rate: 9.6%
MERS-CoV: Case fatality rate: 34.3%
SARS-CoV-2: Case fatality rate: 1.38% to 3.4%

Note that this is back in early 2020 when the media was trying to get a panic going.  The had already backed down from their 4% to 6% scaremongering because it was to absurd and they already got the 'two week time-out to flatten the curve' bullshit installed worldwide.

Now we know that even back then 10% to 25% of many populations had already gotten the infection and didn't even know it.  Just like the common cold.  That WILDLY inflated the mortality rates.  More importantly it set the stage for 'new cases' whenever they needed them for the '2nd wave' just by testing more people since PCR can pick up tiny fractions of particles if mis-used by running WAY to many cycles.  Even papaya can easily come up hot.  RT-PCR is the tool for the job ONLY if the job is to promote a fraudulent hoax.

The real mortality rate for people who are not already close to death appears to be about 0.002% or some such, but the number goes up significantly if you put yourself into medical treatment.  In the U.S. something like 30% of people who die do so by 'mishaps' at the hands of the medical/industrial complex, but if you or your family still has savings or assets your chances improve.

This thing is the common cold, people.  The 'new strain' is the common cold for the next year.  That's how it works with coronavirus (and others who's method of propagation is annual evolution such as influenza.)  You've all been chumped!  And it's because they specifically do NOT teach science or even simple deductive reasoning in school.  In fact society at large, including the 'public education system' teaches just the opposite.  Scientism.

The key to this 2020 operation is that they hit us all with 'post-truth' media and internet control (as was the theme of Davos a few years ago) with pretty good timing.  LOTS of work is finally going into figuring out technical ways of dealing with the censorship, but it takes time.  When research is again more practical it will be harder for the miscreants.

[franky1]

From first link I clicked:  https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-do-sars-and-mers-compare-with-covid-19

SARS-CoV:  Case fatality rate: 9.6%
MERS-CoV: Case fatality rate: 34.3%
SARS-CoV-2: Case fatality rate: 1.38% to 3.4%

Note that this is back in early 2020 when the media was trying to get a panic going.  The had already backed down from their 4% to 6% scaremongering because it was to absurd and they already got the 'two week time-out to flatten the curve' bullshit installed worldwide.

back in early 2020 people were not social distancing and not wearing masks so they were getting higher viral loads.
the reason why the severity has decreased is because people are standing at a distance and inhaling less virus thus less of a battle

.. as for deathrate of sars-cov and mers-cov those % were based on tests done of patients already in hospital because they didnt have a field test for people randomly in the community.

so if your going to quote numbers atleast research the context of the numbers

but thank you for proving that social distancing and masks make a difference by mentioning the change of severity from pre lockdown and post lockdown

[franky1]

Even papaya can easily come up hot.

the 'papaya can easily come up hot' if the lab had bad processes/bad reagents. the country where u got ur story from had a president that questioned why his lab had weird case numbers that had random cases that has no logic in tracability. he suspected the lab bought some knock off chemicals or were doing things not to manufacturers instructions. he hen fired the dubious lab tech and the supplies procurer.

if your going to mention something atleast do the research on it
more interestingly about south africa is that for decades their average life expectancy has been below 50 and so with hardly any of the population being over 50 the fatality rate from covid is alot lower
tanzania(papaya test country) average life expectancy is 48

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oh and to pre-empt the yet again repeated conspiracy script of pepsi having covid. that too was where a guy done a bad test (he didnt even use the reagent chemical)

[tvbcof]

From first link I clicked:  https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-do-sars-and-mers-compare-with-covid-19

SARS-CoV:  Case fatality rate: 9.6%
MERS-CoV: Case fatality rate: 34.3%
SARS-CoV-2: Case fatality rate: 1.38% to 3.4%

Note that this is back in early 2020 when the media was trying to get a panic going.  The had already backed down from their 4% to 6% scaremongering because it was to absurd and they already got the 'two week time-out to flatten the curve' bullshit installed worldwide.

back in early 2020 people were not social distancing and not wearing masks so they were getting higher viral loads.
the reason why the severity has decreased is because people are standing at a distance and inhaling less virus thus less of a battle
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Ditto!  Even after a ton of fearmongering and panic, people were still deboarding flights from China walking right out to their cars and saying WTF?!?  Everything was all about TRYING to spread the common cold virus as widely as possible as quickly as possible.  That was pretty clear to me.  The mouth-breathers on the left were writing it all off to 'Orange man bad.'

What was happening was that that they were trying to get the infection rate up, and according to anyone who looked, they had it up into the 10s of millions in the U.S. by the early part of 2020.  Also, remember how they were having all those 'problems' getting tests (again chalked up to 'orange man bad.')  Why?

Here's why:  because they planned all along to bait-n-switch to a 'casedemic' later on using fraudulent PCR testing.  They could get a '2nd wave' when the time was right just by testing people.  Since the infection is so mild most people never knew they had it same as any common cold.

This thing was tested out 13 years ago with a fake 'pertussis epidemic' with PCR test fraud, hospitals shutting down, antibiotics, vaccines, etc.  Suddenly, 8 month later the word went out that the total number of pertussis cases through the whole event were...zero.

  https://defending-gibraltar.net/t/the-pertussis-epidemic-that-wasnt-all-due-to-false-positive-pcr-tests/1076

I'm not saying that the 'medical professionals' were 'in on it'.  I'm saying that with perhaps one or two exceptions of those running the experiment the were NOT 'in on it.'  That goes to show how easy it is to fool these people.  They are not the demigods who people are conditioned to revere them as.  They put their pants on just as does anyone else and are easily fooled.  Even by themselves!

[Tash]

........This thing is the common cold, people.  .................

Yes, the world in on lock-down for a running nose in combination with scam test.
Some people, old, weak immune system….have then to deal with pneumonia and stuff like it.
Everyone has a cold multiple times a year, because it is easy to get it, not appropriated dressed for temperatur, wet hair, aircon…...  
Anyone noticed the crap temperate checks have stopped because anyone really sick with a fever is not walking about, he is happy staying in bed. The checks have all been just for drama to have something pointed at the head, which anyone sensible has refused anyway.

[TwitchySeal]

Not the same.

[franky1]

there is no PCR fraud. but there were PCR mistakes
yes in january/feb. some labs were not using disposable pippetes or small batch reagents and so some tests were getting cross contaminated. as were using some reagents using old pipettes, causing bad batches of the chemicals. but this was not a broad thing for all labs all the time. this got sorted quickly.
by march they had better procedures and policies in place.

however yes china did close down its airports in january.. heck i found it strange when i was monitoring flights still coming out of wuhan and i was saying it was not like a strict martial law lockdown. then later realised it was not chinese flights but other countries 'repatriation flights'.
even i said this would be a disaster and what should have happened was leave them 50k people in wuhan and just pay them to extent their holiday/business trip.

and yes it was the 'orange man bad' because he did down play it as cold.. and strangely 9 months later there are still loyal idiots to trump that still to this day want to call it a common cold

other 'orange man bad' mistakes was for him to put his inexperienced son-in-law incharge with trying to procure PPE. which became a disaster in many ways in feb-march. the silly idiot was actually purchasing PPE that was meant for hospitals. and took it away from them and then hoarded it in federal warehouses and then sold it to the hospitals at higher prices.al whilst hospitals then had to find other vendors
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as for thinking the 'second wave' and lockdowns were just case counts in the community.. no. having a lockdown is when it starts affecting hospital capacity.
if it was not having an affect on hospital capacity the only advice would be to just mask up and stay at a distance to avoid getting sick and stay home if sick. once hospitals numbers went up then the restrictions went up. when hospital cases went down. restrictions relaxed.

the main thing is when hospital capacity starts to be impacted then crucial things need to be restricted to ensure hospitals dont go overwhelmed.
when people ignore the advice. and thus cause more cases due to the ignorance. then the advice needs to be toughened

because even those not needing a vent but do need some intravenous medicine or just some cpap/nasel canular air support wont get any if hospitals are overwhelmed and if they cant get any, then those severe but not critical will become critical. and more deaths would occur.
here is an actual reason behind the restrictions

too many idiots think they can ignore advice because they think if they get sick they wil always be the special people that will get top treatment. but what you idiots dont realise is if hospitals are overwhelmed no one wil be there to help you. hospitals are not magic men that just fly to your house and make you better. there is a limit to their support.

yep trump fangirls think 'because trump had oxygen support and lots of meds and he got better in a few days, ill get that too'. no. if hospitals are overwhelmed you wont. and no amount of trump fangirling will change that

 and if you are having breathing issues where oxygen/intravenous meds is needed.  you will suffer. you do not have a special illuminati guarantee card with loyalty points that will earn you a hospital bed if there are no spare hospital beds. being a trumpette wont save your life. trump support and admiration does not make you immortal. you are not special just because your a trump supporter.

also trying to dismiss covid as a 'common cold'' wont make the virus run off and be afraid to attack you. you are just deluding yourself and you will end up being the ignorant group that make the restrictions more restrictive because you refused to accept the basic advice

[BADecker]

^^^ See? All your talk about how efficient the medical is, is just talk. They mess up so much that hundreds of thousands of people die in hospitals every year, simply from careless negligence of the medical staff.

[tvbcof]

^^^ See? All your talk about how efficient the medical is, is just talk. They mess up so much that hundreds of thousands of people die in hospitals every year, simply from careless negligence of the medical staff.

...and that was before they were being reimbursed $39,000 per 'accident.'

[BADecker]

Not only is Covid a scam, but it is starting to become spam when you get an email about it.

[hornetsnest]

 

[Bluto]

COVID19 is definitely not a scam but the way most governments take advantage of the situation to increase their grasp and control over the economy and people's lives in general definitely shows that its not in their best interest to de-escalate the entire lock-down phase just yet. The vaccine should be fine, given that it is in Pfizer's best interest for it to work. But that's just my opinion based on what I see on the news

[BADecker]

Covid19 definitely isn't a scam. We can tell by all the people who believe it is true. But what is it?

Covid19 is not a virus. There is no evidence of it having been isolated. If there were, there would be showing of the isolating of it all over the place.

Perhaps Covid19 is a pandemic of fear. Maybe government broadcasted some kind of radio frequency that dumbed down the common sense of people so that they simply fear without any reason.

Covid19 might be a method the banking system is using to change the money system.

Covid19 could be a method to take down America and the Western European countries. After all, these are the only countries that are maintaining freedom for average people in the whole world.

Covid19 might be a form of media advertising, just to test what they can do.


Whatever Covid19 is, if all people simply decided to ignore it altogether, it would go away, and life would go on as it has in the past.

[franky1]

^^^ See? All your talk about how efficient the medical is, is just talk. They mess up so much that hundreds of thousands of people die in hospitals every year, simply from careless negligence of the medical staff.

20 million people visit american hospitals each year due to having something bad that will kill them.
however not all 20mill die. so that shows that hospitals help.
yes certain things cant be treated due to how severe the ailment is. EG you cant fix a brain so a head injury from a road accident has high odds of fatality still. but again some people can be saved. where as they are guaranteed to die if just left at the roadside for a few hours without any support/treament

hundreds of thousands of people do not die due to carelessness/negligance.
i know you think every hospital death is a negligence case. but thats just your ignorance neglecting rational thought.

yes hospitals make mistakes and you hear about scandals.. such as the UK NHS maternity ward scandal this year where they found that due to a political decision to reduce the number of c-section births. some troubling natural births ended in tragedy due to trying to force a natural birth in conditions where a c-section would have been more proper.
but to put it into your religious, natural philosophy. the baby would have died anyway if home birthed. so statistically in your world the hospital was not the problem but the baby not being in the right position for natural birth was.
yes the hospital could have helped more to avoid the babies death by performing a c-section. so its been legally deemed as a negligence. but in your nature loving philosophy even you have to admit that the baby was not destined to live.. right

[BADecker]

^^^ See? All your talk about how efficient the medical is, is just talk. They mess up so much that hundreds of thousands of people die in hospitals every year, simply from careless negligence of the medical staff.

20 million people visit american hospitals each year due to having something bad that will kill them.
however not all 20mill die. so that shows that hospitals help.
yes certain things cant be treated due to how severe the ailment is. EG you cant fix a brain so a head injury from a road accident has high odds of fatality still. but again some people can be saved. where as they are guaranteed to die if just left at the roadside for a few hours without any support/treament

hundreds of thousands of people do not die due to carelessness/negligance.
i know you think every hospital death is a negligence case. but thats just your ignorance neglecting rational thought.

yes hospitals make mistakes and you hear about scandals.. such as the UK NHS maternity ward scandal this year where they found that due to a political decision to reduce the number of c-section births. some troubling natural births ended in tragedy due to trying to force a natural birth in conditions where a c-section would have been more proper.
but to put it into your religious, natural philosophy. the baby would have died anyway if home birthed. so statistically in your world the hospital was not the problem but the baby not being in the right position for natural birth was.
yes the hospital could have helped more to avoid the babies death by performing a c-section. so its been legally deemed as a negligence. but in your nature loving philosophy even you have to admit that the baby was not destined to live.. right

Where do you get that statistic of 20 million people visiting hospitals, 20 million who are going to die? If you get it from the hospitals, hospitals have to cover their rear ends. So, even if the 20 million statistic is out there somewhere, nobody knows that it could even be close to accurate.

So, as usual, you simply blab. Kinda fun to watch, however.

[franky1]

Where do you get that statistic of 20 million people visiting hospitals, 20 million who are going to die? If you get it from the hospitals, hospitals have to cover their rear ends. So, even if the 20 million statistic is out there somewhere, nobody knows that it could even be close to accurate.

So, as usual, you simply blab. Kinda fun to watch, however.

well  you could always use google.
but lets be more specific.
if you want to get anal about the word "visit" then its hundreds of million that visit a hospital.
but the average hospital admission is ~20m.

this year so far has had a surge of ~36mill+ admissions

but hey. you seem to want to avoid research. so no point explaining all the details if your just too ignorant to even care about details

[BayAreaCoins]

but the average hospital admission is ~20m.

this year so far has had a surge of ~36mill+ admissions

but hey. you seem to want to avoid research. so no point explaining all the details if your just too ignorant to even care about details

People are scared to death and local clinics are refusing people that answer yes to any of their 20 vague-ass questions...  Of course, hospital visits are up.

Just because I think COVID-19 is mostly bullshit... doesn't make me anti hospital.  I'm just saying they aren't always right (social distancing blacks from whites for example).

[tvbcof]

but the average hospital admission is ~20m.

this year so far has had a surge of ~36mill+ admissions

but hey. you seem to want to avoid research. so no point explaining all the details if your just too ignorant to even care about details

People are scared to death and local clinics are refusing people that answer yes to any of their 20 vague-ass questions...  Of course, hospital visits are up.

Just because I think COVID-19 is mostly bullshit... doesn't make me anti hospital.  I'm just saying they aren't always right (social distancing blacks from whites for example).

More likely franky1-n-beans pulled the number right out of his butt-hole, or got it from fraudulent bureaucrats who started counting janitorial staff as an 'admission' every time they entered a room to clean it.  That would actually be mild compared to the other fraud these people are doing with the numbers.