Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024

[Slow death]

On top of it just want to say one thing. How many managers they had after Ferguson left? They had David Moyes, van Gaal, Mourinho and now Ole. Do you think manager is the problem? It's more than that.

Sir Fergie have good strategy and he get trust from MU boards. even he fail to bring any title, MU still keep him to manage. Maybe current condition in MU not just because of coach, they need to give a chance to every coach as they give to Fergie. or, maybe the problem also come from the inside of board management. In Mourinho era, they still get a title, even not EPL title yet, here I don't understand with MU management, i think they are too early to decide to sacking Mou. (IMI)

IMO it shows that MU management want instant great achievement from any new coach they hired since Sir Alex decided to retire.
They forget that they cant get great achievement just by hiring good manager or even buy many good talented players.
Obviously it is not just a matter of "who is the manager" but it is a combination between good strategy from the manager and team work from the players.
I think it will happen again and again, even if there is another new manager to replace Ole, then the management will put a high expectation on the other new manager.
So I do think that there is also something wrong with the management as well.

I think the central problem is in the coach, if Manchester United had a coach like Pep Guardiola and changed the entire Manchester United team we would see a Manchester United that would play much better and win more championships. Manchester United players play in a way that looks like they are sabotaging the coach, there are times when I get angry at how they play. I watch Manchester City games, they can lose but there is a way to play I like to watch, so does Chelsea who can lose the game but they play well in my opinion. But manchester united doesn't have a good way of playing

[LFC_Bitcoin]

After Ferguson retired the whole Manchester United team changed.
In my opinion, it is not Solskjaer fault that the team is bad - even the fact that I do not like Ole Gunnar I still think that Man Utd will have the same results with Pochettino as well.
The management needs to spend money on the player and hire young talents from teams that promote them such as Ajax for example.

There would always be a big drop off after such a great coach leaves. The only way to solve the mess they’re in is to get rid of Solksjaer but because he’s a club legend it’s difficult, they can’t just cast him aside. They need to treat him with respect.

[Blackpussy]

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here I don't understand with MU management, i think they are too early to decide to sacking Mou. (IMI)

I think it's not just management, supporters sometimes have the power to get the coach out. I've heard that Solskjaer has a lot more pressure after the big loss from Spurs. Then MU management began to approach Mauricio Pochetino to replace him. A difficult transition period after Ferguson retired. I think the coach needs time to win😅 especially when MU is filled with young players.

The management needs to spend money on the player and hire young talents from teams that promote them such as Ajax for example.

The management spent £200m last season on three players so how is it management's fault and not Ole's fault? that the team is performing badly.

Manutd young players are performing badly in their respective youth leagues I don't see any hope of getting any yourh talent

[Smartvirus]

The team that Pep Guardiola takes charge of seems to get a new life. He really knows magic. I really enjoy Man City's match. It hurts when they lose, but I’ve never been so bored watching them play. I'm annoyed to see Man Utd's match in this season. I expect a big change for their team in the next match. Otherwise they will lose more match and they will not be in the top 5 of the point table in this season.

That's the thing. Being funded is one thing, knowing and buying the players that would suit your desired formation and style of play is another thing. They all come together to present a master piece of football. Hence, after buying your desired players and yet, you aren't getting results, it's always going to be you to blame. Not the players even. At times players takes the coaches to heart and just want to do away with them by their attitude on the pitch no doubt but it still revolves around the coach and how he relates with his players. I know this might not be the case of Manchester United but let's look at Klopp and the way he relates with his team, it's quite a father and sons relationship I see there and as such, the result often comes out beautifully.
A fan of Manchester United goes into the arena or a game center and is already heart broken even before the games starts. So undesirable and shouldn't be. The team under this management is really not reliable at the games.

[AakZaki]

I agree with you that coach needs time to build the squad, affirm young players into men, create a mindset for the entire team, but coach needs to have ability and skills for that.
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After Ferguson retired in 2013, there are five coaches who have worked with Mancester United. If I'm not mistaken, the average lasted almost two years, except for Ryan Giggs, who at that time replaced Moyes. Of the five coaches, the one who gave the most trophies was only Jose Mourinho with three titles with a coaching period of two years, in my opinion it's actually not bad. From this history I can see that management seemed to have ambitions of winning in such a short time but it was not working. But I don't know why this still (may) continue. They don't try to change their pattern (management).

[DeathAngel]

Man Utd have the money to compete, their issue is that successive managers keep buying the wrong players & using the wrong tactics. Plus I suppose Pep & Klopp taking their teams games to a previously unseen level in the PL has made it extra hard.

[nelson4lov]

Man Utd have the money to compete, their issue is that successive managers keep buying the wrong players & using the wrong tactics. Plus I suppose Pep & Klopp taking their teams games to a previously unseen level in the PL has made it extra hard.

Liverpool were in a similar situation like man utd - replacing managers at short time periods some years back before we got a hold of klopp and got him to change the situation at Anfield. It didn't take long before we started competing on global level even though we were unlucky at first. (Losing to Sevilla in UEL final in 2016 and UCL final to Real Madrid in 2018).

Man Utd will return back to their glory days but I don't think Ole is the man to make that happen. The spark he had during his first couple of games at Man Utd is gone.

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After Ferguson retired the whole Manchester United team changed.
In my opinion, it is not Solskjaer fault that the team is bad - even the fact that I do not like Ole Gunnar I still think that Man Utd will have the same results with Pochettino as well.
The management needs to spend money on the player and hire young talents from teams that promote them such as Ajax for example.

There would always be a big drop off after such a great coach leaves. The only way to solve the mess they’re in is to get rid of Solksjaer but because he’s a club legend it’s difficult, they can’t just cast him aside. They need to treat him with respect.

They don't care about that. Whether he's a club legend or not that doesn't usually stop clubs sacking them once they don't get results, but every time it looks like Ollie is on shaky ground and looks like his head may roll next he seems to turn it around and have a win streak. From what I remember United haven't started off well the past couple of seasons but they ended up in third position last year which is pretty good going despite the huge gap in points between Liverpool and City in first and second. With sacking managers they probably won't want to let him go if they haven't got a better first immediately lined up. Sacking him to only have the second in command running it isn't going to be much different. I think clubs need to move on from this mentality of just sacking managers whenever they don't perform unless they have done something tactically inept, but it's usually the players on the pitch's fault when this happens. More often than not managers can turn things around given time or they likely would but most don't get that opportunity. Fergie didn't do very well when he took over United and in todays climate he likely would have been sacked before he could turn United into what they became.

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When Solskjaer replaces Mourinho they had a series of excellent results. I think 15+ unbeatable with some respectable goal score. They haven't players like Fernandes, Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Greenwood... Also in last season, last few months, I think they have most earned points in the league, especially after the restart. So, same players with two different performances, it's clear this is the manager's fault. Like Mourinho's fault before Ole. It looks as if they are on the field together for the first time.
I don't think Leicester had a better squad in their title-winning season, but they did what they did.
I like Ole, but this is too big a step in his career, despite his great love for the club and good understanding of club heritage he must leave manager position.

For example, if we talking about Ferguson's era, just remembering a few players which in this team would have no place: O'Shea, Evans, Welbeck, Wes Brown ... but still dominated. When they sold Ronaldo, he would replace them with Valencia and win the league again and play CL final. To be clear, all of them are solid players, but only a solid, not top class.
Another example is Jordan Henderson, people in ManUtd (with Ferguson) estimated there would be no top class because of body position in the running ^{part from Alex Ferguson biography}. Now just watch what is Klopp makes of them.

[hilariousetc]

When Solskjaer replaces Mourinho they had a series of excellent results. I think 15+ unbeatable with some respectable goal score. They haven't players like Fernandes, Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Greenwood... Also in last season, last few months, I think they have most earned points in the league, especially after the restart. So, same players with two different performances, it's clear this is the manager's fault. Like Mourinho's fault before Ole. It looks as if they are on the field together for the first time.
I don't think Leicester had a better squad in their title-winning season, but they did what they did.
I like Ole, but this is too big a step in his career, despite his great love for the club and good understanding of club heritage he must leave manager position.

Leicester are a perfect example of this toxic culture of sacking managers after a few bad results. Leicester should have built a god damn statue of Ranieri after he won the league with them, but instead they sacked him the following season after a poor start but not one they should have fired him over. I thought the way the club treated him was disgusting. Was it really his fault for the poor form? Absolutely not. He didn't do anything different in the following season as far as I can tell but the owners started to panic after their bad form and ousted him only to replace him with the second in command, which was Craig Shakespeare really a better option? He won a couple of games and then they sacked him as soon as they started to fall down the table and the cycle continues. They then went through a handful of managers before settling on Brendan Rodgers, now is Brendan Rogers any better than Ranieri. They should have just stuck with Ranieri and see where it went. Even if the unthinkable happened and they got relegated, they should have given him the decency of trying too get back up but I don't think they would have ever got that bad with him.

[gabbie2010]

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here I don't understand with MU management, i think they are too early to decide to sacking Mou. (IMI)

I think it's not just management, supporters sometimes have the power to get the coach out. I've heard that Solskjaer has a lot more pressure after the big loss from Spurs. Then MU management began to approach Mauricio Pochetino to replace him. A difficult transition period after Ferguson retired. I think the coach needs time to win😅 especially when MU is filled with young players.

After Ferguson retired the whole Manchester United team changed.
In my opinion, it is not Solskjaer fault that the team is bad - even the fact that I do not like Ole Gunnar I still think that Man Utd will have the same results with Pochettino as well.
The management needs to spend money on the player and hire young talents from teams that promote them such as Ajax for example.

Even if Pochettino is hired now I don't think that will solve Man Utd problem as you rightly said IMO I think they should allow Ole Gunnar to continue with the rebuilding process of the team It will take some time before getting the deisred results, the team has some promising young stars that needed some blending with the more experienced players, although the team had a poor this season however MU management has to be patient with Ole Gunnar and let their fans know that the team needed more time so as to able to compete with the other top EPL teams.

[hd49728]

Even if Pochettino is hired now I don't think that will solve Man Utd problem as you rightly said IMO I think they should allow Ole Gunnar to continue with the rebuilding process of the team It will take some time before getting the deisred results, the team has some promising young stars that needed some blending with the more experienced players, although the team had a poor this season however MU management has to be patient with Ole Gunnar and let their fans know that the team needed more time so as to able to compete with the other top EPL teams.

The problems of Man Utd. are their boards and director. Change those guys first then coach later. Next let fire some crying and shouting babies like Pogba.

They used to hire a good coach, Mourinho and he did great job at his first season. The mentality of Pogba and inconsistency of board to support Mourinho caused the leave of the Special One. I can sympathize with Man Utd.'s board if they chose some good coaches as replacement for Mourinho. In fact they chose Solsa that is a terrible choice.

The joke kept going when the board have given many support for Solsa (from transfer budget to press conference and drama). Solsa after his 3 season has proven to all that he is not qualified enough to be in Old Trafford.

[masulum]

Solsa after his 3 season has proven to all that he is not qualified enough to be in Old Trafford.

Maybe he can accept any decision from board, so board love him also his salary more cheap than special one
If MU learn from Leichester when they are became EPL champions with good coach, and learn from Everton with good coach, may MU will be better this season. But, the board decision are difference with both of these clubs. MU board not serious to rebuild club.

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Sheffield United vs Fullham, which one would you guys pick? Both of them are at the bottom of the league so while poorly performing teams are usually safe to bet against, when you pit two f them against each other, unexpected things may happen. But Fulham has a smaller goal difference than the rest of the teams so I believe picking Sheffield is not unreasonable.

At any rate, the Asian total should never be above 3.5, and possibly 2.5 as well, Asian handicap +2 for Fulham is also safe waters as well, but those odds are too low to be of any fun, +1 @1.35 sounds safe as well, heck if you really think Fulham will flop this game you can even bet +0 and Both Teams to Score: No.

[skarais]

Sheffield United vs Fullham, which one would you guys pick? Both of them are at the bottom of the league so while poorly performing teams are usually safe to bet against, when you pit two f them against each other, unexpected things may happen. But Fulham has a smaller goal difference than the rest of the teams so I believe picking Sheffield is not unreasonable.

It's also not safe to bet something on one of them. But in those small amount there would be no problem if the aim was to entertain yourself. It could be that this match is less interesting to watch, because both are caretakers at the bottom of the standing. Nothing special for them.
I am quite curious about Liverpool's situation when playing against Everton later. I think it will be an interesting game after Liverpool lost big before.

[AakZaki]

~snip~
although the team had a poor this season however MU management has to be patient with Ole Gunnar and let their fans know that the team needed more time so as to able to compete with the other top EPL teams.

Yes, it can happen, the coach needs time, but we can see Ole Gunnar Solskjaer coach United for over a year. There is a possibility that there will be dismissal from the result of the next match. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer must have the courage to eliminate players who are not playing well. They have good replacements, for example in the position of Defender Axel Tuanzebe and Teden Mengi to replace Luke Shaw or Maguire, in the midfield position there is Donny van de Beek, I think his movement is faster than Pogba, there is also Juan Mata who can replace Bruno Fernandes.

[Onuohakk]

Even if Pochettino is hired now I don't think that will solve Man Utd problem as you rightly said IMO I think they should allow Ole Gunnar to continue with the rebuilding process of the team It will take some time before getting the deisred results, the team has some promising young stars that needed some blending with the more experienced players, although the team had a poor this season however MU management has to be patient with Ole Gunnar and let their fans know that the team needed more time so as to able to compete with the other top EPL teams.

The problems of Man Utd. are their boards and director. Change those guys first then coach later. Next let fire some crying and shouting babies like Pogba.

They used to hire a good coach, Mourinho and he did great job at his first season. The mentality of Pogba and inconsistency of board to support Mourinho caused the leave of the Special One. I can sympathize with Man Utd.'s board if they chose some good coaches as replacement for Mourinho. In fact they chose Solsa that is a terrible choice.

The joke kept going when the board have given many support for Solsa (from transfer budget to press conference and drama). Solsa after his 3 season has proven to all that he is not qualified enough to be in Old Trafford.

I keep saying it, for Manchester United to succeed, they need to sell Pogba to another club cos there's no way you'll bench Pogba for another player. There are good players out there, that can play more than him.
Pogba is a big time flop. Look at what he played during friendly match between his country (France) and Portugal. He can't even play correct pass. Manchester United is just hyping him and it's making him to feel on top

[DeathAngel]

They need to sell Pogba yeah & use the money to buy somebody younger who is hungry to succeed. Pogba is too lazy, they have Fernandes & Van De Beek so they have the start of a good midfield. Pogba is a passenger though, they can do better.

[sana54210]

When you are playing in a team like Manchester United you will always be paid good, no matter how great or how terrible you play, you will always be paid very well, when you get a good contract that means unless something major happens you are going to be paid that and can't be kicked without getting paid, either they will send you to another team and you can request the same amount or decline the transfer yourself, or you could just accept that and move on only that way.

So, what United has to do is find a team who would be willing to purchase Pogba but also pay his huge salary as well, if the team is fine with paying for a transfer fee, but not feeling like they want to pay for such a huge salary, tell them you will drop the fee in exchange of them paying Pogba. At this moment send Pogba away as quickly as possible because not only he plays bad but he changes the whole team to worse.