Presidential debates

[squatz1]

An interesting statistic (that we'll never get) is not how many "watched", but how many quit watching and after how long.

You can probably get that if you ask Nielsen. Not sure if they take Bitcoin.

That's probably put down somewhere. I know they put out some stats regarding the average amount of time each people had watched.

THOUGH FOLKS WE ARE HAVING ANOTHER PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, SO THIS WILL BE THE SECOND ONE -- that's if you disregard the townhall and all that. Fitted with plexiglass, like the VP debate, and mute buttons so people can speak uninterrupted.

Maybe this will be more informative? Kinda doubt it though, sadly.

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[suchmoon]

Maybe this will be more informative? Kinda doubt it though, sadly.

I would imagine Trump is gonna chant "lock him up" most of the time.

[Gyfts]

Two senile old men back at it again for round 2!

I'm not sure what'll happen tonight. Of course Trump is going to bring up the Hunter Biden saga and Joe Biden will recite what his campaign tells him, which is admit no fault, call the accusation baseless, and then maybe chalk it up to Russian disinformation (zero evidence of this). I don't expect Trump to deliver this attack very well. He'll probably ramble on while making no coherent sense. The average American really doesn't care, nor do I expect them to.

But really none of this matters. People have already made up their mind on who they're going to vote for. This debate will probably be useless, everyone will go into this with the mindset that their side will win despite what the actual end result is.

The moderator announced the topics earlier:

Fighting COVID-19, American families, race in America, climate change, national security and leadership.


I'm not sure what American families mean. What sort of question would be relevant here?

[BADecker]

Why is there any debate. Biden doesn't have an excuse for being in the debates.


Joe Biden linked to "hundreds of millions of dollars" in money laundering schemes

Speaking to Fox Business' Maria Bartiromo, Chief of Staff Mark Meadows explained to viewers that the Biden Crime Family, as many are now calling it, is mired in corruption – and what has been publicly released thus far is only the tip of the iceberg.

"If I were Joe Biden, I'd worry about tomorrow night because the kinds of questions he'll get to answer, even if the moderator does not ask them, certainly he'll get asked those types of questions and he'll have a chance to respond," Meadows told Bartiromo during an Oct. 21 segment, suggesting that Trump will almost certainly bring up the issue.

"But I think the other thing that is key here, Maria, is that when we start to look at the connections, when we put all the connections together, it's amazing how everyone's been silent on this issue when ultimately there's a lot of information there."

[squatz1]

Maybe this will be more informative? Kinda doubt it though, sadly.

I would imagine Trump is gonna chant "lock him up" most of the time.

Eh, it doesn't really seem like he has a cute little slogan for Biden in the same way that he had one for Clinton. But yes, I also think that it is going to devolve into a shitshow.

Two senile old men back at it again for round 2!

I'm not sure what'll happen tonight. Of course Trump is going to bring up the Hunter Biden saga and Joe Biden will recite what his campaign tells him, which is admit no fault, call the accusation baseless, and then maybe chalk it up to Russian disinformation (zero evidence of this). I don't expect Trump to deliver this attack very well. He'll probably ramble on while making no coherent sense. The average American really doesn't care, nor do I expect them to.

But really none of this matters. People have already made up their mind on who they're going to vote for. This debate will probably be useless, everyone will go into this with the mindset that their side will win despite what the actual end result is.

The moderator announced the topics earlier:

Fighting COVID-19, American families, race in America, climate change, national security and leadership.


I'm not sure what American families mean. What sort of question would be relevant here?

What's better then watching two old men yell incoherent arguments at one another that make literally no sense?? NAME SOME THINGS FOLKS.

But yes, Trumps line of attack against Biden regarding Hunter Biden and his alleged influence peddling could actually be something, though you're totally right. Trump is going to yell a ton of random shit and people won't be able to understand what he's talking about. Some will know, as those are the die hard Trumpers that have him on twitter and see him on Fox -- though the regular voters that he needs to join his camp will be like what the fuck is going on.

Can't wait for the shitshow to begin.

[suchmoon]

I'm not sure what American families mean. What sort of question would be relevant here?

Hunter Biden. Trump's "family business" and three marriages. Very American, much family.

[xhomerx10]

So far they're having a civil debate tonight.  Come on!

[eddie13]

Watching.. Trump is being too soft, but still kicking his ass..

[Spendulus]

So far they're having a civil debate tonight.  Come on!

Biden's wearing out.

[PrimeNumber7]

Apparently Biden is running against Lincoln. Or maybe this is a dog whistle on the part of Biden to his supporters.

I noticed there were several times in which Biden was unable to recall specific facts and got a lot wrong.

Probably most importantly, Biden said he would shut down the oil industry (maybe to help Burisma).

[philipma1957]

Trump won this debate.

But a clear bullshit on his part was how clean USA air is.

It is clean because no one is driving due to covid.

My biggest issue is clean air.

I am a life long asthmatic.

My wife still has lung damage due to covid.

[eddie13]

Trump was far too soft.. Should have drilled harder on more points.. Should have got demanding..
Biden looked like he was just trying to survive..

Trump won on China, Russia, NK, Ukraine, covid, oil, "green" BS, etc..

Or maybe it's just my bias..

Trump should have railroaded Biden and the moderator and hit harder on the whole Hunter Biden situation..
Wish he would have just ran them over like a tank..

Trump sounded like he was talking to a child the entire time..
Boooo Trump.. You are supposed to be a killer..

[Gyfts]

Wow, that actually was a debate. A bit of rambling here and there but that was as good as it gets. It was a boring debate, but I think in everyone's interest that's probably better than a shouting match.

I think Trump won overall because of his latter half performance but Biden was beating him heavily on COVID response and healthcare. The Trump campaign is going to have an absolute field day with Biden on fracking and his weird ass condemnation of the oil industry which came out of no where.

[eddie13]

his weird ass condemnation of the oil industry which came out of no where.

He admitted he was carbonphobic
Wants to shut down the entire oilfield..
Exactly what all of America's enemies want..

By by PA and OH.. OK, LA, ND, TX, etc.. And anyone with enough braincells to realize that CO2 is NOT a pollutant..

Catch where he hit on the fact that wind turbines create more pollution than than they solve, and that natural gas is cleaner??
Yeah..

My biggest issue is clean air.

Screw wind turbines right?

Biden was beating him heavily on COVID response and healthcare.

Nope..
Trump smoked him with "you called my travel restrictions xenophobic" and he was absolutely right about the shutdowns causing more harm than covid itself..
"You can't do that Joe"..

Biden had no solutions to covid other than more shutdowns..

Trump was right on "protect the elderly and health compromised"..
We can't shut the whole country down.. Rather we should just protect those who are highly at risk.. Just like the flu (but no vaccine yet)..

I am a life long asthmatic.
My wife still has lung damage due to covid.

You have a positive covid antibodies test to be sure? Or you just assume that?
Did it hit you hard too? Are you SURE it was covid?


I think it's likely I had covid.. I had a cough for 3 weeks and I've mostly gotten over it..
Have a physical coming up Tuesday preceded by a fitness evaluation.. Wish me luck..
Damn I just love geting my BP and heart rate taken just after maxing out on squats and pushups etc.. NOT...

You ever blow into one of those pulmonary test jigs? Not fun at all..
"Beep- ""Blow blow blow blow blow blow"" hhhheeee ""blow blow blow blow"" Beep" ... Like damn man, I've been flat chested for 10 seconds and I'm supposed to keep blowing? Humans can do that?
"Shit doc, am I gonna die soon? I know I smoke too much.. "
"No you passed"
"Good thing you already took my BP yo "

[xhomerx10]

I'd like to know what made Biden turn against the "Poor Boys" suddenly.  I thought he previously said they're "just as smart as white kids".

[theymos]

A narcissist who's largely living in fantasy-land vs a senile old politician... And they both ended up visibly winded by the end.

The whole "trojan horse for socialism" argument is just stupid; people who aren't already voting for Trump simply find it unbelievable. "You're running against Joe Biden!" And Trump brings up the stock market... You're not speaking to avid Fox News watchers, Don.

Trump should've pointed out that at least according to FBI director Ratcliffe, Russia and Iran are trying to make Trump lose. (This is just spin from Ratcliffe, but it would've been effective for Trump to repeat.)

Framing the question of structural racism in terms of "the talk" was smart by the moderator, connecting something abstract to something that most people can find believable and many will relate to personally. Biden's response to the question was effective, though when you dig deeper, the Democratic ideology toward structural racism is basically that racism is original sin: everyone/everything has it, it can't be removed, and all you can do is constantly but futilely try to atone for it through various forms of self-flagellation. IMO this is both wrongheaded and ultimately an unpopular message, but yet the Republicans always seem to want to ignore the issue entirely rather than actually making an ideological argument. Trump's response in this case was to basically dodge the question and point to several ways in which he's helped minority communities, which was an effective response, but like most Republicans, he avoids presenting an actual ideology here. Republicans should say something like, "A great many people, especially minority communities, feel oppressed by the system, often with good reason. We should try to fix this. However, the end goal is colorblindness: to put racial divisions behind us. You don't do that through stuff like affirmative action or critical race theory, which only solidify racial divisions."

It's pathetic that Trump wasn't more effective at attacking someone who is both in terms of style and record as weak as Biden. Both sides made several effective arguments, though Biden was weaker on style, so I'd say that Trump "won", though this'll have nearly zero impact: even less than the previous debates.

[vapourminer]

You ever blow into one of those pulmonary test jigs? Not fun at all..
"Beep- ""Blow blow blow blow blow blow"" hhhheeee ""blow blow blow blow"" Beep" ... Like damn man, I've been flat chested for 10 seconds and I'm supposed to keep blowing? Humans can do that?

you can buy home versions of spirometers (i think thats the term). just get a baseline and keep seeing if you can match it.

not a diagnostic tool per se but it can help you notice a gradual decline. log your readings

a pulse oximiter is useful too. just keep in touch with your MD, these are not meant to be substitutes for true medical care.

[Gyfts]

Nope..
Trump smoked him with "you called my travel restrictions xenophobic" and he was absolutely right about the shutdowns causing more harm than covid itself..
"You can't do that Joe"..

Biden had no solutions to covid other than more shutdowns..

Trump was right on "protect the elderly and health compromised"..
We can't shut the whole country down.. Rather we should just protect those who are highly at risk.. Just like the flu (but no vaccine yet)..

I think his strategy was right but the problem with Biden is that he used too much emotional hyperbole and rhetoric that I don't think Americans are wise enough to pick up on it.

He talked about 220k dead and people missing family members at the dinner table, or reaching over at someone out of habit and not having them there. It's nonsense and it's clear that his democratic staffers came up with these lines for Biden to recite. It's also apparent that Biden would not have done much better but he keeps throwing up this attack line hoping it sticks.

[PrimeNumber7]

The Trump campaign is going to have an absolute field day with Biden on fracking and his weird ass condemnation of the oil industry which came out of no where.

Biden was trying to claim to be not against Fracking and ended up taking a far worse position.

It appears that Biden is trying to privately tell the far left wing of his party that he will be an extremist while telling the rest of the country that he will be moderate.

This is the exact same argument that democrats made in the 2018 midterm elections, and since the new congress was sworn in, Democrats have voted almost always as a bloc, including for impeachment that had no chance of actually removing the president (that would only divide the country), and other extreme bills (also that are going nowhere in the Senate).

[BADecker]

There is no question. There is no debate. All there is are lies. But are they really lies? Looks like they have solid evidence of Biden's self-incriminating activity... both Bidens. Watch the video at the site.


Video Report: Diary Of Joe Biden's Daughter Alleges Years Of Sexual Molestation

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