Presidential debates

[squatz1]

Overall I would say that Chris Wallace did a bad job at moderating. This is surprising considering that IMO he was the best moderator in the last set of debates in 2016. Wallace really lost control of the conversation multiple times throughout the debate.

Wallace asked for Trump to denounce White Supremists, however he was unable to name a specific group he wanted Trump to denounce, and he did not ask Biden to do the same thing for BLM nor ANIFTA, and the left leaning groups are responsible for 99%+ of the violence and rioting. Trump did not specifically denounce White Suprremists, but he did ask for a specific name to condem, which he received no response.

Trump should not have interrupted Biden as much. I believe Biden would have embarrised himself more, and would have shown his declining mental abilities if not for Trump's interruptions. There were other times in which Trump should have interrupted when he didn't such as about the often repeated lie that Trump said White Suppremists were "very fine people" in Charlottsville.

Biden's non-answer on court-packing basically means he is for court-packing. If he comes out as being against court-packing, it shuts down any concerns about the SC being packed, while if he says he is pro-packing, this becomes a major headline (it is very unpopular). Biden's explanation is that he wont answer the question because it would distract from the SC conversation, and being pro-packing is the only position that would distract from the conversation.

Did he do a bad job? Yes.

But can we really blame him? Guy really didn't have a lot to work with. Both Trump and Biden were really losing it on one another with the constant talking over one another -- I do have to say that Trump totally talked way too much and made himself look very dumb there.

Totally true on the whole - let Biden talk and we can probably end up somewhere where he stumbled by himself. But Trump just made himself look like a buffoon without letting Biden talk. Biden stumbled in the beginning and Trump should've let him continue to stumble.

Less on the Hunter Biden stuff, more on the socialist side of the party. More on law and order. More on Biden being in politics for 47 years and getting nothing done. Biden is part of the establishment and so on and so forth.

October surprise is going to really be needed to help propel Trump. This isn't looking good for the GOP right now.

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[Mauser]

Did he do a bad job? Yes.

But can we really blame him? Guy really didn't have a lot to work with. Both Trump and Biden were really losing it on one another with the constant talking over one another -- I do have to say that Trump totally talked way too much and made himself look very dumb there.

Totally true on the whole - let Biden talk and we can probably end up somewhere where he stumbled by himself. But Trump just made himself look like a buffoon without letting Biden talk. Biden stumbled in the beginning and Trump should've let him continue to stumble.

Less on the Hunter Biden stuff, more on the socialist side of the party. More on law and order. More on Biden being in politics for 47 years and getting nothing done. Biden is part of the establishment and so on and so forth.

October surprise is going to really be needed to help propel Trump. This isn't looking good for the GOP right now.

I only watched the main parts from the debate but this was really rough. It kind of reminds me of 4 years ago when Trump had the first debate with Hillary. Trump trying to bully his opponent around and they try to keep their cool. In my opinion it will have no really impact on the polls. The people who will vote for Trump know what they are getting and are not going to change their opinion because of the debate. As for Biden it's early to see people abandon him. I think it will take another debate for people to start switching their opinions.

[vapourminer]

Only watch such political porn drunk.

appropriate as the debate looked like an argument between two drunks at a bar with wallace the bartender occasionally threatening to cut one off and throw them out, with little effect.

pretty embarrassing for citizens of the usa.. theres a rock out in the yard im looking at. think im gonna vote for it nov 3rd.

[eddie13]

Hope this wasn’t too much of a spoiler because I’m about to watch it if I can find it..

[Spendulus]

A better format would have been to have a computer controlled countdown for each person's talk. Give them a big OLED screen they can watch that has a green bar moving toward completion of the 2 minutes, it could go amber, then red, then blinking red, and then shuts off audio.

At that point the contender could punch a button that gives him another 10, 20 or 30 seconds. But we'd only give him say 600 seconds total on that clock.

That'd shut them up, and let Wallace manage content, not shutdowns.

Hell, I'd even given them a 2nd button which allowed them to interrupt someone else talking, but limit it to 10 10 second interrupts.

[eddie13]

Or just have no moderator and let them go head to head for as long as they can handle it..

[BADecker]

What a game. Just let Trump in so he can finish out his two terms. I mean, if you don't let him back in, the Dems will mess up the next four years so badly, that Trump will easily make it back in, in 2024.


'Shut Up, Man!' Dissecting The Trump-Biden Circus

Last night's presidential debate was more like a food fight than a serious discussion of policies. Moderator Chris Wallace lost control early on and seemed to bring his biases with him to the event. Underneath all the rudeness and screaming, however, a few important points and distinctions can be made. In today's Liberty Report we will do our best to bring those distinctions to light.

'Shut Up, Man!' Dissecting The Trump-Biden Circus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBmaHROxUhk

[squatz1]

Little update on the whole Presidential Debate stuff and what we're going to see for the future, Axios states the following from the Debate commission:

The Commission on Presidential Debates announced Wednesday that it plans to implement changes to rules for the remaining debates, after Tuesday night's head-to-head between Joe Biden and Donald Trump was practically incoherent for most of the night.

Totally needed for the next debate as there is ABSOLUTELY no way that we're going to be able to watch 2 more of whatever the fuck last night was. I know it may be great for ratings and the cable companies love it because people like to see this sort of bullshit drama entertainment. But it really isn't showing us anything and it isn't showcasing the candidates like it needs to do.

Hopefully these debates get better. Total win for Biden though as a messy debate helps him. Trump needed a great debate and he didn't get it.

[BADecker]

Little update on the whole Presidential Debate stuff and what we're going to see for the future, Axios states the following from the Debate commission:

The Commission on Presidential Debates announced Wednesday that it plans to implement changes to rules for the remaining debates, after Tuesday night's head-to-head between Joe Biden and Donald Trump was practically incoherent for most of the night.

Totally needed for the next debate as there is ABSOLUTELY no way that we're going to be able to watch 2 more of whatever the fuck last night was. I know it may be great for ratings and the cable companies love it because people like to see this sort of bullshit drama entertainment. But it really isn't showing us anything and it isn't showcasing the candidates like it needs to do.

Hopefully these debates get better. Total win for Biden though as a messy debate helps him. Trump needed a great debate and he didn't get it.

I agree with the need for a change in the way the debates are done. But, I think last night showed us exactly the kind of people the debaters are... for debates, that is.

When you look at all the things that Biden did to improve his finances when he was in the vice-p, and all the things that Trump has done for the people, the only reasons Biden might win are two:
1. Corruptions in the voting world;
2. Ignorant people who don't understand how Trump has blessed them.

[Spendulus]

Or just have no moderator and let them go head to head for as long as they can handle it..

Likely be pretty interesting.

[suchmoon]

Totally needed for the next debate as there is ABSOLUTELY no way that we're going to be able to watch 2 more of whatever the fuck last night was. I know it may be great for ratings and the cable companies love it because people like to see this sort of bullshit drama entertainment. But it really isn't showing us anything and it isn't showcasing the candidates like it needs to do.

I'd be quite happy if the next two debates follow suit.

So there's an interesting situation. Trump campaign is obviously claiming great victory and probably wouldn't agree to rule changes. They're claiming it would help Biden, although really it would be more likely to allow Biden to go off rails if he has to talk for 2 minutes uninterrupted. Perhaps the campaign isn't sure they can reign Trump in. It wouldn't be good TV if Trump was muted mid-ramble and/or continued to talk while muted.

And the next debate is a "town hall", whatever that means these days (Zoom?). Having Trump agitated again and trying to interrupt people asking questions would be some next level shitshow.

[theymos]

Hopefully these debates get better. Total win for Biden though as a messy debate helps him. Trump needed a great debate and he didn't get it.

The second presidential debate is likely to be the exact opposite of the first. It's moderated by Steve Scully, "the most patient man on television". Most people are probably imagining that Scully will be even weaker than Wallace, but as someone who's watched hundreds of hours of C-SPAN's Washington Journal over the years, let me assure you that he won't be, by far. Scully has decades of experience in moderating, he's the most active of the C-SPAN hosts at pushing back at callers, and he's the most willing to insert his own bias. His bias is that of someone who's lived in the DC bubble for so long that it's all he can conceive. He's someone who actually thinks that MSNBC journalists are unbiased, that the national security state is staffed entirely with honest actors, that the system made sense and was basically working pre-Trump, etc. While I'm sure that Scully will honestly try to be fair, he is fundamentally biased against everything that Trump stands for, and he will feel duty-bound to moderate him very harshly.

I predict that the second debate will end up breaking into two disjointed pieces: the first will be a raucous debate between Trump and Steve Scully, and the second will be a peaceful, boring townhall between Biden and some citizens, with Trump muted.

[TwitchySeal]

Hopefully these debates get better. Total win for Biden though as a messy debate helps him. Trump needed a great debate and he didn't get it.

The second presidential debate is likely to be the exact opposite of the first. It's moderated by Steve Scully, "the most patient man on television". Most people are probably imagining that Scully will be even weaker than Wallace, but as someone who's watched hundreds of hours of C-SPAN's Washington Journal over the years, let me assure you that he won't be, by far. Scully has decades of experience in moderating, he's the most active of the C-SPAN hosts at pushing back at callers, and he's the most willing to insert his own bias. His bias is that of someone who's lived in the DC bubble for so long that it's all he can conceive. He's someone who actually thinks that MSNBC journalists are unbiased, that the national security state is staffed entirely with honest actors, that the system made sense and was basically working pre-Trump, etc. While I'm sure that Scully will honestly try to be fair, he is fundamentally biased against everything that Trump stands for, and he will feel duty-bound to moderate him very harshly.

I predict that the second debate will end up breaking into two disjointed pieces: the first will be a raucous debate between Trump and Steve Scully, and the second will be a peaceful, boring townhall between Biden and some citizens, with Trump muted.

I predict there won't be a second debate.

The Debate commission has already signaled some sort of format change so that the next one will be more civil.  I imagine this will involve muting a candidate if it's not their turn to speak or if they won't stfu -  Trump won't be a fan and refuse to participate.

[Gyfts]

Hopefully these debates get better. Total win for Biden though as a messy debate helps him. Trump needed a great debate and he didn't get it.

The second presidential debate is likely to be the exact opposite of the first. It's moderated by Steve Scully, "the most patient man on television". Most people are probably imagining that Scully will be even weaker than Wallace, but as someone who's watched hundreds of hours of C-SPAN's Washington Journal over the years, let me assure you that he won't be, by far. Scully has decades of experience in moderating, he's the most active of the C-SPAN hosts at pushing back at callers, and he's the most willing to insert his own bias. His bias is that of someone who's lived in the DC bubble for so long that it's all he can conceive. He's someone who actually thinks that MSNBC journalists are unbiased, that the national security state is staffed entirely with honest actors, that the system made sense and was basically working pre-Trump, etc. While I'm sure that Scully will honestly try to be fair, he is fundamentally biased against everything that Trump stands for, and he will feel duty-bound to moderate him very harshly.

I predict that the second debate will end up breaking into two disjointed pieces: the first will be a raucous debate between Trump and Steve Scully, and the second will be a peaceful, boring townhall between Biden and some citizens, with Trump muted.

I predict there won't be a second debate.

The Debate commission has already signaled some sort of format change so that the next one will be more civil.  I imagine this will involve muting a candidate if it's not their turn to speak or if they won't stfu -  Trump won't be a fan and refuse to participate.

He doesn't have a choice but to participate. Trump checking out of the debate means Biden wins by default. With how much he's down, this isn't a smart campaign strategy.

[TwitchySeal]

Hopefully these debates get better. Total win for Biden though as a messy debate helps him. Trump needed a great debate and he didn't get it.

The second presidential debate is likely to be the exact opposite of the first. It's moderated by Steve Scully, "the most patient man on television". Most people are probably imagining that Scully will be even weaker than Wallace, but as someone who's watched hundreds of hours of C-SPAN's Washington Journal over the years, let me assure you that he won't be, by far. Scully has decades of experience in moderating, he's the most active of the C-SPAN hosts at pushing back at callers, and he's the most willing to insert his own bias. His bias is that of someone who's lived in the DC bubble for so long that it's all he can conceive. He's someone who actually thinks that MSNBC journalists are unbiased, that the national security state is staffed entirely with honest actors, that the system made sense and was basically working pre-Trump, etc. While I'm sure that Scully will honestly try to be fair, he is fundamentally biased against everything that Trump stands for, and he will feel duty-bound to moderate him very harshly.

I predict that the second debate will end up breaking into two disjointed pieces: the first will be a raucous debate between Trump and Steve Scully, and the second will be a peaceful, boring townhall between Biden and some citizens, with Trump muted.

I predict there won't be a second debate.

The Debate commission has already signaled some sort of format change so that the next one will be more civil.  I imagine this will involve muting a candidate if it's not their turn to speak or if they won't stfu -  Trump won't be a fan and refuse to participate.

He doesn't have a choice but to participate. Trump checking out of the debate means Biden wins by default. With how much he's down, this isn't a smart campaign strategy.

Sure he does.  He already laid the ground work last winter when he said he wouldn't participate if he thought it was unfair and complained about the board of the debate commission being never Trumpers.  Plus he's been spreading conspiracy theories about Biden cheating for weeks.  In the end he can make up whatever reason he wants and plenty of voters will either believe him or not care.

[PrimeNumber7]

Trump is down in the polls, and debating is one way that a candidate can climb out of a polling deficit. Trump is not going to not participate in the next debate.

I would note that it was Biden who was telling the President of the United States to “shut up” and calling him a clown. It was also Biden who called Trump “stupid” even though Biden finished last in his class in school, and has a history of plagiarism. 

[dkbit98]

What a joke this debate was if we can call it debate at all!
I don't remember the name of moderator but he did awful job here in controlling both candidates.
Trump doing his usual thing, and Biden trying to act normal and calm.
Both of them are old fossiles not fit for the job, and my conclusion is, if Biden wins he will close America again, and that will hurt everyone in the world.
Let's wait for next debate, but odds are in Bidens favor now.

[jojo69]

[Gyfts]

Sure he does.  He already laid the ground work last winter when he said he wouldn't participate if he thought it was unfair and complained about the board of the debate commission being never Trumpers.  Plus he's been spreading conspiracy theories about Biden cheating for weeks.  In the end he can make up whatever reason he wants and plenty of voters will either believe him or not care.

Some voters might believe it, but Trump and his campaign staff know it's over if he skips out, he has too much to lose.

Trump is down in the polls, and debating is one way that a candidate can climb out of a polling deficit. Trump is not going to not participate in the next debate.

This doesn't make sense though?

If he's down, why wouldn't he want to participate in the debates?

[suchmoon]

Trump is down in the polls, and debating is one way that a candidate can climb out of a polling deficit. Trump is not going to not participate in the next debate.

This doesn't make sense though?

If he's down, why wouldn't he want to participate in the debates?

Are you arguing with a double negative?

Although it doesn't make much sense either way. Trump didn't really help himself in the first debate.