French teacher beheded for anti-sharia teachings

[Tipstar]

A teacher has been brought to justice for encouraging iritdad in a madrasa near Paris. It gives a clear message to the enemy of religion that if they want to live in the people's islamic republic of Europe, they need to follow the sharia law. There's no room for terrorist in the religion of peace and silence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcTux6OtFn0

https://apnews.com/article/france-teacher-decapitated-eragny-f1ecd575344d171ff8fc8c33c5320f0c

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[Renampun]

I am not anti-Islam but this is one of the Islamic doctrines that I hate the most...
wherever they are, they always spread the teachings that others are infidels, so it is necessary to uphold the sharia in every aspect of life, and the worst thing is they do not hesitate to act harshly because they feel the holiest.

[coolcoinz]

The religion of peace strikes again.
At least they say the suspect was shot so no more beheading for him. There are virging goats awaiting him in the afterlife.

[G.Seed]

So I am french...

The truth is a writer has been put to jail in France for his ideas.
This is the important information instead talking about a crazy man.
Hervé Ryssen is in jail.

Because in France, we have absolutely no right to speak against Judaism or "Israël".

Concerning Islam, we have absolutely every right to speak against it in France. A lot of journalist speak every day against Islam and are paid a lot of money to do it with our taxes.

You have to know that occidental countries went to kill and rape in muslim countries. Not the contrary.
Irak, Iran, Palestine, Libya, Syria.

You have to know that terrorist "islamic" groups are paid by occidental countries, including of course "Israël" at a good place.
Terrorist "islamist" group kill about 90% of muslims, 10% of christians, an never attack "Israël", because they are paid and healed by this entity.

If you need some sources of proofs, I can provide it to you but this is quite clear for everyone who is concern by politic in France.

[UmerIdrees]

The religion of peace strikes again.
At least they say the suspect was shot so no more beheading for him. There are virging goats awaiting him in the afterlife.

Islam is the religion of peace and it preaches peace in the world. However incidents like these are condemn by the Islamic teachings and those who are involved in these activities are not muslims or are the one's giving bad names to the muslims.

[Spendulus]

The religion of peace strikes again.
At least they say the suspect was shot so no more beheading for him. There are virging goats awaiting him in the afterlife.

Islam is the religion of peace and it preaches peace in the world. However incidents like these are condemn by the Islamic teachings and those who are involved in these activities are not muslims or are the one's giving bad names to the muslims.

It's unfortunate the number and variety of bad names muslims accumulate.

www.thereligionofpeace.com

[coins4commies]

Why was this being taught in schools?  Was there really nothing secular to teach about? Although its not ok to attack someone for what they express, its also pretty fucking stupid to intentionally provoke an entire religion just for the sake of being offensive.  

Knowing that there are crazy, murderous people out there, using cartoons of the prophet is asking for trouble.  and at what benefit?  Unlike abortions, bikinis, or rebuilding on holy sites, this kind of behavior doesn't even have a use other than pissing people off.

[coolcoinz]

The religion of peace strikes again.
At least they say the suspect was shot so no more beheading for him. There are virging goats awaiting him in the afterlife.

Islam is the religion of peace and it preaches peace in the world.

What about the holy war? Isn't it the idea of the religion of peace? What about virgins awaiting every dead jihadist?
They want peace through war.

However incidents like these are condemn by the Islamic teachings and those who are involved in these activities are not muslims or are the one's giving bad names to the muslims.

Some support it some condemn it, but the truth is that no other religion goes as far to convert people to its teachings. Even if only 10% of Mulslims support jihad, it's stilll too much. While it's widely called the religion of peaace I don't hear about similar acts of violence commited in the name of other religions.

[bryant.coleman]

Why was this being taught in schools?  Was there really nothing secular to teach about? Although its not ok to attack someone for what they express, its also pretty fucking stupid to intentionally provoke an entire religion just for the sake of being offensive.  

Knowing that there are crazy, murderous people out there, using cartoons of the prophet is asking for trouble.  and at what benefit?  Unlike abortions, bikinis, or rebuilding on holy sites, this kind of behavior doesn't even have a use other than pissing people off.

If showing a cartoon offends your religion, then the problem lies with your belief and not with the cartoon itself. France is a secular country, which used to respect the freedom of speech. Now justifying a murder, saying that the victim was "asking for trouble" is unacceptable for me. From what I have seen, Islamists are always on the forefront while claiming the victim card. Just look at the coverage of Uighurs in China and Rohingyas in Myanmar. But they never condemn barbarous atrocities such as this beheading. 

[Gyfts]

Why was this being taught in schools?  Was there really nothing secular to teach about? Although its not ok to attack someone for what they express, its also pretty fucking stupid to intentionally provoke an entire religion just for the sake of being offensive.  

Knowing that there are crazy, murderous people out there, using cartoons of the prophet is asking for trouble.  and at what benefit?  Unlike abortions, bikinis, or rebuilding on holy sites, this kind of behavior doesn't even have a use other than pissing people off.

If showing a cartoon offends your religion, then the problem lies with your belief and not with the cartoon itself. France is a secular country, which used to respect the freedom of speech. Now justifying a murder, saying that the victim was "asking for trouble" is unacceptable for me. From what I have seen, Islamists are always on the forefront while claiming the victim card. Just look at the coverage of Uighurs in China and Rohingyas in Myanmar. But they never condemn barbarous atrocities such as this beheading. 

Muslims aren't the victims in China? Forced sterilization in concentration camps make you a victim, unless you're saying that they deserve to be there.

Islam has plenty of issues and their ideals are not aligned at all with western values. That doesn't justify grouping them and putting them through torture. You can find drone footage of Chinese soldiers lining them up and hauling them away in trains, practically identical to Nazi Germany. Go to the extremes of any religion and you'll find plenty of apologists. I think Islam ranks #1 in that regard because extremism is seen too often and you'll find people that take extremism very lightly (or at worst, justifiable).

Again, absolutely NONE of this justifies concentration camps and China should absolutely be condemned for doing so. Those people are the victims.

[tvbcof]

A teacher has been brought to justice for encouraging iritdad in a madrasa near Paris. It gives a clear message to the enemy of religion that if they want to live in the people's islamic republic of Europe, they need to follow the sharia law. There's no room for terrorist in the religion of peace and silence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcTux6OtFn0

https://apnews.com/article/france-teacher-decapitated-eragny-f1ecd575344d171ff8fc8c33c5320f0c

'Islam is the broom of Israel'.  Scrubbed from Jewtube for obvious reasons.  They are going after Bitchute hard now, and I doubt that Bitchute will hold out for to long.  We'll see.

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/us3BImSU2vnN/

[KaneVWE]

Why was this being taught in schools?  Was there really nothing secular to teach about? Although its not ok to attack someone for what they express, its also pretty fucking stupid to intentionally provoke an entire religion just for the sake of being offensive.  

Knowing that there are crazy, murderous people out there, using cartoons of the prophet is asking for trouble.  and at what benefit?  Unlike abortions, bikinis, or rebuilding on holy sites, this kind of behavior doesn't even have a use other than pissing people off.

If showing a cartoon offends your religion, then the problem lies with your belief and not with the cartoon itself. France is a secular country, which used to respect the freedom of speech. Now justifying a murder, saying that the victim was "asking for trouble" is unacceptable for me. From what I have seen, Islamists are always on the forefront while claiming the victim card. Just look at the coverage of Uighurs in China and Rohingyas in Myanmar. But they never condemn barbarous atrocities such as this beheading. 

Muslims aren't the victims in China? Forced sterilization in concentration camps make you a victim, unless you're saying that they deserve to be there.

Islam has plenty of issues and their ideals are not aligned at all with western values. That doesn't justify grouping them and putting them through torture. You can find drone footage of Chinese soldiers lining them up and hauling them away in trains, practically identical to Nazi Germany. Go to the extremes of any religion and you'll find plenty of apologists. I think Islam ranks #1 in that regard because extremism is seen too often and you'll find people that take extremism very lightly (or at worst, justifiable).

Again, absolutely NONE of this justifies concentration camps and China should absolutely be condemned for doing so. Those people are the victims.

He wasn't saying that.
Just like the camps don't justify the beheading. Or is the teacher not a victim.

In western society you don't get to decapitate people for saying words or for showing cartoons.
In the middle east that may be okay.

Don't like western society rules = don't go there
Don't like middle eastern rules = don't go there

[Dorodha]

Capital of northwest Paris suburb on Friday, killing the attacker was shot dead by police within minutes of his controversial cartoons about the Prophet of Islam had shown that students khabarapharasi President Emmanuel myakram karechenami visited. Macron said the teacher was killed because he was teaching "freedom of expression." The name of the deceased has not been released yet. There is no need to make Sharia about religion there is nothing to do with the doctrine of the one who will follow the religion.

[Gyfts]

Why was this being taught in schools?  Was there really nothing secular to teach about? Although its not ok to attack someone for what they express, its also pretty fucking stupid to intentionally provoke an entire religion just for the sake of being offensive.  

Knowing that there are crazy, murderous people out there, using cartoons of the prophet is asking for trouble.  and at what benefit?  Unlike abortions, bikinis, or rebuilding on holy sites, this kind of behavior doesn't even have a use other than pissing people off.

If showing a cartoon offends your religion, then the problem lies with your belief and not with the cartoon itself. France is a secular country, which used to respect the freedom of speech. Now justifying a murder, saying that the victim was "asking for trouble" is unacceptable for me. From what I have seen, Islamists are always on the forefront while claiming the victim card. Just look at the coverage of Uighurs in China and Rohingyas in Myanmar. But they never condemn barbarous atrocities such as this beheading. 

Muslims aren't the victims in China? Forced sterilization in concentration camps make you a victim, unless you're saying that they deserve to be there.

Islam has plenty of issues and their ideals are not aligned at all with western values. That doesn't justify grouping them and putting them through torture. You can find drone footage of Chinese soldiers lining them up and hauling them away in trains, practically identical to Nazi Germany. Go to the extremes of any religion and you'll find plenty of apologists. I think Islam ranks #1 in that regard because extremism is seen too often and you'll find people that take extremism very lightly (or at worst, justifiable).

Again, absolutely NONE of this justifies concentration camps and China should absolutely be condemned for doing so. Those people are the victims.

He wasn't saying that.
Just like the camps don't justify the beheading. Or is the teacher not a victim.

In western society you don't get to decapitate people for saying words or for showing cartoons.
In the middle east that may be okay.

Don't like western society rules = don't go there
Don't like middle eastern rules = don't go there

There are plenty of ways of religious extremists tryin to play the victim in order to justify their radicalism, I just don't think the China situation is anything but innocent people being tortured. No one should be violent against anyone freely expressing themselves, obviously.

We've seen this sort of terror attack happen before - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting Something like this is unique to Islam and it's insane. The religion is not westernized at all, so I would never make an argument saying otherwise.

[coins4commies]

I wasn't saying the murder was justified.  Just because something is wrong and illegal, doesn't make it wise to provoke it.  Kind of like how it'd be pretty dumb to go up to the buff guy in the gym and start talking shit and say you slept with her wife but she was bad in bed.  He doesn't "get to" beat the shit out of you but if you go around doing that everyday, you know what will eventually happen so why do it?

Why do people find joy in fucking with muslims just because they "get to" do it?

[Jet Cash]

Why are muslims so frightened of discussion or criticism of their religion?

[tvbcof]

Why are muslims so frightened of discussion or criticism of their religion?

Most are (including Atheists.)  Seems that only a particular 'chosen' group have the political power to outlaw and criminalize criticism of their religion in Western countries which are (quite laughably) reported to have 'freedom of speech'.

[Febo]

That was an insane news I read this morning. Crazy people live everywhere. I guess it is simple luck to survive. How will teachers react now is another story. Will be interesting to see if they will make a step back.

[cabron]

Why are muslims so frightened of discussion or criticism of their religion?

It's against any religion to put their gods in vain, particularly for Muslims, they don't allow Idolatry by which means any images of their gods including statue or images. This is why Talibans bombed those statues. For regular Muslims, they put it in hearts and if they don't do that to any gods like Christ, anyone should also don't do it to their god or the messiah-like Muhamad.

This is why there shouldn't be a religion at all and just pure business like the Chinese who just believe in Fengshui  

[Spendulus]

So I am french...
.....
You have to know that terrorist "islamic" groups are paid by occidental countries, including of course "Israël" at a good place.
Terrorist "islamist" group kill about 90% of muslims, 10% of christians, an never attack "Israël", because they are paid and healed by this entity......

It'd be significant if, say the Iranian mullahs came out publicly against these silly, stupid, extremist actions such as the beheadings.

But they won't.

And the same for the Saudi religious leaders.

By the way, your attempting to lecture on islamic extremism falls very flat. Have a nice day!

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Why are muslims so frightened of discussion or criticism of their religion?

I have always been curious how this all comes down.

A Wanna-be-Beheader finds someone with cartoons about Mohammed.

How does he know those are cartoons about the "islamic leader of 7th century?"

They could be about any old Mohammed. It's a very common name. A lot of times, the cartoon will just have a fierce looking dude with a head wrap. Could possibly not even be Islam. Some other religious sects do that also.

What's the punishment for the Beheader who wrongly beheads? What does he think, if he made a mistake?

[BADecker]

A teacher has been brought to justice for encouraging iritdad in a madrasa near Paris. It gives a clear message to the enemy of religion that if they want to live in the people's islamic republic of Europe, they need to follow the sharia law. There's no room for terrorist in the religion of peace and silence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcTux6OtFn0

https://apnews.com/article/france-teacher-decapitated-eragny-f1ecd575344d171ff8fc8c33c5320f0c

Good thing they beheaded him peacefully. We wouldn't want to give the wrong impression about the religion of peace, right?

[squatz1]

This whole story is REALLY horrible. Anti-Sharia teaching wasn't even something as horrible as like -- the teacher saying that Islam is a horrible religion or anything along those lines -- the teacher was teaching a lesson about freedom of expression in regards to civics. In that lesson, he showed his students cartoons from Charlie Hebdo which show cartoons of Muhammad which are blasphemous in the Islamic culture / religion.

Guy was trying to teach a lesson on civics and freedom of expression. He was killed for it. That's TRULY horrible. It's just tough to think of an answer forward for this.

[bryant.coleman]

Muslims aren't the victims in China? Forced sterilization in concentration camps make you a victim, unless you're saying that they deserve to be there.

Islam has plenty of issues and their ideals are not aligned at all with western values. That doesn't justify grouping them and putting them through torture. You can find drone footage of Chinese soldiers lining them up and hauling them away in trains, practically identical to Nazi Germany. Go to the extremes of any religion and you'll find plenty of apologists. I think Islam ranks #1 in that regard because extremism is seen too often and you'll find people that take extremism very lightly (or at worst, justifiable).

Again, absolutely NONE of this justifies concentration camps and China should absolutely be condemned for doing so. Those people are the victims.

The topic here is the beheading of the teacher in Paris and not the sterilization campaign in China. I was just saying that I see a lot of pro-Uighur campaigns in the social media. I was pointing out to the fact that very few of the Islamist organizations have come out against the beheading, although they were very vocal about the Uighur issue. 

I don't have much interest on what is happening in China. There may be some isolated incidents that are overhyped, but I am not interested. The last time I checked, the proportion of Uighurs have increased in Xinjiang with every census.

[yazher]

The religion of peace strikes again.
At least they say the suspect was shot so no more beheading for him. There are virging goats awaiting him in the afterlife.

Islam is the religion of peace and it preaches peace in the world. However incidents like these are condemn by the Islamic teachings and those who are involved in these activities are not muslims or are the one's giving bad names to the muslims.

People who are involved in such acts are Muslims but have less knowledge of their religion. The one who made that cartoon should be punished from the start because they will trigger such people to do something such as this incident. because their knowledge of Islam is not yet full. therefore, they really need to be aware of this kind of scenario from ignorant Muslims. However, if those cartoonists just leave every religious thing and focus to make cartoons for the kids, this kind of incident wouldn't have happened.

[Salauddin1994]

The importance of education in islam is immense childhood and adolescence are the foundation of education children can easily master everything due to clear intellect healthy intellect simple thinking and clear attention for good reason their teaching methods are also exceptional. While teaching secularism in class the cleric presented a cartoon of hazrat mohammad an anti-religious act in front of the students these are forbidden in all religions and no one will dare to do so.

[mu_enrico]

People who are involved in such acts are Muslims but have less knowledge of their religion.

How come? Is the book says so?

The one who made that cartoon should be punished from the start because they will trigger such people to do something such as this incident.

So the cartoonist should be punished for criticizing or mocking religion?

I've been saying that religion is not the source of human morality for decades, so if you guys want your kids to be good, you should teach them about morality first, then religion. So they will think twice if morality says one thing, and the book says another thing.

[yazher]

The importance of education in islam is immense childhood and adolescence are the foundation of education children can easily master everything due to clear intellect healthy intellect simple thinking and clear attention for good reason their teaching methods are also exceptional. While teaching secularism in class the cleric presented a cartoon of hazrat mohammad an anti-religious act in front of the students these are forbidden in all religions and no one will dare to do so.

As you can see, no Muslims have ever mock Jesus ever, in fact, we cannot become Muslim if we don't love Jesus the Prophet of God. This is also the teachings of the Quran where you cannot mock Jesus because he is one of the Prophet of God. but those cartoonist has done something evil to the sight of those people and made this result to themselves.

This has been done before when Terry Jones had declared to burn the Quran on a specific date and made the people in Libya to attack the US embassy and sadly killed the US ambassador. the result of which the Pastor did.

[Spendulus]

...

This has been done before when Terry Jones had declared to burn the Quran on a specific date and made the people in Libya to attack the US embassy and sadly killed the US ambassador. the result of which the Pastor did.

Except that really wasn't what happened there, was it?

Initial analysis by the CIA, repeated by top government officials, indicated that the attack spontaneously arose from a protest. Subsequent investigations showed that the attack was premeditated—although rioters and looters not originally part of the group may have joined in after the attacks began.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack

[G.Seed]

So I am french...
.....
You have to know that terrorist "islamic" groups are paid by occidental countries, including of course "Israël" at a good place.
Terrorist "islamist" group kill about 90% of muslims, 10% of christians, an never attack "Israël", because they are paid and healed by this entity......

It'd be significant if, say the Iranian mullahs came out publicly against these silly, stupid, extremist actions such as the beheadings.

If you want Iran to react because a silly man killed a teacher in France, you re silly stupid and extremist.
Iran never attacked any country this last century.
Talk about your shitty "united states of america" that drinks children blood.
They do really mean wars, they kill children, they rape women, Iran does not.

This whole story is REALLY horrible. Anti-Sharia teaching wasn't even something as horrible as like -- the teacher saying that Islam is a horrible religion or anything along those lines -- the teacher was teaching a lesson about freedom of expression in regards to civics.

No.
The teacher was not talking about freedom of speech. Because there is absolutely not freedom of speech in France
If the teacher was really talking about freedom of speech in France, he would be put in jail as people who are really talking about freedom of speech.
For example Hervé Ryssen is in jail in France for his ideas.
All the journalist against Islam in France are not in jail, they are paid a lot of money.

[Spendulus]

So I am french...
.....
You have to know that terrorist "islamic" groups are paid by occidental countries, including of course "Israël" at a good place.
Terrorist "islamist" group kill about 90% of muslims, 10% of christians, an never attack "Israël", because they are paid and healed by this entity......

It'd be significant if, say the Iranian mullahs came out publicly against these silly, stupid, extremist actions such as the beheadings.

If you want Iran to react because a silly man killed a teacher in France, you re silly stupid and extremist.

Didn't think they would.

But if Iran doesn't, they leave it open for the Saudis to say the things that should be said. Fine with me either way.

[Spendulus]

The religion of peace strikes again.
At least they say the suspect was shot so no more beheading for him. There are virging goats awaiting him in the afterlife.

Islam is the religion of peace and it preaches peace in the world. However incidents like these are condemn by the Islamic teachings and those who are involved in these activities are not muslims or are the one's giving bad names to the muslims.

People who are involved in such acts are Muslims but have less knowledge of their religion. The one who made that cartoon should be punished from the start because they will trigger such people to do something such as this incident. because their knowledge of Islam is not yet full. therefore, they really need to be aware of this kind of scenario from ignorant Muslims. However, if those cartoonists just leave every religious thing and focus to make cartoons for the kids, this kind of incident wouldn't have happened.

This is the same kind of twisted thinking that creates atrocities like honor killings.

[bryant.coleman]

As you can see, no Muslims have ever mock Jesus ever, in fact, we cannot become Muslim if we don't love Jesus the Prophet of God. This is also the teachings of the Quran where you cannot mock Jesus because he is one of the Prophet of God. but those cartoonist has done something evil to the sight of those people and made this result to themselves.

No need to elaborate this much. Just answer a simple question. Do you believe that if someone draws a picture of your god, he needs to be killed? Or do you believe that if someone kills that person, the death is justified?

I have seen critics doing much worse to other religions. In India, one Muslim painter draw one of the holiest Hindu goddesses completely naked. In return, he was awarded civilian awards by Muslim nations such as Qatar and Saudi Arabia. So what you want to say is that, it is OK for Muslims to abuse other religions, but it is not right for someone to draw a cartoon which relates to your religion.

[guigui371]

I have seen critics doing much worse to other religions. In India, one Muslim painter draw one of the holiest Hindu goddesses completely naked. In return, he was awarded civilian awards by Muslim nations such as Qatar and Saudi Arabia. So what you want to say is that, it is OK for Muslims to abuse other religions, but it is not right for someone to draw a cartoon which relates to your religion.

Are you talking about painter MF Husain ?
https://qz.com/india/505331/why-mf-husain-painted-hindu-figures-but-not-muslim-ones-in-the-nude/

He has an arabic name but he is Indian

Husain was familiar with Hindu mythology from his childhood, having been born in the pilgrimage town of Pandharpur and watched Ram Leela performances frequently while growing up in Indore

Before the 1990s, nobody suggested he was insulting the faith. Quite the contrary, he seemed the embodiment of India’s syncretic culture. His art, always celebratory in contrast with the despair, violence, and gloominess of much modernism, has always seemed to me to be imbued with the festive spirit of Hinduism. And yet, in his 81st year, Husain was targeted by right-wing Hindu groups for supposedly insulting their faith, a charge that was to hound him till the end of his life, leading ultimately to his leaving the country he cherished.

[cabron]

The teachings still can't justify beheading, they can just make fun of the teacher like the Jalal Prank and just give him a warning about it than killing him by heading though. 

However there is no law about people making fun of Muhamad, is there?
Most people are not aware of the culture and beliefs of other religions which is why this is always going to keep happening. I don't know why think no one will even make fun of their God actually.

[Spendulus]

The teachings still can't justify beheading, they can just make fun of the teacher like the Jalal Prank and just give him a warning about it than killing him by heading though. 

However there is no law about people making fun of Muhamad, is there?
Most people are not aware of the culture and beliefs of other religions which is why this is always going to keep happening. I don't know why think no one will even make fun of their God actually.

But Mohammed is not the God.

The idea here is that making fun of the "messenger" is a bad thing.

Is there a law prohibiting making fun of Mohammed? I suppose so, in Islamic theocracies.

[bryant.coleman]

The teachings still can't justify beheading, they can just make fun of the teacher like the Jalal Prank and just give him a warning about it than killing him by heading though. 

However there is no law about people making fun of Muhamad, is there?
Most people are not aware of the culture and beliefs of other religions which is why this is always going to keep happening. I don't know why think no one will even make fun of their God actually.

If they feel so offended, then why do they migrate in such huge numbers to secular countries such as France? They should remain in their own countries, where saying anything against Islam is punishable by death. What do they want to do next? Demolish the Notre Dame de Paris or the Reims Cathedral, just like what they did to the Buddha statues in Bamiyan (Afghanistan)?

[Gyfts]

Muslims aren't the victims in China? Forced sterilization in concentration camps make you a victim, unless you're saying that they deserve to be there.

Islam has plenty of issues and their ideals are not aligned at all with western values. That doesn't justify grouping them and putting them through torture. You can find drone footage of Chinese soldiers lining them up and hauling them away in trains, practically identical to Nazi Germany. Go to the extremes of any religion and you'll find plenty of apologists. I think Islam ranks #1 in that regard because extremism is seen too often and you'll find people that take extremism very lightly (or at worst, justifiable).

Again, absolutely NONE of this justifies concentration camps and China should absolutely be condemned for doing so. Those people are the victims.

The topic here is the beheading of the teacher in Paris and not the sterilization campaign in China. I was just saying that I see a lot of pro-Uighur campaigns in the social media. I was pointing out to the fact that very few of the Islamist organizations have come out against the beheading, although they were very vocal about the Uighur issue. 

I don't have much interest on what is happening in China. There may be some isolated incidents that are overhyped, but I am not interested. The last time I checked, the proportion of Uighurs have increased in Xinjiang with every census.

But you mentioned victimization and cited that Muslims talk about China and Uighurs Muslims? Yes, Islamists will play victim often times to justify extremism. But what's going on in China makes them victims so it's not a good example.

The muslim community in France was pretty pissed off at Macron for targeting mosques that French intel communities had deemed to have been harboring terrorist activity. This would be a good example of playing victim. Some muslims are quick to condemn terrorist activity, and too many aren't. You go to online communities of Muslims and they seem more upset about the perception this creates oppose to strongly condemning and rejecting radicalism. They don't offer condolences to the victim either.

[tvbcof]

If they feel so offended, then why do they migrate in such huge numbers to secular countries such as France? They should remain in their own countries, where saying anything against Islam is punishable by death.

Why stay in your own shithole country when someone is giving you a free ticket to a place where someone else (like Macron and his ilk) will give you welfare for life.  It's a no-brainer.

What do they want to do next? Demolish the Notre Dame de Paris or the Reims Cathedral, just like what they did to the Buddha statues in Bamiyan (Afghanistan)?

Looks like someone else beat them to it:

https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/rabbi-says-notre-dame-burned-because-the-talmud-was-burned/245256

From what I can tell, Muslims don't have much reason to hate Christians very much and in fact to not.  Jesus was not a problem for them and he is fairly well respected.  On the other hand Jesus Christ totally fucked up the sweet little deal that the Talmudics (then known as keepers of the 'oral Torah' aka the Pharisees) had going where they screwed people over on exchange rates for special sacrificial sheep and so on.  Jesus's prediction about their second temple ('not one stone standing upon another') was dead on, and they blame him for it.  Scratch the surface of this stuff a little and you find that the Orthodox Jews hate Christianity like there is no tomorrow!

As for the 'radicals' who are defacing every other religion's figures, it looks to me as though there is a particular guiding hand to their activities.  I say that in part by having studied the 'radicals' who are active in Syria in particular over the years.

[Mauser]

Islamic fundamentalist are still a big problem in Europe. So far the European governments can't really deal with them or stop the radicalisation. In my opinion social media is the problem here. Terrorist can easily reach people all around the world and distribute propaganda. Just thus morning I read an article that Facebook can't control its website. Pictures of the dead teacher with his head cut off are circulating on Facebook and many users write positive comments towards the terrorist. Such behaviour needs to be banned and people who violate it should be held accountable. Otherwise the risk of young extremists trying to do something similar will just increase.

[akram143]

Muslim is terrorism that is what the stereotype we got when we hear the word Islam or muslim. But at the end of the day everyone is human and got the same blood then how people differenciate with the things which are actually made to make the people live together.

[tvbcof]

Islamic fundamentalist are still a big problem in Europe. So far the European governments can't really deal with them or stop the radicalisation. In my opinion social media is the problem here. Terrorist can easily reach people all around the world and distribute propaganda. Just thus morning I read an article that Facebook can't control its website. Pictures of the dead teacher with his head cut off are circulating on Facebook and many users write positive comments towards the terrorist. Such behaviour needs to be banned and people who violate it should be held accountable. Otherwise the risk of young extremists trying to do something similar will just increase.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/12/08/the-taliban-indoctrinates-kids-with-jihadist-textbooks-paid-for-by-the-u-s/

Justifies 'banning such behaviour' on the internets which, of course, requires a framework to do so.  Who could have imagined?

[BADecker]

^^^ This is the problem. People want freedom. Some want freedom to kill others. Some want freedom to ban information. Others want freedom to do just the opposite.

The only thing that makes sense, so that everybody can get freedom is, everybody and anybody can do anything and everything that he wants, as long as he doesn't harm another person, or damage another person's property.

But if somebody harms another person, or damages another person's property, that someone must be required to repay for the harm and damages. "Eye for eye; tooth for tooth; hand for hand; life for life."

Nothing else will work to make society livable.

[squatz1]

Islamic fundamentalist are still a big problem in Europe. So far the European governments can't really deal with them or stop the radicalisation. In my opinion social media is the problem here. Terrorist can easily reach people all around the world and distribute propaganda. Just thus morning I read an article that Facebook can't control its website. Pictures of the dead teacher with his head cut off are circulating on Facebook and many users write positive comments towards the terrorist. Such behaviour needs to be banned and people who violate it should be held accountable. Otherwise the risk of young extremists trying to do something similar will just increase.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/12/08/the-taliban-indoctrinates-kids-with-jihadist-textbooks-paid-for-by-the-u-s/

Justifies 'banning such behaviour' on the internets which, of course, requires a framework to do so.  Who could have imagined?

Just to go aside to the point you're making and your source for a second, when the US begun funding textbook for Afghani children that had anti soviet material in it, and during the cold war it made sense for the US to try to get the people under their rule to revolt (or at least, the people that were trying to take them over) At the time they liked jihad behavior because it led to issues for the soviets.

They laid the groundwork for this issue. The textbooks they sent to Afghanistan were copied by the Talibian and are still in a bit of circulation today.

[mu_enrico]

From what I can tell, Muslims don't have much reason to hate Christians very much

Well, it depends on how much they take the book literally. For example, Surah 9:123 can be used/interpreted in many ways. If you have a good family and your parents teach you about morality, you will have a good conscience to reject this passage's hateful interpretation.

Don't get me wrong, both Christian and Islam have a book that contains violence. The difference is, Christian seems don't take their book too literally (CMIIW). PS: I'm just a pundit, and this is what I observe.

[sensitivedeal]

christianity  was almost the same thing like islamic religion when the old testament is being followed but now the new testament brought grace, So I am praying that one day the era of grace will also emerge in islamic religion.

[Saltius]

Why was this being taught in schools?  Was there really nothing secular to teach about? Although its not ok to attack someone for what they express, its also pretty fucking stupid to intentionally provoke an entire religion just for the sake of being offensive.  

Knowing that there are crazy, murderous people out there, using cartoons of the prophet is asking for trouble.  and at what benefit?  Unlike abortions, bikinis, or rebuilding on holy sites, this kind of behavior doesn't even have a use other than pissing people off.

If showing a cartoon offends your religion, then the problem lies with your belief and not with the cartoon itself. France is a secular country, which used to respect the freedom of speech. Now justifying a murder, saying that the victim was "asking for trouble" is unacceptable for me. From what I have seen, Islamists are always on the forefront while claiming the victim card. Just look at the coverage of Uighurs in China and Rohingyas in Myanmar. But they never condemn barbarous atrocities such as this beheading. 

Muslims aren't the victims in China? Forced sterilization in concentration camps make you a victim, unless you're saying that they deserve to be there.

Islam has plenty of issues and their ideals are not aligned at all with western values. That doesn't justify grouping them and putting them through torture. You can find drone footage of Chinese soldiers lining them up and hauling them away in trains, practically identical to Nazi Germany. Go to the extremes of any religion and you'll find plenty of apologists. I think Islam ranks #1 in that regard because extremism is seen too often and you'll find people that take extremism very lightly (or at worst, justifiable).

Again, absolutely NONE of this justifies concentration camps and China should absolutely be condemned for doing so. Those people are the victims.

Maybe one day you will find they just deserve some camps or whatever form other people call them. Hope that would not be too late.
China's camps may be some sort of violation of human right. But I think democratic countries should have the ability to build better camps than China.

US once built Japanese internment camps During WWII, FYI.

[Tipstar]

Talking about camps, here's a look out on a camp captured by anti-jihadi forces in Syria.
Thousands of teenage jihadi brides and to be brides as well as to be jihadi fighters and bomb detonators are being held hostage.
We want them to reach on their target destinations, I mean the country they came from in Europe and around the world without any conditions.
Sky News did a good job spreading what the world needs to hear. If you don't obey us, We're going to slaughter you.
Don't pretend that we didn't warned you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW_7me1Nj7w

[Zilon]

This is an awkward mentality. This evil practice is so inhuman. How on earth will an imperfect man cast judgment on his fellow human based on a law that adds no value to human existence. Fine if we go by the law will the judge and the executioner be found blameless. We allowed religion crip badly into our world and has made life so unbearable for our fellow inhabitants. I think its high time most of this wicked prsctices be abolished for the security of each and every one of us.

Assuming this woman was to be the imams daughter will she have faced similar judgment. Let do things with the mindset that we all aren't perfect and man has the right to judge his fellow man no matter what his religious beliefs are.

[G.Seed]

Talking about camps, here's a look out on a camp captured by anti-jihadi forces in Syria.
Thousands of teenage jihadi brides and to be brides as well as to be jihadi fighters and bomb detonators are being held hostage.
We want them to reach on their target destinations, I mean the country they came from in Europe and around the world without any conditions.
Sky News did a good job spreading what the world needs to hear. If you don't obey us, We're going to slaughter you.
Don't pretend that we didn't warned you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW_7me1Nj7w

"If you don't obey us, We're going to slaughter you."

They are very kind if they warn before doing it.
"Israël" and USA have slaughtered a lot of children, but they have never warned before.



Thank you "Israël", warn us next time...

Anyway, you probably know "Israël" financed at least 12 "jihadist" groups in Syria. You probably know that is why those groups never attack "Israël" ?

Why don't you talk about people who pay terrorists ? Isn't it relevant ?
Is it because you have interest to support "Israël" ?
Please give an answer, don't be a coward. Thank you.

[Fortify]

Most religions seem to be fairly benign, but this religion is definitely causing a lot more violence and aggression than any other. It is sad that so many of these people have fled dysfunctional and abusive countries, but have failed to integrate into a much fairer society. Instead of seeing a system that works and adopting it, they would rather try to enforce their broken ethical beliefs on others around them. The sooner religion is minimized through extensive education, the better.

[Gyfts]

...

Any sources for this? Israel is the only democracy in the region, not like they don't have rockets flying over by radical extremist that make up Hamas. Who the hell cares who they fund, even if what you're saying happens to be true.

[UmerIdrees]

Most religions seem to be fairly benign, but this religion is definitely causing a lot more violence and aggression than any other.

You need to better increase your knowledge first. What is India doing with Kashmir's for last 20 years and why is Israel killing Palestinians  and many
neighboring Islamic countries for last many years ?  India, Israel and even US are creating more violence's in the world than the Muslims.

[Twinkledoe]

This is an awkward mentality. This evil practice is so inhuman. How on earth will an imperfect man cast judgment on his fellow human based on a law that adds no value to human existence. Fine if we go by the law will the judge and the executioner be found blameless. We allowed religion crip badly into our world and has made life so unbearable for our fellow inhabitants. I think its high time most of this wicked prsctices be abolished for the security of each and every one of us.

Assuming this woman was to be the imams daughter will she have faced similar judgment. Let do things with the mindset that we all aren't perfect and man has the right to judge his fellow man no matter what his religious beliefs are.

I thought Dark Age was already over in human existence. This kind of situation should not be happening anymore. Religion will always be a part of us, but should not be the cause of someone else's pain anymore. This is very saddening that you will still be persecuted because of your religious beliefs. Can we just have freedom when it comes to this part of humanity?

[G.Seed]

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Any sources for this?

Yes I can provide you sources.
Israël slaughtered a lot of children :
https://www.countthekids.org/
Here you have the reality about which side is the more violent.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200716-remembering-israels-killing-of-four-children-on-the-beach-in-gaza/
Here you have the proof that Israël does not kill to defend but to terrorize.

If you don't care about arabs and you think they are like monkeys I can show you that Israël attacked USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

They attacked USA, they wanted to accuse Egypt to have a valid pretext to attack them.
Isn't it absolutely disgusting ?
There is no debate about this.
How can USA maintain alliance and give billion of dollars to such ugly traitors ?
Are they dogs or something ?
A lot of american citizen work hard all day long, and sleep on their cars because they have no house and USA give bilions of dollars every years to traitors ?
Are they stupid ?

Israel is the only democracy in the region

When you talk about democracy, are you talking about REAL democracy like in Athens in ancient times ?
Or are you talking about this shitty system when lobbies buy politicians.
USA does not work for American people, AIPAC (I mean the jewish lobby) owns USA and they are proud of this.
It is the same for France with the CRIF (french equivalent of AIPAC).
Are you so proud of this "democratic" system?
Choosing between jewish cocksucker Trump and jewish cocksucker Biden is your definition of democracy ? Really ?

not like they don't have rockets flying over by radical extremist that make up Hamas.

Thank you to let me talk about Hamas.

First: as I already showed you "Israël" army kills way more than Hamas.
Second : Hamas is a creation of "Israël" in order to give them a better image and justify their crimes.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

At the beginning, Palestinian resistance included a lot of christians (for obvious reasons, a christian cannot obey to those who betrayed Jesus)
that was a problem for Israël because they wanted to steal the money from occidental countries (USA, Canada, France, Germany ...) and those countries are more or less christians.
So they needed to create and evil terrorist "islamic" group.

Who the hell cares who they fund, even if what you're saying happens to be true.

We should absolutely care who fund who, this is the major key to understand what happens in the Middle East and in the world.
We should understand that yes, "Israël" is a false flag specialist, yes "Israël" creates "islamic" terrorist groups.
If we understand that, we can understand why those terrorist groups are killing muslims and christians but never attack "Israël".
And we can understand the interest of those who want a war between christians and muslims like in France Zemmour or Goldnadel, we can understand that it is the interest of "Israël" to see muslims and christians one against the other.

[bryant.coleman]

Most religions seem to be fairly benign, but this religion is definitely causing a lot more violence and aggression than any other.

You need to better increase your knowledge first. What is India doing with Kashmir's for last 20 years and why is Israel killing Palestinians  and many
neighboring Islamic countries for last many years ?  India, Israel and even US are creating more violence's in the world than the Muslims.

I am a regular visitor to India and I have family connections there.

India treats its Muslim minority better than any of the 50 plus Muslim nations treat their non-Muslim minorities. Muslim population in India has increased from 9% in 1951 to 15% in 2011. Almost all the religion-based violence in India has been directed towards Hindus, either by Muslims (Kashmir, Bengal) or by Christians (Mizoram, Nagaland.etc). There are regions in India, where Hindus have been completely exterminated, such as Kashmir, Mewat and Mizoram.

Despite all this, Muslims play an important role in Indian politics and bureaucracy. Muslims have been at the top-most posts in India, including that of the president and the CJI.

Now let's compare the condition of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh. In Bangladesh, the Hindu population has gone down from 28% to 8% in two generations. Hardly any Hindus remain in Pakistan. Cities such as Karachi and Lahore, which had Hindu majorities in 1947, no longer have any significant Hindu population.

[UmerIdrees]

India treats its Muslim minority better than any of the 50 plus Muslim nations treat their non-Muslim minorities. Muslim population in India has increased from 9% in 1951 to 15% in 2011.

There are around 8 million Hindu in Pakistan which is around 4% of the Pakistani population
You cannot deny the Violence against Muslims in India

There are regions in India, where Hindus have been completely exterminated, such as Kashmir, Mewat and Mizoram.

Kashmir is not the region of India, it's disputed territory on where India Abuses Human rights in Jammu and Kashmir.

I am sure you are not aware of Discrimination Against Muslims under India’s New Citizenship Policy

[squatz1]

From what I can tell, Muslims don't have much reason to hate Christians very much

Well, it depends on how much they take the book literally. For example, Surah 9:123 can be used/interpreted in many ways. If you have a good family and your parents teach you about morality, you will have a good conscience to reject this passage's hateful interpretation.

Don't get me wrong, both Christian and Islam have a book that contains violence. The difference is, Christian seems don't take their book too literally (CMIIW). PS: I'm just a pundit, and this is what I observe.

Seems insane to think that anti-sharia teachings are really something that people are WILLING TO KILL OVER. I'd have to say that as a Catholic, I do not think that we have anything that rises to that occasion that would be enforced by anyone.

Even like, being a homosexual isn't something that even extremists Christians will kill you over.

Really, really insane.

[coins4commies]

None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity. 

[tvbcof]

None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity. 

What is the most recent example you can think of?

[squatz1]

None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity. 

What is the most recent example you can think of?

Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO"

Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY.

[Mauser]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/12/08/the-taliban-indoctrinates-kids-with-jihadist-textbooks-paid-for-by-the-u-s/

Justifies 'banning such behaviour' on the internets which, of course, requires a framework to do so.  Who could have imagined?

As always the US makes more enemies with their actions in the long run. I agree we need tougher laws in the west to regulate propaganda on the internet. But people are so scared of the police and to give up freedom when being online. Almost everyone has a mobile phone and access to the internet these days. We need a tradeoff between being independent and have freedom online to being able to prosecute the people who post hateful things online. There should be a real punishment for these people.

[Tipstar]

You might have heard about the new beheading in Nice
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/one-person-killed-after-knife-attack-in-nice-france

But don't worry about it. You can't blame the whole religion for any one person that goes on beheading people. Such activities are common and there's nothing to be surprised of. It's part of the culture. Beheading, stoning, public whipping, french people should get used to it. After all France is a place for personal freedom.

[Gyfts]

You might have heard about the new beheading in Nice
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/one-person-killed-after-knife-attack-in-nice-france

But don't worry about it. You can't blame the whole religion for any one person that goes on beheading people. Such activities are common and there's nothing to be surprised of. It's part of the culture. Beheading, stoning, public whipping, french people should get used to it. After all France is a place for personal freedom.

Death count was updated to 3 apparently. One guy with a knife beheads a woman while screaming "allahu akbar". France is going to deal with Islamists through a counter-terrorism insurgency, aka government surveillance like they did in the U.S. post 9/11.

[G.Seed]

None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity. 

What is the most recent example you can think of?

Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO"

Christianity and judaïsm does what ?
What the hell are you talking about ?

Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY.

Well... I never heard about a jewish doing evil thing in french medias... but this is probably because french medias are full of jewish lobbyists doing propaganda with the money they steal to me and the other french...
In fact, in France, everybody knows Dieudonné Mbala Mbala, everybody knows Alain Soral, everybody knows it is TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO SPEAK AGAINST "Israël" to talk about "jewish lobbies", etc.
So please don't talk about freedom, peace, bla, bla, bla.

[mu_enrico]

To be fair, I know many good Muslims, so to generalize all of them is a warmonger beheading infidel is wrong.
France's problem is they have opened their border, so the wrong type of Muslims enters the country.

They should build the wall (TM) and kick the radical immigrant out of the country. They need Muslims who are pork eaters, alcohol drinkers, and gamblers. We have plenty here.

[G.Seed]

You might have heard about the new beheading in Nice
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/one-person-killed-after-knife-attack-in-nice-france

But don't worry about it. You can't blame the whole religion for any one person that goes on beheading people. Such activities are common and there's nothing to be surprised of. It's part of the culture. Beheading, stoning, public whipping, french people should get used to it. After all France is a place for personal freedom.

Death count was updated to 3 apparently. One guy with a knife beheads a woman while screaming "allahu akbar". France is going to deal with Islamists through a counter-terrorism insurgency, aka government surveillance like they did in the U.S. post 9/11.

Yes .. Or we can just declare we don't care of Azerbaïdjan, we don't care of "Israël" (and we are not sure "Israël" as you call it should really exists)
We can say that we were totally stupid to believe USA when they said Irakian kill babies, 4th army of the world, etc.
We can say that we were totally stupid to attack Khadafi, to attack Bachar.
We can say that we do not insult Islam, we just want freedom, nobody buys "Charlie Hebdo" because it is shit.
We can say we killed millions of muslims (not just 3) and we are sorry about that.
We can proove that by insulting Judaïsm the same way as we insult Islam, we can put out of jail people who wrote against judaïsm like Hervé Ryssen, because this is freedom of speech, if we can speak against Islam, we can speak against judaïsm.

And finally, we can say all we want is to do business, and if Iran wants to buy our cars, we will sell it. And if jewish lobbyists are not happy about that, this is not our problem.

We could do all that and it would be more profitable for us french. For you, I don't know.

[Tipstar]

You might have heard about the new beheading in Nice
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/one-person-killed-after-knife-attack-in-nice-france

But don't worry about it. You can't blame the whole religion for any one person that goes on beheading people. Such activities are common and there's nothing to be surprised of. It's part of the culture. Beheading, stoning, public whipping, french people should get used to it. After all France is a place for personal freedom.

Death count was updated to 3 apparently. One guy with a knife beheads a woman while screaming "allahu akbar". France is going to deal with Islamists through a counter-terrorism insurgency, aka government surveillance like they did in the U.S. post 9/11.

It's still 1. Women are not counted human in the khalifa. They are just human making blobs.

[squatz1]

You might have heard about the new beheading in Nice
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/one-person-killed-after-knife-attack-in-nice-france

But don't worry about it. You can't blame the whole religion for any one person that goes on beheading people. Such activities are common and there's nothing to be surprised of. It's part of the culture. Beheading, stoning, public whipping, french people should get used to it. After all France is a place for personal freedom.

Death count was updated to 3 apparently. One guy with a knife beheads a woman while screaming "allahu akbar". France is going to deal with Islamists through a counter-terrorism insurgency, aka government surveillance like they did in the U.S. post 9/11.

HERE COMES FREEDOM AND PRIVACY /S

Yeah, I'd assume that support for that sort of thing is high just like it was in the US after 9/11. Obviously this isn't to the same level, even if 1 death is too many.

To be fair, I know many good Muslims, so to generalize all of them is a warmonger beheading infidel is wrong.
France's problem is they have opened their border, so the wrong type of Muslims enters the country.

They should build the wall (TM) and kick the radical immigrant out of the country. They need Muslims who are pork eaters, alcohol drinkers, and gamblers. We have plenty here.

Pretty sure that's not what me and others are doing here. I know many great Muslims as well, and I honestly dont care if they eat pork, drink, or gamble. Like -- WHO THE HELL CARES JUST DONT KILL PEOPLE.

[coins4commies]

None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity.  

What is the most recent example you can think of?

Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO"

Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY.

Just look at history. The world is the way it is largely because of Christian violence.   Christians took over 3 continents in the name of their God and massacred almost everyone who didn't convert.  Its not a mistake that other religions are mostly regional.  The map is the scoreboard. Thats why the three southern continents are mostly Christian.  Don't pretend like the crusades never happened or the Spanish conquests or Christopher Columbus etc.  Hundreds of millions killed in the name of Christian God yet you want to act like isolated maniacs killing people here and there defines islam.

[tvbcof]

None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity.  

What is the most recent example you can think of?

Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO"

Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY.

Just look at history. The world is the way it is largely because of Christian violence.   Christians took over 3 continents in the name of their God and massacred almost everyone who didn't convert.  Its not a mistake that other religions are mostly regional.  The map is the scoreboard. Thats why the three southern continents are mostly Christian.  Don't pretend like the crusades never happened or the Spanish conquests or Christopher Columbus etc.  Hundreds of millions killed in the name of Christian God yet you want to act like isolated maniacs killing people here and there defines islam.

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    "his recent visit to Britain"

I strongly suspect that many if not all of the recent 'beheadings' and what-not are stagecraft used for psychological effect and with an end-goal being of benefit to those who dominate Hollywood and the mainstream media,  but nobody else does.  Everyone believes that there is real red blood on the streets from the evil 'Islamists' who are killing 'Christians', and that is 'recent'.

Again, what RECENT instances of specifically Christian motivated acts of terror can you think of?

Before to long we will be swamped with the aftermath of 'Christian' terrorist groups I'm sure than there will be all kinds of 'evidence' left at the scene to 'prove' their culpability.  Probably we'll see more 'Christian militia' actions like what happened in Israeli occupied Lebanon...under the watchful management of a particular other tribe who's name, if uttered, will get you kicked off Jewtube).  It's just that we have not hit that phase yet.  You seem to be jumping the gun a bit.

[mu_enrico]

I know many great Muslims as well, and I honestly dont care if they eat pork, drink, or gamble. Like -- WHO THE HELL CARES JUST DONT KILL PEOPLE.

You missed the point that they are great because THEY DON'T TAKE THEIR RELIGION TOO SERIOUSLY.

[G.Seed]

None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity.  

What is the most recent example you can think of?

Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO"

Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY.

Just look at history. The world is the way it is largely because of Christian violence.   Christians took over 3 continents in the name of their God and massacred almost everyone who didn't convert.  Its not a mistake that other religions are mostly regional.  The map is the scoreboard. Thats why the three southern continents are mostly Christian.  Don't pretend like the crusades never happened or the Spanish conquests or Christopher Columbus etc.  Hundreds of millions killed in the name of Christian God yet you want to act like isolated maniacs killing people here and there defines islam.

Code:

re·cent
/ˈrēs(ə)nt/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
adjective: recent; adjective: Recent

    1.
    having happened, begun, or been done not long ago or not long before; belonging to a past period of time comparatively close to the present.
    "his recent visit to Britain"

I strongly suspect that many if not all of the recent 'beheadings' and what-not are stagecraft used for psychological effect and with an end-goal being of benefit to those who dominate Hollywood and the mainstream media,  but nobody else does.  Everyone believes that there is real red blood on the streets from the evil 'Islamists' who are killing 'Christians', and that is 'recent'.

Again, what RECENT instances of specifically Christian motivated acts of terror can you think of?

Before to long we will be swamped with the aftermath of 'Christian' terrorist groups I'm sure than there will be all kinds of 'evidence' left at the scene to 'prove' their culpability.  Probably we'll see more 'Christian militia' actions like what happened in Israeli occupied Lebanon...under the watchful management of a particular other tribe who's name, if uttered, will get you kicked off Jewtube).  It's just that we have not hit that phase yet.  You seem to be jumping the gun a bit.

It looks like there is no powerful army with the power and the will to "liberate" a christian country and to provoque a "terrorist" reaction.
We cannot qualify the guy in New Zealand who killed 51 muslims (not 3) as a "christian motivated terrorist".
We can say if a muslim country could invade New-Zealand, humiliate local population, break their economy, steal their ressources, rape women, give a bit of money to crazy christian evangelists or something to keep a friendly enemy and destroy serious opposition, that could do the job easily to provide "christian motivated terrorism". This is actually the best way to keep the power on a dominated region.
This is not really nice but this works.

[UmerIdrees]

You might have heard about the new beheading in Nice
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/one-person-killed-after-knife-attack-in-nice-france

But don't worry about it. You can't blame the whole religion for any one person that goes on beheading people. Such activities are common and there's nothing to be surprised of. It's part of the culture. Beheading, stoning, public whipping, french people should get used to it. After all France is a place for personal freedom.

Personal freedom does not mean that you make fun of any religion. This is the wrong perception of freedom of expression. You cannot play and tortune the emotions of millions of Muslim and believe they wll not react.

To be fair, I know many good Muslims, so to generalize all of them is a warmonger beheading infidel is wrong.
France's problem is they have opened their border, so the wrong type of Muslims enters the country.

France problem is that they have an irresponsible president who does not know how to handle the situation. Now he is begging the muslims.
France urges Arab nations to prevent boycotts over Macron's cartoons defence

[KaneVWE]

None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity.  

What is the most recent example you can think of?

Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO"

Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY.

Just look at history. The world is the way it is largely because of Christian violence.   Christians took over 3 continents in the name of their God and massacred almost everyone who didn't convert.  Its not a mistake that other religions are mostly regional.  The map is the scoreboard. Thats why the three southern continents are mostly Christian.  Don't pretend like the crusades never happened or the Spanish conquests or Christopher Columbus etc.  Hundreds of millions killed in the name of Christian God yet you want to act like isolated maniacs killing people here and there defines islam.

These types of arguments are not helpful.
Civilisation progresses over time.
Religion especially christianity has dissipated I believe due to the progress of science and general rise in educational standards.
There is nothing wrong with Christian's or muslims per say.
However, Muslims do not integrate well into western societies. They remain apart and insular.
As their populations swell you will see a lot more friction perhaps born out of fear.
I don't see a happy ending when that scenario reaches critical mass.
These kind of hacking up old ladies and teachers events which look to be broadly supported when you see the real reactions of muslim crowds burning flags and many calling for more deaths or ex prime ministers saying they could be justified to kill millions of French civilians is only going to feed that fear and increase the friction. Regardless of who started it or whatever it is simply a recipe for disaster and there will always be trouble.

Better to retain Muslims in broadly Muslim countries and let them do their own thing.
If the French want to make little cartoons to sell to other French people let them do their thing and have their free speech.
Diversity and all this trying to make the fox live with chicken is simply a cluster fuck for all involved.

I don't really know much about religion but from discussing briefly with some muslim guys who were nice blokes and heaped lots of great praise on my bodybuilding achievements, which naturally I lapped up. It would seem being a muslim is quite good for males. Feminism which I strongly disagree with is not popular at all with these guys and it all seems to work out very nicely with lots of sensible rules for males and females. I was kind of tempted to join up or look into it a little bit more,  but apparently there are some pretty serious draw backs for recreational activities.

Both Christians and muslims have some sensible core tenets, but hardliners on either side simply will never accept the other side.
Better to keep them apart. I'm not against any religion but I don't think trying to force your views on anyone is acceptable these days. It never should have been either. We're all just trying to make sense of a largely confusing experience called life. Some choose religion some choose science some try not to think about it too much and just enjoy tv and a pizza.
Stop breeding everyone for a bit, give us all a bit more space and room. Do your own thing leave others to do theirs.

Killing people although perhaps satisfying at the time is not a sensible long term solution however angry you are.
Or if you must then don't pick an old granny to hack apart in public that's just unsportsmanly on all levels.  
You are unhappy with certain actions then you must go to the root and find those directly responsible.
But really killing people is not the answer.

[Gyfts]

You might have heard about the new beheading in Nice
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/one-person-killed-after-knife-attack-in-nice-france

But don't worry about it. You can't blame the whole religion for any one person that goes on beheading people. Such activities are common and there's nothing to be surprised of. It's part of the culture. Beheading, stoning, public whipping, french people should get used to it. After all France is a place for personal freedom.

Death count was updated to 3 apparently. One guy with a knife beheads a woman while screaming "allahu akbar". France is going to deal with Islamists through a counter-terrorism insurgency, aka government surveillance like they did in the U.S. post 9/11.

It's still 1. Women are not counted human in the khalifa. They are just human making blobs.

Well...you actually do have a point considering Islamic theocracies treat women like utter shit.

One thing that's surprised me (really doesn't) is how incompatible core Islam is with western values, yet somehow Europe wants integration and unvetted immigration without any sort of consideration for cultural assimilation. Japan and South Korea are culturally/racially homogenous nations with strict immigration policies. Yet, for some reason, they don't seem to get any sort of criticism for their proposed xenophobia while the U.S., and other countries, are xenophobic for not allowing Syrian refugees into the country.

[Spendulus]

....
I don't really know much about religion ....
Both Christians and muslims have some sensible core tenets....
But really killing people is not the answer.

I've taken the liberty of summarizing your comments. Look at the logical puzzle you have presented.

The solution to it is to reverse the bolded statement.

No, they do not have the same sensible core tenets.

If they did, Muslim leaders would widely and openly condemn such brutality and senseless killings as what has recently happened in France.

But they don't.

[UmerIdrees]

....
I don't really know much about religion ....
Both Christians and muslims have some sensible core tenets....
But really killing people is not the answer.

I've taken the liberty of summarizing your comments. Look at the logical puzzle you have presented.

The solution to it is to reverse the bolded statement.

No, they do not have the same sensible core tenets.

If they did, Muslim leaders would widely and openly condemn such brutality and senseless killings as what has recently happened in France.

But they don't.

Did the France president condom the acts of a teacher who was making fun of the religion ? Rather he himself encouraged this act and enforced a shameful decision of publishing the cartoons  on the walls of building in france.

So why would you expect Muslim leaders should condemn the killings which are happening only in the reaction ?

[af_newbie]

....
I don't really know much about religion ....
Both Christians and muslims have some sensible core tenets....
But really killing people is not the answer.

I've taken the liberty of summarizing your comments. Look at the logical puzzle you have presented.

The solution to it is to reverse the bolded statement.

No, they do not have the same sensible core tenets.

If they did, Muslim leaders would widely and openly condemn such brutality and senseless killings as what has recently happened in France.

But they don't.

Did the France president condom the acts of a teacher who was making fun of the religion ? Rather he himself encouraged this act and enforced a shameful decision of publishing the cartoons  on the walls of building in france.

So why would you expect Muslim leaders should condemn the killings which are happening only in the reaction ?

Anyone who calls for killing people for drawing a cartoon should be charged with hate speech. 

I think it is time we start rounding up people who think this way and prosecute them.

Anyone to tries or kills anyone for making fun of any religion should be prosecuted and receive a life sentence.  His/her family estate should be seized to pay for the incarceration costs.

It is time we expose really bad ideas.  Religion is a collection of fairy tales for adults.

Wake the fuck up people.  The year is 2020 CE, not 2020 BCE.

[Spendulus]

....
So why would you expect Muslim leaders should condemn the killings which are happening only in the reaction ?

Because it's the right thing to do?

[tvbcof]

None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity. 

What is the most recent example you can think of?

Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO"

Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY.

I don't want to piss on your Cheerios right after you gave me 10 merit points (daaaamn!) so I'll tell you in as nice a manner as possible but decapitation is quite fundamental to some of the sects of Judaism who find their religions inspiration in the Babylonian Talmud.  And a lot of them do.  This in particular the Chabad-Lubavitch sect, and one cannot argue with a straight face that this sect is a powerless fringe group (Kushners, 3000 Chabad houses with the 'shluchim', bragging that they were more powerful than the KGB in Russia near the end of the Soviet phase, yearly audiance with whoever is chosen as U.S. president to re-up the U.S. law honoring their quasi-messiah dude's birthday, etc, etc.)

The basic idea, as expounded upon by many Rabbi's (yes, there is a ton of footage of such lectures) is that in the end of days, the non-Jews will have a place in the world to come, but only those who follow what they call the 'seven noahide laws' which come out of the Babylonian Talmud and are to be administered by 'the Jews' who are, of course, God's Chosen People(tm).  By this time these laws are fairly well described all over the net so I won't waste your time with them.  For the purposes of this little note, know that the penalty for (a non-jew) who does not follow these laws is decapitation in most cases.

According to many of the Orthodox Jewish 'scholars', Islam is good-to-go with Noahide Laws.  Christianity not so much due primarily to the issue with 'idol worship.'  Jesus Christ was not the most popular guy with the Pharisees back in the day, and one doesn't have to listen to many Orthodox Rabbinical presentations to note that the animus remains pretty strong even after a couple thousand years.

When I see the Israeli support of the 'radical Islamists' who tore Syria apart, and I see the torment (including beheadings some of which seem to be non-fake) which seemed to target Christian sects in particular, I cannot help but muse about the nature of the 'hidden hand' which was involved in the training camps in Jordan and Turkey where these 'Islamists' seem to have been molded out of the primordial clay.

...and most of the isolated stuff which goes on in Europe looks like pure acting-troop stagecraft to me upon scratching the surface.  Just like the 'Boston bombing', 'mass shootings', etc that go on in the U.S..  I don't look into them all, but almost without fail when I do they look mighty suspicious to me.

[Josefjix]

Why do Islamic clerics always say "Islam is a religion of peace" but every terrorism is connected to Islam as a religion? Everywhere Sharia Law is been practiced it is only used against the poor Islam worshipers alone, why is the judgement selective and not practiced among all offenders of the law? It clearly means the religion doesn't live up to the slogan it's been given. IMO, whatever happens they have to be opposition whatever the teacher might have taught doesn't warrant him/her to be beheaded isn't it on the French schools curriculum?

[KingScorpio]

I am not anti-Islam but this is one of the Islamic doctrines that I hate the most...
wherever they are, they always spread the teachings that others are infidels, so it is necessary to uphold the sharia in every aspect of life, and the worst thing is they do not hesitate to act harshly because they feel the holiest.

hating islamic doctrines is actually being anti islam, make your mind up

[G.Seed]

Why do Islamic clerics always say "Islam is a religion of peace" but every terrorism is connected to Islam as a religion? Everywhere Sharia Law is been practiced it is only used against the poor Islam worshipers alone, why is the judgement selective and not practiced among all offenders of the law? It clearly means the religion doesn't live up to the slogan it's been given. IMO, whatever happens they have to be opposition whatever the teacher might have taught doesn't warrant him/her to be beheaded isn't it on the French schools curriculum?

First, there are no "Islamic clerics" (except in shiite minority).
Second, people saying "Islam is a religion of peace" are not muslims for the majority, and when they pretend they are, you can find they are paid or supported by non-muslims persons.
Third, I am muslim, and I can say Islam is not a religion of peace, of war, of health, of disease, of wealth, of poverty, of freedom or of slavery, etc.
This is not the problem. Islam message is "effort" (Djihad), because we are humans, there will always be wars, slavery (America is still using slaves children to make their shit, do not be blind please).
The common point between all Islam haters is the fear of effort.

"every terrorism is connected to Islam as a religion?"

Is USA a country of peace ? Can we seriously talk about this ? May be USA allows YOU to eat chips like a porc when watching TV and it is ok for you.
But it is not a peace country for South America, for Cuba, for Arabic countries, for Japan, for Vietnam, etc.

When a silly man kills a teacher you choose to call it "islamic terrorism", when Jewish people kills a french in France and throw his body in "La Seine", of course you do not call it terrorism.
Your TV does not show you this, so it does not exist for you.

[wack slacker]

Obviously, Muslims will not do anything to affect this ill-fated teacher until he defames their religion.
If not, he will surely be alive. I respect this teacher's right to freedom of speech, but he did a terrible thing by explaining things not to in his last name.
After this event, we should be careful with any statements we make about society, especially sensitive issues such as religion, politics, criminal organizations ...
The path below is an example
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mexico-youtube-star-juan-luis-lagunas-rosales-found-dead-el-mencho-nemesio-ocegera-cervantes-sinaloa-cartel-a8122526.html

[Pweetybam]

The teacher whom draws a cartoon of dearly prophet Muhammad made a mistake while the beheader made a big mistake

[AjithBtc]

People are much attached to religious beliefs, so a small incident will also have a big impact. What we see with this incident is the same. A french person in our forum has clearly mentioned about the act, mentioning there is freedom to speak about Islam. Same time one isn't allowed to speak about Israel and Judaism according to their law. Upon that this isn't against law, but the act of the teacher had ignited to do this.

[Josefjix]

First, there are no "Islamic clerics" (except in shiite minority).
Second, people saying "Islam is a religion of peace" are not muslims for the majority, and when they pretend they are, you can find they are paid or supported by non-muslims persons.
Third, I am muslim, and I can say Islam is not a religion of peace, of war, of health, of disease, of wealth, of poverty, of freedom or of slavery, etc.
This is not the problem. Islam message is "effort" (Djihad), because we are humans, there will always be wars, slavery (America is still using slaves children to make their shit, do not be blind please).
The common point between all Islam haters is the fear of effort.

"every terrorism is connected to Islam as a religion?"

Is USA a country of peace ? Can we seriously talk about this ? May be USA allows YOU to eat chips like a porc when watching TV and it is ok for you.
But it is not a peace country for South America, for Cuba, for Arabic countries, for Japan, for Vietnam, etc.

When a silly man kills a teacher you choose to call it "islamic terrorism", when Jewish people kills a french in France and throw his body in "La Seine", of course you do not call it terrorism.
Your TV does not show you this, so it does not exist for you.

I don't know much about the beliefs the of Islamic religion except for obvious reasons been portrayed in the media houses about terrorism associated with the religion, there are conflicts, wars and killings happening in my country all are carried out by either a fanatic Muslim community or an Islamic extremist group.

I am not an American, what goes on in the country can only concern me when the media house talks about it, just like what happened in the French colony wasn't having any impact on me until the media aired it.

[KingScorpio]

A teacher has been brought to justice for encouraging iritdad in a madrasa near Paris. It gives a clear message to the enemy of religion that if they want to live in the people's islamic republic of Europe, they need to follow the sharia law. There's no room for terrorist in the religion of peace and silence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcTux6OtFn0

https://apnews.com/article/france-teacher-decapitated-eragny-f1ecd575344d171ff8fc8c33c5320f0c

if muslims would actually obey their sharia stuff, that would be something, but they don't want to obey it, they still steal around if they can, and sharia only is being used whenever they want it.