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As always the US makes more enemies with their actions in the long run. I agree we need tougher laws in the west to regulate propaganda on the internet. But people are so scared of the police and to give up freedom when being online. Almost everyone has a mobile phone and access to the internet these days. We need a tradeoff between being independent and have freedom online to being able to prosecute the people who post hateful things online. There should be a real punishment for these people.
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You might have heard about the new beheading in Nice https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/29/one-person-killed-after-knife-attack-in-nice-franceBut don't worry about it. You can't blame the whole religion for any one person that goes on beheading people. Such activities are common and there's nothing to be surprised of. It's part of the culture. Beheading, stoning, public whipping, french people should get used to it. After all France is a place for personal freedom.
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Death count was updated to 3 apparently. One guy with a knife beheads a woman while screaming "allahu akbar". France is going to deal with Islamists through a counter-terrorism insurgency, aka government surveillance like they did in the U.S. post 9/11.
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None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity.
What is the most recent example you can think of? Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO" Christianity and judaïsm does what ? What the hell are you talking about ? Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY. Well... I never heard about a jewish doing evil thing in french medias... but this is probably because french medias are full of jewish lobbyists doing propaganda with the money they steal to me and the other french... In fact, in France, everybody knows Dieudonné Mbala Mbala, everybody knows Alain Soral, everybody knows it is TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO SPEAK AGAINST "Israël" to talk about "jewish lobbies", etc. So please don't talk about freedom, peace, bla, bla, bla.
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To be fair, I know many good Muslims, so to generalize all of them is a warmonger beheading infidel is wrong. France's problem is they have opened their border, so the wrong type of Muslims enters the country.
They should build the wall (TM) and kick the radical immigrant out of the country. They need Muslims who are pork eaters, alcohol drinkers, and gamblers. We have plenty here.
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Death count was updated to 3 apparently. One guy with a knife beheads a woman while screaming "allahu akbar". France is going to deal with Islamists through a counter-terrorism insurgency, aka government surveillance like they did in the U.S. post 9/11. Yes .. Or we can just declare we don't care of Azerbaïdjan, we don't care of "Israël" (and we are not sure "Israël" as you call it should really exists) We can say that we were totally stupid to believe USA when they said Irakian kill babies, 4th army of the world, etc. We can say that we were totally stupid to attack Khadafi, to attack Bachar. We can say that we do not insult Islam, we just want freedom, nobody buys "Charlie Hebdo" because it is shit. We can say we killed millions of muslims (not just 3) and we are sorry about that. We can proove that by insulting Judaïsm the same way as we insult Islam, we can put out of jail people who wrote against judaïsm like Hervé Ryssen, because this is freedom of speech, if we can speak against Islam, we can speak against judaïsm. And finally, we can say all we want is to do business, and if Iran wants to buy our cars, we will sell it. And if jewish lobbyists are not happy about that, this is not our problem. We could do all that and it would be more profitable for us french. For you, I don't know.
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Death count was updated to 3 apparently. One guy with a knife beheads a woman while screaming "allahu akbar". France is going to deal with Islamists through a counter-terrorism insurgency, aka government surveillance like they did in the U.S. post 9/11. It's still 1. Women are not counted human in the khalifa. They are just human making blobs.
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Death count was updated to 3 apparently. One guy with a knife beheads a woman while screaming "allahu akbar". France is going to deal with Islamists through a counter-terrorism insurgency, aka government surveillance like they did in the U.S. post 9/11. HERE COMES FREEDOM AND PRIVACY /S Yeah, I'd assume that support for that sort of thing is high just like it was in the US after 9/11. Obviously this isn't to the same level, even if 1 death is too many. To be fair, I know many good Muslims, so to generalize all of them is a warmonger beheading infidel is wrong. France's problem is they have opened their border, so the wrong type of Muslims enters the country.
They should build the wall (TM) and kick the radical immigrant out of the country. They need Muslims who are pork eaters, alcohol drinkers, and gamblers. We have plenty here.
Pretty sure that's not what me and others are doing here. I know many great Muslims as well, and I honestly dont care if they eat pork, drink, or gamble. Like -- WHO THE HELL CARES JUST DONT KILL PEOPLE.
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None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity.
What is the most recent example you can think of? Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO" Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY. Just look at history. The world is the way it is largely because of Christian violence. Christians took over 3 continents in the name of their God and massacred almost everyone who didn't convert. Its not a mistake that other religions are mostly regional. The map is the scoreboard. Thats why the three southern continents are mostly Christian. Don't pretend like the crusades never happened or the Spanish conquests or Christopher Columbus etc. Hundreds of millions killed in the name of Christian God yet you want to act like isolated maniacs killing people here and there defines islam.
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None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity.
What is the most recent example you can think of? Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO" Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY. Just look at history. The world is the way it is largely because of Christian violence. Christians took over 3 continents in the name of their God and massacred almost everyone who didn't convert. Its not a mistake that other religions are mostly regional. The map is the scoreboard. Thats why the three southern continents are mostly Christian. Don't pretend like the crusades never happened or the Spanish conquests or Christopher Columbus etc. Hundreds of millions killed in the name of Christian God yet you want to act like isolated maniacs killing people here and there defines islam. re·cent /ˈrēs(ə)nt/ Learn to pronounce adjective adjective: recent; adjective: Recent
1. having happened, begun, or been done not long ago or not long before; belonging to a past period of time comparatively close to the present. "his recent visit to Britain"
I strongly suspect that many if not all of the recent 'beheadings' and what-not are stagecraft used for psychological effect and with an end-goal being of benefit to those who dominate Hollywood and the mainstream media, but nobody else does. Everyone believes that there is real red blood on the streets from the evil 'Islamists' who are killing 'Christians', and that is 'recent'. Again, what RECENT instances of specifically Christian motivated acts of terror can you think of? Before to long we will be swamped with the aftermath of 'Christian' terrorist groups I'm sure than there will be all kinds of 'evidence' left at the scene to 'prove' their culpability. Probably we'll see more 'Christian militia' actions like what happened in Israeli occupied Lebanon...under the watchful management of a particular other tribe who's name, if uttered, will get you kicked off Jewtube). It's just that we have not hit that phase yet. You seem to be jumping the gun a bit.
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I know many great Muslims as well, and I honestly dont care if they eat pork, drink, or gamble. Like -- WHO THE HELL CARES JUST DONT KILL PEOPLE.
You missed the point that they are great because THEY DON'T TAKE THEIR RELIGION TOO SERIOUSLY.
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None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity.
What is the most recent example you can think of? Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO" Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY. Just look at history. The world is the way it is largely because of Christian violence. Christians took over 3 continents in the name of their God and massacred almost everyone who didn't convert. Its not a mistake that other religions are mostly regional. The map is the scoreboard. Thats why the three southern continents are mostly Christian. Don't pretend like the crusades never happened or the Spanish conquests or Christopher Columbus etc. Hundreds of millions killed in the name of Christian God yet you want to act like isolated maniacs killing people here and there defines islam. re·cent /ˈrēs(ə)nt/ Learn to pronounce adjective adjective: recent; adjective: Recent
1. having happened, begun, or been done not long ago or not long before; belonging to a past period of time comparatively close to the present. "his recent visit to Britain"
I strongly suspect that many if not all of the recent 'beheadings' and what-not are stagecraft used for psychological effect and with an end-goal being of benefit to those who dominate Hollywood and the mainstream media, but nobody else does. Everyone believes that there is real red blood on the streets from the evil 'Islamists' who are killing 'Christians', and that is 'recent'. Again, what RECENT instances of specifically Christian motivated acts of terror can you think of? Before to long we will be swamped with the aftermath of 'Christian' terrorist groups I'm sure than there will be all kinds of 'evidence' left at the scene to 'prove' their culpability. Probably we'll see more 'Christian militia' actions like what happened in Israeli occupied Lebanon...under the watchful management of a particular other tribe who's name, if uttered, will get you kicked off Jewtube). It's just that we have not hit that phase yet. You seem to be jumping the gun a bit. It looks like there is no powerful army with the power and the will to "liberate" a christian country and to provoque a "terrorist" reaction. We cannot qualify the guy in New Zealand who killed 51 muslims (not 3) as a "christian motivated terrorist". We can say if a muslim country could invade New-Zealand, humiliate local population, break their economy, steal their ressources, rape women, give a bit of money to crazy christian evangelists or something to keep a friendly enemy and destroy serious opposition, that could do the job easily to provide "christian motivated terrorism". This is actually the best way to keep the power on a dominated region. This is not really nice but this works.
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Personal freedom does not mean that you make fun of any religion. This is the wrong perception of freedom of expression. You cannot play and tortune the emotions of millions of Muslim and believe they wll not react. To be fair, I know many good Muslims, so to generalize all of them is a warmonger beheading infidel is wrong. France's problem is they have opened their border, so the wrong type of Muslims enters the country.
France problem is that they have an irresponsible president who does not know how to handle the situation. Now he is begging the muslims. France urges Arab nations to prevent boycotts over Macron's cartoons defence
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None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity.
What is the most recent example you can think of? Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO" Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY. Just look at history. The world is the way it is largely because of Christian violence. Christians took over 3 continents in the name of their God and massacred almost everyone who didn't convert. Its not a mistake that other religions are mostly regional. The map is the scoreboard. Thats why the three southern continents are mostly Christian. Don't pretend like the crusades never happened or the Spanish conquests or Christopher Columbus etc. Hundreds of millions killed in the name of Christian God yet you want to act like isolated maniacs killing people here and there defines islam. These types of arguments are not helpful. Civilisation progresses over time. Religion especially christianity has dissipated I believe due to the progress of science and general rise in educational standards. There is nothing wrong with Christian's or muslims per say. However, Muslims do not integrate well into western societies. They remain apart and insular. As their populations swell you will see a lot more friction perhaps born out of fear. I don't see a happy ending when that scenario reaches critical mass. These kind of hacking up old ladies and teachers events which look to be broadly supported when you see the real reactions of muslim crowds burning flags and many calling for more deaths or ex prime ministers saying they could be justified to kill millions of French civilians is only going to feed that fear and increase the friction. Regardless of who started it or whatever it is simply a recipe for disaster and there will always be trouble. Better to retain Muslims in broadly Muslim countries and let them do their own thing. If the French want to make little cartoons to sell to other French people let them do their thing and have their free speech. Diversity and all this trying to make the fox live with chicken is simply a cluster fuck for all involved. I don't really know much about religion but from discussing briefly with some muslim guys who were nice blokes and heaped lots of great praise on my bodybuilding achievements, which naturally I lapped up. It would seem being a muslim is quite good for males. Feminism which I strongly disagree with is not popular at all with these guys and it all seems to work out very nicely with lots of sensible rules for males and females. I was kind of tempted to join up or look into it a little bit more, but apparently there are some pretty serious draw backs for recreational activities. Both Christians and muslims have some sensible core tenets, but hardliners on either side simply will never accept the other side. Better to keep them apart. I'm not against any religion but I don't think trying to force your views on anyone is acceptable these days. It never should have been either. We're all just trying to make sense of a largely confusing experience called life. Some choose religion some choose science some try not to think about it too much and just enjoy tv and a pizza. Stop breeding everyone for a bit, give us all a bit more space and room. Do your own thing leave others to do theirs. Killing people although perhaps satisfying at the time is not a sensible long term solution however angry you are. Or if you must then don't pick an old granny to hack apart in public that's just unsportsmanly on all levels. You are unhappy with certain actions then you must go to the root and find those directly responsible. But really killing people is not the answer.
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Death count was updated to 3 apparently. One guy with a knife beheads a woman while screaming "allahu akbar". France is going to deal with Islamists through a counter-terrorism insurgency, aka government surveillance like they did in the U.S. post 9/11. It's still 1. Women are not counted human in the khalifa. They are just human making blobs. Well...you actually do have a point considering Islamic theocracies treat women like utter shit. One thing that's surprised me (really doesn't) is how incompatible core Islam is with western values, yet somehow Europe wants integration and unvetted immigration without any sort of consideration for cultural assimilation. Japan and South Korea are culturally/racially homogenous nations with strict immigration policies. Yet, for some reason, they don't seem to get any sort of criticism for their proposed xenophobia while the U.S., and other countries, are xenophobic for not allowing Syrian refugees into the country.
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.... I don't really know much about religion .... Both Christians and muslims have some sensible core tenets.... But really killing people is not the answer.
I've taken the liberty of summarizing your comments. Look at the logical puzzle you have presented. The solution to it is to reverse the bolded statement. No, they do not have the same sensible core tenets. If they did, Muslim leaders would widely and openly condemn such brutality and senseless killings as what has recently happened in France. But they don't.
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.... I don't really know much about religion .... Both Christians and muslims have some sensible core tenets.... But really killing people is not the answer.
I've taken the liberty of summarizing your comments. Look at the logical puzzle you have presented. The solution to it is to reverse the bolded statement. No, they do not have the same sensible core tenets. If they did, Muslim leaders would widely and openly condemn such brutality and senseless killings as what has recently happened in France. But they don't. Did the France president condom the acts of a teacher who was making fun of the religion ? Rather he himself encouraged this act and enforced a shameful decision of publishing the cartoons on the walls of building in france. So why would you expect Muslim leaders should condemn the killings which are happening only in the reaction ?
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.... I don't really know much about religion .... Both Christians and muslims have some sensible core tenets.... But really killing people is not the answer.
I've taken the liberty of summarizing your comments. Look at the logical puzzle you have presented. The solution to it is to reverse the bolded statement. No, they do not have the same sensible core tenets. If they did, Muslim leaders would widely and openly condemn such brutality and senseless killings as what has recently happened in France. But they don't. Did the France president condom the acts of a teacher who was making fun of the religion ? Rather he himself encouraged this act and enforced a shameful decision of publishing the cartoons on the walls of building in france. So why would you expect Muslim leaders should condemn the killings which are happening only in the reaction ? Anyone who calls for killing people for drawing a cartoon should be charged with hate speech. I think it is time we start rounding up people who think this way and prosecute them. Anyone to tries or kills anyone for making fun of any religion should be prosecuted and receive a life sentence. His/her family estate should be seized to pay for the incarceration costs. It is time we expose really bad ideas. Religion is a collection of fairy tales for adults. Wake the fuck up people. The year is 2020 CE, not 2020 BCE.
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.... So why would you expect Muslim leaders should condemn the killings which are happening only in the reaction ?
Because it's the right thing to do?
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None of it comes close to a fraction of the violence that has been carried out in the name of Christianity.
What is the most recent example you can think of? Great question. Not a fan of people just randomly being like - "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY AND JUADISM DOES IT TOO" Like shit, when it the last time you heard of someone in the Christian faith beheading someone because they're teaching something that goes against the bible? Or for the Jewish people, the torah. That'd be some frontpage news shit as well. Peoples heads are supposed to stay ON THEIR BODY. I don't want to piss on your Cheerios right after you gave me 10 merit points (daaaamn!) so I'll tell you in as nice a manner as possible but decapitation is quite fundamental to some of the sects of Judaism who find their religions inspiration in the Babylonian Talmud. And a lot of them do. This in particular the Chabad-Lubavitch sect, and one cannot argue with a straight face that this sect is a powerless fringe group (Kushners, 3000 Chabad houses with the 'shluchim', bragging that they were more powerful than the KGB in Russia near the end of the Soviet phase, yearly audiance with whoever is chosen as U.S. president to re-up the U.S. law honoring their quasi-messiah dude's birthday, etc, etc.) The basic idea, as expounded upon by many Rabbi's (yes, there is a ton of footage of such lectures) is that in the end of days, the non-Jews will have a place in the world to come, but only those who follow what they call the 'seven noahide laws' which come out of the Babylonian Talmud and are to be administered by 'the Jews' who are, of course, God's Chosen People(tm). By this time these laws are fairly well described all over the net so I won't waste your time with them. For the purposes of this little note, know that the penalty for (a non-jew) who does not follow these laws is decapitation in most cases. According to many of the Orthodox Jewish 'scholars', Islam is good-to-go with Noahide Laws. Christianity not so much due primarily to the issue with 'idol worship.' Jesus Christ was not the most popular guy with the Pharisees back in the day, and one doesn't have to listen to many Orthodox Rabbinical presentations to note that the animus remains pretty strong even after a couple thousand years. When I see the Israeli support of the 'radical Islamists' who tore Syria apart, and I see the torment (including beheadings some of which seem to be non-fake) which seemed to target Christian sects in particular, I cannot help but muse about the nature of the 'hidden hand' which was involved in the training camps in Jordan and Turkey where these 'Islamists' seem to have been molded out of the primordial clay. ...and most of the isolated stuff which goes on in Europe looks like pure acting-troop stagecraft to me upon scratching the surface. Just like the 'Boston bombing', 'mass shootings', etc that go on in the U.S.. I don't look into them all, but almost without fail when I do they look mighty suspicious to me.
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