TESTING- Submersing paper wallets printed on water proof papers

[krogothmanhattan]

Thank you @krogothmanhattan for running these tests. By the way, I didn't know about this type of paper - but I also had never researched it.

I noticed that the tests you carried out were on laser printer paper. Or am I mistaken?

You motivated my research, and find a paper that says it works in inkjet: https://www.graytex.com/inkjet-ruff-n-tuff-paper.htm
Did you get to test this one?

  Hi thanks!  And correct this was all done on a laser printer. No I have not tested this one...If you have a spare paper from that company please let me know and you can send me a sample if you wish and I will add to the test. Cheers!

   

Free samples are available. They are TX based so probably easier for you to get some here then someone in the EU

https://www.graytex.com/graytex-faq.htm#samples

I know it's not that simple, but still think it would be interesting to see how the different papers deal with water from different parts of the country and world.

-Dave

   Hi Dave...thankts for pointing and sharing that addy. I will reach out to them and get a sample and add to my water cup test

[krogothmanhattan]

  I just checked out Terraslate's website and they mention this thread about paper wallets being submersed and tested!  

  https://terraslatepaper.com/blogs/news/terraslate-paper-used-to-make-bitcoin-wallets
  

  

[krogothmanhattan]

 So added another strip of TERRAPAPER with a loaded BIP38 paper wallet loaded with $100 in BTC.

  Lets see water wash away the BTC  .  If you can crack it you can have it. 

 

[krogothmanhattan]

Drained the water and pulled out the paper...I was able to read all the QR codes except for the regular paper which has turned moldy and completely into Jello...so I threw out.

   The loaded paper wallet is still loaded as well...so loaded and submersed 

     

[krogothmanhattan]

Drained the water and pulled out the paper...I was able to read all the QR codes

   The loaded paper wallet is still loaded as well...so loaded and submersed  

[josh91]

Drained the water and pulled out the paper...I was able to read all the QR codes

   The loaded paper wallet is still loaded as well...so loaded and submersed  

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/01/yUm6I.jpeg

impossible to decrypt without some clue, I really would like to have btc

[krogothmanhattan]

Drained the water and pulled out the paper...I was able to read all the QR codes

   The loaded paper wallet is still loaded as well...so loaded and submersed  

impossible to decrypt without some clue, I really would like to have btc

    That's the idea behind the BIP38 and the password was randomly punched on the keyboard!

    I did the same thing back in 2017 with my online version of the very first stamp and it was loaded with 0.02 BTC and its still loaded as well.

     https://www.crypto-stamps.com/private3.html

    Mike Caldwell's program is top notch for protecting your private keys!

[MoparMiningLLC]

I agree - bip38 is great.

[DaveF]

Found this stuff: https://www.stone-paper.com/en/stone-paper-the-environment-friendly/

https://rocastonepaper.com/


There are a couple of different brands out there that are all similar. Do you want to add to the test?
Might not get 8.5: x 11" but if you can stick the notebook sized stuff in your printer it should work.

-Dave

[krogothmanhattan]

Found this stuff: https://www.stone-paper.com/en/stone-paper-the-environment-friendly/

https://rocastonepaper.com/


There are a couple of different brands out there that are all similar. Do you want to add to the test?
Might not get 8.5: x 11" but if you can stick the notebook sized stuff in your printer it should work.

-Dave

  Thanks for sharing these stone papers Dave!  If anyone buys them and wants to send one paper to me for testing...please do so.
 I will then add to the water experiment.  Cheers!

[minerjones]

Found this stuff: https://www.stone-paper.com/en/stone-paper-the-environment-friendly/

https://rocastonepaper.com/


There are a couple of different brands out there that are all similar. Do you want to add to the test?
Might not get 8.5: x 11" but if you can stick the notebook sized stuff in your printer it should work.

-Dave

  Thanks for sharing these stone papers Dave!  If anyone buys them and wants to send one paper to me for testing...please do so.
 I will then add to the water experiment.  Cheers!

I have a sample of this that I can send you for testing!!

[krogothmanhattan]

Found this stuff: https://www.stone-paper.com/en/stone-paper-the-environment-friendly/

https://rocastonepaper.com/


There are a couple of different brands out there that are all similar. Do you want to add to the test?
Might not get 8.5: x 11" but if you can stick the notebook sized stuff in your printer it should work.

-Dave

  Thanks for sharing these stone papers Dave!  If anyone buys them and wants to send one paper to me for testing...please do so.
 I will then add to the water experiment.  Cheers!

I have a sample of this that I can send you for testing!!

  THanks MJ...looking forward for it to arrive!  Cheers to ye all!

[krogothmanhattan]

I have a sample of this that I can send you for testing!!

 

Your entire booklet arrived...I say thanks!

   So I printed two bitcoin qr codes, pub and private and of course loaded them with $40 in BTC.

   When it came thru the laser printer the paper felt soggy kinda like it melted but I was still able to read the qr code as you can see below
   
   I have added to the rest of the papers experiment and changed the water as well!  Thanks again for all!!

   

[krogothmanhattan]

 Tested all wallets and they all scan fine...paper is fine and loaded wallet is still loaded with 0.003 plus BITCOIN!!
  
   Changed water and submersed again...see ya in a few months!

[krogothmanhattan]

Tested all wallets and they all scan fine...paper is fine and loaded wallet is still loaded with 0.003 plus BITCOIN!!
  
   Changed water and submersed again...see ya in a few months!

[DaveF]

I know I mentioned it before but seeing what damage Hurricane Helene did to some places I wonder how well these waterproof papers would stand up to buried in mud / muck  / slime for weeks on end.
Clean water is well, clean. I don't see why they would not still be good after a weeks buried in something like this:



But, you never know, could they be stained beyond use or suffer some other form of damage?

-Dave

[krogothmanhattan]

I know I mentioned it before but seeing what damage Hurricane Helene did to some places I wonder how well these waterproof papers would stand up to buried in mud / muck  / slime for weeks on end.
Clean water is well, clean. I don't see why they would not still be good after a weeks buried in something like this:
But, you never know, could they be stained beyond use or suffer some other form of damage?

-Dave

  Who Knows? And how many will have that unfortunate event happen to them? Unless the PH of the water is strong enough to eat into the paper or ink...it might be fine. But then again ya never know. If under a hologram it might be fine. There are alot of variables in play...example...water quality...duration..pressure...etc etc etc.

  Safest of em all is to get a seed and place on a metal plate IMO.

  But this experiment is mostly for assuming a regular water flood damage inside a house with faulty plumbing etc etc etc or rain

[CARIBBEAN_TREASURES]

I have tested this in extreme conditions in the Caribbean. After submerged in salt water for 1 year in the heat and sand, the hologram color was boiled off but the plastic was still intact. It protected the keys and yes the keys are still readable. I could claim flood resistance for up to 1 year in extreme conditions, but collectability is destroyed. Keys still readable. A Caribbean Treasures 2023 Brass 10,000 Satoshi piece was the test coin.

[DaveF]

I have tested this in extreme conditions in the Caribbean. After submerged in salt water for 1 year in the heat and sand, the hologram color was boiled off but the plastic was still intact. It protected the keys and yes the keys are still readable. I could claim flood resistance for up to 1 year in extreme conditions, but collectability is destroyed. Keys still readable. A Caribbean Treasures 2023 Brass 10,000 Satoshi piece was the test coin.

This was more what I was thinking.

Yes, in the home for your seed / private keys steel / titanium seed plates are the best.

I have always had the niggling feeling in the back of my head, how will these coins with keys make out.

Personally, for a bunch of reasons I am shrinking my collection, but I still love the collectables. And I don't think any of us want to hear 'After my house was destroyed I managed to recover my collectables but I could not get read a bunch of keys'  I admit it's an extreme edge case, but in the scheme of things the additional cost to someone making a coin to use the better papers is minimal.

-Dave

[Remsjack]

  So I printed two bitcoin qr codes, pub and private and of course loaded them with $40 in BTC.

What does "518124" mean under the Stone paper wallet key? Is it a bip38 passphrase?