Merit Source - Plagiarist

[nutildah]

How ironic and funny this situation is. A "MODERATOR" is a plagiarist?

If you're referring to Ratimov, he's not a moderator. He's just in the ChipMixer campaign which means he is receiving extra scrutiny.

I think Ratimov has learned what to do going forward after all this in order to avoid these types of threads being made about him in the future.

@Ratimov: You do a lot of good work but its actually too much! Just be yourself and don't try to impress everyone so hard going forward. Trust me, we're already impressed.

[tranthidung]

@Ratimov: You do a lot of good work but its actually too much! Just be yourself and don't try to impress everyone so hard going forward. Trust me, we're already impressed.

I said the same as yours.

Ratimov indeed made lots of huge threads and he is knowledgeable and spent decent efforts and time to compiled those huge topics. With topics he simply shared, he is knowlegeable and selective to do so and I admired him for his selection process.

I can learn from myself too. Don't do anything too much and too often, then people will don't feel values of what you are doing. Sometimes, it can cause side-effects, they feel annoying. Sometimes, they are jealous and many other reasons.

Some notes

• Learn (first): and I much appreciated all people helped and partially built up my adventure here. I spent my time definitely but you all have your contributions indirectly.
• Share: share things selectively and reduce the intensity. Some people who are unable to do what they do will feel uncomfortable with your achievements.
• Abuse: yes it is. Low quality members will look at reputable users and their works (mostly they pay attention on merits) and repeat with same styles. The more people do it, the more potential troubles you can get (as initiator).

I am impressed with Ratimov works BUT such the drama raises the need to revise the rule on plagiarsim and guide how to share documents better.

[nullius]

Why is witcher_sense defending Ratimov hereby?

Mнoгиe дyмaют, чтo вocпoльзoвaвшиcь гyгл-тpaнcлeйтoм мoжнo aдeквaтнo пepeдaть cyть, нo им нyжнo ocoзнaть, чтo пepeвoд - этo иcкyccтвo и тяжeлый тpyд, кoтopый нeльзя зaкoнчить oдним нaжaтиeм кнoпки.

Perhaps Ratimov can provide us with a translation of that!  Of course, he will need to use Google Translate, because:

I cannot create completely English texts myself, without auxiliary tools.

witcher_sense now loves Google Translate so much, he thinks that it’s fine to spam the English section with Google translations of plagiarised Russian articles? 

The proof is for example the topic where old russian local members (some of them with 2013 reg date) complain about such "translations".

Good thread.  I recommend that everybody following this case should read it, using Google Translate if necessary.

So average noob came here without being interested in crypto as a technology, hence he don't know (and don't want to learn) anything valuable about crypto. What he's able to do?

- "fight scams"
- "translate (mostly) useless shit which in any way belongs to the subject"
Sometimes, not often, write a useless (mostly) guides which very often it's just a rewriting of older guides, or the same guides (in terms of meaning) but from other sources. We in our russian local board already have a lot of guides about sending transaction offline, how much priv keys bitcoin has and so on. Sometimes i find myself with feeling that I'm in fucking "Groundhog Day".

Whereas Ratimov seems not to be even capable of doing translations.  He is only using Google Translate, and posting the results.  —At least, that is what he now claims, in substantial effect.  Anyone who claims that he cannot write in English without Google-translating his own words from Russian, and effectually claims not even to know the meaning of the pronoun “I”, obviously cannot make any translations involving the English language—not to English, and not from English!  Right?

This is sad, not because people from post USSR so bad, [...]

For my part, I have always had the highest respect for people from Russia, Ukraine, and other Eastern bloc regions.  It is a shame when a few bad apples make the whole barrel smell rotten to some Westerners with limited viewpoints.

rather it's hard to think about anything except money if your salary is around 200 dollars (I see such "philosophy" every day around me).

I have spoken privately to users here who are from countries so poor, they have family members who make the equivalent of about USD 30 $ per month at full-time jobs.  (No joke.  Real “third world” places.)  For them, even a low-end bounty or signature campaign means significant money.  The users to whom I spoke did the best that they could honestly:  No cheating, no spamming, no shitposting—just wearing a paid signature while trying to improve their knowledge of Bitcoin, and otherwise to engage with the forum community.

They had to compete against the flood of spammers who would do anything for a merit; and they risked false accusations of cheating in campaigns, simply due to being from very problematic regions.  They found that to be quite discouraging.

Yes, true stories.  Blended together with some insubstantive details changed, to protect the privacy of people who confided in me.

Hereby, we have the same problem:  A generalized version of Gresham’s Law.  The bad displaces the good.  The result is a state of affairs in which the honest, the truthful ones, are considered the more stupid.  It would end in the belief that it is better to have a share in the wrongdoing, than to stand by with empty hands or allow oneself to be wronged.

As I indicated earlier in this thread, I take as a personal affront when, after all of the time and effort I have invested in making original high-quality posts that people merited, I see Ratimov making a forum career of huge copy-paste OPs.  Why the hell did I ever waste my time with this forum!?

Or:  🤔 Why don’t I do the same thing?  Surely, if I were to make a habit of that, I would soon reach my 3000th merit!

—And why don’t I get paid for it?  🤑  It is by now a sort of an open secret here that I am poor.  Isn’t that an unlimited justification, plus a mark of sainthood? 

—And why not others?  Why doesn’t johnnyUA do the same as Ratimov?  Why doesn’t everybody?

Surely, that would make the forum a successful community; and it would do much to advance Bitcoin.

[DoubleAweSeven]

How ironic and funny this situation is. A "MODERATOR" is a plagiarist?

If you're referring to Ratimov, he's not a moderator. He's just in the ChipMixer campaign which means he is receiving extra scrutiny.

My bad. I thought he is a moderator.

Anyway, can I do what he does? Like finding a non-english article about something related to cryptocurrency then translate it to english, cite source, and wait for the merits to come? He also gets paid high from doing this so it's probably the best thing to do here in the forum without worrying about plagiarism.

[ScumBuster]

I think Ratimov has learned what to do going forward after all this in order to avoid these types of threads being made about him in the future.

@Ratimov: You do a lot of good work but its actually too much! Just be yourself and don't try to impress everyone so hard going forward. Trust me, we're already impressed.

It has been pointed out before that he is plagiarizing, and he has continued to plagiarize, so I am not holding my breath that he has learned anything.

Ratimov indeed made lots of huge threads and he is knowledgeable and spent decent efforts and time to compiled those huge topics. With topics he simply shared, he is knowlegeable and selective to do so and I admired him for his selection process.

I can learn from myself too. Don't do anything too much and too often, then people will don't feel values of what you are doing. Sometimes, it can cause side-effects, they feel annoying. Sometimes, they are jealous and many other reasons.

Knowledgeable? Ha! Can you link to a single knowledgeable post he has made which is original and not a copy paste of someone else's work?

Feel annoying? You mean like having whole boards filled up with dozens of useless spam threads filled with useless statistics no one cares about? You and Ratimov aren't that different; not a single original thought between you.


You both say that you are impressed by him? Impressed by what exactly? His ability to copy and paste? His posts could be made by a bot, and a very simple one at that.

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This is a good summary. Add posting endless lists of stats to your list of things that require zero knowledge but for some reason keep getting awarded with merits.

[witcher_sense]

Why is witcher_sense defending Ratimov hereby?

Mнoгиe дyмaют, чтo вocпoльзoвaвшиcь гyгл-тpaнcлeйтoм мoжнo aдeквaтнo пepeдaть cyть, нo им нyжнo ocoзнaть, чтo пepeвoд - этo иcкyccтвo и тяжeлый тpyд, кoтopый нeльзя зaкoнчить oдним нaжaтиeм кнoпки.

Perhaps Ratimov can provide us with a translation of that!  Of course, he will need to use Google Translate, because:

I cannot create completely English texts myself, without auxiliary tools.

witcher_sense now loves Google Translate so much, he thinks that it’s fine to spam the English section with Google translations of plagiarised Russian articles? 

Where in the post you mentioned did I justify or encourage the use of machine translation tools?

My point is no different than that of others who dare to defend Ratimov. I'm just referring to the forum rules. Ratimov didn't break forum rules, otherwise, he would be already banned, would he not?

[DoubleAweSeven]

Why is witcher_sense defending Ratimov hereby?

Mнoгиe дyмaют, чтo вocпoльзoвaвшиcь гyгл-тpaнcлeйтoм мoжнo aдeквaтнo пepeдaть cyть, нo им нyжнo ocoзнaть, чтo пepeвoд - этo иcкyccтвo и тяжeлый тpyд, кoтopый нeльзя зaкoнчить oдним нaжaтиeм кнoпки.

Perhaps Ratimov can provide us with a translation of that!  Of course, he will need to use Google Translate, because:

I cannot create completely English texts myself, without auxiliary tools.

witcher_sense now loves Google Translate so much, he thinks that it’s fine to spam the English section with Google translations of plagiarised Russian articles?  

Where in the post you mentioned did I justify or encourage the use of machine translation tools?

My point is no different than that of others who dare to defend Ratimov. I'm just referring to the forum rules. Ratimov didn't break forum rules, otherwise, he would be already banned, would he not?

There's obviously a loophole in the rules that prevents him from getting banned. Also these forum rules you are referring to is actually not the offcial rules of the forum. I don't know. I might be wrong.

[wooI_Ioow]

How ironic and funny this situation is. A "MODERATOR" is a plagiarist?

If you're referring to Ratimov, he's not a moderator. He's just in the ChipMixer campaign which means he is receiving extra scrutiny.

My bad. I thought he is a moderator.

Anyway, can I do what he does? Like finding a non-english article about something related to cryptocurrency then translate it to english, cite source, and wait for the merits to come? He also gets paid high from doing this so it's probably the best thing to do here in the forum without worrying about plagiarism.

Why limit yourself to English alone? His crap has been also spotted in Spanish and Italian boards. He's a multilingual plagiarist.

[DoubleAweSeven]

Why limit yourself to English alone? His crap has been also spotted in Spanish and Italian boards. He's a multilingual plagiarist.

Wow, that's actually genius. Not only you are helping internationally, you are also informing other local boards. I guess I should start doing this for the sake of knowledge and spreading positive information to the whole forum.

Ratimov is a pioneer.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Why is this topic going on for several days and no one can remember a good rule that also holds in this forum?

23. When deciding if a user has broken the rules, the staff have the right to follow their interpretation of the rules.[e]

Ratimov, you have passed to the next step. Having appeared in the Russian locale, you also fought for your reputation. I think it only makes you stronger. Some people cannot calm down until they ruin the lives of others. They spend time searching to avenge their mistakes. The OP wrote that you once left him a red tag. Yes, people are vindictive, and more often than not they are not inclined to blame themselves for their mistakes.
A lot of advice has been said, and as always, "initiative is punishable", you have concluded, and I think that everything will soon settle down.
Well, I again urge everyone to calm down and remember the good rule number 23.

[BlackViruse]

I hope everyone is better now and move on my dad always tells me "when a poor man breaks the law the penalty takes place immediately but when a rich man breaks the law different judges are invited and the law is amended in favor of the rich man"
The person in question was accused of;

1. Plagiarism
2. Using a Google translator.

But the whole case was labeled Witch hunt. We move..

[airfinex]

Why is this topic going on for several days and no one can remember a good rule that also holds in this forum?

23. When deciding if a user has broken the rules, the staff have the right to follow their interpretation of the rules.[e]

Ratimov, you have passed to the next step. Having appeared in the Russian locale, you also fought for your reputation. I think it only makes you stronger. Some people cannot calm down until they ruin the lives of others. They spend time searching to avenge their mistakes. The OP wrote that you once left him a red tag. Yes, people are vindictive, and more often than not they are not inclined to blame themselves for their mistakes.
A lot of advice has been said, and as always, "initiative is punishable", you have concluded, and I think that everything will soon settle down.
Well, I again urge everyone to calm down and remember the good rule number 23.

lovesmayfamilis, I am amazed at what a two-faced whore you are. In the exact same situation, you say something completely different, I can only explain this by the fact that bitcoinst apparently didn't fuck you to protect him.

Since you are so fond of quoting the rules, I will also quote something.

User bitcoinst from Russian local section. There are rules written in black and white that say:

Messages must be original. "Stuffing" the number of messages made by the copy-paste principle from another resource is unacceptable. Such messages fall under the first paragraph of the rules.

Unfortunately, in the English section, I did not find amendments to such rules.
This is a very common occurrence, which clearly indicates the cunning of those who write such posts. The Internet is open, anyone can find any information on the web, but this should not be the rule for creating messages in subscription companies.

We all understand the subtext with which such messages are created. If this is taken for messages of low quality, in this case, informing the moderators will be absolutely correct.

[wooI_Ioow]

Why is this topic going on for several days and no one can remember a good rule that also holds in this forum?

23. When deciding if a user has broken the rules, the staff have the right to follow their interpretation of the rules.[e]

Ratimov, you have passed to the next step. Having appeared in the Russian locale, you also fought for your reputation. I think it only makes you stronger. Some people cannot calm down until they ruin the lives of others. They spend time searching to avenge their mistakes. The OP wrote that you once left him a red tag. Yes, people are vindictive, and more often than not they are not inclined to blame themselves for their mistakes.
A lot of advice has been said, and as always, "initiative is punishable", you have concluded, and I think that everything will soon settle down.
Well, I again urge everyone to calm down and remember the good rule number 23.

lovesmayfamilis, I am amazed at what a two-faced whore you are. In the exact same situation, you say something completely different, I can only explain this by the fact that bitcoinst apparently didn't fuck you to protect him.

Since you are so fond of quoting the rules, I will also quote something.

User bitcoinst from Russian local section. There are rules written in black and white that say:

Messages must be original. "Stuffing" the number of messages made by the copy-paste principle from another resource is unacceptable. Such messages fall under the first paragraph of the rules.

Unfortunately, in the English section, I did not find amendments to such rules.
This is a very common occurrence, which clearly indicates the cunning of those who write such posts. The Internet is open, anyone can find any information on the web, but this should not be the rule for creating messages in subscription companies.

We all understand the subtext with which such messages are created. If this is taken for messages of low quality, in this case, informing the moderators will be absolutely correct.

Is    bitcoinst a merit source? No. This explains the difference between lovesmayfamilis's attitudes towards him and  Ratimov. lovesmayfamilis  backlashed  him/her/self.

[ScumBuster]

Ratimov is DT1 and merit source.
Ratimov adds witcher_sense to trust list, leaves positive rating.
Ratimov adds lovesmayfamilis to trust list, leaves positive rating.
These users used to report plagiarism. Now they defend it for selfish reasons.

Shameful.

With my topics, I save other beginners, and not only, time to study some information. So that they do not search for all this all over the Internet, do not use translators, but so that they come in and here it is, everything is ready, just read and study.

Hahaha, what bullshit. You save them the time of copying and pasting an article in to Google translate, because you already did it for them? And then added a sentence lying about how you wrote it? Shameful excuse.

Yes, thank you. Several users and a moderator have already given me a couple of tips on how to avoid such accusations.

What tips? Stop fucking plagiarizing? Hahaha.


Still waiting for links to knowledgeable posts Ratimov has made which aren't copy paste. Why does no one reply?

[nullius]

Still waiting for links to knowledgeable posts Ratimov has made which aren't copy paste. Why does no one reply?

So, the unbanned copypasteress, who subsequently made a career of getting small copypasters banned, now steps up to protect the major active career plagiarist who is systematically spamming this forum with completely ripped-off posts.  I expected that—I saw it coming—though of course, I could not accuse someone of something that she had not yet done. 

Much of this discussion exemplifies a phenomenon that Lauda privately called “the enablers”.  Some enablers are cowards:  They will do the right thing when convenient, but they will never criticize or oppose popular people—let alone those with DT inclusions.  Of those who defend Ratimov on this thread, how many act from peer pressure?

Others run a common sort of reputational long con on this forum:  They build reputation playing police against smaller wrongdoing, then exploit that position to protect bigger wrongdoing.  If there is no honour among thieves, why not show virtue prosecuting pickpockets so as to promote highway robbery?

Yes, people are vindictive, and more often than not they are not inclined to blame themselves for their mistakes.

You hypocrite!  Ratimov is the one hereby not inclined to blame himself for his own wrongdoing, which is assuredly not a mistake.

Lauda бы нaзвaлa тeбя xитpoй.  I am not so gentle: I will call you xитpoвыeбaннoй.

(I would ask Ratimov to translate, but he cannot:  He is a tool, and my tricks are superior to his tools.  O Google Translate, я тeбя тыкaл!)

Whereas I, who have hereby condemned Ratimov, assuredly have never had any self-interested grudge against him.  Indeed, I had nothing at all against him—before a few weeks ago, when I independently discovered something dirty in the Russian forum; you will be miserable when I disclose that publicly.  And hereby, I act on the evidence.

I condemn plagiarism.  Ratimov is a systematic, active, remorseless plagiarist who blames only others for his own wrongdoing.  Therefore, I condemn Ratimov.

Unlike copyright law violations, plagiarism is truly the theft of ideas.  It is singularly the most reprehensible wrong that can be committed within the realm of the intellect; and it is inherently fraudulent, an intellectual scam by definition.

If they themselves have punished others for plagiarism that is different.

I am curious to see what lovesmayfamilis has to say about this.  (Among other things in the Russian forum.)

Actually, I wasn’t really curious.  Just call me cynical.

https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5525/55250929.html
“Paтимoв” = Ratimov

Paтимoв ты нe пpocтo Гepoй. Tы yжe cyпepГepoй


дa eщe и вceвидящий copc.
Moи пoздpaвлeния!!!

lovesmayfamilis’ bad-faith rules-lawyering should get short shrift!

lovesmayfamilis, I am amazed at what a two-faced whore you are. In the exact same situation, you say something completely different, I can only explain this by the fact that bitcoinst apparently didn't fuck you to protect him.

Since you are so fond of quoting the rules, I will also quote something.

User bitcoinst from Russian local section. There are rules written in black and white that say:

Messages must be original. "Stuffing" the number of messages made by the copy-paste principle from another resource is unacceptable. Such messages fall under the first paragraph of the rules.

Unfortunately, in the English section, I did not find amendments to such rules.
This is a very common occurrence, which clearly indicates the cunning of those who write such posts. The Internet is open, anyone can find any information on the web, but this should not be the rule for creating messages in subscription companies.

We all understand the subtext with which such messages are created. If this is taken for messages of low quality, in this case, informing the moderators will be absolutely correct.

Tsk, tsk.  Dear anonymous “clown troll”, you did such a good job reporting this.  Please, let us keep our language suitable to the cultural level of the audience! 



With due apologies to the gentleman who just started cursing at me under his breath.  I realized long ago that this forum is not a place for gentlemen.

[mdayonliner]

Unfortunately, many did not realize that they got to the Bitcoin forum, and not to the forum with completely original content. Here, really original content, maybe 10%, the rest is all a copy-paste of finished materials or partial use of someone else's material.

Man! I take offence of this. You are saying I have posted only 10% original content and rest are twisted texts from others?

Let me become John McAfee but with some twist.
Go through my post history. Prove me that I have even 2% plagiarism (fuck 10% original contents that you think, I have 99.99% original contents) from all of my posts. I will take a picture of my brown dick with a mask on my face and post it here for 24 hours.

If you believe in this psychology of 10% original contents then no wonder why you are not still seeing that you have done something wrong.
This is what you have done:
Contents from your local language >> Google Translation >> Article spinning >> Formatting in your own way with reference links at the bottom.

[johhnyUA]

Lauda бы нaзвaлa тeбя xитpoй.  I am not so gentle: I will call you xитpoвыeбaннoй.

This is obviously deserve a merit. Of course, if it would be from native speaking russian user i would consider it as bad taste. But such jokes is beyond of understanding of any westerner (even for people who understand russian language, like suchmoon .nullius, please, this is just example of a user who can speak on russian, don't start any essay about suchmoon pls. thx in advance).

And yeah, i think this topic should be closed, because it turned to be arena with a lot of angry noobs. Mods has said their words.

And yeah, your try to accuse someone in hypocrisy will not work. Russians (in a a counterweight to ukrainians and belarusians) are well known for their "двoeмыcлиe". So it's too natural for them for example to hunt criminals and in the same time to make some crimes (russian police). Or to be banned for plagiarism and to catch plagiarists and to show zero tolerance to already banned people.

It doesn't matter wrong Ratimov or you, Ratimov can't understand your accuses.


P.S: I will be glad to get answer (besides i doubt that the answer is needed here) not longer than my original post )

[JaneAhonen]

Some people cannot calm down until they ruin the lives of others. They spend time searching to avenge their mistakes.

I dont know if you realize but you just described yourself.That is all you do,you look for mistakes so you can run and report.Unless that person is your favorite merit daddy,then you defend.

Yes, thank you. Several users and a moderator have already given me a couple of tips on how to avoid such accusations.

You were warned months ago about your behaviour but that didnt make you stop.You still wouldnt stop if no one made this topic

If you create a very long topic, but only show the sources after clicking Page Down 21 times, it looks like you wrote it by yourself until I finish reading. If you copy data from other websites, it should be obvious to the reader that you did this. If someone stops reading before reaching the end, he'll never see your sources.

Let me put it this way: if you (or anyone else) would use my text in such a way, it wouldn't feel like you do justice to the effort I put in.
If you improve on your referencing, you'll also avoid giving anyone an excuse to create topics like this.

[airfinex]

Lauda бы нaзвaлa тeбя xитpoй.  I am not so gentle: I will call you xитpoвыeбaннoй.

This is obviously deserve a merit. Of course, if it would be from native speaking russian user i would consider it as bad taste. But such jokes is beyond of understanding of any westerner (even for people who understand russian language, like suchmoon .nullius, please, this is just example of a user who can speak on russian, don't start any essay about suchmoon pls. thx in advance).

And yeah, i think this topic should be closed, because it turned to be arena with a lot of angry noobs. Mods has said their words.

And yeah, your try to accuse someone in hypocrisy will not work. Russians (in a a counterweight to ukrainians and belarusians) are well known for their "двoeмыcлиe". So it's too natural for them for example to hunt criminals and in the same time to make some crimes (russian police). Or to be banned for plagiarism and to catch plagiarists and to show zero tolerance to already banned people.

It doesn't matter wrong Ratimov or you, Ratimov can't understand your accuses.


P.S: I will be glad to get answer (besides i doubt that the answer is needed here) not longer than my original post )

lovesmayfamilis will not answer in this conversation, since she has nothing to say in excuse.

[wooI_Ioow]

Why limit yourself to English alone? His crap has been also spotted in Spanish and Italian boards. He's a multilingual plagiarist.

Wow, that's actually genius. Not only you are helping internationally, you are also informing other local boards. I guess I should start doing this for the sake of knowledge and spreading positive information to the whole forum.

Ratimov is a pioneer.

To pay tribute to him do it  under Ratimov hashtag. Look at mine

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5299795.msg55820820#msg55820820

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5299844.msg55822034#msg55822034