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March 25, 2014, 11:20:25 AM
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Cmon folks, its not their fault they want to make a fortune out of their crappy exchange ur willing to play with =]
When you call their exchange crappy you really need something better to compare it to than cryptsy or poloniex.
Both of which have been hacked in the past as well....

It fucking happens.


How about instead of adding every single SHIT coin that is out there they could focus on those that actually have a community backing it??? Spend more time securing those instead?

*armchair commander mode activated*

yes yes, just "make it better"

or "make it more secure"

Those are the kinds of instructions you get from the best bosses in the world.

Only listing coins with "a community backing it" does not prevent you from getting hacked or stolen from.
All the "community backing" in the world doesn't stop bugs in the code.
God... what a useless post.

Maybe you should read the whole thing, if the so called "devs" at Cryptorush knew what they were doing they wouldnt have built the system as it is. Read my whole post... You said yourself and I quote

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Contrary to what you probably think you know about web development, this is complicated shit, and hardening every single protocol against every single bug or problem is complicated as fuck not to mention nearly impossible. Every single coin that is listed on exchanges is beta quality at best. Bugs are to be expected at this point in development.
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and I said
How about instead of adding every single SHIT coin that is out there they could focus on those that actually have a community backing it??? Spend more time securing those instead?

How about focusing on just a few coins and making sure things like this dont happen? Get your head out of your ass and stop defending scammers.

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March 25, 2014, 11:21:51 AM
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The blackcoin developer should fixed the bug and help finding missing coins. Fuking BC dev should care community!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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March 25, 2014, 11:22:55 AM
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What the fuck is wrong with you ignorant pieces of shit?
He has already established that it was a bug in the blackcoin protocol.
This man is out a lot of capital because of it and your only thought is to blame him?
Hes obviously going to have to repay those customers.

I haven't read everything about the matter but perhaps it's because they shouldn't have trusted only one source of information to figure out the balances (i.e. ask the daemon) when people's monies are at stake. Imo they should've at minimum double checked by calculating the balances deposits-withdraws+buys-sells or something similar. And when the checks fail halt the whole site immediately.
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March 25, 2014, 11:27:20 AM
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The blackcoin developer should fixed the bug and help finding missing coins. Fuking BC dev should care community!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

If it is BCs dev fault, why none of the other exchanges are affected?
This turns out to be same thing as MTGox, another bug, but only with impact if your implementation in an exchange is very unusual, not to say faulty.

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March 25, 2014, 11:30:19 AM
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The blackcoin developer should fixed the bug and help finding missing coins. Fuking BC dev should care community!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

If it is BCs dev fault, why none of the other exchanges are affected?
This turns out to be same thing as MTGox, another bug, but only with impact if your implementation in an exchange is very unusual, not to say faulty.

Basically, if they trusted the wallet, which is something everyone does when they use a wallet.  To what degree... well that depends on the implementation.
The timing of the events tends to make a difference as well.
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March 25, 2014, 11:31:22 AM
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so basically cryptorush is run by 5 year olds, that messed up and then blame the dev.
Glad i never had an account there.

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March 25, 2014, 11:32:25 AM
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someone tech savy needs to whois CR and post details of the website owner. i don't see this whole situation going down well.
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March 25, 2014, 11:34:19 AM
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So have CR frozen all withdrawals i'm trying to get my BTC out of there & getting 'Failed to send to specified account'

Or just a me problem  Huh
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March 25, 2014, 11:35:11 AM
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I lost 300BC at CR if its true but my bigger concern is that I haven't been able to withdraw any of my BTC balance from CR in the last 24 hours. Makes me worried that they're refusing to pay out BTC in order to cover their asses. Anyone been able to withdraw BTC from Cryptorush?
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March 25, 2014, 11:35:32 AM
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Class A lawsuit and end of story.
Shut it down NOW!
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March 25, 2014, 11:37:11 AM
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I lost 300BC at CR if its true but my bigger concern is that I haven't been able to withdraw any of my BTC balance from CR in the last 24 hours. Makes me worried that they're refusing to pay out BTC in order to cover their asses. Anyone been able to withdraw BTC from Cryptorush?

Just posted the same thing above you.
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March 25, 2014, 11:37:59 AM
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I lost 300BC at CR if its true but my bigger concern is that I haven't been able to withdraw any of my BTC balance from CR in the last 24 hours. Makes me worried that they're refusing to pay out BTC in order to cover their asses. Anyone been able to withdraw BTC from Cryptorush?

I am glad i have not much there, tried to withdraw BTC some times yesterday, always fails and says try again later.

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March 25, 2014, 11:38:14 AM
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So have CR frozen all withdrawals i'm trying to get my BTC out of there & getting 'Failed to send to specified account'

Or just a me problem  Huh

They are ignoring the BTC withdrawal issues. I have personally tried >50 times in the past 12 hours but it never went through.
CR claims it is working fine and we should keep retrying?
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March 25, 2014, 11:42:19 AM
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If you're using only the wallets api for getbalance "account" no wonder your exchange is so fucked.  This is messed up in lots of coins, especially POS coins because staking transfers the balances to new addresses.  You run an exchange and don't know this?


How does every other exchange not have a problem with this?  You are clearly showing your incompetence here.
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March 25, 2014, 11:43:27 AM
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Trying to withdraw BTC and getting a failed message. Perfect.
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March 25, 2014, 11:43:39 AM
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so THAT'S where my fucking millions of ZEIT went, i knew i wasn't imagining it. i feel sorry for anyone who lost BC.
vircurex goxxed people yesterday, today i realise cryptorush has nicked all my zeit and as if that's not enough, i can't withdraw coins from cryptsy. fuck me.
the first crypto-specialist software devs who are actually fucking competent, will be very rich soon. every exchange is just not up to the job atm.

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March 25, 2014, 11:44:38 AM
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F&$*#&%*&#*&CK i went all-in with 116,298.82720900 BC

And it was doing well too!!!

Just a bump on the road, price is stable at bter.
Chill man.

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March 25, 2014, 11:48:21 AM
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F&$*#&%*&#*&CK i went all-in with 116,298.82720900 BC

And it was doing well too!!!

Just a bump on the road, price is stable at bter.
Chill man.

Eh... If I just lost 116k BC, I'd say FUCK as well.

Yes but he didn't specify that the BC was standing on cryptorush.

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March 25, 2014, 11:51:34 AM
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Hey guys,

Just thought I would post an announcement about the status of BlackCoin at Crypto Rush. As you all know there was an unannounced fork earlier today that caused many people to upgrade without proper notice. We at Crypto Rush didn't find out until 7 hours later. For this we apologise about our slow updating to the new version causing many traders potential losses. This is where we announce that BlackCoin was stolen from us by users, caused by a bug in the BlackCoin daemon.

This bug came from the way stake coins work and how they respond to RPC calls and getbalance [accountname] queries, something which we rely on to operate our exchange. Up until this upgrade we had no issues with using BlackCoin and it was trading perfectly well. The bug with the stake caused everyones user balance to inflate to an extra 22 million coins. This is similar to the Zeitcoin issue in the sense that peoples balances were wrong and therefore withdrew more than they had. It's really getting old news for us, and this time the loss was even bigger than Zeitcoin.

Here's a generated report showing some figures.

Total withdrawn: 20,381,892.41143484
Total deposited: 20,448,517.07003221
Total stake generated: 1,640.08575003
Supposed current site balance: 66,624.65859738
Consolidated reported current site balance (user daemon accounts): 22,052,756.46576266
Actual daemon balance: 68,025.87273473

As you can see, the report showed that every combined users reported balance is over 22 million when our wallet balance is only 68k. At the time we pulled BC offline after the update we had only 53.xx coins on the balance. This is a clear sign of a stake bug, and as you can see by this daemon call it confirms the origins of the bug.

./blackcoind getbalance ''
-22052702.65300247

This is because, as told to us by the developer, a bug where the state generation takes away the amount from the main account while still generating the amounts under the specific daemon accounts. We were working with the developer for a while to resolve the issue, and he did fix the bug in the daemon, making our statistics report correct again.

Total withdrawn: 20,381,892.41143484
Total deposited: 20,448,517.07003221
Total stake generated: 1,640.08575003
Supposed current site balance: 66,624.65859738
Consolidated reported current site balance (user daemon accounts): 66,624.39639811
Actual daemon balance: 68,025.87273473

After we confirmed this data and had the developer confirm with us that this was indeed a bug, he responded with the following: "i see these numbers, what do you expect from me?". He is refusing to help us in solving the issue. For future reference here is a complete pastebin log of the chat since I joined the channel #bcdevmeeting and my conversation with the developer http://pastebin.com/qW3xRmcL. The log clearly shows him helping us solve the problem and admitting to a bug, but refusing to have any care about how to resolve the situation.

Obviously we knew as soon as we took off the BC markets for a second time it was a serious issue. It took us long to generate the data and reports to confirm the exact amount of loss, which is 1554503.10052230, 121.xx Bitcoins at the time of writing. It was taken by users who withdrew coins they knew did not belong to them. We had one user come to us and report that he had more balance than he should have and wanted to give them back. A very warm thanks to this user, we need more people like them in crypto. A couple of other users notified that balances just "popped up" for them after the update.

To top it off, as soon as we launched BlackCoin's update we underwent a 8 hour constant DDoS attack which we've now since patched and blocked. This just adds to the mess and situation that everyone had to go through.

Guys, all I can say is, we're totally pissed off that this happened for both us and for everyone affected. Me and the team work very very hard to keep up with everyone's messages, tickets and IRC chats while continuing to develop the site and fix any bugs that arise. My personal opinion is if this fork was realised sooner it could have been better planned. There was absolutely no prior warning to it happening. I can't believe that we are the only ones that were negatively affected. I'm sure there are tons of users who lost out on great trading opportunities due to this fork and downtime on other sites.

Once again we apologise for our own issues with both downtime and late upgrades of the client. We'll post more when we know how we can pay back affected users or get some compensation for this massive massive loss. 100 BTC doesn't just come out of thin air, so please be patient while we make this right. I'll answer as many questions as I can here publicly about this issue, any off-topic questions will be ignored unless relevant. If anyone has any suggestions for how we can solve the issue, please do let us know.

Until further notice BlackCoin trading is suspended on Crypto Rush.

Regards,
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You are blaming the devs? What do you want, another fork to refund? How did you code allow negative balance and withdrawals to continue? Did you test the code?
I don't have sympathy for good reason - not one exchange employs security white hat help it seems. Happy to take 2% fee in profit, but security holes in code allowing negative balance? That's just ridiculous.  Roll Eyes

You should have employd a better database coder. Allowing negative balances is unacceptable.
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March 25, 2014, 11:56:45 AM
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Thanks for the statement CryptoRush so we know what is happening
Hope you can solve/rectify soon
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