Best Way to Carry Your Seed When Traveling Or Moving Abroad?

[BigBoy89]

Custom seed - I picked up a public domain book and my feed is the X word from page Y, X+1 & Y+1, etc. Thus my seed is always online, always accessible through the internet and yet always hidden.

Now that you've made your setup public, anyone familiar with you in person and enough incentive will be able to figure it out and find your seed and steal your coins.

Good luck with that!

IMO this is even harder than just brute-force combining every the possible allowed word in the dictionary. There are millions of free public domain books online (https://lifehacker.com/access-millions-of-free-books-added-to-the-public-domai-1837073153, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain).

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[Darker45]

The most secure method is to commit your seed to your own memory, this way it can only be stored if you are forced to reveal it under some threat. But this method is also dangerous, because human memory is so unreliable.

I'm thinking this to be the most reliable way of carrying your seed when you are travelling but I realized that I don't have a sharp memory already and I can forget the seeds in an instant or after a few days.

It is easy to remember the seed if you are always using it. The question is, how many times in a year are we using our seed? As for me, I cannot remember the last time I made use of my 24-word seed. Truth be told, I cannot even remember a single word from it.

I travel often and I am just carrying my seed with me on a small piece of scratch paper inside my wallet. I think it is not the safest way, though. I'm just a little confident that if my wallet gets lost or taken, nobody would understand what those words are for, at least in this part of the world. But now I think I should at least have them written on 4 different pieces of paper, 6 words per piece.

[panganib999]

The most secure method is to commit your seed to your own memory, this way it can only be stored if you are forced to reveal it under some threat. But this method is also dangerous, because human memory is so unreliable.

I'm thinking this to be the most reliable way of carrying your seed when you are travelling but I realized that I don't have a sharp memory already and I can forget the seeds in an instant or after a few days.

It is easy to remember the seed if you are always using it. The question is, how many times in a year are we using our seed? As for me, I cannot remember the last time I made use of my 24-word seed. Truth be told, I cannot even remember a single word from it.

I travel often and I am just carrying my seed with me on a small piece of scratch paper inside my wallet. I think it is not the safest way, though. I'm just a little confident that if my wallet gets lost or taken, nobody would understand what those words are for, at least in this part of the world. But now I think I should at least have them written on 4 different pieces of paper, 6 words per piece.

Actually I undesrtand the idea of yours. I also didn't remembered or even memorized my own seed. We all need to admit rhat it is truly hard to memorized it so we definitely need some othwr ways to save it or to remebered it because it is a very long words. For me, I carry my seeds thrpugh my phone. I used some app like notepad or even some textpad that had some private key or pincode in order to secure it. Writing it on a piece of paper is good but what will happen if that piece of paper lost? You need some back up. Social media is one also of the choices. Like putting it in a chatbox on ypurself in order to easy to access to it. Private Key or Seeds are definitely one of the most important thing in order to access our online wallet. We need to take care of it wisely.

[malevolent]

Custom seed - I picked up a public domain book and my feed is the X word from page Y, X+1 & Y+1, etc. Thus my seed is always online, always accessible through the internet and yet always hidden.

Now that you've made your setup public, anyone familiar with you in person and enough incentive will be able to figure it out and find your seed and steal your coins.

Good luck with that!

IMO this is even harder than just brute-force combining every the possible allowed word in the dictionary. There are millions of free public domain books online (https://lifehacker.com/access-millions-of-free-books-added-to-the-public-domai-1837073153, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain).

You said yourself your "seed is always online", meaning there are a lot of bored people searching for and competing to steal from brainwallets similar to yours. Hopefully it's a warpwallet or something similar with key stretching.

[Darker45]

For me, I carry my seeds thrpugh my phone...

The problem with saving seed in your phone is that your phone could be online most of the time. It could therefore be infiltrated with malwares and your seed accessed.

Social media is one also of the choices. Like putting it in a chatbox on ypurself in order to easy to access to it. Private Key or Seeds are definitely one of the most important thing in order to access our online wallet. We need to take care of it wisely.

Saving your private key or mnemonic seed in an online device is bad enough. Saving it in a social media site is suicide.

While you are aware that your private keys and mnemonic seed are very important and that they should be taken care wisely, I guess you are betraying these very words because you are doing it wrong.

Your chat box is never a safety place. Gossips cannot even be safe there, how much more are your private keys and seed?

[shoreno]

most people that work outside are not familiar with btc or those stuffs because they spend their time working outside with their non btc/crypto jobs

. they will scan your items and what can they only see is a paper and it will be akward if they will record or write , seed phrases are also long and compose many words ao i dont think they can memorize those all . lastly there are cctv's and i hope that will record all suspicious activities if you still feel worried .

[larus]

You can just write it in the book or note book, no one will notice it

[Alucard1]

There are already good ways of storing your seep upon traveling mentioned above, the best thing to deal with it only stores it on your memory, that is the safest way and a risky way as well especially if you are not good at reminding something you have read but if you are confident enough that you won't lose it on your memory then go for it. You may also write it in a piece of paper and put it on your wallet on your phone's case, that is already safe, just make sure not to be stolen.

[kotajikikox]

What really confused me is that You created the Thread with Long Post and then Followed another one with another long post that the interval is just few Seconds , mind what's the intention behind ? I don't see you promoting that Google Dropbox of course (unless that's true) but why have you already composted the Posts before Posting yet you did both individually sent?Sorry but just confusing in my part because most of the poster doing this is promoting something in return.

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But in regards to Your question and concerning Custom official that may have interest to your ledger and Seed together ,Obviously the Seed can be in a paper wallet in which too small to take attraction when inserted somewhere your luggage ,you can customize that to have a safety since scan wont react on that unless it is a Bulk of Money so just act simply , the problem with people who carry important thing is that their actions are obvious and can be analyze by skilled bad elements ,if you are not sending KYC to somewhere in crypto world and separated your real life business in this market ,i don't think someone will go suspected you .

[dothebeats]

If you have intentions to go back after travelling, storing the seed in a nice safety deposit box in a bank would be recommended. I highly suggest that you do this but also add another layer of security on the seed itself, like placing a couple of spoof seeds that go along the original one. This way you’ll be the one who knows which is which when you come back. If you want to carry the seed with you however, old phones that are always stored in a safe place, coupled with some storage devices such as flash drives that don’t connect to the internet are some that you can use and do, too.

[Lorence.xD]

You can just write it in the book or note book, no one will notice it

Exactly, a piece of paper will get easily lost. Try having a journal or a ledger to write your seed phrase. I have mine on a Moleskine and it feels safer there because even if the custom looks at it, they will never bat an eye. If you really want to up your game with hiding it, you can use layers of ciphers to mask your real seed phrase.

[milani]

Only good memory can help you in this case. But it is a great risk to forget some symbol or mix them. But in case paper variant can not be hidden very good, so only learning seeds, it is the only variant. Or hiding it on the open place - may be to engrave inside of the band or ring, or on the bracelet without some or the one last symbol from seed that you will remember.

[figmentofmyass]

Custom seed - I picked up a public domain book and my feed is the X word from page Y, X+1 & Y+1, etc. Thus my seed is always online, always accessible through the internet and yet always hidden.

Now that you've made your setup public, anyone familiar with you in person and enough incentive will be able to figure it out and find your seed and steal your coins.

Good luck with that!

IMO this is even harder than just brute-force combining every the possible allowed word in the dictionary. There are millions of free public domain books online (https://lifehacker.com/access-millions-of-free-books-added-to-the-public-domai-1837073153, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain).

i assume you didn't actually post the full algorithm publicly?

if it's just privately written down/stored, then it's just an encrypted seed---not the best encryption, but no one who finds it will instantly be able to break it.

keep in mind however, that for anyone remotely sophisticated who is able to take time brute forcing, there are only "millions" of possible combinations. that's not secure at all. i wouldn't consider it sufficiently encrypted to store publicly. it's a lot better than storing a seed in plain text though.

[pixie85]

but for me keep it simple write down in piece paper and put it  on your wallet the custom will not check for that

If you get searched because they suspect you of smuggling or something they could look into your wallet. They can make you strip if they feel like it.

The best way is probably storing a copy in an encrypted USB pendrive. They don't check digital files, only physical stuff.

You can also carry a hardware wallet with.

[BigBoy89]

Custom seed - I picked up a public domain book and my feed is the X word from page Y, X+1 & Y+1, etc. Thus my seed is always online, always accessible through the internet and yet always hidden.

Now that you've made your setup public, anyone familiar with you in person and enough incentive will be able to figure it out and find your seed and steal your coins.

Good luck with that!

IMO this is even harder than just brute-force combining every the possible allowed word in the dictionary. There are millions of free public domain books online (https://lifehacker.com/access-millions-of-free-books-added-to-the-public-domai-1837073153, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain).

i assume you didn't actually post the full algorithm publicly?

if it's just privately written down/stored, then it's just an encrypted seed---not the best encryption, but no one who finds it will instantly be able to break it.

keep in mind however, that for anyone remotely sophisticated who is able to take time brute forcing, there are only "millions" of possible combinations. that's not secure at all. i wouldn't consider it sufficiently encrypted to store publicly. it's a lot better than storing a seed in plain text though.

You are right, of course, it's not the full algorithm, neither the exact.

'Crypting and coding' algorithm like that are used by people from centuries. I first pick up the idea of reading some historical books in the pre-internet era for a different purpose. Then put in action for crypto wallet a few years ago after watching "Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows". Professor James Moriarty notes are coded in a similar way.

[Shasha80]

To be honest, the safest place to store seeds is a safe deposit box in a bank, because I keep my seed there along with other securities.
But if we travel frequently it is difficult too, especially going abroad. In my opinion, the most effective way is to store it online, even though
the risk is quite large. I usually save part of it in email and save part of it in the notes on my smartphone. So far it is safe and has never
been hacked, maybe those of you who often travel can try the solution I did.

[squatter]

To be honest, the safest place to store seeds is a safe deposit box in a bank, because I keep my seed there along with other securities.

A safe deposit box is very secure against most adversaries, but against an adversarial government -- probably not.

I'm at least slightly paranoid about a Bitcoin version of Executive Order 6102 -- where the government banned gold ownership, forced citizens to sell their gold to the government, and confiscated it from those who didn't comply.

If your seed is sitting in a safe deposit box, I highly recommend encrypting it. Better safe than sorry!

[NeuroticFish]

1. Extend the seed with custom word(s); keep the seed wherever you want, keep the custom words on the back of your kids'/wife/whatever photo in your wallet (and somewhere else too)
2. Encrypt the seed with a password
3. Keep in parts. 12 words there and 12 words somewhere else. This works even as 2 different books/documents/whatever in your own luggage, as long as they are not obviously printed as a list of words, although in case of luggage I'd feel safer if I'd use [1] or [2].

Keep in mind to store the seed in at least 2 different places, just in case one burns down or whatever...

[lepbagong]

You can just write it in the book or note book, no one will notice it

Exactly, a piece of paper will get easily lost. Try having a journal or a ledger to write your seed phrase. I have mine on a Moleskine and it feels safer there because even if the custom looks at it, they will never bat an eye. If you really want to up your game with hiding it, you can use layers of ciphers to mask your real seed phrase.

I also believe that if you put it only on a sheet of paper, even though it may be practically clear, it can't guarantee that it won't be easily lost or the notes become blurry due to oil exposure or folds. really not recommended for that very simple thing.
Moleskine that you say I just know and have never used but with a form that is too large like that for you it is very practical for storage !!! You say you can do protection, of course you can be very reliable, but for me the shape is still too big and not practical, but it all depends on your taste and maybe you think it is the best.

I myself have no idea what I will do if I have to do it, maybe I will try from the many reviews which one is the best.

[maxreish]

but for me keep it simple write down in piece paper and put it  on your wallet the custom will not check for that

If you get searched because they suspect you of smuggling or something they could look into your wallet. They can make you strip if they feel like it.

The best way is probably storing a copy in an encrypted USB pendrive. They don't check digital files, only physical stuff.

You can also carry a hardware wallet with.

Usb drive is a good item to store your seed. Or perhaps that piece of paper you can actually write but you dont have to write in full. You can actually memorize the first 5 to 10 letters and write the rest of it. Leave behind the worries even other people see your seed as they can't stole it. There are so many ways actually if you are carrying it all the time then you can try one of the suggestions here.