Have you ever proven fairness of games?

[actmyname]

I think the fact that so many gamblers are (apparently) so vehemently against checking the authenticity of their bets is very distressing.

What's that old saying for that one cryptocurrency that people tend to use, again?

"Don't trust. Verify."Blind trust means that exploitation is possible. Instead of saying, "yeah, but I trust them anyway," why not eliminate the need for trust at all?

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PS: Thank you @Text for mentioning me due to which I noticed the thread.

Welcome, it just that you are the first thing that came to my mind and I remember when such matters because you helped and guided me on how to do it.  Of course, @efi and his Gosu platform are included.  Maybe the others, in the beginning, do not pay attention to the verification of their bets, and only then will they doubt if it is fair when they have experienced a severely loose streak especially if they do not accept defeat.  But when you gamble at reputable and trusted casinos you have no fear of fraud.

[LimLims]

The best you can do is play at a site that has professional gambling games from a provider such as Netent. There are plenty of large sites on the forum that offer that. Then you know for sure that you play fair games.

Yes thats absolutely the OP can do.
Moreover another way the OP can ensure himself that he is being not cheated.
He can play at popular gambling sites or casinos and you can find the list here only.
Op can play at PD, stake, Bitsler and they provide the most fair games possible.
Op also can try sports betting and these events completely based on luck.

[imstillthebest]

not all casino has a provably fair .
 there are honest casinos that dont put provably fair because they dont have but there are liers that put provably fair when they dont have ,
they did it to decieve gamblers because gamblers are looking for a provably fair casino thinking that they can score a win but why choose those who didnt have that  ?
provably or not ,
losses can come  but natural loose is acceptable than loosing because of an unfair game  .
we can easily verify if a casino has a provably fair  or not on our own  , no need to call for  a specialist .

[Russlenat]

If you are not good enough with analyzing or proving the numbers to determine if a site is not cheating to us, I think you should gamble on sites with good reputation, they have volume of gamblers, you can expect that few of them are smart enough, so if there's no complaint against the site, that means they are not cheating gamblers and their provably fair games are real fair.

[lebregone]

It has been raised for quite a few times already on how to see the fairness of their game, maybe a player who have tech knowledge can do so but what about the regular players?

In my case, I am avoiding any games that has a provably fair feature not unless they can provide us a means to verify their fairness via a third party applications that are not bias also. What I will be looking forward is that there will be a platform or a group of people who are willing to create a platform that will verify every algorithm that was used in every casino and to check whether it is probably fair or not.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I think you have to try many sites, platforms that use Provably Fair, which is widely used in most sites and with a great reputation, what you have to keep in mind is that the house will always have a minimal advantage, if you play with a lot of routine, you will lose fast.

[acener]

Although it has come to my mind but I never really question the fairness of the games or the gambling sites that I use.
Even though it might seems that the site is cheating but I think it is just a bad luck or I am just being too greedy that I lost it all.
For me it is part of gambling we would lose and we should just take it as it is since there is nothing we could do about it since we are just a regular player,
I would just leave it to those who have knowledge about it to find out if the gambling sites are cheating or not.

[leea-1334]

I think the fact that so many gamblers are (apparently) so vehemently against checking the authenticity of their bets is very distressing.

What's that old saying for that one cryptocurrency that people tend to use, again?

"Don't trust. Verify."Blind trust means that exploitation is possible. Instead of saying, "yeah, but I trust them anyway," why not eliminate the need for trust at all?

Along with many other sayings that crypto circles promote, yet very few actually practice,,, like "not your keys, not your coins".

I think we have to accept that the majority of crypto retail users just treat crypto as another digital currency, not different from paypal or other ingame coins. And maybe this is the future after all?

[rijaljun]

I played on the casinos that was known for a long time but sometimes when I'm on losing streak I checked my bets to see if they are fair enough so far I managed to check and they are fair I also use some other ways to prove it like using other service or some tutorials online to check it for yourself and not on the built-in verifier.

[peter0425]

Depend on the sites involved , but for Me before i will totally engaged in a gambling site i'll make sure to check their probability in which i will Bet small amount and try in some rolls .

Then my satisfaction will tell me if the site is legit or not.

But asking in general ? yeah i have Proven these are truly In the Games.

[Reatim]

It will Be Unfair if i will Use the Name of my Signature as an example but Indeed , in Here Fairness is happening and you can try checking your self.

Though there are some site that Liar and only imposing their probability but in the reality of Game they are cheater and BS gaming.

I think you have to try many sites, platforms that use Provably Fair, which is widely used in most sites and with a great reputation, what you have to keep in mind is that the house will always have a minimal advantage, if you play with a lot of routine, you will lose fast.

Thats the best advise , Explore the gambling area , bet cheap amount for your own checking  because Fairness will reflect in at least 5-10 bets and you will decide which is legit and which are scam.

[shield132]

The best you can do is play at a site that has professional gambling games from a provider such as Netent. There are plenty of large sites on the forum that offer that. Then you know for sure that you play fair games.

But that's the thing, you can't actually know you're playing fair games just by going to such a casino. Not that I have anything against Netent or other providers. I'm not saying their games aren't fair either, but the fact is that you can't know, you can only trust their word. That's the whole idea behind provably fair games, to get around that.

When it comes to live BlackJack, you actually see what they are doing in live. On another hand, they have thousands of employees, for example Evolution has up to 3K employee in a country where lives up to 3.5 million people, so, I hugely doubt all of them are so professionals to cheat customers online. In overall, no, live casinos and in this case, Evolution, doesn't cheat, the game is 100% provably fair. The problem is that people lose and think that game isn't fair while in reality games are mathematically made to be profitable for casinos in long term. Also, in most cases, governments regulate casinos and it's prohibited to cheat customers (I know a case when the government was checking the casino's fairness).

[actmyname]

I think we have to accept that the majority of crypto retail users just treat crypto as another digital currency, not different from paypal or other ingame coins. And maybe this is the future after all?

Even if that's the case, gamblers especially should do it at least once. If you confirm that the server/client+nonce process functions as intended, then that set of bets is in-line with provable fairness.

However much you want to extrapolate your trust from just that, do as you may, but the fallacy of argumentum ad populum is not one that I want anyone to make. The birth of blind trust leads to death of logic.

[carlisle1]

It's your own way on finding if there is a Fairness or not in casino games.

But in my time playing and betting ? yeah i can assure that legit casino sites has their Percentage of fairness , though not everyone has the same but at least they are offering and giving this to their players.

But of course they will make sure at in the end , They will Win as operators .. Look at the Big casinos now ,how can they offer Huge return for their player if they are not winning and surely taking the Money of each players.

[kryptqnick]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

I must admit that I usually don't check it when I see that it's provably fair and when it looks legit. But I did try checking the fairness a few times on websites that made it very easy. I don't remember the name of that casino, but it had a provably fair check tutorial, and it was really easy to do it because it had explanations and I didn't have to go on a separate website for this. I think it's good when it's possible to check it, but I don't think it's necessary to do it all the time unless you suspect that something is off.

[finaleshot2016]

No, because I believe that gambling is a business and of course they're the one will benefit a lot from this business. There are parts of the games that is probably fair but if you look at the bigger view, there are flaws on the system which makes it unfair such as the algorithm which we don't know because they're the one who develops it. In casino houses, there are tricks that can be done in order to lessen the winning streak of a certain person but I personally don't know how it works. It will be always up to you if you'll consider it fair or not because you're the one who experiences it and you're the one who'll believe it.

[iamsheikhadil]

Well, it depends on the popularity and good-will of the company for me ngl. I never really bet huge funds to actually care if the casino is rigging me in the long term. I do verify bets when I lose right on the first roll or let's say losing at 1.01x twice, I just do it to verify and to quench my ego and anger that says I can't lose for games like slots, it heavily depends on the provider. Games from providers like netent or evolution gaming are so popular so I don't really verify my games I play there. 

[Insanerman]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

I've already been on dozens and dozens of online gambling casinos and their fairness is often measured by how many users have been wagered that wins that must be greater compared to those loses wagers. You cannot really prove a fairness of a platform if its clients were only composed of not exceeding 100, as the probability is more reliable when the data is of a greater number. Hence, I know I can trust the provably fair of a platform once the total number of wins is more than 50%.

[Twentyonepaylots]

Not a lot of people do that because either time constraints, the boiling excitement to gamble, or both are not allowing them, myself included. And to be honest, this term has been thrown here and there that it lost its flavor already, so people most likely aren't even caring about if a game is provably fair in the first place because they don't have any way of proving it to the people anyway, so people stop caring.