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January 08, 2021, 08:59:56 PM |
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All of your markets are very +EV for the player: (at least for NBA) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Faizg2X7.png&t=665&c=dXQEuQgxMLu5hA) I don't see how any legitimate sportsbook could launch with such a large oversight (and negative profit potential). I think the site being a scam would be pretty likely with their goal being to get you to make a bet and not paying out if you win.
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January 08, 2021, 09:04:35 PM |
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They do not even have a gambling license. No license and a new bookmaker should raise some flags. For me this look does not very professional, using a proton mail address:
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January 08, 2021, 09:08:21 PM |
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All of your markets are very +EV for the player: (at least for NBA) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Faizg2X7.png&t=665&c=dXQEuQgxMLu5hA) I don't see how any legitimate sportsbook could launch with such a large oversight (and negative profit potential). I think the site being a scam would be pretty likely with their goal being to get you to make a bet and not paying out if you win. I also have some questions about this. How can you offer a market with values that are above 2.00 for both outcomes? That is impossible. There is no bookmaker worldwide that puts both odds above 2.00. Then the customer would always win without running any kind of risk. What is going on here? Never seen this before. Something is wrong. It smells like a cheap scam attempt, like Darkstar already indicates. Maybe the op can explain how it is possible that you can offer on basketball odds for over/under 216,5 for 2.13 and 2.07 That is really impossible!
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January 08, 2021, 09:25:27 PM |
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Hello @DarkStar_
Thank you for your message. We saw it and fixed our integrator problem but you probably saw cached odds, thanks!
Hello @gadado
The reason we are using ProtonMail is to reduce the cyberattack surface since gambling sites are mostly targeted by criminals. We know ProtonMail is the most secure solution for e-mails, It's why we are using and will always use it.
What does that have to do with an attack? If criminals want to attack you, they will launch a DDOS attack. I don't see how using a protonmail address prevents that. But more importantly, a proton mail address does not convey any professionalism. And that is very important for customers. By the way, why don't you have a gambling license? Where is your company located that operates this website?
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January 08, 2021, 09:31:41 PM |
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Hello @DarkStar_
Thank you for your message. We saw it and fixed our integrator problem but you probably saw cached odds, thanks!
Hello @gadado
The reason we are using ProtonMail is to reduce the cyberattack surface since gambling sites are mostly targeted by criminals. We know ProtonMail is the most secure solution for e-mails, It's why we are using and will always use it.
A cache problem? I don't think it is a cache problem. It looks more like bad coding or trying to attract customers by giving to high odds. Protonmail can be reliable and a good secure choice for yourself as a company, but trust me, customer really do not want to spent their money on a gambling site that uses a simple proton mail account.
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January 08, 2021, 09:38:37 PM |
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Hello @DarkStar_
Thank you for your message. We saw it and fixed our integrator problem but you probably saw cached odds, thanks!
Hello @gadado
The reason we are using ProtonMail is to reduce the cyberattack surface since gambling sites are mostly targeted by criminals. We know ProtonMail is the most secure solution for e-mails, It's why we are using and will always use it.
A cache problem? I don't think it is a cache problem. It looks more like bad coding or trying to attract customers by giving to high odds. Protonmail can be reliable and a good secure choice for yourself as a company, but trust me, customer really do not want to spent their money on a gambling site that uses a simple proton mail account. Cache problem? that's a bullshit excuse...If you are the owner of this one, you would ensure that you wont really be giving out these kind of problem or errors. This is clear that this was intentional and trying out to deceive people, Darkstar had already mentioned above about +EV which is really an impossible thing to see in legit bookies that we do have today. Lastly, the site design doesn't look professional or just simply look a school project.
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January 08, 2021, 09:46:34 PM |
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They are probably new in this gambling world now. And also new on the forum. The least they should have done is start a proper announcement topic. I don't like the layout of the site, but that doesn't always say everything on a site. You can have a bad looking layout, but it can work well in terms of functionality. Whether that is the case; we should wait and judge. Too bad there is no gambling license.
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January 08, 2021, 09:51:29 PM |
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The reason we are using ProtonMail is to reduce the cyberattack surface since gambling sites are mostly targeted by criminals. We know ProtonMail is the most secure solution for e-mails, It's why we are using and will always use it.
If the reason of using protomail is to reduce the rate of cyber attack or criminal's not to attack gambling sites, I really wants to know if we have analysis of gambling sites that has been attack by hacker's before and protonmail happened to protect it's interest, and what is going to be the benefit if attack a gambling site, or they have a specific site these Protonmail protect or some specific sites, because I know vividly that criminals have different dimension or strategies to implies if really them want to decode the code or attack existing site, I really want to be convinced.
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January 08, 2021, 09:52:46 PM |
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Hello @DarkStar_
Thank you for your message. We saw it and fixed our integrator problem but you probably saw cached odds, thanks!
Hello @gadado
The reason we are using ProtonMail is to reduce the cyberattack surface since gambling sites are mostly targeted by criminals. We know ProtonMail is the most secure solution for e-mails, It's why we are using and will always use it.
What does that have to do with an attack? If criminals want to attack you, they will launch a DDOS attack. I don't see how using a protonmail address prevents that. But more importantly, a proton mail address does not convey any professionalism. And that is very important for customers. By the way, why don't you have a gambling license? Where is your company located that operates this website? Hello @BTCGOLDIt seems that thinking about security (and maybe even from a wrong approach) was not a good idea and is giving users an amateurish sensation. So we will definitely switch to our e-mail in a few days. Thanks for bringing that up! We are based in Costa Rica (pura vida!) and we don't have any license, but it will change in near future!
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January 08, 2021, 11:22:12 PM |
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They are probably new in this gambling world now. And also new on the forum. The least they should have done is start a proper announcement topic. I don't like the layout of the site, but that doesn't always say everything on a site. You can have a bad looking layout, but it can work well in terms of functionality. Whether that is the case; we should wait and judge. Too bad there is no gambling license.
Hello @coi[Suspicious link removed]incessIndeed, it wasn't the smoothest launch, but we appreciate all the feedback, and even the harshest ones are welcomed by us! We are constantly improving and the design will get better. Our aim is to keep it simple. You may try dark mode and see if it makes any difference for you. And also, acquire at least eCuracao gaming license. Maybe people here will not be so harsh. You are still a newcomer here so expect they will throw valid questions to you. As long as you have serious intentions here, and keeps on answering users here. I guess, in time, they will slow down with comments. But you need to improve according to what is necessary to be a legit sportsbook.
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January 08, 2021, 11:36:08 PM |
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Another day, another casino in the making. For sure, he will receive a lot of criticisms here. But if he can get out alive, it means he is sincere in launching this platform. Hope they will not screw players here once these gamblers start trusting placing their bets.
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January 08, 2021, 11:47:38 PM |
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All of your markets are very +EV for the player: (at least for NBA) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Faizg2X7.png&t=665&c=dXQEuQgxMLu5hA) I don't see how any legitimate sportsbook could launch with such a large oversight (and negative profit potential). I think the site being a scam would be pretty likely with their goal being to get you to make a bet and not paying out if you win. You are right DS, I can make easy money if the odds are like this, imagine, if I bet $1000 on Pistons and Suns, I will never loss my bet, it's either I will make 4% winning or 16% winning, the only risk is if BETRAFT site would not allow me to withdraw after I deposited my money. I think they fixed it now, but first impression last. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtCnUG58.png&t=665&c=5xrFrvFk38XRpA)
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January 09, 2021, 07:45:20 AM |
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is there no signup and login button?, the first time I see a website like this. I just put my BTC address and I try to draw a bet Verona vs Crotone in placing a single, but not reflected, my bet still reload. If you want the thread more attractive with image, buy Copper membershipI do have the same problem where it do loads like forever. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F33hIeO3.gif&t=665&c=FC1oFjcCl0jxNw) So this one give me the impression to be like of Onehash.
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January 09, 2021, 09:28:36 AM |
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What happened OP?
Please answer questions here, is this thread for pure announcement only? Is there a representative here that would make this thread active?
edit : my bad, here you go you answer queries, good to see that, it means this thread won't be abandon.
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January 09, 2021, 09:46:48 AM |
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It reminds me to directbet, the first crypto sportsbook where players do not need an account to bet on their favorite sports events. I checked for a while and the only accepted payment is bitcoin, isn't it? If it is true, with the current price and transaction fee of bitcoin which can be considered as expensive, I do think that having bitcoin only as payment method can be a disadvantage because regular gambler who usually bet small amount under $50 wont be willing to pay few dollar for every bet they want to place. One question related to the winning payment, will winning amount be subtracted few dollar for the transaction fee or will you pay for the fee to send the winning amount?
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January 09, 2021, 09:58:37 AM |
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is there no signup and login button?, the first time I see a website like this. I just put my BTC address and I try to draw a bet Verona vs Crotone in placing a single, but not reflected, my bet still reload. If you want the thread more attractive with image, buy Copper membershipHelo @DroomieChikitoThere is no signup or register in BETRAFT, thanks for providing Copper membership, we will acquire it. Hello @stomachgrowlsYes, our platform is similar to OneHash, but in OneHash you need to have an account, we don't need it. (We also improved the bet placing hanging issue that you experienced.) Setting up a platform without registration and login? And then you think you can get customers? sorry but you really have to work with a login. Customers need security and their own personal account.
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January 09, 2021, 10:06:27 AM |
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Does anyone here already tried placing bet and withdrawing from the website? It looks like there were some complaints already about it. By the way I've seen this on your terms and condition: These terms and conditions are governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of Costa Rica and you irrevocably submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts in that State or location. Does this means you have license from Costa Rica?
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January 09, 2021, 10:15:06 AM |
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Does anyone here already tried placing bet and withdrawing from the website? It looks like there were some complaints already about it. By the way I've seen this on your terms and condition: These terms and conditions are governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of Costa Rica and you irrevocably submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts in that State or location. Does this means you have license from Costa Rica? looks like they really have costa rica license. honestly i don't trust that kind of license, they are new and it's normal to have doubts about them i think the op should ask all of the question and i think i should wait for some time before playing on this website, let's see what will happened after some time.
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