Covid-19, Lockdown and repercussions

[MUHAMMAD NUR AMANAH]

In my country a curfew for the merchants alone has become what all the commotion in the lock down will surely result in a great commotion as the economic wheel will stop people 'people will rebel and not address the pandemic problem will only make matters worse because we have to continue living this life The government to lock down does not happen if anything happens I assure you that the country that does lock down is bound to get more chaotic especially in the economy and will not close the doors to other areas I hope it will never happen

[Twentyonepaylots]

In the Philippines, aside from the known consequences of the COVID-19 pandemic and the lockdown that ensued after such as economic losses, psychological problems, a surprising problem also arose which is the sudden spike in the percentage of teenage pregnancy. This could further disrupt the otherwise recovering economy of the said country. This among the possible problems the education, and the health sector of the country, as well as the ever-increasing gap between the rich and the poor in the Philippines.

In my country a curfew for the merchants alone has become what all the commotion in the lockdown will surely result in a great commotion as the economic wheel will stop people 'people will rebel and not address the pandemic problem will only make matters worse because we have to continue living this life The government to lockdown does not happen if anything happens I assure you that the country that does lockdown is bound to get more chaotic especially in the economy and will not close the doors to other areas I hope it will never happen

It's more of a problem with the people and the government really. On one side, stricter lockdowns must be imposed by the government to ensure that the cases are kept in check. on the other, the citizens are obliged to be responsible for following lockdown and contingency protocols the country in question imposed. Should one side of the scale be tipped over, problems will ensue.

[bryant.coleman]

The real question is whether people actually need vaccination because the virus is now almost over barring a few countries where still the virus spread is significant and concerning. I don't understand why they are vaccinating people though because it's just a wastage of money to vaccinate for the virus which is now near its end and vaccines have shown some poor side effects so why even risk injecting the vaccine when you can take minor precautions and within a few months things will be back to normal.

LOL.. do you really think that vaccinating people is just wasting money? I don't think so. The pandemic is not contained in any of the nations (perhaps with the exception of isolated island nations such as New Zealand). So far 2.64 million have died from COVID 19 (the actual death toll may be much higher) and more than 100 million have got infected. So what do you prefer?  A few million more deaths, or spending $35 billion to vaccinate everyone in this world? The United States spent $2 trillion for invading Iraq. Compared to that $35 billion looks minuscule.

[South Park]

This is happening probably everywhere, where I live I am seeing the same pattern, people are relaxing themselves thinking the vaccines are coming so they do not have to be as careful as before, which does not make a lot of sense if you ask me, as we should take care of ourselves because we do not know if we could get sick before we get the vaccine, the good thing is that the number of cases is still going down which leads me to believe that a great deal of those that could develop severe symptoms already got infected while the rest that are getting the virus now have mild symptoms at worse.

I still do not go out, it has been about 5 months since last time I got out, I did went and see my parents but that's it, aside from that I am not going out, thankfully my job allows me to work at home that is why I was capable of being at home, but I do not get people who wants to get out.

Look, there is a logic behind people who want to open up their shops, sure they will want that and lockdowns and so forth preventing some business not to open up means bankruptcy for them, so I do get the idea, maybe we should allow everyone to open up their business and work, that is understandable and that should be done, however what about other people who go out to those cafes and so forth? Why are they doing this?

What could be the reason anyone would go to a place and sit down and have a dinner there? We are in a deadly virus right now and people are still going into the problem itself.

I am doing the same, it is probably going to take a while until it is my turn to get vaccinated so I do not want to contract the virus before it, however I believe that the people that do that are simply tired of being on their homes all the time, some people are simply not prepared to be socially isolated and want to return to some sense of normality, it seems they have not realized that things are never going to be completely normal again since now the virus is evolving and mutating and it is possible the current vaccines are ineffective against it forcing us to repeat this cycle all over again.

[DrBeer]

To begin with, I wish you all good health, and that Covid bypasses you and your families!
I am very interested in the view from the people of India - a large country, a large population, a high incidence rate of eight, but the production of a vaccine has been established and there is, it seems to me, a systemic vaccination program. What can you say ? Is the vaccination program working, are there massive problems after vaccination, is there a noticeable / measurable effect from the current vaccine?

[justdimin]

The response measures taken within my region have now eased, things are a little better now. Retail shops have re-opened and curfew has been changed from 6 p.m to 9 p.m.

That's good to hear especially after I read the OP and was feeling really bad about you. Different countries have different lockdowns and restrictions applied and hopefully, things are good in Greece again very soon. In my country there isn't much of a threat or anything like that now but still, there are certain restrictions.

Nationwide, things have taken a turn for the worse, surpassing 2.000 cases yesterday, and this number is expected to rise in the very near future.

Yes, there were some news about new traces but thankfully it looks all under control in most countries including mine, fingers crossed for Greece

The biggest repercussion I feel I faced was last year mid when I was unable to visit my family despite my father being ill but because of lockdown and no travel allowed between some cities, I was forced to just talk with them on call and things eventually settled down but it was a tough and depressing time for me.

[nightxglow]

Well my country never experienced lock down, and the case is just getting higher and higher each time. It's like the worst scenario already, and many people are losing their optimism that this pandemic will end, and they're not even sure they will be able to survive with this kind of financial condition. I don't blame them though, the condition is really bad, many people are losing their jobs, it's hard to earn money, and we're not sure when we'll be getting better, even with the vaccine.
tbh, i don't know how to cope up with this kind of situation, i think we're just struggling to be alive, making money even if then the virus infection might not be able to stop thoroughly. But waiting for it to died down will just kill the poor people. I too actually losing faith that this economic condition of my country will get better. At least not in the next years.

[carlfebz2]

Well my country never experienced lock down, and the case is just getting higher and higher each time. It's like the worst scenario already, and many people are losing their optimism that this pandemic will end, and they're not even sure they will be able to survive with this kind of financial condition. I don't blame them though, the condition is really bad, many people are losing their jobs, it's hard to earn money, and we're not sure when we'll be getting better, even with the vaccine.
tbh, i don't know how to cope up with this kind of situation, i think we're just struggling to be alive, making money even if then the virus infection might not be able to stop thoroughly. But waiting for it to died down will just kill the poor people. I too actually losing faith that this economic condition of my country will get better. At least not in the next years.

Dont lose hope because there would be always a rainbow after a rain, even if it seems too impossible for this situation to be resolved out but doesnt mean that we would really be experiencing like this forever.I have really seen some countries or places globally havent been set out some lock down which is really that risky on spreading the virus even way more faster compared
to those who had set out lock downs.

So far basing on the current condition on my country where everything was allow to do all things but still wearing off those mask and face shield which is already be considered as part of the new
normal of living.

Lots had been affected this is why we shouldnt really make ourselves to have that weakening emotion but rather pursue for us to live in spite of the situation.

[Ultegra134]

The real question is whether people actually need vaccination because the virus is now almost over barring a few countries where still the virus spread is significant and concerning. I don't understand why they are vaccinating people though because it's just a wastage of money to vaccinate for the virus which is now near its end and vaccines have shown some poor side effects so why even risk injecting the vaccine when you can take minor precautions and within a few months things will be back to normal.

LOL.. do you really think that vaccinating people is just wasting money? I don't think so. The pandemic is not contained in any of the nations (perhaps with the exception of isolated island nations such as New Zealand). So far 2.64 million have died from COVID 19 (the actual death toll may be much higher) and more than 100 million have got infected. So what do you prefer?  A few million more deaths, or spending $35 billion to vaccinate everyone in this world? The United States spent $2 trillion for invading Iraq. Compared to that $35 billion looks minuscule.

Vaccination is definitely not a waste of resources, unfortunately though, the vaccination rate is pretty low, with only a few exceptions. Israel's case is fascinating though, it has already vaccinated at least 40% of its population and has already noticed great results, fewer cases, deaths and less severe incidents.

It's also slowly reopening its economy, with the vaccination program running, it won't take long to achieve a decent percentage of immunity.

https://www.dw.com/en/israel-reopens-economy-after-covid-vaccine-success/a-56642980

[AndySt]

I believed that our country is ranked last (or near last) within Asian countries that have a good plan with fighting this virus. Its juts sad to see that our government still continue to say that we have successfully mitigated the virus but looking at the number of active cases, nobody can even say if its even called "success"

The data can tell the real picture, they cannot deceive people into thinking they are in total control, I'm glad that the vaccination is now rolling, but people are relaxing because the government is not very strict anymore compare to the first three months when they announced that there will be a quarantine, the people are thinking because the vaccine is already here, there will be herd immunity but this will take time and vaccine that is not coming still limited in supply.

I think that it is possible to speak about the real picture in such matters only approximately and never precisely, because the current level of development of medical technology and the health care system does not allow this. No matter how selfish and cynical it may sound, any government will try to talk about an optimistic vision of the situation, because these are the rules of the game and the government will focus more on successful examples than on unsuccessful ones in order to prove its worth to citizens.

[Sithara007]

Vaccination is definitely not a waste of resources, unfortunately though, the vaccination rate is pretty low, with only a few exceptions. Israel's case is fascinating though, it has already vaccinated at least 40% of its population and has already noticed great results, fewer cases, deaths and less severe incidents.

It's also slowly reopening its economy, with the vaccination program running, it won't take long to achieve a decent percentage of immunity.

https://www.dw.com/en/israel-reopens-economy-after-covid-vaccine-success/a-56642980

It is not just Israel which has managed to reduce the number of deaths by vaccinating the population. Among the larger countries, the United Kingdom is the best example. They have already vaccinated around one-third of the population, and this has seen the daily number of deaths falling by more than 99%. The United States has also vaccinated close to one-third of its population, and the deaths there have fallen (although not as much as the case in UK).

[Ultegra134]

Vaccination is definitely not a waste of resources, unfortunately though, the vaccination rate is pretty low, with only a few exceptions. Israel's case is fascinating though, it has already vaccinated at least 40% of its population and has already noticed great results, fewer cases, deaths and less severe incidents.

It's also slowly reopening its economy, with the vaccination program running, it won't take long to achieve a decent percentage of immunity.

https://www.dw.com/en/israel-reopens-economy-after-covid-vaccine-success/a-56642980

It is not just Israel which has managed to reduce the number of deaths by vaccinating the population. Among the larger countries, the United Kingdom is the best example. They have already vaccinated around one-third of the population, and this has seen the daily number of deaths falling by more than 99%. The United States has also vaccinated close to one-third of its population, and the deaths there have fallen (although not as much as the case in UK).

That is also correct, the United Kingdom had already signed contracts with Pfizer way before the European Union did. As a result, the first batches were distributed in the UK and conducted a large amount of vaccinations. If I've read correctly, the deal was made 3 months before the EU did, that's why we're now facing shortage issues.

[jaysabi]

Yes, vaccines are necessary. The danger that is the longer it circulates in the population, the more risk there is that it mutates and becomes more deadly. Therapeutic medicines aren't protection from a virus, this requires real science and effective vaccines. We've already lost far more people than was necessary because people haven't taken it seriously.

That is the problem when people politicize everything. In most of the countries, the political parties used the pandemic to shore up support (possibly at the cost of thousands of lives). Take the case of the United States. The two main political parties took diametrically opposite approaches towards restrictions. The republicans refused to wear masks and conform to social distancing, while the Democrats went too far by shutting down businesses. During this diffiuclt time, unity in administration was needed. But that never happened.

There was only one party in the United States that politicized the pandemic.  Republicans turned it into a "muh freedoms" rebellion and the talking heads on fox news actively agitated people into blinding anger over commonsense measures meant to curb the spread of the virus. Even the limited shutdowns were effective in controlling the spread of the virus, so we know that more effective shutdowns would have curtailed the spread even more.  The problem was republicans obstructed every attempt to have a cohesive shutdown and attempts to compensate people the required amount to have an effective shutdown, forcing people to resist the shutdowns out of economic necessity.  Unity was needed, but that's a one-way street where republicans are solely at fault.  There was nothing the democrats could unite with republicans over because the only way to stop the virus from spreading is for uninfected people to stay away from affected people and the republican position was actively to undermine that.

[fullhdpixel]

To begin with, I wish you all good health, and that Covid bypasses you and your families!

Thank you, hope you are well and healthy physically and mentally.

I am very interested in the view from the people of India - a large country, a large population, a high incidence rate of eight, but the production of a vaccine has been established and there is, it seems to me, a systemic vaccination program. What can you say ? Is the vaccination program working, are there massive problems after vaccination, is there a noticeable / measurable effect from the current vaccine?

The problem with some Asian countries, with due respect, is the high population and hence the density is high which aids viruses like covid-19 even more because they are spread through contact and respiratory droplets from one another.

Then, there is politics which plays an important but sometimes ghastly impact on the decision making during such times. Most of the politicians are under educated and don't even know how to respond to such a big pandemic. Now that they have the vaccine, I read somewhere that there is fear among citizens regarding the legitimacy of the vaccine and some rumors about the side effects.

[Sithara007]

To begin with, I wish you all good health, and that Covid bypasses you and your families!
I am very interested in the view from the people of India - a large country, a large population, a high incidence rate of eight, but the production of a vaccine has been established and there is, it seems to me, a systemic vaccination program. What can you say ? Is the vaccination program working, are there massive problems after vaccination, is there a noticeable / measurable effect from the current vaccine?

Being a resident of India, I can assure you that the vaccination program is proceeding very smoothly here. Right now, there are around 2 million vaccinations done per day, and the steps are being taken to increase this to a level of 5 million doses per day in the coming months. India is using two vaccines - CoviShield from Oxford/AstraZeneca and CoVaxin from Bharat Biotech, with efficacy of 62% and 81% respectively. The impact is not visible yet, as very few people have been administered with two doses of the vaccine.

[tygeade]

Ours moved to semi-open type of system, I mean it is not open 24/7 places are still closed at certain times and not by choice, it is the regulations and there is still lockdowns on nights and a bit of evenings as well, rest is open during work hours, so people do go to work and technically speaking they could go to places as well if they are not working, or if they can get permission from work, that is why I can say that we are semi-open even if not full back to what it was.

Eventually we will get there, eventually these vaccinations will be done constantly and we are going to see that people will not need masks, people will not fear being close, those days will come, both biologically we will be stronger against this, and also science will catch up and make it a smaller thing as well, I am sure that those days will come eventually, but until those days we need to be a bit more careful about going out, that is not economical or political, it is medical situation.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Every one is about to get royally screwed. There is a very dangerous mutation spreading in Brazil, which is much more contagious and deadly. It was first discovered in the Amazonian city of Manaus (called as mutation P1 by medics). This mutation infects people who were infected previously with COVID 19 and has proved to be deadly even for healthy people in their 30s and 40s. As of now, it is limited to Brazil, but it is just a matter of time before the mutated version spreads to the other countries.

[Ultegra134]

To begin with, I wish you all good health, and that Covid bypasses you and your families!
I am very interested in the view from the people of India - a large country, a large population, a high incidence rate of eight, but the production of a vaccine has been established and there is, it seems to me, a systemic vaccination program. What can you say ? Is the vaccination program working, are there massive problems after vaccination, is there a noticeable / measurable effect from the current vaccine?

Being a resident of India, I can assure you that the vaccination program is proceeding very smoothly here. Right now, there are around 2 million vaccinations done per day, and the steps are being taken to increase this to a level of 5 million doses per day in the coming months. India is using two vaccines - CoviShield from Oxford/AstraZeneca and CoVaxin from Bharat Biotech, with efficacy of 62% and 81% respectively. The impact is not visible yet, as very few people have been administered with two doses of the vaccine.

Those are large numbers, it's promising to hear that vaccinations are conducted smoothly. Unfortunately, at least a 70% of the population needs to be vaccinated in order to achieve immunity, thus, it will take time for the effects to show. I wouldn't worry though, if the vaccination program is running as you're mentioning, it will be achieved in the few next months.

Unlike here, they are progressing way too slowly, only a 7% of the population to be exact. If it continues like that, it would take years to vaccinate the majority of the population.

[Sithara007]

Those are large numbers, it's promising to hear that vaccinations are conducted smoothly. Unfortunately, at least a 70% of the population needs to be vaccinated in order to achieve immunity, thus, it will take time for the effects to show. I wouldn't worry though, if the vaccination program is running as you're mentioning, it will be achieved in the few next months.

Unlike here, they are progressing way too slowly, only a 7% of the population to be exact. If it continues like that, it would take years to vaccinate the majority of the population.

India is having a population of 1400 million, and even if the vaccination rate is stepped up to 5 million doses per day, it will take another one and half years to vaccinate everyone (given that everyone needs two doses). So far around 30 million people have been vaccinated. In absolute numbers, it may sound huge. But in terms of percentage of the population, it is very minuscule at around 2%. And out of 2%, only a very few have received the second dose.

[Noctis Connor]

Those are large numbers, it's promising to hear that vaccinations are conducted smoothly. Unfortunately, at least a 70% of the population needs to be vaccinated in order to achieve immunity, thus, it will take time for the effects to show. I wouldn't worry though, if the vaccination program is running as you're mentioning, it will be achieved in the few next months.

Unlike here, they are progressing way too slowly, only a 7% of the population to be exact. If it continues like that, it would take years to vaccinate the majority of the population.

India is having a population of 1400 million, and even if the vaccination rate is stepped up to 5 million doses per day, it will take another one and half years to vaccinate everyone (given that everyone needs two doses). So far around 30 million people have been vaccinated. In absolute numbers, it may sound huge. But in terms of percentage of the population, it is very minuscule at around 2%. And out of 2%, only a very few have received the second dose.

It's true however if those city mayors will cooperate to vaccinated those people easily let's say per  city has population of 100 thousand people and if they can easily vaccinated 10 thousand people aday it's not impossible to vaccinated all people in india because they're so much affected by this pandemic if those government want's really to control everything they had choice to do so make a good plan lock down the cities and start making a good plan on how they can easily vaccinated those millions of people like in my country.